---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/17/11: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:33 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bill Watson) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bob Leffler) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bill Watson) 4. 07:24 AM - Travel insurance (John Gonzalez) 5. 07:39 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Dj Merrill) 6. 07:43 AM - Re: Travel insurance (Carl Froehlich) 7. 07:44 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ) 8. 07:52 AM - Re: Travel insurance (Dave Saylor) 9. 07:56 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Space Cadet) 10. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Kelly McMullen) 11. 08:20 AM - ADHARS Location (Kelly McMullen) 12. 08:40 AM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (rwwende) 13. 08:54 AM - Re: ADHARS Location (Carl Froehlich) 14. 08:56 AM - Re: Travel insurance (Marcus Cooper) 15. 09:12 AM - Re: Travel insurance (AirMike) 16. 09:14 AM - Re: Sold on whiskers (AirMike) 17. 09:17 AM - Re: Travel insurance (Michael Kraus) 18. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson) 19. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson) 20. 11:29 AM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Gordon Anderson) 21. 12:02 PM - Re: Quick Build fuselage and what I learned, so far! (dhmoose) 22. 12:16 PM - Re: ADHARS Location (Michael Kraus) 23. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Steve Stella) 24. 12:51 PM - Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (woxofswa) 25. 01:23 PM - Expression Of Frustration (Dave Fritzsche (Building)) 26. 01:41 PM - Re: ADHARS Location (Kelly McMullen) 27. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Miller John) 28. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (Bill Watson) 29. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson) 30. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson) 31. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Kelly McMullen) 32. 05:12 PM - Re: Sold on whiskers (Nick Leonard) 33. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Tim Olson) 34. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors (John Gonzalez) 35. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Sean Stephens) 36. 07:32 PM - Fw: ADHARS Location (Michael Kraus) 37. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: Sold on whiskers (Kelly McMullen) 38. 08:44 PM - Re: ADHARS Location (Rick Lark) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:17 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher, Schempp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider. I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks good.... once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors closed again after applying some aesthetically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing. Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session with the itching powder" Watson On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: > Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and > he will be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit > I made by spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit > is so good that all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint > will chip because there is no room for it. > > I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top > meet and leave it unpainted. > > I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell if > I will let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: Bob Leffler Bill, I would be interested in seeing photos of your door trim. Are they on your k itlog site? I'm in the process of determining how to finish my sorts. Thanks Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Bill Watson wrote: > It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher, Schem pp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider. > > I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks good.... once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors closed again after applying some aesth etically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing. > > Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session with th e itching powder" Watson > > > On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: >> >> Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter and he w ill be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the tight fit I made by spending those month making the door fit PERFECTLY. The fit is so good that all the pro painters are worried the primer and paint will chip because the re is no room for it. >> >> I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin top me et and leave it unpainted. >> >> I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell if I w ill let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits equally well. >> >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:52 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors I don't think I have a lot out there, but probably have quite a few pics. I'm willing to share but it may be tough until next week. In particular, if you have a green top, I think I can share quite a bit. The final result is looking good but every aspect has been done several times over. I'll try to get something together or give me a call anytime. Bill "shop cleaned, FG tools out, ready to rumble one more time" Watson 919-824-4179 On 6/17/2011 7:56 AM, Bob Leffler wrote: > Bill, > > I would be interested in seeing photos of your door trim. Are they on > your kitlog site? I'm in the process of determining how to finish my > sorts. > > Thanks > > Bob > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Bill Watson > wrote: > >> It does give you great appreciation for the fine work of Schleicher, >> Schempp-Hirth, and especially Rolladen-Schneider. >> >> I definitely did not strive for sailplane standards but it looks >> good.... once I get the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ doors closed again after >> applying some aesthetically pleasing interior trim to the bloody thing. >> >> Bill "girded up in long pants and long sleeves for another session >> with the itching powder" Watson >> >> >> On 6/17/2011 12:40 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: >>> Character...Next week I will be leaving my plane with the painter >>> and he will be trying to convince me to allow him to open up the >>> tight fit I made by spending those month making the door fit >>> PERFECTLY. The fit is so good that all the pro painters are worried >>> the primer and paint will chip because there is no room for it. >>> >>> I argue that they should mask a 1/8" line where the door and cabin >>> top meet and leave it unpainted. >>> >>> I build it to the standards of a sailplane, minimal drag...to hell >>> if I will let them ruin my work. The return on the inside fits >>> equally well. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> >> * >> >> >> * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:40 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RV10-List: Travel insurance As stated=2C next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop. It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph. Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass=2C I covered them in 5m il clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every fou r inches in strips=2C quite an artistic look. Question=2C do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an airc raft insurer??? The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel=2C t he wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied for content insurance. JOhn ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: Dj Merrill On 06/16/2011 11:29 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > The doors build character. > ...and here I thought we were talking about a bunch of characters building doors... *wink* -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/ Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:14 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Travel insurance I believe this is best covered under a "Builder's Insurance" policy. Nation Air is the company I use. Carl From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 10:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: Travel insurance As stated, next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop. It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph. Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass, I covered them in 5mil clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every four inches in strips, quite an artistic look. Question, do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an aircraft insurer??? The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel, the wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied for content insurance. JOhn ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:58 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: "George, Neal Capt 505 TRS/DOJ" Bill - Since you live in the middle of NASCAR country, you could just forego the doors and install webbing exit nets... neal -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 7:53 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors I don't think I have a lot out there, but probably have quite a few pics. I'm willing to share but it may be tough until next week. In particular, if you have a green top, I think I can share quite a bit. The final result is looking good but every aspect has been done several times over. I'll try to get something together or give me a call anytime. Bill "shop cleaned, FG tools out, ready to rumble one more time" Watson 919-824-4179 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:50 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Travel insurance Years ago we repaired a plane that was hit while on a trailer. I think we dealt with an aircraft insurer, not car insurance. I agree, builder insurance is the way to go. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:20 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: > As stated, next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop. > It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph. > Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass, I covered them in 5mil > clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every four > inches in strips,quite an artistic look. > Question, do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an > aircraft insurer??? > The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel, the > wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied for > content insurance. > JOhn > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:31 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: "Space Cadet" Is it just the flimsiness of the gray Vans seal that people object to? That's what bothered me, so I went with a AS-acquired seal that was the same dimensions as Vans, but was more of a foam-rubber-like material, in black. Think it was called luggage door seal. Very solid and keeps its shape well. Takes more effort to close, but not unreasonable. Seems like it will hold up well too. It kept the modifications to the door and frame to a minimum. Course, I'm not flying yet, so YMMV. Dwight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343292#343292 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: Kelly McMullen Dwight, Do you have a link to AS item number? On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Space Cadet wrote: > > Is it just the flimsiness of the gray Vans seal that people object to? > That's what bothered me, so I went with a AS-acquired seal that was the > same dimensions as Vans, but was more of a foam-rubber-like material, in > black. Think it was called luggage door seal. Very solid and keeps its > shape well. Takes more effort to close, but not unreasonable. Seems like > it will hold up well too. It kept the modifications to the door and frame > to a minimum. > > Course, I'm not flying yet, so YMMV. > > Dwight > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343292#343292 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:28 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: ADHARS Location From: Kelly McMullen Vans sells a kit shelf for ADHARS. It clearly is intended by Vans to be placed alongside the elevator bellcrank behind the battery. I know some (Dynon) ADHARS have incorporated the magnetometer in the same unit, so need a magnetically benign location. Given the steel bolts, etc in the bellcrank, probably not so good a place. IIRC some have built a shelf near the top of fuselage one bulkhead behind the rear of the baggage compartment. I don't remember who's website I saw this on, but would like to copy it. Can someone give me a link to such a fabrication? Kelly 40866 Not sure from day to day what stage I am at...somewhere between fuselage and FWF. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:08 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: "rwwende" After longer than I want to admit, I am at the final stages of fitting the doors! Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisfactory fit by using clear packing tape on the Jams, hair spray as a release agent, then used flox with the west systems and filled the jams with the doors closed. This allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not the jams. Then meticulously hand and until you get the gap you want. No doubt the doors SUCK! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343295#343295 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:47 AM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: ADHARS Location This is what I did. The bottom of the shelf is made from =BC=94 fiberglass fiber core board (out of the scrap bin of a Lancair builder). The hardest part was getting the dimensions of the sides just right so that the shelf was level with the plane axis. Note the copper wire used for the hinge pins instead of steel pins and the ADHARS mounting hardware is non-magnetic stainless steel. The shelf is very ridged. The hinge material makes for easy shelf removal/install. Carl Prepping the fuselage for paint. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: RV10-List: ADHARS Location Vans sells a kit shelf for ADHARS. It clearly is intended by Vans to be placed alongside the elevator bellcrank behind the battery. I know some (Dynon) ADHARS have incorporated the magnetometer in the same unit, so need a magnetically benign location. Given the steel bolts, etc in the bellcrank, probably not so good a place. IIRC some have built a shelf near the top of fuselage one bulkhead behind the rear of the baggage compartment. I don't remember who's website I saw this on, but would like to copy it. Can someone give me a link to such a fabrication? Kelly 40866 Not sure from day to day what stage I am at...somewhere between fuselage and FWF. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:27 AM PST US From: Marcus Cooper Subject: Re: RV10-List: Travel insurance Others have mentioned builder's insurance which I agree, however I got some unsettling news when I asked the question to my insurer Falcon insurance. Turns out they only cover a short drive from the house to the airport. I am quite sure I asked the question before moving it from Fl to MS and then to VA and felt it was covered, turns out it was not! Good thing nothing happened, but I highly recommend not just builders insurance but verifying they will cover the transit you have planned. Marcus On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:20 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: > As stated, next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop. > > It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph. > > Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass, I covered them in 5mil clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every four inches in strips, quite an artistic look. > > Question, do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an aircraft insurer??? > > The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel, the wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied for content insurance. > > JOhn > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:42 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Travel insurance From: "AirMike" I priced non-flying a/c insurance when I was building my plane and I felt that it was too high. As a former insurance agent. I feel that a lot of insurance in the non-mass-market product lines is overpriced due to a lack of good actuarial data. Similar products are sailboats on round-the-world voyages, special event insurance, and earthquake insurance in small markets. It is my feeling that the companies just price the product off the top of their heads with no real feel for the risk. I went naked on insurance till I got my N-number. You can minimize a lot of risks with a few extra safety precautions: Have several fire extinguishers around you build site or hanger. Use lots of people to help you move the plane and explain what you are doing before you do it making sure that everyone understand what is going to happen. Finally move the plane during low traffic times (I did mine early Sat. morning). For a long haul 5-7AM in the Summer is a good low traffic time, or 7-9 in the evening. You cannot eliminate risk, but you can do a lot to minimize it. -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343299#343299 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:17 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers From: "AirMike" Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted? -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343300#343300 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Travel insurance From: Michael Kraus I'd put the wings on it, fly it for awhile, fix all the squaks, and then fly it to the painters!! Then if you have something you want to change or add (like more cowl exit lo uvers to cool the engine) you won't mess up your pretty paint job! Just something to think about.... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:20 AM, John Gonzalez wrote: > As stated, next Friday the plane leaves for the paint shop. > > It is a 218 mile trip up the 101 freeway at say 55mph. > > Special precautions where taken with the plexiglass, I covered them in 5mi l clear vinyl and taped it with plumber's tape to the plexiglass every four i nches in strips, quite an artistic look. > > Question, do I call my auto insurance about coverage or do I call an aircr aft insurer??? > > The fuselage will be towed on a flat bed trailer behing my F250 diesel, th e wings and other structures will be in a Penski moving Van and I applied fo r content insurance. > > JOhn > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers From: Tim Olson Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for 6.10/ FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid. Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5. On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "AirMike" wrote: > > Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted? > > -------- > See you OSH '11 > Q/B - flying 1 yr+ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343300#343300 > > > > > > > > >
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers From: Tim Olson Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade. Tim On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for 6.1 0/FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid. > Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5. > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "AirMike" wrote: > >> >> Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted? >> >> -------- >> See you OSH '11 >> Q/B - flying 1 yr+ >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343300#343300 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > 


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________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:27 AM PST US From: "Gordon Anderson" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers Tim, What's with the spalled paint in front of the trim tab cable attachments? Is there a problem with cracking or flexing? Hoping you'll chip in to the discussion about door seals and tell us that the Van's one is just fine and super easy to install. Irrational optimism I know ......... And hoping this makes you feel any better, think about 2.50 Swiss francs/litre (=8.7 $/FG) next time you get gas as cheap as 6.10 ;-) Enjoy the rest of your trip! Gordon #41015 QB wing & fuse inventory, emp fairings and whiskers Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: 17 June 2011 19:20 Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade. Tim ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:24 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Quick Build fuselage and what I learned, so far! From: "dhmoose" Bill, I couldn't agree more. I found the exact same issues on my build and have addressed each of them the same as you did (although I did overlook the scat tube support measurements). There were a few other issues to keep a close eye on and the entire process confirmed the need to trust but double check everything. Thanks for the post. I think it'll help others who are confused about how to go about the QB dis....I mean....assembly ; -David -------- David Halmos RV-10 builder #41059 Empennage complete! QB fuselage under construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343324#343324 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADHARS Location From: Michael Kraus ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:27 PM PST US From: "Steve Stella" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers Tim, Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS mount? Steven Stella RV 10 Fuselage #40654 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for 6.10/FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid. Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:37 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors From: "woxofswa" I've been building up my door/jam fittings with leftover epoxy/superfil/glaze from the buildup of the windshield fillet. I use two mating layers of peel ply to keep from sticking and leave a gap for paint etc. I just goop up a section at a time and close the door to let them mate to each other. -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343331#343331 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:18 PM PST US From: "Dave Fritzsche (Building)" Subject: RV10-List: Expression Of Frustration The only bad thing about expressing your frustration in the subject line (e.g. F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@) is that you run the risk of the message being filtered out as spam. My Thunderbird program filter places it in my junk folder which I scan from time to time but could easily miss a RV-10 message. Dave -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 Puyallup, WA Wings ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADHARS Location From: Kelly McMullen Thank you. That is very helpful for ideas. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > This is what I did. The bottom of the shelf is made from =BC=94 fibergla ss > fiber core board (out of the scrap bin of a Lancair builder). The hardes t > part was getting the dimensions of the sides just right so that the shelf > was level with the plane axis. Note the copper wire used for the hinge p ins > instead of steel pins and the ADHARS mounting hardware is non-magnetic > stainless steel. The shelf is very ridged. The hinge material makes for > easy shelf removal/install.**** > > ** ** > > Carl**** > > Prepping the fuselage for paint.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Kelly McMullen > *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2011 11:18 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: ADHARS Location**** > > ** ** > > Vans sells a kit shelf for ADHARS. It clearly is intended by Vans to be > placed alongside the elevator bellcrank behind the battery. I know some > (Dynon) ADHARS have incorporated the magnetometer in the same unit, so ne ed > a magnetically benign location. Given the steel bolts, etc in the bellcra nk, > probably not so good a place. > IIRC some have built a shelf near the top of fuselage one bulkhead behin d > the rear of the baggage compartment. I don't remember who's website I saw > this on, but would like to copy it. Can someone give me a link to such a > fabrication? > Kelly > 40866 > Not sure from day to day what stage I am at...somewhere between fuselage > and FWF.**** > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:47 PM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers Same place I have mine mounted, and they work just great there. grumpy N184JM do not archive On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade. > Tim > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > >> Taken 1 minute ago in coldwater Michigan where I was skyway robbed for 6.10/FG. (FG = friggin gallon). Highest price I ever paid. >> Average for the trip is in the low 5's with a few under 5. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:11 PM, "AirMike" wrote: >> >>> >>> Tim ......Do you have a pic of where you whiskers are mounted? >>> >>> -------- >>> See you OSH '11 >>> Q/B - flying 1 yr+ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343300#343300 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> 

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________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:10 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors That's definitely the way to get the gap right. I think I did that 2 years ago....but I'm still tweaking other aspect of the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors. I hope YMMV. Bill "finished the grind and remounting the doors for the nth time" Watson On 6/17/2011 11:37 AM, rwwende wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rwwende" > > After longer than I want to admit, I am at the final stages of fitting the doors! Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisfactory fit by using clear packing tape on the Jams, hair spray as a release agent, then used flox with the west systems and filled the jams with the doors closed. This allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not the jams. Then meticulously hand and until you get the gap you want. No doubt the doors SUCK! > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:33 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers Mine is just the same ol' standard one. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 6/17/2011 2:17 PM, Steve Stella wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Steve Stella" > > Tim, > Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS > mount? > > Steven Stella > RV 10 Fuselage > #40654 > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:34 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers On that paint, we tried to paint those tabs as light as possible, and when you combined the too-thin paint job with a crappy job of prep on that area, that's what you get. That and around the base of the cowl are my worst areas. As far as door seals go, I was happy with Van's seal. It's a nice grey silicone that matches the plane, it went on fine, and it's held up well except for where I punctured it near the front door pin holes. And even then, I siliconed it back together and it's fine. It seals real well. Yes, it's a very tight fit, and I'm sure someone has done it better, but I've been happy enough that I would probably do it all over again the same way. I prefer the seal on the door to the seal on the airframe, too...which isn't a universal preference. Got home from the trip just fine. Now no big trips for a while again, but the next one I think will have to be back to the Bahamas. When flying along at 8,500' today, the Bahamas was where my mind was...that is the best place to fly that I've been and I can't wait to go back. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 6/17/2011 1:21 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Gordon Anderson" > > Tim, > > What's with the spalled paint in front of the trim tab cable attachments? > Is there a problem with cracking or flexing? > > Hoping you'll chip in to the discussion about door seals and tell us that > the Van's one is just fine and super easy to install. Irrational optimism I > know ......... > > And hoping this makes you feel any better, think about 2.50 Swiss > francs/litre (=8.7 $/FG) next time you get gas as cheap as 6.10 ;-) > > Enjoy the rest of your trip! > > Gordon > #41015 QB wing& fuse inventory, emp fairings and whiskers > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: 17 June 2011 19:20 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers > > Waiting on my sandwhich so took another photo. Nice day in the shade. > Tim > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:53 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers You weren't worried about all the extra drag of having that antenna fully exposed? Probably costs you 0.005kts. ;-)) On 6/17/2011 3:55 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > Mine is just the same ol' standard one. > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 6/17/2011 2:17 PM, Steve Stella wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Steve >> Stella" >> >> Tim, >> Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS >> mount? >> >> Steven Stella >> RV 10 Fuselage >> #40654 >> > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:12 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers From: "Nick Leonard" Sean, You had asked about the broadband splitter. I was able to get a picture of it yesterday. I believe that this is who makes them for Garmin. They are very small, especially for the amount of money that they get for splitters. I didn't look up a source for these but there should be enough info in the picture to find them. I got it from my local avionics shop (Airborne Electronics, Sacramento). Sorry, I don't have the Garmin part number equivelent but I can get it for you, if necessary. This broadband splitter is only needed in front of the SL30 or other units that have the internal splitter for the glide slope and nav signals. You can come off the other side of this unit with a standard splitter for going to the two inputs for the 430W. I hope this helps. -------- Nick Leonard RV-10 (40015) Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343355#343355 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/broadband_splitter_144.jpg ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:16 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers Maybe I should build a nice fairing for it. :) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 6/17/2011 6:20 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > > You weren't worried about all the extra drag of having that antenna > fully exposed? Probably costs you 0.005kts. ;-)) > > > On 6/17/2011 3:55 PM, Tim Olson wrote: >> >> Mine is just the same ol' standard one. >> >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD >> do not archive >> >> >> On 6/17/2011 2:17 PM, Steve Stella wrote: >>> >>> Tim, >>> Is there a specific model # for belly mount or is it the same as the VS >>> mount? >>> >>> Steven Stella >>> RV 10 Fuselage >>> #40654 >>> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:58 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors There is a reason I burried the tops of the screws on the cabin top and the doors...the only way my doors are coming off is if I forget to latch them and they go off into the wild blue yonder. Once you get the fit perfect=2C it might be suicide to remove them for paii nting=2C that is unless you really like the process of getting the fit perf ect all over again. Me...not! > Date: Fri=2C 17 Jun 2011 18:13:05 -0400 > From: Mauledriver@nc.rr.com > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ Doors > > > That's definitely the way to get the gap right. I think I did that 2 > years ago....but I'm still tweaking other aspect of the F!!#@#$@#$#%$#@ > Doors. > > I hope YMMV. > > Bill "finished the grind and remounting the doors for the nth time" Watso n > > On 6/17/2011 11:37 AM=2C rwwende wrote: > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rwwende" > > > > After longer than I want to admit=2C I am at the final stages of fittin g the doors! Just painted the interior last night. I finally got a satisf actory fit by using clear packing tape on the Jams=2C hair spray as a relea se agent=2C then used flox with the west systems and filled the jams with t he doors closed. This allows the resin to stick to the door edge and not t he jams. Then meticulously hand and until you get the gap you want. No do ubt the doors SUCK! > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers From: Sean Stephens Yep, that's the exact Garmin part I linked to previously. Thanks Nick!! -Sean On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 PM, "Nick Leonard" wrote: > > Sean, > > You had asked about the broadband splitter. I was able to get a picture of it yesterday. I believe that this is who makes them for Garmin. They are very small, especially for the amount of money that they get for splitters. I didn't look up a source for these but there should be enough info in the picture to find them. I got it from my local avionics shop (Airborne Electronics, Sacramento). Sorry, I don't have the Garmin part number equivelent but I can get it for you, if necessary. > > This broadband splitter is only needed in front of the SL30 or other units that have the internal splitter for the glide slope and nav signals. You can come off the other side of this unit with a standard splitter for going to the two inputs for the 430W. I hope this helps. > > -------- > Nick Leonard > RV-10 (40015) Finish > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343355#343355 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/broadband_splitter_144.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:27 PM PST US Subject: Fwd: RV10-List: ADHARS Location From: Michael Kraus ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sold on whiskers From: Kelly McMullen You might note that if you go to the website shown on the unit that they sell for about $45 from the manufacturer. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > Yep, that's the exact Garmin part I linked to previously. > > Thanks Nick!! > > -Sean > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 8:07 PM, "Nick Leonard" wrote: > > > > > Sean, > > > > You had asked about the broadband splitter. I was able to get a picture > of it yesterday. I believe that this is who makes them for Garmin. They > are very small, especially for the amount of money that they get for > splitters. I didn't look up a source for these but there should be enough > info in the picture to find them. I got it from my local avionics shop > (Airborne Electronics, Sacramento). Sorry, I don't have the Garmin part > number equivelent but I can get it for you, if necessary. > > > > This broadband splitter is only needed in front of the SL30 or other > units that have the internal splitter for the glide slope and nav signals. > You can come off the other side of this unit with a standard splitter for > going to the two inputs for the 430W. I hope this helps. > > > > -------- > > Nick Leonard > > RV-10 (40015) Finish > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=343355#343355 > > > > > > > > > > Attachments: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/broadband_splitter_144.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:32 PM PST US From: Rick Lark Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADHARS Location Kelly, Ivan Kristensens got a real good set of photos on his web site that I intend to use for my build. - Rick #40956 Wings on hold during "Assembly Facility Insulating"-- --- On Fri, 6/17/11, Kelly McMullen wrote: From: Kelly McMullen Subject: RV10-List: ADHARS Location Received: Friday, June 17, 2011, 3:17 PM Vans sells a kit shelf for ADHARS. It clearly is intended by Vans to be pla ced alongside the elevator bellcrank behind the battery. I know some (Dynon ) ADHARS have incorporated the magnetometer in the same unit, so need a mag netically benign location. Given the steel bolts, etc in the bellcrank, pro bably not so good a place. -IIRC some have built a shelf near the top of fuselage one bulkhead behin d the rear of the baggage compartment. I don't remember who's website I saw this on, but would like to copy it.- Can someone give me a link to such a fabrication? 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