---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/29/11: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Fisher House RV-10 (Steve Stella) 2. 03:46 PM - Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener (AirMike) 3. 03:58 PM - Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener (AirMike) 4. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener (Lew Gallagher) 5. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener (Robin Marks) 6. 04:28 PM - Re: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener (Robin Marks) 7. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener (Robin Marks) 8. 06:04 PM - Baffle advice (Bob Leffler) 9. 06:40 PM - Re: Baffle advice (Linn Walters) 10. 07:59 PM - Re: Baffle advice (Kelly McMullen) 11. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener (Lew Gallagher) 12. 08:44 PM - Re: Baffle advice (Robin Marks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:43 AM PST US From: "Steve Stella" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fisher House RV-10 Wow Tim the plane came out great, can't wait to go flying in it. Steve Stella Fuselage #40654 521RV reserved _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:38 PM Subject: RV10-List: Fisher House RV-10 Paint is finally complete! Somewhere during the (long) building process, we decided to give N52KS a little side mission to promote the Fisher House Foundation with the airplane. For those not familiar, the Fisher House Foundation constructs the Fisher Houses, which are a place to stay for family members while a loved one is undergoing treatment at a neighboring military hospital or VA medical center. Paint is by Prestige Aircraft in Swanton, VT. Look for us at Oshkosh, parked with the other Airventure Cup racers. (anyone else racing?) Cheers, Tim Dawson-Townsend N52KS #40025 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:16 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener From: "AirMike" These fasteners are ultra-awesome. I believe that you are correct and that they do come in different offsets. On my oil door, mine there is a slight offset of about 1/8". You need the offset to secure the door to the cowl. You also need to reinforce the outer side of the door to resist the high internal air pressure. -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344464#344464 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener From: "AirMike" pic of inside of oil door -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344465#344465 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pc250015_859.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:29 PM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener Thanks Mike. I think the 1/8" offset would be about right ... but that's not what he's got. Tonight he mentioned that others on the -8 are just using a short piece of hinge as a fastener, and pulling the pin through the firewall (the -8 has a baggage compartment/access door right at that area which makes it easy to pull) -- so no fastener showing at all. I think I can make that idea work. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "AirMike" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener > > These fasteners are ultra-awesome. I believe that you are correct and that > they do come in different offsets. On my oil door, mine there is a slight > offset of about 1/8". You need the offset to secure the door to the cowl. > You also need to reinforce the outer side of the door to resist the high > internal air pressure. > > -------- > See you OSH '11 > Q/B - flying 1 yr+ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:22 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener Mine have an offset too. I purchased a 6 pack on ebay and have used them on 2 planes. [image: http://painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/100_2440.jpg] [image: http://painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/SJ_Cowl/Cowl_Left.jpg] -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener These fasteners are ultra-awesome. I believe that you are correct and that they do come in different offsets. On my oil door, mine there is a slight offset of about 1/8". You need the offset to secure the door to the cowl. You also need to reinforce the outer side of the door to resist the high internal air pressure. -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344464#344464 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:32 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener Note: we crafted our own hidden hinge for both the forward baggage door and oil door. Robin [image: Fwd top skin clean-up 003.jpg] -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener pic of inside of oil door -------- See you OSH '11 Q/B - flying 1 yr+ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344465#344465 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pc250015_859.jpg ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:43 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener Lew, Are you building an 8 now? As an observation I check oil levels often. I would not like to open and close the forward baggage door as many times as I open/close the oil door. Robin Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener Thanks Mike. I think the 1/8" offset would be about right ... but that's not what he's got. Tonight he mentioned that others on the -8 are just using a short piece of hinge as a fastener, and pulling the pin through the firewall (the -8 has a baggage compartment/access door right at that area which makes it easy to pull) -- so no fastener showing at all. I think I can make that idea work. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "AirMike" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener > > These fasteners are ultra-awesome. I believe that you are correct and that > they do come in different offsets. On my oil door, mine there is a slight > offset of about 1/8". You need the offset to secure the door to the cowl. > You also need to reinforce the outer side of the door to resist the high > internal air pressure. > > -------- > See you OSH '11 > Q/B - flying 1 yr+ ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:39 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: Baffle advice I ran into a couple "opportunities" at the hangar this evening that I'm soliciting opinions while I research for solutions. The first issue is that the rear support brace for the baffle and one of the fuel tubes want to occupy the same space. Since the fuel injector fuel lines were installed at Lycoming, I'm not quite sure how to proceed. I'm concerned that if I attempt to bend the fuel line up, I may put a crease in the line. I'm not sure if I should be concerned that with the other five cylinders are all horizontal in the same plane, if this line is elevated to get over this bracket. Another option I thought about was to cut a slot in the bracket and isolate the fuel line with a grommet. I haven't referenced 43.13 yet to see what guidance it may provide. The next issue probably falls in the category of me doing something wrong or not doing the obvious. What's the secret to get this baffle mounted without severely bending it? Any suggestions are appreciated. 25 days and counting.. bob ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:46 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffle advice If it were me, I'd mark the baffle where the tubing is, cut a 1/2 quarter size bite out of the bracket. Clean up the edges and re-install the bracket. I'm not there yet, so don't know if I'll have the same problem. Linn On 6/29/2011 8:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > I ran into a couple "opportunities" at the hangar this evening that > I'm soliciting opinions while I research for solutions. The first > issue is that the rear support brace for the baffle and one of the > fuel tubes want to occupy the same space. Since the fuel injector > fuel lines were installed at Lycoming, I'm not quite sure how to > proceed. I'm concerned that if I attempt to bend the fuel line up, I > may put a crease in the line. I'm not sure if I should be concerned > that with the other five cylinders are all horizontal in the same > plane, if this line is elevated to get over this bracket. Another > option I thought about was to cut a slot in the bracket and isolate > the fuel line with a grommet. I haven't referenced 43.13 yet to see > what guidance it may provide. > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:26 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffle advice Bob, Your best guidance is Lyc SB 342E, page 25, a specific diagram of where the lines are required to be, per AD 2008-14-07 Lycoming Engines (formerly Textron Lycoming Division, AVCO Corporation): Amendment 39-15602. I won't get into the debate as to whether it is a requirement for experimentals. Main concern with those lines is weakening the fitting joints at either end and ensuring they are adequately supported so that they don't work harden from vibration. You can gently bend in the middle, keeping bending forces away from the ends as long as you keep large radius. I wouldn't worry about elevation. The fuel is under 4-10 psi in those lines, generally. I agree with Linn's advice, to first try to remove enough of the baffle support to allow the line to remain in the location Lycoming placed it. Kelly PS, I can email you the SB direct if you need it. On 6/29/2011 5:55 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > I ran into a couple opportunities at the hangar this evening that > Im soliciting opinions while I research for solutions. The first > issue is that the rear support brace for the baffle and one of the > fuel tubes want to occupy the same space. Since the fuel injector fuel > lines were installed at Lycoming, Im not quite sure how to proceed. > Im concerned that if I attempt to bend the fuel line up, I may put a > crease in the line. Im not sure if I should be concerned that with > the other five cylinders are all horizontal in the same plane, if this > line is elevated to get over this bracket. Another option I thought > about was to cut a slot in the bracket and isolate the fuel line with > a grommet. I havent referenced 43.13 yet to see what guidance it may > provide. > > The next issue probably falls in the category of me doing something > wrong or not doing the obvious. Whats the secret to get this baffle > mounted without severely bending it? > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > > 25 days and counting > > bob > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:09 PM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener Hey Robin, My reputation as a whore for building is spreading! I'm still collecting parts for a -10 to hire out to help another pilot built one someday. I certainly don't want to offend anyone, but since my first introduction to building RV's is a -10, I tend to see the two seaters as somehow not a "real" plane ;-) OK, I just ducked in anticipation of the non-10 builders lurking! Basically I'm helping guys that get stuck/intimidated by the fiberglass/primer/paint/finishing stuff or re-doing some aluminum work for them that didn't turn out right. And there are a lot more -8 builders in my area than -10 builders. What spare time! The -8 flyers that use the hinge fastener on the oil door say they open the baggage door every time anyway to check in there, allow for cooling, carry a dipstick rag there, whatever -- I dunno, I'm just repeating what I was told. Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Marks" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:27 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartwell H-5000 oil door fastener > > Lew, > Are you building an 8 now? > As an observation I check oil levels often. I would not like to open and > close the forward baggage door as many times as I open/close the oil door. > > Robin > Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:46 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baffle advice Along with the aforementioned solution is the possibility to add another adel clamp to further stabilize the tube as it bypasses the bracket. 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