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1. 03:14 AM - Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Bob Leffler)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Michael Kraus)
3. 05:11 AM - Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Phillip Perry)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: stick grip (Rene Felker)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: stick grip (David)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (billz)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: stick grip (David Leikam)
8. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Tim Olson)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: stick grip (Carl Froehlich)
10. 10:48 AM - Re: Baffle advice (Robin Marks)
11. 10:49 AM - Re: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Bill Watson)
12. 11:06 AM - Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (tsts4)
13. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Robin Marks)
14. 11:31 AM - I'm putting the wings on and the rivet callouts on 44-10 seem wrong (Bill Watson)
15. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Tim Olson)
16. 11:49 AM - Re: I'm putting the wings on and the rivet callouts on 44-10 seem wrong (Carl Froehlich)
17. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Bill Watson)
18. 01:23 PM - KVNY (bruce breckenridge)
19. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Rene Felker)
20. 02:12 PM - Re: KVNY (Robin Marks)
21. 03:56 PM - Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (tsts4)
22. 04:56 PM - Re: Baffle advice (Bob Leffler)
23. 05:54 PM - Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Bob Turner)
24. 05:59 PM - Re: stick grip (Bob Turner)
25. 06:01 PM - Re: Baffle advice (John Cox)
26. 06:31 PM - Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (cjay)
27. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: stick grip (Michael Kraus)
28. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: stick grip (Kelly McMullen)
29. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: stick grip (Kelly McMullen)
30. 07:38 PM - Sold on whiskers - Redux (Les Kearney)
31. 07:46 PM - Re: Re: stick grip (Dave Saylor)
32. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
33. 11:06 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Anyone have a PDF of the article that can be shared privately?
Thanks,
bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath
Dan Lloyd is the subject of the Aftermath column in this months issue of
Flying Magazine.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
I'd like to see it too!
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 1, 2011, at 6:06 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
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> Anyone have a PDF of the article that can be shared privately?
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> Thanks,
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> bob
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:36 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath
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> Dan Lloyd is the subject of the Aftermath column in this months issue of
> Flying Magazine.
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> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
I'm in the process of updating the software on my ipad. As soon as it's
finished I'm going to download a digital version.
I'm not a big fan of Flying magazine but would like to read it. For the
iPad useres, there is a Flying Magazine App in the App Store and it allows
you to purchase them month-by-month. I just found it.
Phil
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>wrote:
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> On Jul 1, 2011, at 6:06 AM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
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> > Anyone have a PDF of the article that can be shared privately?
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> > Thanks,
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> > bob
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> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:36 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath
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> > Dan Lloyd is the subject of the Aftermath column in this months issue of
> > Flying Magazine.
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See answers below
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: stick grip
I'm trying to decide which stick grip to install ..... the choices are
not insignificant. I'd like to know what the flying RV-10s are using
for their stick grip and their recommendations.
A few questions:
Which grip did you choose and why. Infinity....looked cool and had lots of
buttons
Did it meet your expectations? It exceeded my expectations
Did you find that you needed more functions? Which ones? No...maybe one to
many for day to day use.
Would you list the buttons you have and their function?
I put a grip on each stick....this is the pilots grip (left seat)
Top left (Momentary ) -- Autopilot (works to both engage and disengage the
autopilot)
Top Middle (Top Hat) -- Trim, pitch and roll
Top Right (On-off-(on)) -- Flaps
Trigger -- Press to talk
Thumb -- (Momentary) Freq Switch on comm one
Pinky -- (Momentary) Ident
Do you wish you'd installed another grip, and why? No
But, have not really used the Ident switch. The next time I am in the
panel, I am thinking of changing that switch to comm 1 vs comm 2 selection.
If you want to reply directly, I'll post a summary in a week or two.
Linn
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I have the Infinity grips. I chose them because I liked the feel and
look, good reputation, and the number of possible functions. I have
the coolie hat on top controlling elevator trim and aileron trim.
Green button to the left flip-flops comm 1 frequencies, black button
to the right is the Vertical Power "Acknowledge" button and checklist
advance, red button halfway down on the right is autopilot disconnect/
CWS, the trigger switch is PTT for the comm radios, and I have a
pinkie switch that is left-off-right for rudder trim. If I was doing
it again, I would not put the rudder trim switch on the grip, but
would have a starter button instead. Other than that, I am very happy
with the grip and the functions.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> I'm trying to decide which stick grip to install ..... the choices
> are not insignificant. I'd like to know what the flying RV-10s are
> using for their stick grip and their recommendations.
> A few questions:
>
> Which grip did you choose and why.
>
> Did it meet your expectations?
>
> Did you find that you needed more functions? Which ones?
>
> Would you list the buttons you have and their function?
>
> Do you wish you'd installed another grip, and why?
>
>
> If you want to reply directly, I'll post a summary in a week or two.
> Linn
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Here's the article from Flying Magazine. Looks like he was "an accident looking
for a place to happen". Too bad!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344568#344568
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_accident_2_585.pdf
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I really like my Tosten CS-8 grip very much. Good price, made well. I like having
fewer buttons, and the grip is very comfortable. Trigger is talk, small
button under the trigger is CWS or AP disconnect, hat is trim, left button is
com 1 freq swap and right button is ident.
David Leikam
RV10
Flying
On Jul 1, 2011, at 8:23 AM, David wrote:
>
> I have the Infinity grips. I chose them because I liked the feel and look, good
reputation, and the number of possible functions. I have the coolie hat on
top controlling elevator trim and aileron trim. Green button to the left flip-flops
comm 1 frequencies, black button to the right is the Vertical Power "Acknowledge"
button and checklist advance, red button halfway down on the right is
autopilot disconnect/CWS, the trigger switch is PTT for the comm radios, and
I have a pinkie switch that is left-off-right for rudder trim. If I was doing
it again, I would not put the rudder trim switch on the grip, but would have
a starter button instead. Other than that, I am very happy with the grip and the
functions.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> Flying
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm trying to decide which stick grip to install ..... the choices are not insignificant.
I'd like to know what the flying RV-10s are using for their stick
grip and their recommendations.
>> A few questions:
>>
>> Which grip did you choose and why.
>>
>> Did it meet your expectations?
>>
>> Did you find that you needed more functions? Which ones?
>>
>> Would you list the buttons you have and their function?
>>
>> Do you wish you'd installed another grip, and why?
>>
>>
>> If you want to reply directly, I'll post a summary in a week or two.
>> Linn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Another builder tipped me off last night that this article
was in Flying Mag. (Flying mag is my favorite Av. mag,
or at least has been, due to some of their writers).
After reading it, I really thought Peter Garrison did an
excellent job of telling the story. I wasn't contacted
by anyone regarding the article, but I think they did
a great job of pulling the stuff together and putting
the right personal touch to it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/1/2011 8:45 AM, billz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"<billz@roadrunner.com>
>
> Here's the article from Flying Magazine. Looks like he was "an accident looking
for a place to happen". Too bad!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344568#344568
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_accident_2_585.pdf
>
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I first did the starter button (pinky switch) on the Infinity grip on my 8A.
In addition to the need to add another relay (the switch does not have the
current rating to control the starter solenoid directly) I found it way too
easy bump with the switch with the engine running. I disconnected it after
a few hours.
On the 10, the switches are:
Trim (coolie hat)
Flap
AP engage/disengage
PTT
Comm flip/flop
I do have a locking toggle switch on the panel to select who has control of
trim and flaps (pilot or co-pilot). I do this by controlling the common
ground wire. My thought was to prevent a non-pilot in the seat from doing
something weird, and to have an installed spare switch if the pilot stick
controls fail.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: stick grip
I have the Infinity grips. I chose them because I liked the feel and
look, good reputation, and the number of possible functions. I have
the coolie hat on top controlling elevator trim and aileron trim.
Green button to the left flip-flops comm 1 frequencies, black button
to the right is the Vertical Power "Acknowledge" button and checklist
advance, red button halfway down on the right is autopilot disconnect/
CWS, the trigger switch is PTT for the comm radios, and I have a
pinkie switch that is left-off-right for rudder trim. If I was doing
it again, I would not put the rudder trim switch on the grip, but
would have a starter button instead. Other than that, I am very happy
with the grip and the functions.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> I'm trying to decide which stick grip to install ..... the choices
> are not insignificant. I'd like to know what the flying RV-10s are
> using for their stick grip and their recommendations.
> A few questions:
>
> Which grip did you choose and why.
>
> Did it meet your expectations?
>
> Did you find that you needed more functions? Which ones?
>
> Would you list the buttons you have and their function?
>
> Do you wish you'd installed another grip, and why?
>
>
> If you want to reply directly, I'll post a summary in a week or two.
> Linn
>
>
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That still looks too close to me.
Robin
Do not archive
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Leffler
*Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:01 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Baffle advice
Here=92s the final result. There=92s about 1/8=94 gap between the fuel lin
e and
the bracket. I may take a little more off, just for a safety margin.
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Kermanj
*Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:28 AM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Baffle advice
Cut the bracket.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Yes, I thought he did a good job too even though I'm not intimate with
the facts.
I've been reading Flying since the 60s and have always enjoyed the
various writer who have come and gone. It looks like it will survive
the latest editorial staff changes (ownership too?) thought the my jury
is still out. I miss Collins and Mac.
I say all that because while I've never liked Garrison in the accident
reporting role over the years, he is a scratch builder (Melmoth 1 & 2)
and the first homebuilder I ever knew of. He should be the right guy
for this story and he was.
http://www.melmoth2.com/texts/Bio.htm
Bill Watson
On 7/1/2011 10:02 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Another builder tipped me off last night that this article
> was in Flying Mag. (Flying mag is my favorite Av. mag,
> or at least has been, due to some of their writers).
> After reading it, I really thought Peter Garrison did an
> excellent job of telling the story. I wasn't contacted
> by anyone regarding the article, but I think they did
> a great job of pulling the stuff together and putting
> the right personal touch to it.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 7/1/2011 8:45 AM, billz wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"<billz@roadrunner.com>
>>
>> Here's the article from Flying Magazine. Looks like he was "an
>> accident looking for a place to happen". Too bad!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344568#344568
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_accident_2_585.pdf
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Tim ought to get a royalty out of it. It did provide some insight that I previously
didn't know, but that article was still at least 95% of what Tim wrote 4
years ago. And for those for whom this is new, Tim is the unnamed friend who
implored Dan to slow down and learn his avionics (Cheltons in this case), and
other unheeded advise.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344605#344605
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Peter Garrison is my across the hangar row neighbor at our LA airport.
Really quite amazing what he has accomplished with his homebuilt(s).
Robin
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath
Yes, I thought he did a good job too even though I'm not intimate with
the facts.
I've been reading Flying since the 60s and have always enjoyed the
various writer who have come and gone. It looks like it will survive
the latest editorial staff changes (ownership too?) thought the my jury
is still out. I miss Collins and Mac.
I say all that because while I've never liked Garrison in the accident
reporting role over the years, he is a scratch builder (Melmoth 1 & 2)
and the first homebuilder I ever knew of. He should be the right guy
for this story and he was.
http://www.melmoth2.com/texts/Bio.htm
Bill Watson
On 7/1/2011 10:02 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Another builder tipped me off last night that this article
> was in Flying Mag. (Flying mag is my favorite Av. mag,
> or at least has been, due to some of their writers).
> After reading it, I really thought Peter Garrison did an
> excellent job of telling the story. I wasn't contacted
> by anyone regarding the article, but I think they did
> a great job of pulling the stuff together and putting
> the right personal touch to it.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 7/1/2011 8:45 AM, billz wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"<billz@roadrunner.com>
>>
>> Here's the article from Flying Magazine. Looks like he was "an
>> accident looking for a place to happen". Too bad!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344568#344568
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_accident_2_585.pdf
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | I'm putting the wings on and the rivet callouts on 44-10 seem |
wrong
I'm riveting on the wing fairing support angles and note that the rivet
callouts are mostly pull rivets. Seems strange since most of the rivets
are easily bucked. At the same time, 2 rivets squeezed in near the flap
actuator and rear spar are called out as AN470 AD4s - they are the
toughest of the bunch.
Anyone know what I'm missing here?
Thanks
Bill "so close to finishing the wing attach" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Yeah, my only gripe about flying mag is really that I can't download
a .pdf of it with my standard subscription, or in place of a
standard subscription. I like to save my magazines, but don't have
the space to store paper copies. All my other subs almost are all
.pdf now, so it's handy.
I like reading most of their writers, and just love Martha Lunken,
and I get a kick out of Dick Karl being such a kid about loving
these toys. I do miss Collins and Mac, but, that's kind of a
complaint about Mac.....That's fine that he left if he wanted
to, but whereas Garrison is great in that he's a homebuilder
and has lots of aerodynamic education, Mac is now working the
EAA circuit and I don't think he much belongs there. He doesn't
fly homebuilts, didn't write much about them, probably doesn't
care much about them.
This story though on the Dan Lloyd accident was a good one.
We've told the tale a bunch of times, and sorted out what
we knew, but this put a more personal spin on it. He's
a great writer for that one, as you noted.
These days, I'd have to say Martha Lunken is my favorite
though...that lady cracks me up.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/1/2011 12:47 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Yes, I thought he did a good job too even though I'm not intimate with
> the facts.
>
> I've been reading Flying since the 60s and have always enjoyed the
> various writer who have come and gone. It looks like it will survive the
> latest editorial staff changes (ownership too?) thought the my jury is
> still out. I miss Collins and Mac.
>
> I say all that because while I've never liked Garrison in the accident
> reporting role over the years, he is a scratch builder (Melmoth 1 & 2)
> and the first homebuilder I ever knew of. He should be the right guy for
> this story and he was.
>
> http://www.melmoth2.com/texts/Bio.htm
>
> Bill Watson
>
> On 7/1/2011 10:02 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Another builder tipped me off last night that this article
>> was in Flying Mag. (Flying mag is my favorite Av. mag,
>> or at least has been, due to some of their writers).
>> After reading it, I really thought Peter Garrison did an
>> excellent job of telling the story. I wasn't contacted
>> by anyone regarding the article, but I think they did
>> a great job of pulling the stuff together and putting
>> the right personal touch to it.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 7/1/2011 8:45 AM, billz wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the article from Flying Magazine. Looks like he was "an
>>> accident looking for a place to happen". Too bad!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344568#344568
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_accident_2_585.pdf
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | I'm putting the wings on and the rivet callouts on 44-10 |
seem wrong
Just did the same thing a month ago. I let common sense be my guide (used
solid rivets where I could buck, pull rivets otherwise). I also added one
more nutplate - on the short angle on the bottom, forward of the wing spar.
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: I'm putting the wings on and the rivet callouts on 44-10
seem wrong
I'm riveting on the wing fairing support angles and note that the rivet
callouts are mostly pull rivets. Seems strange since most of the rivets
are easily bucked. At the same time, 2 rivets squeezed in near the flap
actuator and rear spar are called out as AN470 AD4s - they are the
toughest of the bunch.
Anyone know what I'm missing here?
Thanks
Bill "so close to finishing the wing attach" Watson
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Not that any comparison can or should be made but Lunken has somehow
filled 'ol Bax's shoes. She's a delight.
do not archive
On 7/1/2011 2:29 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Yeah, my only gripe about flying mag is really that I can't download
> a .pdf of it with my standard subscription, or in place of a
> standard subscription. I like to save my magazines, but don't have
> the space to store paper copies. All my other subs almost are all
> .pdf now, so it's handy.
>
> I like reading most of their writers, and just love Martha Lunken,
> and I get a kick out of Dick Karl being such a kid about loving
> these toys. I do miss Collins and Mac, but, that's kind of a
> complaint about Mac.....That's fine that he left if he wanted
> to, but whereas Garrison is great in that he's a homebuilder
> and has lots of aerodynamic education, Mac is now working the
> EAA circuit and I don't think he much belongs there. He doesn't
> fly homebuilts, didn't write much about them, probably doesn't
> care much about them.
>
> This story though on the Dan Lloyd accident was a good one.
> We've told the tale a bunch of times, and sorted out what
> we knew, but this put a more personal spin on it. He's
> a great writer for that one, as you noted.
>
> These days, I'd have to say Martha Lunken is my favorite
> though...that lady cracks me up.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 7/1/2011 12:47 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I thought he did a good job too even though I'm not intimate with
>> the facts.
>>
>> I've been reading Flying since the 60s and have always enjoyed the
>> various writer who have come and gone. It looks like it will survive the
>> latest editorial staff changes (ownership too?) thought the my jury is
>> still out. I miss Collins and Mac.
>>
>> I say all that because while I've never liked Garrison in the accident
>> reporting role over the years, he is a scratch builder (Melmoth 1 & 2)
>> and the first homebuilder I ever knew of. He should be the right guy for
>> this story and he was.
>>
>> http://www.melmoth2.com/texts/Bio.htm
>>
>> Bill Watson
>>
>> On 7/1/2011 10:02 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> Another builder tipped me off last night that this article
>>> was in Flying Mag. (Flying mag is my favorite Av. mag,
>>> or at least has been, due to some of their writers).
>>> After reading it, I really thought Peter Garrison did an
>>> excellent job of telling the story. I wasn't contacted
>>> by anyone regarding the article, but I think they did
>>> a great job of pulling the stuff together and putting
>>> the right personal touch to it.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/1/2011 8:45 AM, billz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here's the article from Flying Magazine. Looks like he was "an
>>>> accident looking for a place to happen". Too bad!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344568#344568
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attachments:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_accident_2_585.pdf
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Dearest List of Impeccable Information;
I'm flying into Van Nuys next Tuesday the 5th. I need to park for 2
nights and get a car. Which FBO is suggested? There must be at least
4 of 'em!
Bruce Breckenridge
Portalnd, OR
RV-10 Wings
Christavia MK-1 lots of parts
C182 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
The one I miss is Lane Wallace, I found her writing always hit a spot with
me. Lunken is number two......wish all FFA people were like her.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath
Not that any comparison can or should be made but Lunken has somehow
filled 'ol Bax's shoes. She's a delight.
do not archive
On 7/1/2011 2:29 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Yeah, my only gripe about flying mag is really that I can't download
> a .pdf of it with my standard subscription, or in place of a
> standard subscription. I like to save my magazines, but don't have
> the space to store paper copies. All my other subs almost are all
> .pdf now, so it's handy.
>
> I like reading most of their writers, and just love Martha Lunken,
> and I get a kick out of Dick Karl being such a kid about loving
> these toys. I do miss Collins and Mac, but, that's kind of a
> complaint about Mac.....That's fine that he left if he wanted
> to, but whereas Garrison is great in that he's a homebuilder
> and has lots of aerodynamic education, Mac is now working the
> EAA circuit and I don't think he much belongs there. He doesn't
> fly homebuilts, didn't write much about them, probably doesn't
> care much about them.
>
> This story though on the Dan Lloyd accident was a good one.
> We've told the tale a bunch of times, and sorted out what
> we knew, but this put a more personal spin on it. He's
> a great writer for that one, as you noted.
>
> These days, I'd have to say Martha Lunken is my favorite
> though...that lady cracks me up.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 7/1/2011 12:47 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I thought he did a good job too even though I'm not intimate with
>> the facts.
>>
>> I've been reading Flying since the 60s and have always enjoyed the
>> various writer who have come and gone. It looks like it will survive the
>> latest editorial staff changes (ownership too?) thought the my jury is
>> still out. I miss Collins and Mac.
>>
>> I say all that because while I've never liked Garrison in the accident
>> reporting role over the years, he is a scratch builder (Melmoth 1 & 2)
>> and the first homebuilder I ever knew of. He should be the right guy for
>> this story and he was.
>>
>> http://www.melmoth2.com/texts/Bio.htm
>>
>> Bill Watson
>>
>> On 7/1/2011 10:02 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> Another builder tipped me off last night that this article
>>> was in Flying Mag. (Flying mag is my favorite Av. mag,
>>> or at least has been, due to some of their writers).
>>> After reading it, I really thought Peter Garrison did an
>>> excellent job of telling the story. I wasn't contacted
>>> by anyone regarding the article, but I think they did
>>> a great job of pulling the stuff together and putting
>>> the right personal touch to it.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/1/2011 8:45 AM, billz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here's the article from Flying Magazine. Looks like he was "an
>>>> accident looking for a place to happen". Too bad!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344568#344568
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attachments:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/rv_10_accident_2_585.pdf
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I always preferred BUR over VNY. Easier in/out and seemingly less to deal
with in and around the airport plus much nicer area. We always flew into
Million Air where the staff was really warm and helpful to the point where
they knew my family members names and always asked about my daughter's
career. Million Air has a nice pilots lounge with TV, couches, recliners
and flight planning facility. I think they have Enterprise vehicles there.
Of the ~40 times I flew in I think they charged me just a handful for tie
down. I rarely got gas from the FBO.
In VNY we loved Peterson Aviation but I believe they have closed.
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce
breckenridge
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: KVNY
<bbreckenridge@gmail.com>
Dearest List of Impeccable Information;
I'm flying into Van Nuys next Tuesday the 5th. I need to park for 2
nights and get a car. Which FBO is suggested? There must be at least
4 of 'em!
Bruce Breckenridge
Portalnd, OR
RV-10 Wings
Christavia MK-1 lots of parts
C182 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only who feels Mac is not a good fit with EAA.
His articles and blog seem geared more towards the certified crowd as if he
had never left Flying. I mean his latest blog is about the lack of maintenance
rules for owners. Really? Maybe we can make a trade--
Mac for Peter G.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
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There=92s more of a gap than it looks in the picture. With that said, I
plan
on opening the gap from 1/8=94 to =BC=94.
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baffle advice
That still looks too close to me.
Robin
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baffle advice
Here=92s the final result. There=92s about 1/8=94 gap between the fuel
line and
the bracket. I may take a little more off, just for a safety margin.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffle advice
Cut the bracket.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
My only complaint about this article is that it gives the uninformed the impression
that if the engine quits, you must die.
Ultimately, the PIC died because he either was incapable of, or, more likely, refused
to accept, landing in a corn field.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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I have the Tosten on the left stick, and like the feel of it. I just use 3 functions:
top hat for trim, trigger for PTT, and right rear button for autopilot
disconnect. The right stick has an inexpensive Allen (I think) grip with just
PTT. I don't want passengers hitting the trim switch. I installed the Allen rocker
trim switch in the right-center panel, easily reached by either pilot, as
a second way of running trim from the left seat or the main way from the right.
My Trio autopilot will also run the trim, automatically or manually.
I have the trim speeds set so the left stick runs full speed; the panel rocker
runs a little slower; and the Trio auto-adjusts to run fast when airspeed is low,
and runs trim slowly when airspeed is high.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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You can take a rubber grommet of the correct I.D., cut it
cross-sectional from the center out to the circumference to insert over
the injector line and slide it right over the modified bracket. That
will give you correct separation and dampening.
John Cox
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bob Leffler
Sent: Fri 7/1/2011 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baffle advice
There's more of a gap than it looks in the picture. With that said, I
plan on opening the gap from 1/8" to =BC".
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baffle advice
That still looks too close to me.
Robin
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Baffle advice
Here's the final result. There's about 1/8" gap between the fuel line
and the bracket. I may take a little more off, just for a safety
margin.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Baffle advice
Cut the bracket.
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Bob,
For those of us not familiar with the story, can you enlighten us about the avoiding
landing in the corn field?
cjay
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I used the Teak wooden grips on my RV-4 and liked them so much that I am usi
ng them on my RV-10. I have the coolie hat for trim, a PTT and an autopilot d
isconnect. I am very happy with them.
-Mike Kraus
40013, 19.8 hours
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 1, 2011, at 8:57 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
> I have the Tosten on the left stick, and like the feel of it. I just use 3
functions: top hat for trim, trigger for PTT, and right rear button for au
topilot disconnect. The right stick has an inexpensive Allen (I think) grip w
ith just PTT. I don't want passengers hitting the trim switch. I installed t
he Allen rocker trim switch in the right-center panel, easily reached by eit
her pilot, as a second way of running trim from the left seat or the main wa
y from the right. My Trio autopilot will also run the trim, automatically or
manually.
>
> I have the trim speeds set so the left stick runs full speed; the panel ro
cker runs a little slower; and the Trio auto-adjusts to run fast when airspe
ed is low, and runs trim slowly when airspeed is high.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344639#344639
>
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Vans or other source?
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Michael Kraus
<n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
> I used the Teak wooden grips on my RV-4 and liked them so much that I am using
them on my RV-10. I have the coolie hat for trim, a PTT and an autopilot disconnect.
I am very happy with them.
> -Mike Kraus
> 40013, 19.8 hours
>
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Disregard. Didn't see the image attached .
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vans or other source?
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Michael Kraus
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
>> I used the Teak wooden grips on my RV-4 and liked them so much that I am using
them on my RV-10. I have the coolie hat for trim, a PTT and an autopilot disconnect.
I am very happy with them.
>> -Mike Kraus
>> 40013, 19.8 hours
>
>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Sold on whiskers - Redux |
Hi
After reading this thread, I thought I would revisit my antenna decisions.
Although I have a Bob Archer (uninstalled) antenna, I think the "sold on
whiskers" thread makes this to be a less than optimal antenna choice.
So my questions are:
* Given a SL30 / GNS 430 WAAS combo, I expect that I will need a TRIPLEXER
to split a single NAV signal into a NAV/GS for the 4030 and a NAV signal for
the SL30 (which I understand has an internal splitter). Is this correct.
* Is there any difference, other than cost, to the RA Allen and Comant VOR /
LOC / GS antennas. One is $130 and the other $290 ($CDN).
Inquiring minds need to know....
Cheers
Les
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I have the same setup as Mike. I'm happy with it, but it took a few changes.
For one, I originally had the trim in the upper left corner, and the
AP disconnect in the lower right corner. I'm describing the left
side. The right side is a mirror image. Each one kind of felt
natural under my thumb. But I found that especially on take-off, if I
didn't have the trim quite right for the load, that it was pretty
difficult to push on the stick (which happens with your thumb) while
also reaching up with my thumb to trim the nose down. Many times I
ended up pushing with one hand and trimming with the other. Two
annuals ago I swapped the two buttons and now it's much easier to trim
and push at the same time.
The other change was to put a guard on the AP button. It was pretty
easy to accidentally push it with a map, especially on the right side.
It's just a simple dish that protects the button.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Michael Kraus
<n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
> I used the Teak wooden grips on my RV-4 and liked them so much that I am using
them on my RV-10. I have the coolie hat for trim, a PTT and an autopilot disconnect.
I am very happy with them.
> -Mike Kraus
> 40013, 19.8 hours
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 1, 2011, at 8:57 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have the Tosten on the left stick, and like the feel of it. I just use 3 functions:
top hat for trim, trigger for PTT, and right rear button for autopilot
disconnect. The right stick has an inexpensive Allen (I think) grip with just
PTT. I don't want passengers hitting the trim switch. I installed the Allen
rocker trim switch in the right-center panel, easily reached by either pilot,
as a second way of running trim from the left seat or the main way from the right.
My Trio autopilot will also run the trim, automatically or manually.
>>
>> I have the trim speeds set so the left stick runs full speed; the panel rocker
runs a little slower; and the Trio auto-adjusts to run fast when airspeed is
low, and runs trim slowly when airspeed is high.
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Turner
>> RV-10 QB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344639#344639
>>
>>
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Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
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Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
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Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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