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1. 01:18 AM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre (Robin Marks)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre (Linn Walters)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre (Kelly McMullen)
4. 08:13 AM - F-1044B fabrition (Shannon Hicks)
5. 09:00 AM - Re: F-1044B fabrition (Ronald Walker)
6. 09:13 AM - Re: F-1044B fabrition (William Curtis)
7. 09:33 AM - Re: F-1044B fabrition (Bill Watson)
8. 10:22 AM - Re: F-1044B fabrition (Shannon Hicks)
9. 11:30 AM - 4th of July Musing (AirMike)
10. 12:41 PM - Re: 4th of July Musing (Dave Saylor)
11. 12:52 PM - Re: EGT probe? (AirMike)
12. 12:56 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre (Dave Saylor)
13. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: EGT probe? (DLM)
14. 02:33 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre (Robin Marks)
15. 03:30 PM - Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month (John Gonzalez)
16. 03:38 PM - Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre (Patrick Pulis)
17. 03:46 PM - Re: EGT probe? (Jesse Saint)
18. 08:21 PM - Re: EGT probe? (Linn Walters)
19. 08:47 PM - Re: EGT probe? (Kelly McMullen)
20. 09:39 PM - Re: EGT probe? (DLM)
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| Subject: | RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre |
Snip>> I can't even imagine removing my cowls 300+ times, ouch
Spoken like a man who hasn=92t gotten to installing his cowl yet. J
Robin
Do Not Archive
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Pulis
*Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:58 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RV10-List: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre
Many thanks to all who responded to my enquiry, its really appreciated. I
really like you guys because of your openness, honesty and best of all your
experience. I can't even imagine removing my cowls 300+ times, ouch.
Is it worthwhile upgrading the rubber baffle seal material as supplied by
Vans (black and rigid I think from memory), to a silicone sheet material
that is a little more supple and more easily conforms to the shape of the
upper cowl?
I see that baffle material is availabe as follows:
http://www.aeroinstock.com/products/Baffle-Seal/6211/0/product_cat/index.ht
ml
http://www.skygeek.com/cs085x3x108g.html
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ams3320siliconebaffleseal.php
Any further guidance would be appreciated please.
Kind regards
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre |
I've been planning on a plenum ever since I started my -10 kit. I never
thought about the problem of having to remove it to make changes during
phase 1. What a wake-up call. However, I planned on attaching my
plenum top to the standard baffles ..... which, of course, prevents me
from buying a third-party plenum. So now I'm back to the plenum idea
..... but will do my phase 1 with the cowl baffle seal and then remove
it, replacing it with the plenum top. I've always hated the cowl seal
because making a perfect baffle seal is next to impossible and it always
degrades over time making it a PITA to maintain instead of fly.
Linn
On 7/4/2011 1:04 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Consider McFarlane's Baffle Saver silicone seal. A bit more money,
> prevents abrasion of cowling by silicone.
>
>
> On 7/3/2011 9:58 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
>> Many thanks to all who responded to my enquiry, its really
>> appreciated. I really like you guys because of your openness,
>> honesty and best of all your experience. I can't even imagine
>> removing my cowls 300+ times, ouch.
>> Is it worthwhile upgradingthe rubber baffle seal material as supplied
>> by Vans (black and rigid I think from memory), to a silicone sheet
>> material that is a little more supple and more easily conforms to the
>> shape of the upper cowl?
>> I see that baffle material is availabe as follows:
>> http://www.aeroinstock.com/products/Baffle-Seal/6211/0/product_cat/index.html
>>
>> http://www.skygeek.com/cs085x3x108g.html
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/ams3320siliconebaffleseal.php
>>
>> Any further guidance would be appreciated please.
>> Kind regards
>> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre |
Sounds almost as much fun as fitting the doors...................
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> Snip>> I can't even imagine removing my cowls 300+ times, ouch
>
> Spoken like a man who hasnt gotten to installing his cowl yet. J
>
>
> Robin
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| Subject: | F-1044B fabrition |
Good morning all!
I am working on page 31-2 and am having some trouble figuring out exactly
what F-1044B is supposed to look like when I am done. Do any of you guys
have a picture of this piece? That 149 deg bend has me scratching my head
today!
Shannon
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| Subject: | Re: F-1044B fabrition |
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 10:09 -0500, Shannon Hicks wrote:
> Good morning all!
>
> I am working on page 31-2 and am having some trouble figuring out
> exactly what F-1044B is supposed to look like when I am done. Do any
> of you guys have a picture of this piece? That 149 deg bend has me
> scratching my head today!
>
> Shannon
>
Attached - 2 pictures, first showing the piece as fabricated, the second
shows it 'in place'.
Hope it helps.
--Ron
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| Subject: | Re: F-1044B fabrition |
It is the aluminum angle you see to the right in the picture at the below
link:
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/08Fuselage/fuselage31f.html
The rivet up against the firewall angle is hard to get to and you may want
to put a nut and bolt there instead.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning all!
>
> I am working on page 31-2 and am having some trouble figuring out exactly
> what F-1044B is supposed to look like when I am done. Do any of you guys
> have a picture of this piece? That 149 deg bend has me scratching my head
> today!
>
> Shannon
>
> --
> William
> N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-1044B fabrition |
Brain freeze perhaps. I don't have a picture but I know the part.
Try rewording Step 2 to read, "Fabricate part F-1044B from AA6-125 x 3/4
x 3/4 angle as shown in Figure 2".
That unfreeze the blockage.
Bill
On 7/4/2011 11:09 AM, Shannon Hicks wrote:
>
> Good morning all!
>
> I am working on page 31-2 and am having some trouble figuring out
> exactly what F-1044B is supposed to look like when I am done. Do any
> of you guys have a picture of this piece? That 149 deg bend has me
> scratching my head today!
>
> Shannon
>
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| Subject: | Re: F-1044B fabrition |
Thanks Ron. I was confused about the orientation of the bend. I wasn't sure
if I was supposed to cut the flange or not.
On Jul 4, 2011 12:07 PM, "Ronald Walker" <n520tx@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 10:09 -0500, Shannon Hicks wrote:
>> Good morning all!
>>
>> I am working on page 31-2 and am having some trouble figuring out
>> exactly what F-1044B is supposed to look like when I am done. Do any
>> of you guys have a picture of this piece? That 149 deg bend has me
>> scratching my head today!
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>
> Attached - 2 pictures, first showing the piece as fabricated, the second
> shows it 'in place'.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> --Ron
>
>
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| Subject: | 4th of July Musing |
A day to be grateful. We US types should take a moment to thank our stars that
we live in a country where we can still fly where we want when we want with relatively
few restrictions. In only a handful of countries is General Aviation
flying free of onerous restrictions. Interestingly, the US, Canada, and Australia
are among those few countries that inherited a tradition of individual rights
and freedom that is reflected in our traditions to fly where we want - when
we want. This is no accident. The brave warrior aviators that flew in the skies
over England, Germany, France, Korea, and even Vietnam were a part of preserving
that tradition. We RV10 builders must continue to fight for that tradition
and those rights through EAA and our local chapters and pilot groups. As the
US Declaration of Independence says, "We are endowed by our creator with certain
inalienable rights." Let us preserve those rights and not let governments
steal them from us.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344886#344886
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| Subject: | Re: 4th of July Musing |
Well said!
do not archive
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:26 AM, AirMike <Mikeabel@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> A day to be grateful. We US types should take a moment to thank our stars that
we live in a country where we can still fly where we want when we want with
relatively few restrictions. In only a handful of countries is General Aviation
flying free of onerous restrictions. Interestingly, the US, Canada, and Australia
are among those few countries that inherited a tradition of individual rights
and freedom that is reflected in our traditions to fly where we want - when
we want. This is no accident. The brave warrior aviators that flew in the
skies over England, Germany, France, Korea, and even Vietnam were a part of preserving
that tradition. We RV10 builders must continue to fight for that tradition
and those rights through EAA and our local chapters and pilot groups. As
the US Declaration of Independence says, "We are endowed by our creator with
certain inalienable rights." Let us preserve those rights and not let governments
steal them from us.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '11
> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344886#344886
>
>
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Yea - swap it to another cylinder and check the connection. Probably going south
on you. EGT's and CHT probes are a constant maintenance item. Burned 'em out
about every 300 hrs on my Cessna.
--------
See you OSH '11
Q/B - flying 1 yr+
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344899#344899
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre |
Shameless promotion:
I really like the big oil door we developed. Go to our website if
you're interested.
I think it's pertinent to this discussion since it's just about as
good as taking the top cowl off for inspection. Probably not a lot of
maintenance is going to get done, but being able to preflight the
entire top of the engine and behind the accessory case is comforting
to me.
Also, note how the rear baffle is canted forward at an angle. That
really helps when putting the cowl on (or closing the door) since
normally the seal kind of wants to stand up straight and interfere
with the cowl. This way it just lays down nicely. And notice the
nice orange line from the baffle on the inside of the door. That's
pretty indicative of a good seal.
No temp problems so far. Approaching 900 hours.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sounds almost as much fun as fitting the doors...................
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote
:
>> Snip>> I can't even imagine removing my cowls 300+ times, ouch
>>
>> Spoken like a man who hasn=99t gotten to installing his cowl yet.
J
>>
>>
>>
>> Robin
>
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depends on the quality of the probe. The Electronics International probes
have a life comparable to engine TBO. In 3000 hours of flight with Insight
supplied (Alcor?) probes I replaced 1 or 2 in my C177RG. Before I switched
to EI on the 10, I had four GRT failures in the first 300 hours. Check them
before you swap them; you will see whether it is even necessary.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 12:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: EGT probe?
>
> Yea - swap it to another cylinder and check the connection. Probably going
> south on you. EGT's and CHT probes are a constant maintenance item. Burned
> 'em out about every 300 hrs on my Cessna.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '11
> Q/B - flying 1 yr+
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344899#344899
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre |
A fellow builder used my hanger for about a week. He installed the
"shameless promotion oil door". Looked nice and practical. I can see
the benefit.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Jul 4, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shameless promotion:
>
> I really like the big oil door we developed. Go to our website if
> you're interested.
>
> I think it's pertinent to this discussion since it's just about as
> good as taking the top cowl off for inspection. Probably not a lot of
> maintenance is going to get done, but being able to preflight the
> entire top of the engine and behind the accessory case is comforting
> to me.
>
> Also, note how the rear baffle is canted forward at an angle. That
> really helps when putting the cowl on (or closing the door) since
> normally the seal kind of wants to stand up straight and interfere
> with the cowl. This way it just lays down nicely. And notice the
> nice orange line from the baffle on the inside of the door. That's
> pretty indicative of a good seal.
>
> No temp problems so far. Approaching 900 hours.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds almost as much fun as fitting the doors...................
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
>>> Snip>> I can't even imagine removing my cowls 300+ times, ouch
>>>
>>> Spoken like a man who hasnt gotten to installing his cowl yet. J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robin
>>
>>
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> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> <Baffle sealing.jpg>
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| Subject: | Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month |
Way to go Dick!
Think of all the people who have wanted to put a mustache on the Mona Lisa!
Don't mess with DaVinci=2C Don't mess with Dick's creation.
Thanks William for posting this.
Subject: RV10-List: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
From: wcurtis@nerv10.com
I don't do Facebook and so have previously ignored the Facebook icon on the
Van's homepage. I decided to take a look at what was out there and I see
Van's has a pretty pointed commentary on Greg's aircraft. The title of the
article is "WHAT PRICE MASTERPIECE?"
http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-d
ick-vangrunsven/237594966250883
The article touches on a number of items=2C increased gross weight=2C seats
=2C shoulder harness and additional fuel tanks in the wings. The additiona
l fuel in the wings is relevant to Matronics thread 75832.
--
William
N40237 - http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre |
Yeah, yeah, mate, us slow pokes will eventually get there.=C2- Just remem
ber the story about the tortoise and the hair!=0A=C2-=0AIt will be finish
ed when its finished.=0A=0AFrom: Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com>=0ATo:
rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 4 July 2011 5:43 PM=0ASubject: RE:
RV10-List: RV-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre=0A=0A=0ASnip>>I can't ev
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rchive=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-r
v10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis=0ASent: Sunday, J
uly 03, 2011 9:58 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RV10-List: RV
-10 Fibreglass Plenum Vs Carbon Fibre=0A=C2-=0AMany thanks to all who res
ponded to my enquiry, its really appreciated.=C2- I really like you guys
because of your openness, honesty and best of all your experience.=C2- I
can't even imagine removing my cowls 300+ times, ouch.=0A=C2-=0AIs it wor
thwhile upgrading the rubber baffle seal material as supplied by Vans (blac
k and rigid I think from memory), to a silicone sheet material that is a li
ttle more supple and more easily conforms to the shape of the upper cowl?
=0A=C2-=0AI see that baffle material is availabe as follows:=0A=C2-=0Ah
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Does it change like the others? Does it peak at about the right time as
the others. In my testing and flying, as long as it is peaking and
acting like the others, the actual number really doesn't mean much
(especially if it isn't reading over 1400 all the time.
For those who have been replacing probes, with both AFS and Dynon
probes, I have had to replace precious few of them. I finally replaced
the whole set on N256H at about 925 hours, but it didn't really need
them, they were just starting to get dirty/corroded, so I decided to
replace all of them. I have to say that in about 120 probes I have
installed of both CHT and EGT, I have only had maybe 3 go bad. Again,
almost all of these were from Dynon or AFS, and many of them don't have
over 300 hours on them, but I have had very few complaints. I wonder if
it's just a quality issue with the probes GRT uses.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Jul 4, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
> All of the sudden, one EGT (#3) is lagging about 200 degrees behind
his brothers, with no other symptoms from the engine. It's consistent
despite power setting, leaning, one mag or the other. CHTs are fine,
and engine is smooth.
>
> Is there a failure mode like that for GRT EIS EGT probes?
>
> Haven't tried swapping probes around yet, but will do that next to
isolate it.
>
> Tim D-T
> N52KS
>
>
>
>
>
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I wonder if mounting them further from the flange might increase their
longevity???
Linn
On 7/4/2011 6:41 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> Does it change like the others? Does it peak at about the right time
> as the others. In my testing and flying, as long as it is peaking and
> acting like the others, the actual number really doesn't mean much
> (especially if it isn't reading over 1400 all the time.
>
> For those who have been replacing probes, with both AFS and Dynon
> probes, I have had to replace precious few of them. I finally
> replaced the whole set on N256H at about 925 hours, but it didn't
> really need them, they were just starting to get dirty/corroded, so I
> decided to replace all of them. I have to say that in about 120
> probes I have installed of both CHT and EGT, I have only had maybe 3
> go bad. Again, almost all of these were from Dynon or AFS, and many
> of them don't have over 300 hours on them, but I have had very few
> complaints. I wonder if it's just a quality issue with the probes GRT
> uses.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Jul 4, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>
>> All of the sudden, one EGT (#3) is lagging about 200 degrees behind
>> his brothers, with no other symptoms from the engine. It's
>> consistent despite power setting, leaning, one mag or the other.
>> CHTs are fine, and engine is smooth.
>>
>> Is there a failure mode like that for GRT EIS EGT probes?
>>
>> Haven't tried swapping probes around yet, but will do that next to
>> isolate it.
>>
>> Tim D-T
>> N52KS
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>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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I doubt it. EI specifies 1.5" from flange for their probes. I've had
no problems with them installed there.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I wonder if mounting them further from the flange might increase their
> longevity???
> Linn
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that might but all probes indicate that 2"-6" is OK as long as all are
the same distance. Mine are at about 2.5"; the outer shell burns off in
the exhaust flame and the two electrodes make and break contact in the
tube, causing a fluctuating value by 400 degrees. Have not had a problem
since switching to EI probes.
----- Original Message -----
From: Linn Walters
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: EGT probe?
I wonder if mounting them further from the flange might increase their
longevity???
Linn
On 7/4/2011 6:41 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:
Does it change like the others? Does it peak at about the right
time as the others. In my testing and flying, as long as it is peaking
and acting like the others, the actual number really doesn't mean much
(especially if it isn't reading over 1400 all the time.
For those who have been replacing probes, with both AFS and Dynon
probes, I have had to replace precious few of them. I finally replaced
the whole set on N256H at about 925 hours, but it didn't really need
them, they were just starting to get dirty/corroded, so I decided to
replace all of them. I have to say that in about 120 probes I have
installed of both CHT and EGT, I have only had maybe 3 go bad. Again,
almost all of these were from Dynon or AFS, and many of them don't have
over 300 hours on them, but I have had very few complaints. I wonder if
it's just a quality issue with the probes GRT uses.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Jul 4, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
All of the sudden, one EGT (#3) is lagging about 200 degrees
behind his brothers, with no other symptoms from the engine. It's
consistent despite power setting, leaning, one mag or the other. CHTs
are fine, and engine is smooth.
Is there a failure mode like that for GRT EIS EGT probes?
Haven't tried swapping probes around yet, but will do that next to
isolate it.
Tim D-T
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