---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/07/11: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:22 AM - Re: Re: Desert sandstorm PHX area (Bill Watson) 2. 05:24 AM - Re: OT: iPad2 Jailbreak is out! (Bill Watson) 3. 05:52 AM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (rv10flyer) 4. 10:50 AM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Roger Standley) 5. 11:10 AM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Tim Olson) 6. 11:34 AM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Robin Marks) 7. 11:43 AM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Roger Standley) 8. 11:47 AM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Dave Saylor) 9. 12:03 PM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (John Cumins) 10. 12:10 PM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Tim Olson) 11. 12:53 PM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (rv10flyer) 12. 08:04 PM - Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:52 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Desert sandstorm PHX area FWIW, having flown out in front of these before, the clear air ahead of it is smooth and going up at a rapid rate. Think of a cold wedge of air smoothly lifting up the the air in front of it. The air behind the dust front has the high winds at the surface kicking up the dust, and is also lifting - but here the rising air is convective-like turbulent. Not to be flown in... unless the turnpoint is in there. A ballasted sailplane can easily surf the front, outrun it, or otherwise get out of it's way. I'm sure an RV could too. Not so sure about the Maule. Anyway, I'm curious... did anyone who experienced it on the ground notice any lightning in the dust? That is, lighting separate from any moisture clouds. Or is just too brutal to be looking around at that point? Bill "Mauledriver but really a gliderpilot" Watson do not archive On 7/6/2011 9:18 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen > > Usually it is the leading edge of a big storm, yes, outflow. Storms > often roll in off the mountains down from 7000 ft to 1000 ft > elevation, so a lot of energy is incorporated. Yesterday's storm had > 50-70mph winds for over an hour, and that picks up a lot of dirt from > the desert. > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Bill Watson wrote: >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson >> >> So is this the outflow from a big storm? >> >> Looks like the ones I've seen in TX and NM back in my glider days... at >> first I turned and ran but realized other racers were riding them.... >> nothing like it! No fun on the ground though, especially for a big city. >> >> Bill "working the punch list" Watson >>> For the benefit of those that don't know what we are discussing, and >>> what you *really* don't want to fly into, here is photo from front >>> page of today's Arizona Republic. >>> >> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:05 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT: iPad2 Jailbreak is out! Tsk tsk, bad boy Tim, bad boy I see an iPad in my '10's future... do not archive Bill On 7/7/2011 1:38 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > For those who have an iPad2 and want to jailbreak it, it's been > a long wait for the guys to come out with a public way to do > it, and tonight it arrived. It's the simplest jailbreak > yet. > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: External Brake Lines - crack From: "rv10flyer" Bonaco on mine. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. Fuselage Sec 46 Eng mount/Gear- 1359 hrs to date. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345243#345243 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:57 AM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack Tim, I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake line installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why did you loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install? Roger 40291 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Schlatterer To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack Bonoco will have the lines ready made for your make and model. Super quality with abrasion sleeving over braid. Using them on my 7 and love them. 50 hours and no apparent wear at all. Bill S 7a ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of E & T Andrews Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack Everyone, I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just outside the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the gear leg. I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after my flight and then went to investigate. On my previous flight, I had inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was evident... so the final failure must have occurred on my last flight. I am now planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with flexible hoses as per Tim's web page. For the last 18 months I have operated out of a grass airfield that I expect has contributed to the extra movement in the gear during taxi and landing etc. Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and if so what hose type did you use? Evan Andrews RV10 150hrs Flying ====== Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17870) http://www.pctools.com ======= href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:28 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack My original lines were flex too. I routed them in the loop because I wasn't thinking clearly and was being an idiot. It works fine, but with flex, you could just go down the leg and turn to the caliper. I did it to mimic the loop with the hard lines....which of course we now all know aren't holding up well. I've heard from quite a few folks with breaks in those hard lines, especially up near the fuselage for some reason. If you just order the standard bonaco lines you'll be fine. Don't be an idiot like me. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 7/7/2011 12:46 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > Tim, > I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake line > installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why did you > loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install? > Roger > 40291 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bill Schlatterer > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:01 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > Bonoco will have the lines ready made for your make and model. Super > quality with abrasion sleeving over braid. Using them on my 7 and > love them. 50 hours and no apparent wear at all. > Bill S > 7a > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *E & T > Andrews > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > Everyone, > I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just > outside the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the > gear leg. I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after > my flight and then went to investigate. On my previous flight, I had > inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was > evident... so the final failure must have occurred on my last > flight. I am now planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with > flexible hoses as per Tim's web page. For the last 18 months I have > operated out of a grass airfield that I expect has contributed to > the extra movement in the gear during taxi and landing etc. > Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and if > so what hose type did you use? > Evan Andrews > RV10 150hrs Flying > > > ====== > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17870) > http://www.pctools.com > > ====== > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:38 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack You're not an idiot you are an early adopter & pioneer. Robin Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack My original lines were flex too. I routed them in the loop because I wasn't thinking clearly and was being an idiot. It works fine, but with flex, you could just go down the leg and turn to the caliper. I did it to mimic the loop with the hard lines....which of course we now all know aren't holding up well. I've heard from quite a few folks with breaks in those hard lines, especially up near the fuselage for some reason. If you just order the standard bonaco lines you'll be fine. Don't be an idiot like me. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 7/7/2011 12:46 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > Tim, > I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake line > installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why did you > loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install? > Roger > 40291 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bill Schlatterer > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:01 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > Bonoco will have the lines ready made for your make and model. Super > quality with abrasion sleeving over braid. Using them on my 7 and > love them. 50 hours and no apparent wear at all. > Bill S > 7a > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *E & T > Andrews > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > Everyone, > I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just > outside the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the > gear leg. I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after > my flight and then went to investigate. On my previous flight, I had > inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was > evident... so the final failure must have occurred on my last > flight. I am now planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with > flexible hoses as per Tim's web page. For the last 18 months I have > operated out of a grass airfield that I expect has contributed to > the extra movement in the gear during taxi and landing etc. > Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and if > so what hose type did you use? > Evan Andrews > RV10 150hrs Flying > > > ====== > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17870) > http://www.pctools.com > > ====== > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:34 AM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack So you are recommending to forget the axle loop and go direct to the caliper with the Bonaco flex line? Do you know the length of the standard bonaco lines? I believe yours were 46" with the loop. Thank you! Roger 40291 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Olson To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:07 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > My original lines were flex too. I routed them in the loop because I wasn't thinking clearly and was being an idiot. It works fine, but with flex, you could just go down the leg and turn to the caliper. I did it to mimic the loop with the hard lines....which of course we now all know aren't holding up well. I've heard from quite a few folks with breaks in those hard lines, especially up near the fuselage for some reason. If you just order the standard bonaco lines you'll be fine. Don't be an idiot like me. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 7/7/2011 12:46 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > Tim, > I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake line > installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why did you > loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install? > Roger > 40291 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bill Schlatterer > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:01 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > Bonoco will have the lines ready made for your make and model. Super > quality with abrasion sleeving over braid. Using them on my 7 and > love them. 50 hours and no apparent wear at all. > Bill S > 7a > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *E & T > Andrews > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > Everyone, > I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just > outside the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the > gear leg. I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after > my flight and then went to investigate. On my previous flight, I had > inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was > evident... so the final failure must have occurred on my last > flight. I am now planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with > flexible hoses as per Tim's web page. For the last 18 months I have > operated out of a grass airfield that I expect has contributed to > the extra movement in the gear during taxi and landing etc. > Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and if > so what hose type did you use? > Evan Andrews > RV10 150hrs Flying > > > > > > ====== > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17870) > http://www.pctools.com > > > ====== > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-Listh ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-Listh ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:49 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack One of my original hard lines broke the other day at the caliper. I used a local hose shop to fab new flex lines since we were leaving on a trip and in a hurry. Definitely a weak spot. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > My original lines were flex too. I routed them in the loop > because I wasn't thinking clearly and was being an > idiot. It works fine, but with flex, you could just go down > the leg and turn to the caliper. I did it to mimic the > loop with the hard lines....which of course we now > all know aren't holding up well. I've heard from quite > a few folks with breaks in those hard lines, especially > up near the fuselage for some reason. > > If you just order the standard bonaco lines you'll be fine. > Don't be an idiot like me. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 7/7/2011 12:46 PM, Roger Standley wrote: >> >> Tim, >> I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake line >> installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why did you >> loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install? >> Roger >> 40291 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Bill Schlatterer >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:01 PM >> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack >> >> Bonoco will have the lines ready made for your make and model. Super >> quality with abrasion sleeving over braid. Using them on my 7 and >> love them. 50 hours and no apparent wear at all. >> Bill S >> 7a >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *E & T >> Andrews >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack >> >> Everyone, >> I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just >> outside the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the >> gear leg. I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after >> my flight and then went to investigate. On my previous flight, I had >> inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was >> evident... so the final failure must have occurred on my last >> flight. I am now planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with >> flexible hoses as per Tim's web page. For the last 18 months I have >> operated out of a grass airfield that I expect has contributed to >> the extra movement in the gear during taxi and landing etc. >> Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and if >> so what hose type did you use? >> Evan Andrews >> RV10 150hrs Flying >> >> >> >> >> >> ====== >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17870) >> http://www.pctools.com >> >> ====== >> >> * >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> * >> >> * >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:54 PM PST US From: "John Cumins" Subject: RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack Well I truly believe that one reason that Vans has so many solid line issues is the product they ship. I would never use 301 based lines in anything on an airplane. So I will order 5052 alum tubing for all my fluid lines I need to make and will for sure go with Branco flex lines for the lines on the gear legs and to the calipers. I have heard to darn many issues with vans tubing provided in the kits, from broken fuel lines to leaking fuel lines. I do not understand the going cheap on materials for a kit that has so much relying on it. Like peoples lives. Just my 2 cents worth John Cumins A&P should be a IA if I get off my butt. Wow 31 years now. 40864 Emp done Wings working on skins Sweeting in the 100 degree heat -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack --> One of my original hard lines broke the other day at the caliper. I used a local hose shop to fab new flex lines since we were leaving on a trip and in a hurry. Definitely a weak spot. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > My original lines were flex too. I routed them in the loop because I > wasn't thinking clearly and was being an idiot. It works fine, but > with flex, you could just go down the leg and turn to the caliper. I > did it to mimic the loop with the hard lines....which of course we now > all know aren't holding up well. I've heard from quite a few folks > with breaks in those hard lines, especially up near the fuselage for > some reason. > > If you just order the standard bonaco lines you'll be fine. > Don't be an idiot like me. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 7/7/2011 12:46 PM, Roger Standley wrote: >> >> Tim, >> I was looking at your website and noticed that your original brake >> line installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why >> did you loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install? >> Roger >> 40291 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Bill Schlatterer >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:01 PM >> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack >> >> Bonoco will have the lines ready made for your make and model. >> Super >> quality with abrasion sleeving over braid. Using them on my 7 and >> love them. 50 hours and no apparent wear at all. >> Bill S >> 7a >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *E & T >> Andrews >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack >> >> Everyone, >> I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines >> just >> outside the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the >> gear leg. I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side >> after >> my flight and then went to investigate. On my previous flight, I >> had >> inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was >> evident... so the final failure must have occurred on my last >> flight. I am now planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with >> flexible hoses as per Tim's web page. For the last 18 months I >> have >> operated out of a grass airfield that I expect has contributed to >> the extra movement in the gear during taxi and landing etc. >> Has anyone found any issues with use of flexible brake hoses and >> if >> so what hose type did you use? >> Evan Andrews >> RV10 150hrs Flying >> >> >> >> >> >> ====== >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17870) >> http://www.pctools.com >> >> ====== >> >> * >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron >> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com >> /c >> * >> >> * >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron >> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com >> /c >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:17 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack Yeah, I don't see the need for a loop if you're using flex. I don't know the standard length, but I'm sure they're shorter than mine. You could fabricate something similar to use as a model, but Bonaco knows the length you'd need so I'd just have them sell you the standard. I don't know the measurement on the standard ones. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD do not archive On 7/7/2011 1:38 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > So you are recommending to forget the axle loop and go direct to the > caliper with the Bonaco flex line? Do you know the length of the > standard bonaco lines? I believe yours were 46" with the loop. > Thank you! > Roger > 40291 > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Tim Olson > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > > > > My original lines were flex too. I routed them in the loop > because I wasn't thinking clearly and was being an > idiot. It works fine, but with flex, you could just go down > the leg and turn to the caliper. I did it to mimic the > loop with the hard lines....which of course we now > all know aren't holding up well. I've heard from quite > a few folks with breaks in those hard lines, especially > up near the fuselage for some reason. > > If you just order the standard bonaco lines you'll be fine. > Don't be an idiot like me. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > do not archive > > > On 7/7/2011 12:46 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > > Tim, > > I was looking at your website and noticed that your original > brake line > > installation went directly to the caliper. Did that work OK? Why > did you > > loop around the axle on your Bonaco line install? > > Roger > > 40291 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Bill Schlatterer > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:01 PM > > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > > > Bonoco will have the lines ready made for your make and model. Super > > quality with abrasion sleeving over braid. Using them on my 7 and > > love them. 50 hours and no apparent wear at all. > > Bill S > > 7a > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > > > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *E & T > > Andrews > > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* RV10-List: External Brake Lines - crack > > > > Everyone, > > I have found a fatigue crack in one of my external brake lines just > > outside the fuselage where the aluminium tube curves back to the > > gear leg. I noticed my brake fluid down on the left hand side after > > my flight and then went to investigate. On my previous flight, I had > > inspected the wheel region and pumped up the tires and no leak was > > evident... so the final failure must have occurred on my last > > flight. I am now planning to replace the solid aluminium tube with > > flexible hoses as per Tim's web page. 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Like Tim said they know exactly what you need. Everything fit fine on mine. The two hoses from copilot master cylinders to reservoir tee fitting were 1" too long but they still worked. +1 for 5052-O fuel/brake lines. Van's 3003-O is going to be hauled off for scrap this winter after flying. 5052-O would have broken too...it just takes twice as long. Back to wheel pants...oh I love fiberglass. At least the end is near as my pile of parts is getting real small. Ted Chang's BIG West trip on VAF has really got me motivated now. Looking forward to some cool fall test flying. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983 SB Started 12/1/09. Fuselage Sec 46 Eng mount/Gear- 1359 hrs to date. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345325#345325 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:15 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Inspiration - Ultimate Air-To-Air Shot... Fellow RVers, If you feeling like you needed a little inspiration on that RV project, check out the attached photo. What an awesome shot of a P-51 Mustang leading a flight of 7 RVs!! Totally cool! Makes me wish my RV-8 was rebuilt. 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