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1. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Big Sky Air Race (Scott Schmidt)
2. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: External Brake Lines - crack (John Cumins)
3. 04:58 PM - Interior lights (Strasnuts)
4. 05:21 PM - Re: Interior lights (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:22 PM - Re: Interior lights (Strasnuts)
6. 07:26 PM - Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: ATSB Transceiver... (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
8. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
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| Subject: | Re: Big Sky Air Race |
I really think my average speed was closer to 204mph for the race if we took out
the tailwind we had. The majority of the time my TAS was right around 177knots.
When we started the race we had a good tailwind going north and my GS was
around 230 mph and then southbound I dropped lower and didn't have the same headwind.
Either way I had not pushed the plane like that and measured my speeds. I am usually
just climbing up and setting a nice cruise power setting. I was actually
surprised at how the RV-10 compared with the -7's and -8's and there was one
Bonanza that was there that ran 1 mph faster than us.
I will forward the actual results.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:31 PM, Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Since I trained Sean in the RV-10 I would expect about the same results......we
were trying to decide who is the "wingman" while we were up there.
>
> No taping or anything. I flew the same as I do any day I fly. I even had my bags
and tools in the back.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 10, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
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>> I am stunned at how close you two are when considering ALL the variables. I
>> assume general piloting skills could make several MPH difference alone. What
>> that difference percentage wise a third of one percent?
>>>> Scott averaged 211.91 mph
>>>> Sean averaged 211.08 mph
>> Did you guys just go racing or did you tape up the gaps & seams. I assume
>> flying solo, low fuel and all that?
>>
>> As Bill would sign off
>>
>> Robin "dreaming of formation flight but love hearing about racing" Marks
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:36 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Big Sky Air Race
>>
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>> They had 3 or 4 spots setup with spotters and wouldn't tell us which ones
>> had them. They did a good job showing pictures of the turn sites and GPS
>> coordinates. Once we were flying we used the GPS for the track and
>> referenced the pics to get us over the right landmark. It made it easy.
>> Having TCAS was great to see exactly where the plane in front and behind
>> was. I passed an RV7 who was placed between Scott and me. Here is a link
>> to their website.
>>
>> http://bigskyairrace.org/BSAR/The_Race.html
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Saylor" <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Big Sky Air Race
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>>
>>> <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Sounds like fun. How do they judge the course? People on the ground?
>>> GPS trackers? I'm just wondering what strategy works best for the
>>> turns.
>>>
>>> Are there official rules somewhere?
>>>
>>> My wife flies the Hayward Air Rally every year. The rule book is
>>> pretty detailed.
>>>
>>> Dave Saylor
>>> AirCrafters
>>> 140 Aviation Way
>>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They updated the speeds from a miscalculation and now they are showing
>>>> Scott averaged 211.91 mph
>>>> Sean averaged 211.08 mph
>>>>
>>>> I thought second wasn't that bad until I realized Scott was the only
>>>> other one in my class!
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>>>> 40936
>>>> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
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| Subject: | Re: External Brake Lines - crack |
I believe that Vans is using poor quality tubing. In production aircraft
they use 5052 based alum tubing. Vans supplies 301 based soft tubing. So I
have decided to not use any tubing material from Vans and order all 5052
tubing that one can get a good flare on with out the worries of cracking
like the 301 based tubing.
I will use Teflon hosed with fire sleeve on all fluid hoses in the engine
compartment.
Just my 3 cents worth
John Cumins
President
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: External Brake Lines - crack
--> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
I think the decision ..... flex or hard ..... probably boiled down to weight
and cost, and the hard lines win on both counts.
Hard line failures on certified aircraft happen..... but mostly with many,
many hours on them. I have no data, but I'd bet money on the RV brake line
failures on poor flaring technique, or cheap equipment.
Scoring the tubing with the flaring tool clamp is just asking for a stress
fracture. For me it's really difficult to get a flare I'm happy with. I
had to clean up my Rolo-Flair dies because of marks on the tubing.
Linn
On 7/9/2011 11:56 PM, William Curtis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: William Curtis<wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
> Kelly,
>
>
> I beg to differ but in certified aircraft that I am familiar, (Cessna)
> flexible lines are used only where absolutely necessary. The
> preference by certified aircraft designers is to use hard lines as
> much as practicable if only so that there is no life limit on the
> line.
>
> This was driven home to me when I stood on the rear door of a C-17 and
> looked up at all the hydraulic plumbing. With all those movable parts
> and doors, NOT a single flexible line --not even at the actuators.
> Where the line required movement, solid lines with mechanical (banjo
> style) flexible fluid couplings were used. I took a picture of it but
> I have to find it.
>
> I know some Pipers use a short flexible line between their fuel tanks
> and the fuselage fuel coupling. However on the Cardinal that; when in
> doubt I ask "what would Cessna do" just as with Vans, flexible lines
> are kept to a minimum and used only where absolutely necessary.
>
> In the Cardinal fuel system, there are NO flexible lines. In the
> Cardinal electro-hydraulic gear system there are only four short
> flexible lines at the nose and main gear actuators. In the
> retractable gear Cardinal, the brake line in the main gear is a solid
> line. A the top of the RG brake line is a solid mechanical swivel
> fitting and only on the lower portion by the wheel is a short easily
> replaced flexible line used--remember this is a retractable gear
> aircraft.
>
> The point in all this is that hard lines ARE the standard in the
> certified and military world in most areas and flexible lines are the
> exception. Flexible lines are used only where hard lines are
> impractical or expensive such as the movable mechanical (banjo type)
> fluid connectors.
>
> Just an alternative $0.02.
>
> William
> N237VX
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:25, Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>>
>> Van's would consider adding flex lines about the same time as they
>> consider stocking the correct nose wheel. They won't change the nose
>> wheel even though the correct one is exactly the same price. Flex
>> lines could add over $100 to the cost, especially if you include flex
>> lines in place of the crummy nylon lines in the cabin. Somehow we
>> have been deluded into wanting durability similar to certified
>> aircraft................what a crazy idea.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, E& T Andrews<etandrews@westnet.com.au>
wrote:
>> Vans should consider including the
>>> flexible hose lines in the RV10 kit... has this been raised with
>>> Vans before?
>>>
>>> all the best
>>>
>>> Evan Andrews
>
>
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My dad and I made these rectangle LED lights for my RV-10. I may make them available
for sale but didn't know if there was a market for them. They should be
a lot cheaper than what's currently out there. I had mine hard anodized black.
I hooked them up on a dimmer and they work great. I have the small size
for the floor lights with 8 LED's and the large have 24.
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40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Interior lights |
Sean,
Your timing is impeccable. I am about to order the swivel lights that
you have, and was looking around for what to get for dome lights. I
would be interested in natural aluminum color anodizing. Black and
silver is probably plenty for choice. I didn't see a small size in
your photos.
Kelly
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Strasnuts <sean@braunandco.com> wrote:
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> My dad and I made these rectangle LED lights for my RV-10. I may make them available
for sale but didn't know if there was a market for them. They should be
a lot cheaper than what's currently out there. I had mine hard anodized black.
I hooked them up on a dimmer and they work great. I have the small size for
the floor lights with 8 LED's and the large have 24.
>
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> 40936
> RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345972#345972
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| Subject: | Re: Interior lights |
Kelly,
The first pic that is labeled Photo 3 is the 8 LED vs. the 24 bulb on the overhead
on the other pics. Are you going to OSH? I will be there!!!!!!
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40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month |
That brings to mind a whole number of things that required a mustache; door
pins, nose wheel, bulkhead cracks due to poor QC. I could go on but my poi
nt is the -10 is an awesome platform to build on but far from perfect. We
are building experimental aircraft, not factory clones so by all means, exp
eriment (within reason)!
Michael
Sent from my iPad2
On Jul 4, 2011, at 5:42 PM, "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com<mailto:
indigoonlatigo@msn.com>> wrote:
Way to go Dick!
Think of all the people who have wanted to put a mustache on the Mona Lisa!
Don't mess with DaVinci, Don't mess with Dick's creation.
Thanks William for posting this.
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Subject: RV10-List: Greg Hale is in Sport Aviation this month
From: <mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.com> wcurtis@nerv10.com<mailto:wcurtis@nerv10.
com>
st@matronics.com>
I don't do Facebook and so have previously ignored the Facebook icon on the
Van's homepage. I decided to take a look at what was out there and I see
Van's has a pretty pointed commentary on Greg's aircraft. The title of the
article is "WHAT PRICE MASTERPIECE?<http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-air
craft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883>"
<http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraft-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-
dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883>http://www.facebook.com/notes/vans-aircraf
t-inc/what-price-masterpiece-by-dick-vangrunsven/237594966250883
The article touches on a number of items, increased gross weight, seats, sh
oulder harness and additional fuel tanks in the wings. The additional fuel
in the wings is relevant to Matronics thread 75832<http://www.matronics.co
m/forums/viewtopic.php?t=78532>.
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| Subject: | Re: ATSB Transceiver... |
Matt,
What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it for some time
but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be permanently "under
development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
Sent from my iPad2
On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
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> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>
>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>
>
> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>
> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp
>
> Here's their main site:
>
> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>
> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>
> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
>
> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>
> Matt
>
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> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
I never understood why people seemed to generally avoid saying Jan's name when
referring to the engine builder. While dan made the vast majority of poor decisions
in this, Jan was right there beside him encouraging him to keep going.
I remember looking at eggenfellers RV-10 package at the same time as Dan so
we talked a fair amount early on. Neither one of us was a fan of using 1940s
technology in our modern aircraft. But as I poked and prodded Jans solution,
I became very apparent that this was a case of napkin engineering, he not only
couldn't explain why his performance numbers were changing almost weekly, but
I was banned from his user group for asking legitimate questions around the
performance. I was labeled a non-believer and exiled so to speak. So I went
with the safe bet and ordered a new IO540x from Barrett and have never had a
second thought.
Jan would never test his packages himself on aircraft, he refused to post performance
numbers other than ones he developed based on what it should do based
on automotive applications. He changed his design almost yearly and routinely
dropped support for his "legacy" products. His redrive was redesigned almost
as often and each time it was the best design, according to him, while leaving
owners of previous designs high and dry. And now he has pulled the ultimate
in dropping all support and responsibility for past solutions by starting a
new company and closing the old.
As you can tell I have a very low opinion of Jan, he loves to threaten and try
to intimidate if you don't believe what he is shoveling or question it in any
way. Sure there have been successful installs of his package but there appears
to be far more incomplete installations. Even his one time highest supporters
seemed to abandon him after months and years in delivery delays and failed
promises.
This is all my opinion and, In my opinion, Jan was a contributing factor in what
happened and is one of the sleaziest of businessmen out there with no ethics.
I hope karma bites him in the ass hard. Buyer be warned!
Sent from my iPad2
On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:00 AM, "woxofswa" <woxof@aol.com> wrote:
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> I joined the community right before this tragic accident.
>
> Rightly or wrongly, my impression after reading the article is to place more
blame on the engine packager than I previously felt.
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> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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