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1. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath (Bill Watson)
2. 09:46 AM - Re: Re: ATSB Transceiver... (Matt Dralle)
3. 10:23 AM - Engine Referral (N306PB)
4. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: ATSB Transceiver... (Jerald Folkerts)
5. 11:39 AM - Re: Engine Referral (Pascal)
6. 12:05 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Sean Stephens)
7. 12:30 PM - Re: Engine Referral (John Cumins)
8. 12:31 PM - Re: Engine Referral (DLM)
9. 12:51 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Robin Marks)
10. 01:01 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Pascal)
11. 01:14 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Pascal)
12. 01:24 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Phillip Perry)
13. 01:27 PM - Andair Fuel Pump & Filter (Michael Wellenzohn)
14. 01:34 PM - Re: Engine Referral (John Cumins)
15. 01:39 PM - Re: Engine Referral (John Cumins)
16. 01:59 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Pascal)
17. 02:05 PM - Re: Engine Referral (DLM)
18. 02:14 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Rhonda Bewley)
19. 02:20 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Seano)
20. 02:34 PM - Re: Engine Referral (sportflying@yahoo.com)
21. 04:14 PM - Re: Engine Referral (John Cox)
22. 04:30 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Kelly McMullen)
23. 05:34 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Robin Marks)
24. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: ATSB Transceiver... (Matt Dralle)
25. 05:59 PM - Re: Engine Referral (John Cox)
26. 07:31 PM - Re: Engine Referral (billz)
27. 07:32 PM - Re: Engine Referral (Kelly McMullen)
28. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Engine Referral (John Cox)
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| Subject: | Re: Flying Magazine/Dan Lloyd/Aftermath |
Intimidation is perhaps contagious? I don't know. I've never been
involved with the guy. I perhaps shook his hand at Osh that fateful
year... but then spent the rest of my first Osh trip listening to
stories about the guy (including Dan's).
I recognized the sleaze but noticed that people were either strong
'believers' or 'avoiders'. Ironically, people in both camps had been
burnt. Amazing. I'm actually a bit impressed by those who can do this
stuff that well.
He weaves a story we all want to respond to; "with all this fine
automotive engine technology, there has to be a cheaper more efficient
solution than a Lycosaur". Well yeah! Hell Yeah! Then he actually
develops and makes stuff... chips fly, pretty anodized parts are
fabricated, real aircraft are adapted.... all this makes him 'one of us'.
But his marketing and promotion skills tip over into the Svengali camp.
I just went on his Viking site and was transfixed. All this jumbled
content. Some of it broken, some of it not quite working, actually
showing very little, but all of it strangely compelling. Especially to
the person who wants to buy into the core story. I mean his comparative
thrust tests are right out of a carney show. The man knows how to push
buttons. And he makes a living at it I assume. The guy is a small
business entrepreneur, a hands on job creator, a hero!
"Putting information online is damaging to a small business and can end
up hurting the very support you need the most." Really? Have some of
this Kool-aid.
He's really good at stuff that will get the vulnerable in trouble. Run.
On 7/11/2011 11:04 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> I never understood why people seemed to generally avoid saying Jan's name
when referring to the engine builder. While dan made the vast majority of poor
decisions in this, Jan was right there beside him encouraging him to keep going.
I remember looking at eggenfellers RV-10 package at the same time as Dan
so we talked a fair amount early on. Neither one of us was a fan of using 1940s
technology in our modern aircraft. But as I poked and prodded Jans solution,
I became very apparent that this was a case of napkin engineering, he not
only couldn't explain why his performance numbers were changing almost weekly,
but I was banned from his user group for asking legitimate questions around
the performance. I was labeled a non-believer and exiled so to speak. So I went
with the safe bet and ordered a new IO540x from Barrett and have never had
a second thought.
>
> Jan would never test his packages himself on aircraft, he refused to post
performance numbers other than ones he developed based on what it should do based
on automotive applications. He changed his design almost yearly and routinely
dropped support for his "legacy" products. His redrive was redesigned almost
as often and each time it was the best design, according to him, while leaving
owners of previous designs high and dry. And now he has pulled the ultimate
in dropping all support and responsibility for past solutions by starting
a new company and closing the old.
>
> As you can tell I have a very low opinion of Jan, he loves to threaten and
try to intimidate if you don't believe what he is shoveling or question it in
any way. Sure there have been successful installs of his package but there appears
to be far more incomplete installations. Even his one time highest supporters
seemed to abandon him after months and years in delivery delays and failed
promises.
>
> This is all my opinion and, In my opinion, Jan was a contributing factor in
what happened and is one of the sleaziest of businessmen out there with no ethics.
I hope karma bites him in the ass hard. Buyer be warned!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ATSB Transceiver... |
Yes, I have three GRT HX EFIS's in the RV-8 (see attached pictures). According
to GRT, the Navworx transceiver should hook right up to the ARNIC interface and
go. Still haven't gotten my transciever from Navworx yet, though. I ordered
it on 6/10/2011 so its been over a month now... They did charge my credit
card, though... ;-/
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
At 07:41 PM 7/11/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
>
> What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it for some
time but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be permanently "under
development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
>
>Sent from my iPad2
>
>On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>>
>>
>> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>>
>> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp
>>
>> Here's their main site:
>>
>> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>>
>> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>>
>> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
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>> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>>
>> Matt
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As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an engine.
Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado contact me
privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been the most frustrating,
disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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| Subject: | Re: ATSB Transceiver... |
Matt,
What is the screen in the lower right corner? What are you driving
it with etc.?
Thanks,
Jerry Folkerts
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
Yes, I have three GRT HX EFIS's in the RV-8 (see attached pictures).
According to GRT, the Navworx transceiver should hook right up to the ARNIC
interface and go. Still haven't gotten my transciever from Navworx yet,
though. I ordered it on 6/10/2011 so its been over a month now... They did
charge my credit card, though... ;-/
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
At 07:41 PM 7/11/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
>Matt,
>
> What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it for
some time but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be
permanently "under development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
>
>Sent from my iPad2
>
>On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>> --> <kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>>
>>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>>
>>
>> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>>
>> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.
>> asp
>>
>> Here's their main site:
>>
>> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>>
>> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>>
>> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-
>> or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/2
>> 1-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
>>
>> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>>
>> Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
-----Original Message-----
From: N306PB
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to most I
hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
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> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an engine.
Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado contact me
privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been the most
frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
It could be options. I purchased the new certified IO540 from Vans in 2004
and it was drop shipped from Lycoming to my house. It remained in the crate
until install in 2007; I purchased the hartzell blended airfoil in 2007. No
problems with Vans, but if I wanted electronic ignition, it was not possible
because I had a certified engine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Stephens" <sean@stephensville.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
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>> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>>
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>> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>>
>>
>> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
>> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
>> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
>> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of
>> my entire RV-10 build.
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
Many do order form Vans but you are getting a Vanilla set up. With
specialized engine builders you get what you want including custom color,
chrome, Cold Induction etc... You can specify ignition style, preferred
starter and alternator that sort of thing. Often the $ differences are
minimal but these options can add up.
I am a fan of BPE as they have treated me and others I know exceptionally
well and build a heck of an engine with their decades of experience. These
days there are not that many really bad builders because word gets around
quickly. No reason to use an unknown builder as the savings can't be
that significant.
The prop is another story. You have to decide what you want to be swinging.
If it's the Hartzell BA prop then the Vans one time discounted price with
your kit purchase is probably the best deal. I'm not sure about other prop
pricing offered by Vans. I personally think the BA prop is by far the best
value/performance for the $.
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>wrote:
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
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> > America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
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> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
> >
> >
> > As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
> entire RV-10 build.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
I will tell you that I went the way I did because I researched narrow deck
versus wide deck and was told that narrow was a better core due to cracking.
So, by default new and Vans were removed from my options. I also have the
Eci cylinders, I was concerned with the issues they were having but was
assured that it was not an issue I would need to worry about. I hear I get
about another 2hp per cylinder going this way, I dont care about the power
just cost and reliability over the long run.
See what Vans offers for OSH, they usually have a great package when you buy
both prop and engine, $1000 off I believe.
I bought the prop from Vans BTW.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
> entire RV-10 build.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option. With
that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well for
such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to mention
that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
IO540.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of 5-6K.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
> deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
> Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
> special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
> For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
> someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
> the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option. With
> that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
> certified. BUT it is experimental.
> I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well for
> such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to mention
> that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
> than you were able to get it for.
> If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
> being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
> the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
> IO540.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
> engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks,
> like
> balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
> free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
> go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
> difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
> with full factory warranty.
>
> I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
> performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
>
>
> John Cumins
> 40864 Wings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@**matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-**server@matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
> On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>>
>>
>> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
>>
> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
> entire RV-10 build.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091>
>>
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| Subject: | Andair Fuel Pump & Filter |
Hi,
is anyone already flying with the Andair fuel pump & filter installation in the
RV-10? I wonder why there are two "return" lines in the original setup but in
the Andair setup only the internal pump return line.
Any ideas?
Cheers
Mike
--------
RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring)
#511
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The thunderbolt is not a certified engine it comes from there custom shop
non certified. It was basically the sam3e price as BPE and the Company from
Canada. I want all new parts and BPI cannot due a new 10540 only rebuilds
since Lycoming will not see the new engines as a kit any more.
Yes all company's were offering a OSH discount so when one is ready to order
OSH is the place to buy that's for sure.
John Cumins
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option. With
that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well for
such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to mention
that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
IO540.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for
> an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>
>
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Also when one purchases a core for 6-8k then rebuilds it, which I can do my
self since I am a a&p, and have done a few. The cost difference used ver
new is not that much difference. And I am putting all new equipment in my
-10 so going used on the engine did not get past the auditor (wife). She
was firm about going all new. And I have to agree,
John Cumins
40864 Wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of 5-6K.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option. With
that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well for
such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to mention
that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
IO540.
-----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
-----Original Message----- From: N306PB
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
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Must be me than.. but I just looked and the difference is as follows:
Thunderbolt website-
Base Price: YIO-540-D4A5
Fuel System:
Injected
Aerobatic Kit:
No
Horsepower:
260
Displacement (Cubic Inches):
540
Stock Compression Ratio:
8.5:1
Cylinder Type:
Parallel Valve
$49,500.00
Vans Website:
Experimental IO-540 260HP (RV-10 only)
Part Number = EA XIO-540-D4A5 RT
Price = $42300.00
IO-540 260HP (RV-10 only)
Part Number = EA IO-540-D4A5 RT
Price = $46050.00
This looks about the same as it was when I was researching the engines.
I can only imagine that if one calls Thunderbolt the difference is less
than?
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of 5-6K.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any
airshow deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000
more than the Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I
throw in the airshow special of $1000 off package that gets up there
even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but
for someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental
when the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an
option. With that said I have most of this in my engine for far less
than a Vans certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as
well for such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I
need to mention that they may be surprised to see the price difference
being a little more than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence
only being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price
was about the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a
simple vanilla IO540.
-----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a
stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my
bucks, like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp
for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I
would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx.
$1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally
brand new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality
and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean
Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
<sean@stephensville.com>
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as
to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or
something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
-----Original Message----- From: N306PB
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for
an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of
Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them
has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience
of my
entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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As an expatriate living/working outside the USA for 16 years, I would
caution anyone doing business outside their country boundaries. If you want
history just check the problems getting Crossflow firewall forward engines
in the USA after they have been paid to the company in Canada. Legal action
across state boundaries is nothing compared to another country's legal
system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
> The thunderbolt is not a certified engine it comes from there custom shop
> non certified. It was basically the sam3e price as BPE and the Company
> from
> Canada. I want all new parts and BPI cannot due a new 10540 only rebuilds
> since Lycoming will not see the new engines as a kit any more.
>
> Yes all company's were offering a OSH discount so when one is ready to
> order
> OSH is the place to buy that's for sure.
>
>
> John Cumins
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
> deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than the
> Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airshow
> special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
> For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but for
> someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental when
> the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an option.
> With
> that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a Vans
> certified. BUT it is experimental.
> I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well
> for
> such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to
> mention
> that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a little more
> than you were able to get it for.
> If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
> being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was about
> the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple vanilla
> IO540.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Cumins
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stock
> engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks,
> like
> balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp for
> free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I would
> go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
> difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand
> new
> with full factory warranty.
>
> I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality and
> performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
>
>
> John Cumins
> 40864 Wings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>>
>>
>> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for
>> an
> engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my
> entire RV-10 build.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Although we cannot offer new engines anymore because of the end of our
contractual agreement with Lycoming, I can tell you that an overhauled
IO-540 built in this configuration to factory new limits, including new
cylinders, starter, mags, and new fuel injection currently costs $10,000
less than the Thunderbolt option.
I understand that Lycoming very recently passed on a substantial price
increase to their remaining "kit" engine shops. That may be where the
difference is seen between a new engine from a custom builder and
Thunderbolt or Van's assembly line factory engine.
For you new factory engine owners, you might be advised to check Service
Bulletin 240U, in which Lycoming requires the replacement of roller
tappets at prop strike, and they are not cheap. Ouch!
Rhonda Barrett-Bewley
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
Must be me than.. but I just looked and the difference is as follows:
Thunderbolt website-
Base Price: YIO-540-D4A5
Fuel System:
Injected
Aerobatic Kit:
No
Horsepower:
260
Displacement (Cubic Inches):
540
Stock Compression Ratio:
8.5:1
Cylinder Type:
Parallel Valve
$49,500.00
Vans Website:
Experimental IO-540 260HP (RV-10 only)
Part Number = EA XIO-540-D4A5 RT
Price = $42300.00
IO-540 260HP (RV-10 only)
Part Number = EA IO-540-D4A5 RT
Price = $46050.00
This looks about the same as it was when I was researching the engines.
I can only imagine that if one calls Thunderbolt the difference is less
than?
From: Phillip Perry <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of 5-6K.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than
the Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the
airshow special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but
for someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental
when the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an
option. With that said I have most of this in my engine for far less
than a Vans certified. BUT it is experimental.
I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well
for such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to
mention that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a
little more than you were able to get it for.
If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was
about the same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple
vanilla IO540.
-----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a
stock
engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for my bucks,
like
balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 hp
for
free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I
would
go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. $1000-2000
difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand
new
with full factory warranty.
I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality
and
performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
John Cumins
40864 Wings
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as to
most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or something
else?
Sean #40303
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
America's in Oklahoma, on the other hand, has been first rate.
-----Original Message----- From: N306PB
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an
engine. Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of
Colorado
contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them
has
been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of
my
entire RV-10 build.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346091#346091
arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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So far I have been really happy with my Aerosport Power IO-540-N1A5
Almost 50 hours on it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2011, at 12:17, "N306PB" <wrathbun@ihtw.com> wrote:
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for an engine.
Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colorado contact me
privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them has been the most
frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of my entire RV-10 build.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
Now John, you are just trying to curry favor with
Rhonda..................she is on to your schtick already. ;-))
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:11 PM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> Has anyone mentioned a rebuilt Barrett is often better than a brand new
> factory built VANS. It just might have one less rebuild in its lifecycle
> but the tolerances are great. New engines are also prone to "Break-In".
A
> Pre-delivery dyno run, now that sets builders apart. Airshow performers
are
> a good benchmark for pilots who know engines and hang their lives on the
> engine and prop blades. Do research. Get what you pay for.****
>
> ** **
>
> John****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *sportflying@yahoo.co
m
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:31 PM
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ** **
>
> Barrett builds great engines ****
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@bpaengines.com> ****
>
> *Sender: *owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ****
>
> *Date: *Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:20:07 -0500****
>
> *To: *<rv10-list@matronics.com>****
>
> *ReplyTo: *rv10-list@matronics.com ****
>
> *Subject: *RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ** **
>
> Although we cannot offer new = engines anymore because of the end of ou
r
> contractual agreement with Lycoming, I = can tell you that an overhaule
d
> IO-540 built in this configuration to = factory new limits, including n
ew
> cylinders, starter, mags, and new fuel injection currently costs $10,000
> less than the Thunderbolt = option.****
>
> ****
>
> I understand that Lycoming very = recently passed on a substantial pric
e
> increase to their remaining = =9Ckit=9D engine shops. That
may be where the
> difference is seen between a = new engine from a custom builder and
> Thunderbolt or Van=99s assembly = line factory engine.****
>
> ****
>
> For you new factory engine owners, = you might be advised to check Serv
ice
> Bulletin 240U, in which Lycoming = requires the replacement of roller
> tappets at prop strike, and they are not cheap. = Ouch!****
>
> ****
>
> Rhonda = Barrett-Bewley****
>
> Barrett Precision Engines, = Inc.****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com = [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, = 2011 3:55 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: = Engine Referral****
>
> ****
>
> Must be me = than.. but I just looked and the difference is as = foll
ows:*
> ***
>
> Thunderbolt = website- ****
>
> *Base = Price: **YIO-540-D4A5** = *****
>
> *Fuel = System:*****
>
> Injected****
>
> *Aerobatic = Kit:*****
>
> No****
>
> *Horsepower:*****
>
> 260****
>
> *Displacement (Cubic Inches):*****
>
> 540****
>
> *Stock = Compression Ratio:*****
>
> 8.5:1<= /font>****
>
> *Cylinder = Type:*****
>
> Parallel = Valve****
>
> $49,500.00****
>
> ****
>
> Vans = Website:****
>
> *Experimental IO-540 260HP (RV-10 = only)*
> Part Number =3D EA XIO-540-D4A5 = RT
> Price =3D = $42300.00 ****
>
> ****
>
> *IO-540 260HP (RV-10 = only)*
> Part Number =3D EA IO-540-D4A5 = RT
> Price =3D = $46050.00 ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> This looks = about the same as it was when I was researching the engine
s.*
> ***
>
> I can only = imagine that if one calls Thunderbolt the difference is le
ss
> than?****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* Phillip Perry ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July = 12, 2011 1:21 PM****
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com ****
>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ****
>
> I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of = 5-6K.****
>
> On Tue, Jul = 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote
:**
> **
>
>
> I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
> deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than th
e
> Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airsho
w
> special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
> For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but
> for someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental
> when the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an optio
n.
> With = that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a V
ans
> certified. BUT it is experimental.
> I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well
> for such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to
> mention that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a
> little = more than you were able to get it for.
> If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
> being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was abou
t
> the = same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple van
illa
> = IO540.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stoc
k
> engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for = my buck
s,
> like
> balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 = h
p
> for
> free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I
> would
> go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. = $1000-2
000
> difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand
> new
> with full factory warranty.
>
> I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality =
and
> performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
>
>
> John Cumins
> 40864 Wings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as =
to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or = someth
ing
> else?
>
> Sean #40303
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:****
>
> --> = RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net>
>
> America's in = Oklahoma, on = the other hand, has been first rate.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> As Oshkosh approaches I am sure there are some out there looking for =
an*
> ***
>
> engine. = Should you be tempted by the New Firewall Forward out of Colo
rado
> contact me privately for a referral. In a nutshell, dealing with them =
has
> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of
> my
> entire RV-10 build.****
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3D346091#34= 6091
>
>
> ****
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
I paid for extra bench running time with BPE so as to leave some of the
break-in to the professionals well before first flight. So far so good.
Robin
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:11 PM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> Has anyone mentioned a rebuilt Barrett is often better than a brand new
> factory built VANS. It just might have one less rebuild in its lifecycle
> but the tolerances are great. New engines are also prone to "Break-In".
A
> Pre-delivery dyno run, now that sets builders apart. Airshow performers
are
> a good benchmark for pilots who know engines and hang their lives on the
> engine and prop blades. Do research. Get what you pay for.****
>
> ** **
>
> John****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *sportflying@yahoo.co
m
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:31 PM
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ** **
>
> Barrett builds great engines ****
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@bpaengines.com> ****
>
> *Sender: *owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com ****
>
> *Date: *Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:20:07 -0500****
>
> *To: *<rv10-list@matronics.com>****
>
> *ReplyTo: *rv10-list@matronics.com ****
>
> *Subject: *RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ** **
>
> Although we cannot offer new = engines anymore because of the end of ou
r
> contractual agreement with Lycoming, I = can tell you that an overhaule
d
> IO-540 built in this configuration to = factory new limits, including n
ew
> cylinders, starter, mags, and new fuel injection currently costs $10,000
> less than the Thunderbolt = option.****
>
> ****
>
> I understand that Lycoming very = recently passed on a substantial pric
e
> increase to their remaining = =9Ckit=9D engine shops. That
may be where the
> difference is seen between a = new engine from a custom builder and
> Thunderbolt or Van=99s assembly = line factory engine.****
>
> ****
>
> For you new factory engine owners, = you might be advised to check Serv
ice
> Bulletin 240U, in which Lycoming = requires the replacement of roller
> tappets at prop strike, and they are not cheap. = Ouch!****
>
> ****
>
> Rhonda = Barrett-Bewley****
>
> Barrett Precision Engines, = Inc.****
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com = [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 12, = 2011 3:55 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: = Engine Referral****
>
> ****
>
> Must be me = than.. but I just looked and the difference is as = foll
ows:*
> ***
>
> Thunderbolt = website- ****
>
> *Base = Price: **YIO-540-D4A5** = *****
>
> *Fuel = System:*****
>
> Injected****
>
> *Aerobatic = Kit:*****
>
> No****
>
> *Horsepower:*****
>
> 260****
>
> *Displacement (Cubic Inches):*****
>
> 540****
>
> *Stock = Compression Ratio:*****
>
> 8.5:1<= /font>****
>
> *Cylinder = Type:*****
>
> Parallel = Valve****
>
> $49,500.00****
>
> ****
>
> Vans = Website:****
>
> *Experimental IO-540 260HP (RV-10 = only)*
> Part Number =3D EA XIO-540-D4A5 = RT
> Price =3D = $42300.00 ****
>
> ****
>
> *IO-540 260HP (RV-10 = only)*
> Part Number =3D EA IO-540-D4A5 = RT
> Price =3D = $46050.00 ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> This looks = about the same as it was when I was researching the engine
s.*
> ***
>
> I can only = imagine that if one calls Thunderbolt the difference is le
ss
> than?****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> *From:* Phillip Perry ****
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July = 12, 2011 1:21 PM****
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com ****
>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral****
>
> ****
>
> I'm seeing $1,500 - $2,000 too. Nothing in the range of = 5-6K.****
>
> On Tue, Jul = 12, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote
:**
> **
>
>
> I wonder how you did so well to get it within $2000? Without any airshow
> deals, it was like $3000 more for certified, and about $6000 more than th
e
> Vans experimental when I researched this option. if I throw in the airsho
w
> special of $1000 off package that gets up there even more.
> For $2000, there is no doubt Thunderbolt engines is the way to go, but
> for someone like me that couldn't care if it's certified or experimental
> when the rest of my aircraft is experimental, $7000 more was not an optio
n.
> With = that said I have most of this in my engine for far less than a V
ans
> certified. BUT it is experimental.
> I support the decision you made, and I would have considered it as well
> for such a small amount, but for someone looking for an engine I need to
> mention that they may be surprised to see the price difference being a
> little = more than you were able to get it for.
> If anyone is wondering Vans offers the engines at OEM prices, hence only
> being able to get one per builder number. I discovered the price was abou
t
> the = same a some rebuilds out there. It's a good deal for a simple van
illa
> = IO540.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: John Cumins
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I did a lot of research while I was at OSH last year. If I wanted a stoc
k
> engine new I would go Vans route. Since I want the most for = my buck
s,
> like
> balancing to less then a gram, port and flow matching approx 30-40 = h
p
> for
> free, and light weight started, and Air Performance Fuel Injection I
> would
> go with a Lycombing Thunder custom built engine. For approx. = $1000-2
000
> difference in price from Vans, I get a lot more and it is totally brand
> new
> with full factory warranty.
>
> I looked at all vendors and build a spreadsheet and dollar to quality =
and
> performance and being 100% new Thunder is hard to Beat.
>
>
> John Cumins
> 40864 Wings
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 12:02 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Referral
>
>
> I'm about to the point of ordering engine and prop and was curious as =
to
> most I hear not ordering from Vans. Is it price or service or = someth
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> else?
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> Sean #40303
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:****
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> America's in = Oklahoma, on = the other hand, has been first rate.
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> -----Original Message----- From: N306PB
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Engine Referral
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> been the most frustrating, disappointing, and infuriating experience of
> my
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| Subject: | Re: ATSB Transceiver... |
That's a Kenwood DNX-8120 Indash car entertainment system:
http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/2008_Car_Entertainment/DNX8120
I've got the Garmin GPS map up on the display in those pictures. Attached are
a few pictures of some of the other displays. The output on the display including
the Garmin GPS map is also shown on the 7" LCD screen in the pilot's headrest
that the passenger can see. There's also a review cam mounted at the top
of the display in the headrest to give me a check-six view of the passenger.
The Garmin GPS map display nice for passengers that aren't necessarily airplane
savvy. It also shows the altitude and ground speed. I like having the Garmin
map up front too as a cross reference to the GRT mapping. Also, the Garmin
shows Airport names instead of the dopey 4-letter IDs! :-)
On the Kenwood, I've got a 128GB and a 64GB USB thumb drives plugged in and they
contain my whole MP3 music library! It also has XM Radio, HD digital AM/FM,
and plays DVDs. The audio output is mixed through a PS Engineering 3000 intercom
and then into Bose X (upgraded to A20s) NR headphones. The audio is pretty
awesome. Very clear and easy to understand.
By the way, I just got the UPS shipping notification from NavWorx (7/12/2011) on
the ADS-B Transceiver so it took a little over a month from the order to the
shipping. FYI.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
At 10:25 AM 7/12/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>Matt,
> What is the screen in the lower right corner? What are you driving
>it with etc.?
>Thanks,
>Jerry Folkerts
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:43 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: ATSB Transceiver...
>
>
>Yes, I have three GRT HX EFIS's in the RV-8 (see attached pictures).
>According to GRT, the Navworx transceiver should hook right up to the ARNIC
>interface and go. Still haven't gotten my transciever from Navworx yet,
>though. I ordered it on 6/10/2011 so its been over a month now... They did
>charge my credit card, though... ;-/
>
>Matt
>
>
>At 07:41 PM 7/11/2011 Monday, you wrote:
>>--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>>Matt,
>>
>> What are you using this with GRT's gear? I've been considering it for
>some time but the interface to the Advanced Flight gear seems to be
>permanently "under development" so I'm stuck with my 496 for weather.
>>
>>Sent from my iPad2
>>
>>On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:30 PM, "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> At 02:07 PM 7/3/2011 Sunday, you wrote:
>>>> --> <kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>>>
>>>> Have been thinking about doing the same. Are you going with navworx?
>>>
>>>
>>> I ordered the ADS600-B unit from NavWorx:
>>>
>>> <http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.asp>http://www.navworx.com/ads600-b.
>>> asp
>>>
>>> Here's their main site:
>>>
>>> <http://www.navworx.com/index.asp>http://www.navworx.com/index.asp
>>>
>>> They're not exactly cheap. Here's the price list:
>>>
>>> <http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/21-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600->> or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx>http://navworx.americommerce.com/store/c/2
>>> 1-Buy-Your-NavWorx-ADS600-or-PADS600-Online-Now.aspx
>>>
>>> I also ordered it with the WIFI module and the ARINC-429 for fun.
>>>
>>> Matt
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
I've just gone through all the decisions about an engine for my RV-10 and settled
on a Thunderbolt from Lycoming. There are many quality field facilities to
go to, but the price and value lead me to the Thunderbolt. The price was only
a little more than the stock OEM engine, but had the added internal component
balancing, cylinder volumetric balancing and port and polish intake and exhaust
chambers. They are providing the AirFlow Performance injector system, configured
to my spec.
I had many conflicting thoughts concerning engine break-in. I even considered
buying a used engine, run it for a couple of hundred hours then have it overhauled.
I decided to go with extra run-time in the Lycoming test cell. It's only
an extra $200 to have a total of 5 hrs test cell time. This should get me
through the worst of the break-in concerns. I'm having the engine prepared for
long term storage with desiccant plugs and preservation oil in the crankcase
and cylinders. (This was included for free.) This should provide protection
during installation, cowl fitting, etc. I was able to delay delivery and hold
the current price ($43K) for delivery next June, when I expect to be ready for
it. Lycoming will deliver the engine anywhere in the CONUS for a flat $199.
I can't drive there and back for less than that! If anyone is seriously interested
in a Thunderbolt, call Jeff at Lycoming (the Thunderbolt guy) and see
if he will honor that price. The price only changed in the last few days.
Anyway this what I decided to do. Everyone should do what works best for them.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346162#346162
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
Also makes for safer first flight, when you don't have to rush things
worrying about glazing rings, etc.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:54 PM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for chiming in. When calculating comparable engine costs, The value of
a solid break-in can often help with other factors to reach TBO with the rings
and related components.
>
>
> John
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Referral |
Bill, the choice of AirFlow Performance is a solid one. Be sure and
research their "balancing their injectors" instructions. If you have
time, their Carolina hospitality is wonderful and the twice a year
training school well worth the time invested. Bring your aircraft!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of billz
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 7:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine Referral
I've just gone through all the decisions about an engine for my RV-10
and settled on a Thunderbolt from Lycoming. There are many quality
field facilities to go to, but the price and value lead me to the
Thunderbolt. The price was only a little more than the stock OEM
engine, but had the added internal component balancing, cylinder
volumetric balancing and port and polish intake and exhaust chambers.
They are providing the AirFlow Performance injector system, configured
to my spec.
I had many conflicting thoughts concerning engine break-in. I even
considered buying a used engine, run it for a couple of hundred hours
then have it overhauled. I decided to go with extra run-time in the
Lycoming test cell. It's only an extra $200 to have a total of 5 hrs
test cell time. This should get me through the worst of the break-in
concerns. I'm having the engine prepared for long term storage with
desiccant plugs and preservation oil in the crankcase and cylinders.
(This was included for free.) This should provide protection during
installation, cowl fitting, etc. I was able to delay delivery and hold
the current price ($43K) for delivery next June, when I expect to be
ready for it. Lycoming will deliver the engine anywhere in the CONUS
for a flat $199. I can't drive there and back for less than that! If
anyone is seriously interested in a Thunderbolt, call Jeff at Lycoming
(the Thunderbolt guy) and see if he will honor that price. The price
only change!
d in the last few days.
Anyway this what I decided to do. Everyone should do what works best
for them.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346162#346162
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