Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:58 AM - Re: Spacers under windows (Rodger Todd)
2. 06:18 AM - FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Tim Olson)
3. 11:19 AM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Dave Saylor)
4. 11:27 AM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Seano)
5. 11:34 AM - Oshkosh Connections (Jeff Carpenter)
6. 11:46 AM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (John J)
7. 12:06 PM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (tsts4)
8. 12:25 PM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Bill Watson)
9. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Phillip Perry)
10. 12:54 PM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (John Cumins)
11. 01:09 PM - Re: OSH camp conditions report (Ron B.)
12. 01:58 PM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Scott Schmidt)
13. 01:58 PM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
14. 02:37 PM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Dave Saylor)
15. 02:55 PM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (treading@comcast.net)
16. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: OSH camp conditions report (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: OSH camp conditions report (Tim Olson)
18. 07:33 PM - Re: Oshkosh Connections (David Leikam)
19. 08:44 PM - Oshkosh Cookout (Steve Roberts)
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| Subject: | Re: Spacers under windows |
Thanks very much,
-
Rodger
--- On Sun, 17/7/11, g.combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> wrote:
From: g.combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
Rodger I will check into this and let you know.-
Geoff
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 16, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Rodger Todd <rj_todd@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Geoff,
-
Where can we overseas types get Lord adhesives; their website doesn't provi
de that info?
-
Many thanks,
-
Rodger
In storm cast Oz
--- On Fri, 15/7/11, g.combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> wrote:
From: g.combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
Phil acetone is very bad for acrylic.
I would avoid the Weld on and use
Lord -urethane adhesive. Stronger than
Weld on and you get a longer cure time
And you can clean the oozing off with
Enamel reducer. Ppg dt 870 is what
I used. Will not hurt the acrylic
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Jul 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the feedback.- One last question.
What can I use to wipe off wet Weld-on?- I'm thinking I'll wipe the oozin
g off with acetone on the interior and exterior sides.
Is there something that works better?
Phil
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
The purpose of the spacers is to fill a gap. Sounds like that is not your i
ssue. Leave it I say!
-
-
From: Phillip Perry
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Spacers under windows
-
I guess everyone used spacers - huh??
:)
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Phil Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
Life got in the way for a bit but I'm back on track building and airplane a
gain.......
Curious to know how many people installed washers under their plexiglas at
the time they were installed.- Mine sit proud enough as it is and I'd rea
lly prefer not to use them if possible.- Any results from those who didn'
t use them and how long have you been flying?
Hope to catch some of you at Osh this year....
Phil
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| Subject: | FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
in the proceeding number field.
This is something that affects us all, in a huge way,
so If you care anything about your navigation using
GPS, just take the time to at least put in some small
comment regarding the situation. Perhaps explain
that GPS is of so great core importance that no
broadband internet or any other service should be
allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS coverage.
Tim
=====
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X
AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now
The Aircraft Electronics Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding --
GPS users to actively participate in defending GPS from the potential
interference of proposed wireless broadband services. AEA's concern is a
reaction to the efforts of a company called LightSquared, which is
seeking to construct a nationwide infrastructure to support wireless
broadband on radio frequencies adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have
shown that implementation of the system can cause interference with GPS
and the FCC is seeking public feedback on those results. Toward that
end, AEA has provided guidelines and advice for delivering your message
to the FCC prior to the agency's looming deadline.
To access the FCC's electronic Comments Filing System, click here. Find
the box that says "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll then be
required to enter identifying information into the form and add your
comments. AEA encourages commenters to supply information on how they
use GPS and what would happen if GPS became unavailable or unreliable.
AEA suggests including comments that state LightSquared's operations and
GPS are fundamentally incompatible and the FCC should order LightSquared
out of the frequency currently being considered for use. AEA stipulates
that wireless capacity is important, but says it should not come at the
expense of GPS, "which is critical to our country's economy." While the
issue is clearly important to pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS is
an important, if not vital, resource for a wide range of users ranging
far beyond pilots and the military, to drivers and life-saving
activities. The deadline for comments is July 30.
---------------------------------------------
GPS A Side Issue In High-Stakes Broadband Battle
Although the FCC's rulemaking process is nowhere near finished on the
LightSquared/GPS issue, LightSquared's multi-billion-dollar business
plan appears to be unaffected by the nagging details of regulatory
approval and the potential destruction of the GPS system. According to
CNET, Sprint, Nextel and LightSquared are about to announce a
blockbuster partnership that will allow Sprint to migrate its service to
the Long Term Evolution (LTE) broadband service that LightSquared is
offering and is apparently the next big thing in wireless. In exchange,
LightSquared gets the use of the 40,000 cell towers (remember those
40,000 towers?) that Sprint already owns for a rental fee of about $2
billion a year. What's significant for those who care about GPS in all
of this is that the interference that's been clearly demonstrated is a
side issue in high-stakes intrigue that may alter the broadband services
landscape considerably.
The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that hedge fund
guru Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business hasn't gone
through normal channels and that the political impetus will make it hard
to stop. According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging about the deal to
investors in his Harbinger Capital Partners fund that the deal was done
on June 15. That was the date LightSquared was supposed to have
submitted a report to the FCC regarding potential interference with GPS
but instead asked for an extension. By early July, the report had been
submitted and it was clear that interference was an issue but
LightSquared answered in news releases that it would alter its plans to
minimize GPS interference. Meanwhile, the FCC is taking comments on the
LightSquared proposal.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
I just submitted a comment. It took about 5 minutes. Guys, we all
need to doing this. Pass it on, too.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
> Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
> in the proceeding number field.
>
> This is something that affects us all, in a huge way,
> so If you care anything about your navigation using
> GPS, just take the time to at least put in some small
> comment regarding the situation. Perhaps explain
> that GPS is of so great core importance that no
> broadband internet or any other service should be
> allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS coverage.
> Tim
> =====
>
>
> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X
>
>
> AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now
>
> The Aircraft Electronics Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding -- GPS
> users to actively participate in defending GPS from the potential
> interference of proposed wireless broadband services. AEA's concern is a
> reaction to the efforts of a company called LightSquared, which is seeking
> to construct a nationwide infrastructure to support wireless broadband on
> radio frequencies adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have shown that
> implementation of the system can cause interference with GPS and the FCC is
> seeking public feedback on those results. Toward that end, AEA has provided
> guidelines and advice for delivering your message to the FCC prior to the
> agency's looming deadline.
>
> To access the FCC's electronic Comments Filing System, click here. Find the
> box that says "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll then be required
> to enter identifying information into the form and add your comments. AEA
> encourages commenters to supply information on how they use GPS and what
> would happen if GPS became unavailable or unreliable. AEA suggests including
> comments that state LightSquared's operations and GPS are fundamentally
> incompatible and the FCC should order LightSquared out of the frequency
> currently being considered for use. AEA stipulates that wireless capacity is
> important, but says it should not come at the expense of GPS, "which is
> critical to our country's economy." While the issue is clearly important to
> pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS is an important, if not vital,
> resource for a wide range of users ranging far beyond pilots and the
> military, to drivers and life-saving activities. The deadline for comments
> is July 30.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> GPS A Side Issue In High-Stakes Broadband Battle
>
> Although the FCC's rulemaking process is nowhere near finished on the
> LightSquared/GPS issue, LightSquared's multi-billion-dollar business plan
> appears to be unaffected by the nagging details of regulatory approval and
> the potential destruction of the GPS system. According to CNET, Sprint,
> Nextel and LightSquared are about to announce a blockbuster partnership that
> will allow Sprint to migrate its service to the Long Term Evolution (LTE)
> broadband service that LightSquared is offering and is apparently the next
> big thing in wireless. In exchange, LightSquared gets the use of the 40,000
> cell towers (remember those 40,000 towers?) that Sprint already owns for a
> rental fee of about $2 billion a year. What's significant for those who care
> about GPS in all of this is that the interference that's been clearly
> demonstrated is a side issue in high-stakes intrigue that may alter the
> broadband services landscape considerably.
>
> The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that hedge fund guru
> Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business hasn't gone through
> normal channels and that the political impetus will make it hard to stop.
> According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging about the deal to investors in
> his Harbinger Capital Partners fund that the deal was done on June 15. That
> was the date LightSquared was supposed to have submitted a report to the FCC
> regarding potential interference with GPS but instead asked for an
> extension. By early July, the report had been submitted and it was clear
> that interference was an issue but LightSquared answered in news releases
> that it would alter its plans to minimize GPS interference. Meanwhile, the
> FCC is taking comments on the LightSquared proposal.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
Submitted mine!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:57, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just submitted a comment. It took about 5 minutes. Guys, we all
> need to doing this. Pass it on, too.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>> The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
>> Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
>> in the proceeding number field.
>>
>> This is something that affects us all, in a huge way,
>> so If you care anything about your navigation using
>> GPS, just take the time to at least put in some small
>> comment regarding the situation. Perhaps explain
>> that GPS is of so great core importance that no
>> broadband internet or any other service should be
>> allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS coverage.
>> Tim
>> =====
>>
>>
>> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X
>>
>>
>> AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now
>>
>> The Aircraft Electronics Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding -- GPS
>> users to actively participate in defending GPS from the potential
>> interference of proposed wireless broadband services. AEA's concern is a
>> reaction to the efforts of a company called LightSquared, which is seeking
>> to construct a nationwide infrastructure to support wireless broadband on
>> radio frequencies adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have shown that
>> implementation of the system can cause interference with GPS and the FCC is
>> seeking public feedback on those results. Toward that end, AEA has provided
>> guidelines and advice for delivering your message to the FCC prior to the
>> agency's looming deadline.
>>
>> To access the FCC's electronic Comments Filing System, click here. Find the
>> box that says "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll then be required
>> to enter identifying information into the form and add your comments. AEA
>> encourages commenters to supply information on how they use GPS and what
>> would happen if GPS became unavailable or unreliable. AEA suggests including
>> comments that state LightSquared's operations and GPS are fundamentally
>> incompatible and the FCC should order LightSquared out of the frequency
>> currently being considered for use. AEA stipulates that wireless capacity is
>> important, but says it should not come at the expense of GPS, "which is
>> critical to our country's economy." While the issue is clearly important to
>> pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS is an important, if not vital,
>> resource for a wide range of users ranging far beyond pilots and the
>> military, to drivers and life-saving activities. The deadline for comments
>> is July 30.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> GPS A Side Issue In High-Stakes Broadband Battle
>>
>> Although the FCC's rulemaking process is nowhere near finished on the
>> LightSquared/GPS issue, LightSquared's multi-billion-dollar business plan
>> appears to be unaffected by the nagging details of regulatory approval and
>> the potential destruction of the GPS system. According to CNET, Sprint,
>> Nextel and LightSquared are about to announce a blockbuster partnership that
>> will allow Sprint to migrate its service to the Long Term Evolution (LTE)
>> broadband service that LightSquared is offering and is apparently the next
>> big thing in wireless. In exchange, LightSquared gets the use of the 40,000
>> cell towers (remember those 40,000 towers?) that Sprint already owns for a
>> rental fee of about $2 billion a year. What's significant for those who care
>> about GPS in all of this is that the interference that's been clearly
>> demonstrated is a side issue in high-stakes intrigue that may alter the
>> broadband services landscape considerably.
>>
>> The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that hedge fund guru
>> Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business hasn't gone through
>> normal channels and that the political impetus will make it hard to stop.
>> According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging about the deal to investors in
>> his Harbinger Capital Partners fund that the deal was done on June 15. That
>> was the date LightSquared was supposed to have submitted a report to the FCC
>> regarding potential interference with GPS but instead asked for an
>> extension. By early July, the report had been submitted and it was clear
>> that interference was an issue but LightSquared answered in news releases
>> that it would alter its plans to minimize GPS interference. Meanwhile, the
>> FCC is taking comments on the LightSquared proposal.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Oshkosh Connections |
I will be at Oshkosh (my first time) 7/29-7/31 and would like to meet
as many of you attending (and see as many finished 10's) as I can. In
that spirit, I'd like to collect as many phone numbers as you all are
willing to give up (off list or on list as you prefer). My number is
626-622-7716.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
(Looks like I'm gonna get this thing done)
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| Subject: | FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
Done...
John J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference
I just submitted a comment. It took about 5 minutes. Guys, we all
need to doing this. Pass it on, too.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
I submitted a comment as well.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346904#346904
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
Done. Thanks.
On 7/18/2011 9:14 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
> Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
> in the proceeding number field.
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
Ditto
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM, tsts4 <tsts4@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I submitted a comment as well.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346904#346904
>
>
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| Subject: | FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
Comment Submitted
John Cumins
President
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference
The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole Lightsquared mess.
Here's the link, and you enter 11-109 in the proceeding number field.
This is something that affects us all, in a huge way, so If you care
anything about your navigation using GPS, just take the time to at least put
in some small comment regarding the situation. Perhaps explain that GPS is
of so great core importance that no broadband internet or any other service
should be allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS coverage.
Tim
=====
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X
AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now
The Aircraft Electronics Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding -- GPS
users to actively participate in defending GPS from the potential
interference of proposed wireless broadband services. AEA's concern is a
reaction to the efforts of a company called LightSquared, which is seeking
to construct a nationwide infrastructure to support wireless broadband on
radio frequencies adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have shown that
implementation of the system can cause interference with GPS and the FCC is
seeking public feedback on those results. Toward that end, AEA has provided
guidelines and advice for delivering your message to the FCC prior to the
agency's looming deadline.
To access the FCC's electronic Comments Filing System, click here. Find the
box that says "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll then be required
to enter identifying information into the form and add your comments. AEA
encourages commenters to supply information on how they use GPS and what
would happen if GPS became unavailable or unreliable.
AEA suggests including comments that state LightSquared's operations and GPS
are fundamentally incompatible and the FCC should order LightSquared out of
the frequency currently being considered for use. AEA stipulates that
wireless capacity is important, but says it should not come at the expense
of GPS, "which is critical to our country's economy." While the issue is
clearly important to pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS is an
important, if not vital, resource for a wide range of users ranging far
beyond pilots and the military, to drivers and life-saving activities. The
deadline for comments is July 30.
---------------------------------------------
GPS A Side Issue In High-Stakes Broadband Battle
Although the FCC's rulemaking process is nowhere near finished on the
LightSquared/GPS issue, LightSquared's multi-billion-dollar business plan
appears to be unaffected by the nagging details of regulatory approval and
the potential destruction of the GPS system. According to CNET, Sprint,
Nextel and LightSquared are about to announce a blockbuster partnership that
will allow Sprint to migrate its service to the Long Term Evolution (LTE)
broadband service that LightSquared is offering and is apparently the next
big thing in wireless. In exchange, LightSquared gets the use of the 40,000
cell towers (remember those
40,000 towers?) that Sprint already owns for a rental fee of about $2
billion a year. What's significant for those who care about GPS in all of
this is that the interference that's been clearly demonstrated is a side
issue in high-stakes intrigue that may alter the broadband services
landscape considerably.
The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that hedge fund guru
Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business hasn't gone through
normal channels and that the political impetus will make it hard to stop.
According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging about the deal to investors in
his Harbinger Capital Partners fund that the deal was done on June 15. That
was the date LightSquared was supposed to have submitted a report to the FCC
regarding potential interference with GPS but instead asked for an
extension. By early July, the report had been submitted and it was clear
that interference was an issue but LightSquared answered in news releases
that it would alter its plans to minimize GPS interference. Meanwhile, the
FCC is taking comments on the LightSquared proposal.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: OSH camp conditions report |
Thanks Tim
Yes I think we plan on camping with out RV-10. I've never stayed overnight while
at Oshkosh. I think we miss out on meeting a lot of people. I'm going to Oshkosh
this year to hopefully meet with guy's like you and others I corresponded
with on the various forums. I just received news that a prior commitment has
been postponed so I can leave whenever I want now. What day would you suggest
we arrive in order to get a half decent site and avoid the masses in arrival.
Thanks Ron
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
I know next to nothing about this other than reading a couple of articles.
- When I first read it my initial thought was that there was absolutely n
o way the government or the FCC would allow them to operate if it affected
on person's GPS.- Doing a quick search brought up the following articles
which supports that as well.- I can imagine that this system will be util
ized in big cities first and if a GPS did not work for cars or airplanes on
e time, they would be sued, and shut down immediately by so many companies
and the government.- I will submit something as well but I think if it go
es live next year and interrupts GPS, we won't have to say anything.- =0A
=0AIt is amazing though how much they have invested so far.- It says $9.2
B has been invested into this company and it is all at risk if they cannot
figure this out. =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2011/04/Policy-a
nd-Industry-LightSquared-GPS-Interference-Senators-Letter-Government/=0A=0A
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/06/06/not-good-initial-tests-lightsquareds-n
etwork-shows-knocks-out-gps/=0A-=0AScott Schmidt=0ACell 801-718-1277=0Asc
ottmschmidt@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A>From:
Seano <sean@braunandco.com>=0A>To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@ma
tronics.com>=0A>Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 12:23 PM=0A>Subject: Re: RV10-L
ist: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference=0A>=0A>--> RV
10-List message posted by: Seano <sean@braunandco.com>=0A>=0A>Submitted min
e!=0A>=0A>Sent from my iPhone=0A>=0A>On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:57, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>> --> RV10-List message p
osted by: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>=0A>> =0A>> I just
submitted a comment.- It took about 5 minutes.- Guys, we all=0A>> need
to doing this.- Pass it on, too.=0A>> =0A>> Dave Saylor=0A>> AirCrafters
=0A>> 140 Aviation Way=0A>> Watsonville, CA 95076=0A>> 831-722-9141 Shop=0A
>> 831-750-0284 Cell=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:14 AM
Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>=0A>>> =0A>>> The FCC has an open comment period
now for this whole=0A>>> Lightsquared mess.- Here's the link, and you ent
er 11-109=0A>>> in the proceeding number field.=0A>>> =0A>>> This is someth
ing that affects us all, in a huge way,=0A>>> so If you care anything about
your navigation using=0A>>> GPS, just take the time to at least put in som
e small=0A>>> comment regarding the situation.- Perhaps explain=0A>>> tha
t GPS is of so great core importance that no=0A>>> broadband internet or an
y other service should be=0A>>> allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS co
verage.=0A>>> Tim=0A>>> =======0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> http://fjall
foss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>
> AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now=0A>>> =0A>>> The Aircraft Electronic
s Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding -- GPS=0A>>> users to actively
participate in defending GPS from the potential=0A>>> interference of prop
osed wireless broadband services. AEA's concern is a=0A>>> reaction to the
efforts of a company called LightSquared, which is seeking=0A>>> to constru
ct a nationwide infrastructure to support wireless broadband on=0A>>> radio
frequencies adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have shown that=0A>>> imp
lementation of the system can cause interference with GPS and the FCC is=0A
>>> seeking public feedback on those results. Toward that end, AEA has prov
ided=0A>>> guidelines and advice for delivering your message to the FCC pri
or to the=0A>>> agency's looming deadline.=0A>>> =0A>>> To access the FCC's
electronic Comments Filing System, click here. Find the=0A>>> box that say
s "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll then be required=0A>>> to ent
er identifying information into the form and add your comments. AEA=0A>>> e
ncourages commenters to supply information on how they use GPS and what=0A>
>> would happen if GPS became unavailable or unreliable. AEA suggests inclu
ding=0A>>> comments that state LightSquared's operations and GPS are fundam
entally=0A>>> incompatible and the FCC should order LightSquared out of the
frequency=0A>>> currently being considered for use. AEA stipulates that wi
reless capacity is=0A>>> important, but says it should not come at the expe
nse of GPS, "which is=0A>>> critical to our country's economy." While the i
ssue is clearly important to=0A>>> pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS
is an important, if not vital,=0A>>> resource for a wide range of users ran
ging far beyond pilots and the=0A>>> military, to drivers and life-saving a
ctivities. The deadline for comments=0A>>> is July 30.=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>>
---------------------------------------------=0A>>> =0A>>> GPS A Side Issue
In High-Stakes Broadband Battle=0A>>> =0A>>> Although the FCC's rulemaking
process is nowhere near finished on the=0A>>> LightSquared/GPS issue, Ligh
tSquared's multi-billion-dollar business plan=0A>>> appears to be unaffecte
d by the nagging details of regulatory approval and=0A>>> the potential des
truction of the GPS system. According to CNET, Sprint,=0A>>> Nextel and Lig
htSquared are about to announce a blockbuster partnership that=0A>>> will a
llow Sprint to migrate its service to the Long Term Evolution (LTE)=0A>>> b
roadband service that LightSquared is offering and is apparently the next
=0A>>> big thing in wireless. In exchange, LightSquared gets the use of the
40,000=0A>>> cell towers (remember those 40,000 towers?) that Sprint alrea
dy owns for a=0A>>> rental fee of about $2 billion a year. What's significa
nt for those who care=0A>>> about GPS in all of this is that the interferen
ce that's been clearly=0A>>> demonstrated is a side issue in high-stakes in
trigue that may alter the=0A>>> broadband services landscape considerably.
=0A>>> =0A>>> The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that he
dge fund guru=0A>>> Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business has
n't gone through=0A>>> normal channels and that the political impetus will
make it hard to stop.=0A>>> According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging abo
ut the deal to investors in=0A>>> his Harbinger Capital Partners fund that
the deal was done on June 15. That=0A>>> was the date LightSquared was supp
osed to have submitted a report to the FCC=0A>>> regarding potential interf
erence with GPS but instead asked for an=0A>>> extension. By early July, th
e report had been submitted and it was clear=0A>>> that interference was an
issue but LightSquared answered in news releases=0A>>> that it would alter
its plans to minimize GPS interference. Meanwhile, the=0A>>> FCC is taking
comments on the LightSquared proposal.=0A>>> =0A>>> --=0A>>> Tim Olson - R
V-10 N104CD=0A>>> do not archive=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
==========0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
I submitted one.
Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent from my Apple iPad
On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just submitted a comment. It took about 5 minutes. Guys, we all
> need to doing this. Pass it on, too.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>> The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
>> Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
>> in the proceeding number field.
>>
>> This is something that affects us all, in a huge way,
>> so If you care anything about your navigation using
>> GPS, just take the time to at least put in some small
>> comment regarding the situation. Perhaps explain
>> that GPS is of so great core importance that no
>> broadband internet or any other service should be
>> allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS coverage.
>> Tim
>> =====
>>
>>
>> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X
>>
>>
>> AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now
>>
>> The Aircraft Electronics Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding -- GPS
>> users to actively participate in defending GPS from the potential
>> interference of proposed wireless broadband services. AEA's concern is a
>> reaction to the efforts of a company called LightSquared, which is seeking
>> to construct a nationwide infrastructure to support wireless broadband on
>> radio frequencies adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have shown that
>> implementation of the system can cause interference with GPS and the FCC is
>> seeking public feedback on those results. Toward that end, AEA has provided
>> guidelines and advice for delivering your message to the FCC prior to the
>> agency's looming deadline.
>>
>> To access the FCC's electronic Comments Filing System, click here. Find the
>> box that says "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll then be required
>> to enter identifying information into the form and add your comments. AEA
>> encourages commenters to supply information on how they use GPS and what
>> would happen if GPS became unavailable or unreliable. AEA suggests including
>> comments that state LightSquared's operations and GPS are fundamentally
>> incompatible and the FCC should order LightSquared out of the frequency
>> currently being considered for use. AEA stipulates that wireless capacity is
>> important, but says it should not come at the expense of GPS, "which is
>> critical to our country's economy." While the issue is clearly important to
>> pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS is an important, if not vital,
>> resource for a wide range of users ranging far beyond pilots and the
>> military, to drivers and life-saving activities. The deadline for comments
>> is July 30.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> GPS A Side Issue In High-Stakes Broadband Battle
>>
>> Although the FCC's rulemaking process is nowhere near finished on the
>> LightSquared/GPS issue, LightSquared's multi-billion-dollar business plan
>> appears to be unaffected by the nagging details of regulatory approval and
>> the potential destruction of the GPS system. According to CNET, Sprint,
>> Nextel and LightSquared are about to announce a blockbuster partnership that
>> will allow Sprint to migrate its service to the Long Term Evolution (LTE)
>> broadband service that LightSquared is offering and is apparently the next
>> big thing in wireless. In exchange, LightSquared gets the use of the 40,000
>> cell towers (remember those 40,000 towers?) that Sprint already owns for a
>> rental fee of about $2 billion a year. What's significant for those who care
>> about GPS in all of this is that the interference that's been clearly
>> demonstrated is a side issue in high-stakes intrigue that may alter the
>> broadband services landscape considerably.
>>
>> The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that hedge fund guru
>> Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business hasn't gone through
>> normal channels and that the political impetus will make it hard to stop.
>> According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging about the deal to investors in
>> his Harbinger Capital Partners fund that the deal was done on June 15. That
>> was the date LightSquared was supposed to have submitted a report to the FCC
>> regarding potential interference with GPS but instead asked for an
>> extension. By early July, the report had been submitted and it was clear
>> that interference was an issue but LightSquared answered in news releases
>> that it would alter its plans to minimize GPS interference. Meanwhile, the
>> FCC is taking comments on the LightSquared proposal.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
The scary part about it is that LS said that our GPSs aren't
adequately shielded, which is hard for me to believe, but the public
might buy it. If "inadequate shielding" gains any traction, then I
see it going back to FCC who certified the stuff in the first place.
No way are they going to shut down the whole GPS system but I see
retrofits and upgrades for someone to pay for.
Do Not Archive
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know next to nothing about this other than reading a couple of articles.
> When I first read it my initial thought was that there was absolutely no way
> the government or the FCC would allow them to operate if it affected on
> person's GPS. Doing a quick search brought up the following articles which
> supports that as well. I can imagine that this system will be utilized in
> big cities first and if a GPS did not work for cars or airplanes one time,
> they would be sued, and shut down immediately by so many companies and the
> government. I will submit something as well but I think if it goes live
> next year and interrupts GPS, we won't have to say anything.
> It is amazing though how much they have invested so far. It says $9.2B has
> been invested into this company and it is all at risk if they cannot figure
> this out.
>
> http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2011/04/Policy-and-Industry-LightSquared-GPS-Interference-Senators-Letter-Government/
> http://www.intomobile.com/2011/06/06/not-good-initial-tests-lightsquareds-network-shows-knocks-out-gps/
>
> Scott Schmidt
> Cell 801-718-1277
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
> ________________________________
> From: Seano <sean@braunandco.com>
> To: "rv10-list@matronics.com" <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS
> interference
>
>
> Submitted mine!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:57, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
>>
>> I just submitted a comment. It took about 5 minutes. Guys, we all
>> need to doing this. Pass it on, too.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
>>> Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
>>> in the proceeding number field.
>>>
>>> This is something that affects us all, in a huge way,
>>> so If you care anything about your navigation using
>>> GPS, just take the time to at least put in some small
>>> comment regarding the situation. Perhaps explain
>>> that GPS is of so great core importance that no
>>> broadband internet or any other service should be
>>> allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS coverage.
>>> Tim
>>> =====
>>>
>>>
>>> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X
>>>
>>>
>>> AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now
>>>
>>> The Aircraft Electronics Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding --
>>> GPS
>>> users to actively participate in defending GPS from the potential
>>> interference of proposed wireless broadband services. AEA's concern is a
>>> reaction to the efforts of a company called LightSquared, which is
>>> seeking
>>> to construct a nationwide infrastructure to support wireless broadband on
>>> radio frequencies adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have shown that
>>> implementation of the system can cause interference with GPS and the FCC
>>> is
>>> seeking public feedback on those results. Toward that end, AEA has
>>> provided
>>> guidelines and advice for delivering your message to the FCC prior to the
>>> agency's looming deadline.
>>>
>>> To access the FCC's electronic Comments Filing System, click here. Find
>>> the
>>> box that says "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll then be
>>> required
>>> to enter identifying information into the form and add your comments. AEA
>>> encourages commenters to supply information on how they use GPS and what
>>> would happen if GPS became unavailable or unreliable. AEA suggests
>>> including
>>> comments that state LightSquared's operations and GPS are fundamentally
>>> incompatible and the FCC should order LightSquared out of the frequency
>>> currently being considered for use. AEA stipulates that wireless capacity
>>> is
>>> important, but says it should not come at the expense of GPS, "which is
>>> critical to our country's economy." While the issue is clearly important
>>> to
>>> pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS is an important, if not vital,
>>> resource for a wide range of users ranging far beyond pilots and the
>>> military, to drivers and life-saving activities. The deadline for
>>> comments
>>> is July 30.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> GPS A Side Issue In High-Stakes Broadband Battle
>>>
>>> Although the FCC's rulemaking process is nowhere near finished on the
>>> LightSquared/GPS issue, LightSquared's multi-billion-dollar business plan
>>> appears to be unaffected by the nagging details of regulatory approval
>>> and
>>> the potential destruction of the GPS system. According to CNET, Sprint,
>>> Nextel and LightSquared are about to announce a blockbuster partnership
>>> that
>>> will allow Sprint to migrate its service to the Long Term Evolution (LTE)
>>> broadband service that LightSquared is offering and is apparently the
>>> next
>>> big thing in wireless. In exchange, LightSquared gets the use of the
>>> 40,000
>>> cell towers (remember those 40,000 towers?) that Sprint already owns for
>>> a
>>> rental fee of about $2 billion a year. What's significant for those who
>>> care
>>> about GPS in all of this is that the interference that's been clearly
>>> demonstrated is a side issue in high-stakes intrigue that may alter the
>>> broadband services landscape considerably.
>>>
>>> The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that hedge fund
>>> guru
>>> Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business hasn't gone through
>>> normal channels and that the political impetus will make it hard to stop.
>>> According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging about the deal to investors
>>> in
>>> his Harbinger Capital Partners fund that the deal was done on June 15.
>>> That
>>> was the date LightSquared was supposed to have submitted a report to the
>>> FCC
>>> regarding potential interference with GPS but instead asked for an
>>> extension. By early July, the report had been submitted and it was clear
>>> that interference was an issue but LightSquared answered in news releases
>>> that it would alter its plans to minimize GPS interference. Meanwhile,
>>> the
>>> FCC is taking comments on the LightSquared proposal.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> the Matronics List Features Navigator to
>> //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
>> target="_blank">http://www.matronbsp; -Matt .com/contribution"
>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution<============
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
I submitted one,Thanks for making it easier.
Tom Reading
N775TR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Brunkenhoefer" <robertbrunk@me.com>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:55:39 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference
I submitted one.
Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent from my Apple iPad
On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just submitted a comment. It took about 5 minutes. Guys, we all
> need to doing this. Pass it on, too.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>> The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
>> Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
>> in the proceeding number field.
>>
>> This is something that affects us all, in a huge way,
>> so If you care anything about your navigation using
>> GPS, just take the time to at least put in some small
>> comment regarding the situation. Perhaps explain
>> that GPS is of so great core importance that no
>> broadband internet or any other service should be
>> allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS coverage.
>> Tim
>> ======
>>
>>
>> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X
>>
>>
>> AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now
>>
>> The Aircraft Electronics Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding -- GPS
>> users to actively participate in defending GPS from the potential
>> interference of proposed wireless broadband services. AEA's concern is a
>> reaction to the efforts of a company called LightSquared, which is seeking
>> to construct a nationwide infrastructure to support wireless broadband on
>> radio frequencies adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have shown that
>> implementation of the system can cause interference with GPS and the FCC is
>> seeking public feedback on those results. Toward that end, AEA has provided
>> guidelines and advice for delivering your message to the FCC prior to the
>> agency's looming deadline.
>>
>> To access the FCC's electronic Comments Filing System, click here. Find the
>> box that says "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll then be required
>> to enter identifying information into the form and add your comments. AEA
>> encourages commenters to supply information on how they use GPS and what
>> would happen if GPS became unavailable or unreliable. AEA suggests including
>> comments that state LightSquared's operations and GPS are fundamentally
>> incompatible and the FCC should order LightSquared out of the frequency
>> currently being considered for use. AEA stipulates that wireless capacity is
>> important, but says it should not come at the expense of GPS, "which is
>> critical to our country's economy." While the issue is clearly important to
>> pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS is an important, if not vital,
>> resource for a wide range of users ranging far beyond pilots and the
>> military, to drivers and life-saving activities. The deadline for comments
>> is July 30.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> GPS A Side Issue In High-Stakes Broadband Battle
>>
>> Although the FCC's rulemaking process is nowhere near finished on the
>> LightSquared/GPS issue, LightSquared's multi-billion-dollar business plan
>> appears to be unaffected by the nagging details of regulatory approval and
>> the potential destruction of the GPS system. According to CNET, Sprint,
>> Nextel and LightSquared are about to announce a blockbuster partnership that
>> will allow Sprint to migrate its service to the Long Term Evolution (LTE)
>> broadband service that LightSquared is offering and is apparently the next
>> big thing in wireless. In exchange, LightSquared gets the use of the 40,000
>> cell towers (remember those 40,000 towers?) that Sprint already owns for a
>> rental fee of about $2 billion a year. What's significant for those who care
>> about GPS in all of this is that the interference that's been clearly
>> demonstrated is a side issue in high-stakes intrigue that may alter the
>> broadband services landscape considerably.
>>
>> The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that hedge fund guru
>> Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business hasn't gone through
>> normal channels and that the political impetus will make it hard to stop.
>> According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging about the deal to investors in
>> his Harbinger Capital Partners fund that the deal was done on June 15. That
>> was the date LightSquared was supposed to have submitted a report to the FCC
>> regarding potential interference with GPS but instead asked for an
>> extension. By early July, the report had been submitted and it was clear
>> that interference was an issue but LightSquared answered in news releases
>> that it would alter its plans to minimize GPS interference. Meanwhile, the
>> FCC is taking comments on the LightSquared proposal.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH camp conditions report |
Hopefully the overall weather improves. North of OSH we've had severe thunderstorms,
some tornados, high 90's with humidity near 100% the last couple days
and the heat index is supposed to be in the 115 range this week. Of course last
week it was in the 70's and I had my windows open and the AC shut down. No
flooding though, that was a few weeks back. :)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron B.
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: OSH camp conditions report
Thanks Tim
Yes I think we plan on camping with out RV-10. I've never stayed overnight while
at Oshkosh. I think we miss out on meeting a lot of people. I'm going to Oshkosh
this year to hopefully meet with guy's like you and others I corresponded
with on the various forums. I just received news that a prior commitment has
been postponed so I can leave whenever I want now. What day would you suggest
we arrive in order to get a half decent site and avoid the masses in arrival.
Thanks Ron
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346915#346915
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| Subject: | Re: OSH camp conditions report |
It really is brutal up here where I am right now, with humidity
about as high as it can get without actually raining, along with
mid-90's for temps. The good news is the forecast was revised
so that over the weekend it's the high 80's instead of 90's,
and next week sunny and high 70's. So if the forecast can just
hold out, it could be a superb week for the show.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 7/18/2011 7:07 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael
> Sausen)"<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Hopefully the overall weather improves. North of OSH we've had
> severe thunderstorms, some tornados, high 90's with humidity near
> 100% the last couple days and the heat index is supposed to be in the
> 115 range this week. Of course last week it was in the 70's and I
> had my windows open and the AC shut down. No flooding though, that
> was a few weeks back. :)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron B.
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 3:07 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: OSH camp conditions report
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Ron B."<ronbelliveau@eastlink.ca>
>
> Thanks Tim Yes I think we plan on camping with out RV-10. I've never
> stayed overnight while at Oshkosh. I think we miss out on meeting a
> lot of people. I'm going to Oshkosh this year to hopefully meet with
> guy's like you and others I corresponded with on the various forums.
> I just received news that a prior commitment has been postponed so I
> can leave whenever I want now. What day would you suggest we arrive
> in order to get a half decent site and avoid the masses in arrival.
> Thanks Ron
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=346915#346915
>
>
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It will be a bit warmer than when you came to visit my project Jeff ;-)
David Leikam
RV10
Flying
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On Jul 18, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:
>
> I will be at Oshkosh (my first time) 7/29-7/31 and would like to meet as many
of you attending (and see as many finished 10's) as I can. In that spirit, I'd
like to collect as many phone numbers as you all are willing to give up (off
list or on list as you prefer). My number is 626-622-7716.
>
> Jeff Carpenter
> 40304
> (Looks like I'm gonna get this thing done)
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Are there any plans to get together for a cookout this year? We will be
there all week staying over by the museum.
Last year's cookouts were great but I know a tremendous amount of effort
went into them.
Perhaps we could make it BYO everything including food and chairs if we had
a grill available and a place/time to meet.
Steve Roberts
RV-10 Tailkit
1966 Mooney M20E 'Ms. Obsession' KMOR Morristown TN
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