---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/28/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:04 AM - FAA and AD notices (John Cox) 2. 06:55 AM - Re: FAA and AD notices (Kelly McMullen) 3. 12:57 PM - Re: FAA and AD notices (John Gonzalez) 4. 12:57 PM - 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer (Michael Wellenzohn) 5. 03:38 PM - Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer (Dave Saylor) 6. 04:05 PM - Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer (orchidman) 7. 04:55 PM - Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer (maca2790) 8. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer (Linn Walters) 9. 09:53 PM - Re: Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: FAA and AD notices From: "John Cox" Some time today, Dorinda Baker from the Head FAA legal office will make a formal announcement clarifying the subject of AD notices and whether they affect Experimental Builders. The answer has always been under contention. The Legal Eagles will retain the right to assert ADs for public safety but the answer is going to be official. NO & Yes, No AD notes will not be required to be complied with by Experimental Builders. The FAA is staying out of the fray. Yes, if that builder installs an Certified Engine and wants to keep his/her options open to sell it in the future as a "Certified", then owners of certified need to keep & maintain compliance. For those who wanted to hear NO - "its coming". For others who deal with maintaining a Certified Engine/Prop or Appliance.... they will need to read between the lines and continue to comply with issued ADs to the Certificated Airframe Manufacturers requirements. Don't ya just love the new and leaner FAA. John Cox #40600 from the ground & behind the scenes at OSH '11 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: FAA and AD notices From: Kelly McMullen Even trickier will be avionics, some of which have ADs, when said avionics are used to comply with requirements for IFR, for ADS-B, transponder and ELTs...items that must perform to a TSO and probably can't if the AD isn't complied with. Would you really want to operate an engine that has an AD against the crank even if you were experimental? As good as they are, electronic ignition systems may contribute to crank and prop stresses by their precise firing, or maybe they help by eliminating some randomness in the firing. So one always has to pay attention to ADs and make a very careful analysis of whether it may affect the safety of your engine, even if you might not technically have to comply. As always, some will focus on the technical legality, rather than their own safety. By the same token, I have never understood the mentality of some in the FAA that seem to think that an engine has to be kept continuously in certified condition for it to go on a certified aircraft. As soon as all the parts on it conform to the engine type certificate, it is tested to perform to rated specs, it is certified, no matter what parts were attached to it previously. After all, it never was more than a collection of parts that had a data plate attached to one of the parts. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:59 AM, John Cox wrote: > Some time today, Dorinda Baker from the Head FAA legal office will make a > formal announcement clarifying the subject of AD notices and whether they > affect Experimental Builders. The answer has always been under contention. > The Legal Eagles will retain the right to assert ADs for public safety but > the answer is going to be official. NO & Yes, No AD notes will not be > required to be complied with by Experimental Builders. The FAA is staying > out of the fray. Yes, if that builder installs an Certified Engine and > wants to keep his/her options open to sell it in the future as a > "Certified", then owners of certified need to keep & maintain compliance. > > For those who wanted to hear NO - "its coming". For others who deal with > maintaining a Certified Engine/Prop or Appliance.... they will need to read > between the lines and continue to comply with issued ADs to the Certificated > Airframe Manufacturers requirements. > > Don't ya just love the new and leaner FAA. > > John Cox #40600 from the ground & behind the scenes at OSH '11 > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:23 PM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: FAA and AD notices Yes=2C same old ambiguity=2C but what about having=2C NO FAA. Fly at your own risk. Build at your own risk. Certified or experimental. No certified engines or certified anything for that matter. Buy at your own risk. Simply rely on the economic laws of manufacture's reputation. Let's see which engine company or aircraft manufacturer has killed fewer pe ople? Some how the internet says the cause of all accidents was due to pilot erro r. Who wrote those posts=2C not sure=2C but it could be the manufacturer...no =2C nothing like that ever happens! Does it? Internet is gospel...the truth=2C if it is written=2C it is true=2C right! Somalia is a nice place to live because they have no government. Awesome pl ace! Why was America the best place to live? Why is it still the best place to live? >From 1' AGL to 18=2C000' MSL it is still the best place for me to live. At least for today=2C next week=2C who knows? It is a mystery. Subject: RV10-List: FAA and AD notices From: johnwcox@pacificnw.com Some time today=2C Dorinda Baker from the Head FAA legal office will make a formal announcement clarifying the subject of AD notices and whether they affect Experimental Builders. The answer has always been under contention. The Legal Eagles will retain the right to assert ADs for public safety bu t the answer is going to be official. NO & Yes=2C No AD notes will not be required to be complied with by Experimental Builders. The FAA is staying out of the fray. Yes=2C if that builder installs an Certified Engine and w ants to keep his/her options open to sell it in the future as a "Certified" =2C then owners of certified need to keep & maintain compliance. For those who wanted to hear NO - "its coming". For others who deal with m aintaining a Certified Engine/Prop or Appliance.... they will need to read between the lines and continue to comply with issued ADs to the Certificate d Airframe Manufacturers requirements. Don't ya just love the new and leaner FAA. John Cox #40600 from the ground & behind the scenes at OSH '11 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:23 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Hello For those who installed the redcube fuel transducer which comes with AFS did you manage to allow a straight line 5in before and after the redcube. If not do you still have accurate readings of fuel flow? Cheers Michael -------- RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347945#347945 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:02 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer Make the inlets and outlets as straight as you can but I've seen 90s screwed into each end and it still worked fine. IIRC the outlet is the most critical. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > Hello > For those who installed the redcube fuel transducer which comes with AFS did you manage to allow a straight line 5in before and after the redcube. If not do you still have accurate readings of fuel flow? > > Cheers > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (interior,avionics, wiring) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347945#347945 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer From: "orchidman" And put it between the servo and the spider. I have 45's on each side of my cube. Great accuracy. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347955#347955 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:44 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer From: "maca2790" I have put mine in the Position provided by Vans in the QB Fuselage I received. It's about 7 inchs from the Andair Pump I have Installed and I will most likley run the outlet to a lower postion on the firewall where I will place a Gascolator. cheers John MacCallum VH-DUU Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347957#347957 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:39 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer John, why a gascolator? How are you going to get to it to sump it??? Linn On 7/28/2011 7:52 PM, maca2790 wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "maca2790" > > I have put mine in the Position provided by Vans in the QB Fuselage I received. It's about 7 inchs from the Andair Pump I have Installed and I will most likley run the outlet to a lower postion on the firewall where I will place a Gascolator. > > cheers > > John MacCallum > VH-DUU > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347957#347957 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer From: Kelly McMullen Some countries seem to believe that a gascolator is necessary for both carbureted and injected engines and thus require one. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Linn Walters wrote: > > John, why a gascolator? How are you going to get to it to sump it??? > Linn > > On 7/28/2011 7:52 PM, maca2790 wrote: >> >> >> I have put mine in the Position provided by Vans in the QB Fuselage I >> received. It's about 7 inchs from the Andair Pump I have Installed and I >> will most likley run the outlet to a lower postion on the firewall where I >> will place a Gascolator. >> >> cheers >> >> John MacCallum >> VH-DUU >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=347957#347957 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.