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1. 06:37 AM - Airwolf Oil Chiller (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Question (Eric_Kallio)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Question (Linn Walters)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:33 AM - Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller (Deems Davis)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller (Tim Olson)
7. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Oil Cooler Question (Robin Marks)
8. 07:43 AM - Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller (gary)
9. 07:50 AM - Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller (Linn Walters)
10. 07:54 AM - Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller (Phillip Perry)
11. 09:06 AM - RV10 rudder stop (Thomas Lewis)
12. 10:33 AM - Re: avionics settings (Bob Turner)
13. 10:54 AM - Re: avionics settings (Eric_Kallio)
14. 11:31 AM - Recent article by Gene Benson (Pascal)
15. 12:05 PM - Re: Recent article by Gene Benson (Linn Walters)
16. 12:21 PM - Re: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XI)-540? (rv10flyer)
17. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XI)-540? (Kelly McMullen)
18. 04:03 PM - What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XIO-540? (Bill Watson)
19. 06:50 PM - Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer (bill.peyton)
20. 06:50 PM - Re: avionics settings (Bob Turner)
21. 07:02 PM - Re: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XIO-540? (Bob Turner)
22. 07:56 PM - Re: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XIO-540? (Chris)
23. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
24. 11:08 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Airwolf Oil Chiller |
This is a simple, but "cool" new product at Oshkosh: the Airwolf Oil Chill
er
http://www.airwolf.com/ (click on Oil Chiller)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airwolfoilchiller.php
Basically a heat sink that wraps around your oil filter. They have good an
ecdotal results on some glider tow planes. An easy mod if oil temps are a
concern.
Tim
40025
Back in MA
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Question |
Yup, that was me. I am looking at doing something similar and if you are willing
to share I would rather not reinvent the wheel, and may mimick what you have
done.
Eric Kallio
N518RV
Scout019(at)msn.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Question |
OK, help me out here .... trying to follow this thread when there's no
'history' in the email is frustrating. I remember a post by ....
someone who read an email from someone and couldn't remember ....... and
I don't remember .... now I have a migraine!!!
I have a friend with a recently minted RV-7 who is having high oil temp
issues. I have my own ideas why, but he's looking at spending the bucks
on a larger cooler, larger scat hose, larger time spent, larger dent in
the wallet ...... and when I get my -10 finished I don't want to see
high oil temps ....... so what really works?????
Linn
On 8/1/2011 10:00 AM, Eric_Kallio wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio"<scout019@msn.com>
>
> Yup, that was me. I am looking at doing something similar and if you are willing
to share I would rather not reinvent the wheel, and may mimick what you have
done.
>
> Eric Kallio
> N518RV
> Scout019(at)msn.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348247#348247
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| Subject: | Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller |
Color me skeptical. If your engine baffling is properly sealed, the
oil filter isn't going to have very much air flow around it to carry
away heat.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
<tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> This is a simple, but "cool" new product at Oshkosh: the Airwolf Oil
> Chiller
> http://www.airwolf.com/ (click on Oil Chiller)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airwolfoilchiller.php
> Basically a heat sink that wraps around your oil filter. They have good
> anecdotal results on some glider tow planes. An easy mod if oil temps are a
> concern.
> Tim
> 40025
> Back in MA
>
>
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| Subject: | Airwolf Oil Chiller |
A couple of well aimed blast tubes would help.
Deems
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airwolf Oil Chiller
Color me skeptical. If your engine baffling is properly sealed, the oil
filter isn't going to have very much air flow around it to carry away heat.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
<tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> This is a simple, but "cool" new product at Oshkosh: the Airwolf Oil
> Chiller http://www.airwolf.com/ (click on Oil Chiller)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airwolfoilchiller.php
> Basically a heat sink that wraps around your oil filter. They have
> good anecdotal results on some glider tow planes. An easy mod if oil
> temps are a concern.
> Tim
> 40025
> Back in MA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller |
Someone in my group talked to them and they said that the oil filter was mounted
down low, in high airflow of cool air, and basically made the install a 100%
best case.....so I wouldn't bank on it making any major difference for us without
a bit of work to idealize the situation.
Tim
On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Color me skeptical. If your engine baffling is properly sealed, the
> oil filter isn't going to have very much air flow around it to carry
> away heat.
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
>> This is a simple, but "cool" new product at Oshkosh: the Airwolf Oil
>> Chiller
>> http://www.airwolf.com/ (click on Oil Chiller)
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airwolfoilchiller.php
>> Basically a heat sink that wraps around your oil filter. They have good
>> anecdotal results on some glider tow planes. An easy mod if oil temps are a
>> concern.
>> Tim
>> 40025
>> Back in MA
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Question |
Linn,
If you have the standard vans cowl and a 260 Hp motor you should be
most of the way there. I think builders that want the most efficient
cooling trade in their standard vans oil cooler for the 2006 oil
cooler or the dual pass Stewart Warner oil cooler that is a direct
replacement size wise for Vans unit. I personally don't think the vans
wedge is a good design (tested) and believe mounting to the back of
the baffle system is a better more direct location for efficent
cooling. The challenge is fitting the cooler around the motor mount.
Eric,
Because it sounds like we have a similar set up with an alternate cowl
and plenum there is too much to discuss online. Please give me a call
to talk about your specific situation. I have all but eliminated our
high oil temps.
Robin
805.801.8550
Sent from my iPad2.
On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:24 AM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> OK, help me out here .... trying to follow this thread when there's no 'history'
in the email is frustrating. I remember a post by .... someone who read an
email from someone and couldn't remember ....... and I don't remember .... now
I have a migraine!!!
> I have a friend with a recently minted RV-7 who is having high oil temp issues.
I have my own ideas why, but he's looking at spending the bucks on a larger
cooler, larger scat hose, larger time spent, larger dent in the wallet ......
and when I get my -10 finished I don't want to see high oil temps ....... so
what really works?????
> Linn
>
>
> On 8/1/2011 10:00 AM, Eric_Kallio wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Eric_Kallio"<scout019@msn.com>
>>
>> Yup, that was me. I am looking at doing something similar and if you are willing
to share I would rather not reinvent the wheel, and may mimick what you have
done.
>>
>> Eric Kallio
>> N518RV
>> Scout019(at)msn.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348247#348247
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Airwolf Oil Chiller |
I talked with them and besides the fins they had a remote mounted cooler in
the exit air of the cowl to achieve the temp drop that they promote,
something like 60 degree difference.
I thought that as simple as the design is I could make up a set of fins and
put them on my B&C angle mount and just see if there is any difference. If
not I could add a blast tube as Deems suggested.
Gary Specketer
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airwolf Oil Chiller
Color me skeptical. If your engine baffling is properly sealed, the
oil filter isn't going to have very much air flow around it to carry
away heat.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
<tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> This is a simple, but "cool" new product at Oshkosh: the Airwolf Oil
> Chiller
> http://www.airwolf.com/ (click on Oil Chiller)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airwolfoilchiller.php
> Basically a heat sink that wraps around your oil filter. They have good
> anecdotal results on some glider tow planes. An easy mod if oil temps are
a
> concern.
> Tim
> 40025
> Back in MA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller |
IMHO, it's a bandaid, and a poor one at that. I agree with Tim's
comments. The blast tube idea would be effective if there was a can
around the fins. My Traumahawk and Grumman with the O-235 has similar
'cans' around the oil filter or the oil screen housing. What we need to
do is find the root cause because it's not just the RV-10s that have the
problem. Is it poor baffling sealing? I'm planning on a plenum for
mine as I hate cowl seals. For my buddys -7, the cooler dumps down into
the lower right corner of the cowl. As I see it, the pressure
differential across the cooler is the same as the pressure differential
across the cylinders, but the oil cooler dumps into a large dead spot
which makes airflow even worse. Ducting the oil cooler exhaust over to
the cowl exit ramp might improve the airflow through the cooler .....
but I don't /_know_ /if it'll work.
Linn
On 8/1/2011 10:31 AM, Deems Davis wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Deems Davis"<deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> A couple of well aimed blast tubes would help.
>
> Deems
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:19 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airwolf Oil Chiller
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>
> Color me skeptical. If your engine baffling is properly sealed, the oil
> filter isn't going to have very much air flow around it to carry away heat.
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
>> This is a simple, but "cool" new product at Oshkosh: the Airwolf Oil
>> Chiller http://www.airwolf.com/ (click on Oil Chiller)
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airwolfoilchiller.php
>> Basically a heat sink that wraps around your oil filter. They have
>> good anecdotal results on some glider tow planes. An easy mod if oil
>> temps are a concern.
>> Tim
>> 40025
>> Back in MA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller |
Air Wolf has recommended these for a long long time. Before they came out
with their own product they suggested going to an Aero Salvage place and
picking on up from a Piper Tomahawk. Apparently they were standard on thos
e
airframes.
Pause here ---> I just checked the Airwolf site and their link is still up.
Here is is:
*Q:* I am running high oil temperatures. How much will your oil filter help
reduce my oil temperatures? *A:* Regardless of what engine you operate, th
e
ideal temperature for the oil is 185=B0F. We want you to be as close to thi
s
number as possible. The first thing we need for you to do, is calibrate you
r
oil temperature gauge to the numeric value of 185=B0F , so we have a starti
ng
point to work from. You can do this by purchasing a good thermometer,
heating up some oil along with your oil temperature bulb, and seeing where
185=B0F is on YOUR gauge. A remote mounted oil filter will usually drop the
oil temperatures about 20=B0F. Keep in mind that an oil filter is radiating
heat, and only has so much surface area available. It is dependent on some
airflow blowing on or around the oil filter, to carry away the heat. To gai
n
maximum advantage of its cooling benefits, we recommend running a blast tub
e
off the baffles and blow this cool air on the filter. If you want every
ounce of cooling you can get, go to a salvage yard and buy the finned
aluminum oil filter shroud that was used on the Piper Tomahawk aircraft.
This will usually only get you an additional 5=B0F but anything you get wil
l
be free cooling.
I have seen them installed on an RV-10 before (Tomahawk Version). The
filter was mounted on the lower passenger side of the firewall where it
would be easy to change and drips/runs could go straight down into a drip
pan without hitting anything in the FWF area. It had a blast tube as well.
I'm planning on replicating that installation once my engine arrives this
fall. It was a really nice setup.
Phil
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Someone in my group talked to them and they said that the oil filter was
> mounted down low, in high airflow of cool air, and basically made the
> install a 100% best case.....so I wouldn't bank on it making any major
> difference for us without a bit of work to idealize the situation.
> Tim
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Color me skeptical. If your engine baffling is properly sealed, the
> > oil filter isn't going to have very much air flow around it to carry
> > away heat.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> > <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> wrote:
> >> This is a simple, but "cool" new product at Oshkosh: the Airwolf Oil
> >> Chiller
> >> http://www.airwolf.com/ (click on Oil Chiller)
> >> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airwolfoilchiller.php
> >> Basically a heat sink that wraps around your oil filter. They have go
od
> >> anecdotal results on some glider tow planes. An easy mod if oil temps
> are a
> >> concern.
> >> Tim
> >> 40025
> >> Back in MA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | RV10 rudder stop |
If your RV 10 was one of the two parked at OSH on Sat without a rudder lock installed
when the wind blew, suggest you repair the broken left rudder stop soon.
Tom Lewis
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: avionics settings |
You don't have to do it in flight since the 330 will display the correct pressure
altitude (labeled FL ___) when it's talking to the HX.
I have the 327 and it is hooked up thru a serial line. I think you have the option
of a serial line, or the ARINC line? I can get you my serial setting next
time I'm at the hangar if that helps.
Bob
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: avionics settings |
Got some resolution from another builder in the area. The 330 has to be set to
receive" Icarus ALT" on the settings screen and the garmin trimble encoder settings
off of the EFIS encoder. I had the 330 set differently. Made that change
and it looks to be working.
Eric
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| Subject: | Recent article by Gene Benson |
The NTSB has decided to take a look at the experimental and
amateur-built aircraft. This isn't surprising since. According to the
most recent Nall Report, amateur built fixed-wing aircraft logged less
than 7% of total flight time as compared to other non-commercial
fixed-wing operations, but accounted for 21% of all corresponding
accidents and 30% of fatal accidents. Numbers like that are sure to draw
attention. EAA is participating in the study by conducting a survey and
sharing the results with NTSB. This is a difficult issue. We certainly
want to maintain the freedom to design, build, and/or fly aircraft and
anyone who engages in any or all of those activities understands that
there is increased risk. These aircraft have panel-mounted placards
warning passengers that the aircraft does not meet certification
standards of the FAA so passengers are, at least in theory, notified of
increased risk. Of course there is ample precedent for some level of
government to protect us from ourselves as evidenced by all the safety
equipment that is mandated for our cars, motorcycle helmet laws,
restrictions on use of fireworks in some states, etc. This study will
probably follow a familiar path. The NTSB will make recommendations to
the FAA for new or expanded regulations. AOPA and EAA will mount a
massive and successful campaign to block any new rules. But if the trend
continues, blocking restrictions on amateur-built aircraft will become
more difficult. The best course of action for anyone who has a stake in
amateur-built aircraft is to do whatever is possible to prevent
accidents and increase safety overall. A change in direction of the
statistics curve will do more than anything else to avoid increased
regulation.
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| Subject: | Re: Recent article by Gene Benson |
I think there's a huge glaring error in the statistics. It's in that 7%
of total flight time. Just take a look at your own airport ..... how
often do the experimentals fly and the air time compared to all the
hangar queens and lawn ornaments. Where did that flight time figure
come from??? Other than my hobbs meter, nobody is keeping track of the
flight time of my aircraft. I'll admit that I don't fly as much as I
did years ago ..... but then neither do my 'certificated' friends. I
also believe we're the fastest growing segment of aviation in the U.S.
The other points about regulation are well taken. How do we prevent
accidents caused by those that ignore the present 'guidelines' that are
intended to keep us safe?
Linn
On 8/1/2011 1:25 PM, Pascal wrote:
> The NTSB has decided to take a look at the experimental and
> amateur-built aircraft. This isn't surprising since. According to the
> most recent Nall Report, amateur built fixed-wing aircraft logged less
> than 7% of total flight time as compared to other non-commercial
> fixed-wing operations, but accounted for 21% of all corresponding
> accidents and 30% of fatal accidents. Numbers like that are sure to
> draw attention. EAA is participating in the study by conducting a
> survey and sharing the results with NTSB. This is a difficult issue.
> We certainly want to maintain the freedom to design, build, and/or fly
> aircraft and anyone who engages in any or all of those activities
> understands that there is increased risk. These aircraft have
> panel-mounted placards warning passengers that the aircraft does not
> meet certification standards of the FAA so passengers are, at least in
> theory, notified of increased risk. Of course there is ample precedent
> for some level of government to protect us from ourselves as evidenced
> by all the safety equipment that is mandated for our cars, motorcycle
> helmet laws, restrictions on use of fireworks in some states, etc.
> This study will probably follow a familiar path. The NTSB will make
> recommendations to the FAA for new or expanded regulations. AOPA and
> EAA will mount a massive and successful campaign to block any new
> rules. But if the trend continues, blocking restrictions on
> amateur-built aircraft will become more difficult. The best course of
> action for anyone who has a stake in amateur-built aircraft is to do
> whatever is possible to prevent accidents and increase safety overall.
> A change in direction of the statistics curve will do more than
> anything else to avoid increased regulation.
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XI)-540? |
I have YIO-540 too. Fuel servo, flow divider, fuel nozzles and data plate are different
but still must meet same test cell specs.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
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| Subject: | Re: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and |
XI)-540?
Having discussed the issue with the folks at Precision, the only
difference between their experimental units and certified is the color
of the servo body and the data plate. They are otherwise identical.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:19 PM, rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I have YIO-540 too. Fuel servo, flow divider, fuel nozzles and data plate are
different but still must meet same test cell specs.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
> Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348283#348283
>
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| Subject: | What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XIO-540? |
Thanks all....
I think I understand the difference between certified and experimental.
But I see references to two different experimental versions - the YIO
and the XIO. I'm wondering if anyone knows the difference between these.
Bill
On 7/31/2011 8:49 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> The 'IO-540 I got thru Vans appears to be officially listed in the doc
> as a YIO-540. The 'experimental' and lower priced engine option. In
> other write-ups I see references to XIO-540s.
>
> What's up with that?
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| Subject: | Re: 5inch before and after redcube fuel-transducer |
While I have read that some have decent results from mounting the FP sensor in
the tunnel between the electric and mechanical fuel pumps, I would not recommend
it. As Robin stated, the readings will fluctuate wildly due to the interaction
between the pumps. I have personally seen this on several installations,
both carburetor and injected. As long as you mount it after the mechanical pump
and leave a couple of inches of straight they seem to work fine. Putting
it between the servo and the spider is a good example of this. Making a bracket
and supporting the hose leading to and away from the cube is also important.
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Bill Peyton
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| Subject: | Re: avionics settings |
Sounds like you've got it working.
As I promised, here are the HX settings I use for sending altitude to a Garmin
327 (not 330), over a serial line:
HX serial port 6 speed: 9600
HX serial port 6 out: Fuel/Air Data (Z Format)
(of course, any serial port can be used).
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| Subject: | Re: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XIO-540? |
A year + ago, I had to call Williamsport (I wanted the larger starter motor, which
they exchanged with mine for no charge). While I was on the phone I asked
them the difference between "X" and "Y", since this appeared to be new at that
time. He said there is no difference. Just that Lycoming decided they wanted
to keep track of where engines are going, so experimental engines sold by Vans
are "Y"'s; those sold by others are "X"'s. At least, that's what he told me.
Presumably if there was another large retailer, those would be "Z"'s.
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| Subject: | Re: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XIO-540? |
Perhaps the YIO is the factory built Lycoming without certification papers, and
the XIO is built by the approved second source shops.
-Chris Lucas
#40072 YIO-540
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:59:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RV10-List: What is the difference between Lycoming YIO-540 and XIO-540?
Thanks all....
I think I understand the difference between certified and experimental.
But I see references to two different experimental versions - the YIO
and the XIO. I'm wondering if anyone knows the difference between these.
Bill
On 7/31/2011 8:49 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> The 'IO-540 I got thru Vans appears to be officially listed in the doc
> as a YIO-540. The 'experimental' and lower priced engine option. In
> other write-ups I see references to XIO-540s.
>
> What's up with that?
>
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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following URL:
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Thank you,
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Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
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| Subject: | Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
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You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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