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1. 05:36 AM - Static Prop Balancing (jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: Static Prop Balancing (Kelly McMullen)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: Static Prop Balancing (Dave Saylor)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: Re:OSH (Rick Beebe)
5. 10:25 AM - Somewhat depressing... (Robin Marks)
6. 10:25 AM - Re: Static Prop Balancing (jkreidler)
7. 11:03 AM - Re: Very cool turboprop for RV10 (David Shelton)
8. 11:03 AM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Stein Bruch)
9. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: Very cool turboprop for RV10 (Robin Marks)
10. 11:19 AM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Robin Marks)
11. 11:28 AM - Re: Re: Static Prop Balancing (Linn Walters)
12. 01:30 PM - Re: Airwolf Oil Chiller (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 01:43 PM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 01:45 PM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Phil Perry)
15. 02:11 PM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Robin Marks)
16. 02:23 PM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Tim Olson)
17. 02:50 PM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Robin Marks)
18. 08:28 PM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Bill Watson)
19. 09:12 PM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Phillip Perry)
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Subject: | Static Prop Balancing |
Before having our prop dynamically balanced I would like to balance it
statically. After all it doesn't much make sense to make a dynamic
correction for a static condition that will change over time as the prop
is dressed for various reasons.
I found an article on EAA's site about balancing, but the apparatus they
used requires a hole through the prop hub, which we do not have. Does
anyone have any experience doing a static balance on a two blade Hartzell
prop? I would just take it into a prop shop to have it done, but if it is
simple I would like to check at each annual.
http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2009-11_howto_props.asp
Thoughts and tips appreciated.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Wayne Elsner, Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - #40617 - Flying
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Subject: | Re: Static Prop Balancing |
Your prop is statically balanced when it is made and when it is
overhauled by a prop shop. It should not need any further static
balancing. I don't believe there is any simple way for you to check that
balance on a constant speed prop. Your dynamic prop balance technician
will be able to tell immediately if the static balance isn't close
enough for him to be able to do the dynamic balance. He will tell you to
take the prop to a prop shop and have them do a static balance. Not a
normal problem unless someone has been overly aggressive filing out a
ding in one prop blade.
On 8/2/2011 5:32 AM, jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com wrote:
> Before having our prop dynamically balanced I would like to balance it
> statically. After all it doesn't much make sense to make a dynamic
> correction for a static condition that will change over time as the
> prop is dressed for various reasons.
>
> I found an article on EAA's site about balancing, but the apparatus
> they used requires a hole through the prop hub, which we do not have.
> Does anyone have any experience doing a static balance on a two blade
> Hartzell prop? I would just take it into a prop shop to have it done,
> but if it is simple I would like to check at each annual.
>
> http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2009-11_howto_props.asp
>
> Thoughts and tips appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Wayne Elsner, Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - #40617 - Flying
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | Re: Static Prop Balancing |
Jason,
I've dynamically balanced lots of props and lots of helicopters but
never tried to do a static balance on a prop. You should see some
balance weights on the hub when you get the prop--those are from the
static balance after manufacture/overhaul. Don't change anything
until you're doing a dynamic balance.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 5:32 AM, <jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com> wrote:
> Before having our prop dynamically balanced I would like to balance it
> statically. After all it doesn't much make sense to make a dynamic
> correction for a static condition that will change over time as the prop is
> dressed for various reasons.
>
> I found an article on EAA's site about balancing, but the apparatus they
> used requires a hole through the prop hub, which we do not have. Does
> anyone have any experience doing a static balance on a two blade Hartzell
> prop? I would just take it into a prop shop to have it done, but if it is
> simple I would like to check at each annual.
>
> http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/articles/2009-11_howto_props.asp
>
> Thoughts and tips appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Jason Kreidler
>
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Wayne Elsner, Kyle Hokel, Tony Kolar, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - #40617 - Flying
>
>
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On 07/31/2011 08:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> But yeah, there wasn't much new and exciting outside of the ipad world.
> Tim
I thought the new boxes introduced by Avidyne were pretty
cool--especially for people looking for upgrades. Their IFD540 is a
touch-screen gps/nav/comm that's a plug-and-play direct replacement for
a Garmin GNS530. Someone with a 530 who's thinking about upgrading to
the new Garmin GTN750 will have to re-do their stack. The Avidyne unit
will slide right into the 530 tray.
The AMX240 is an audio-panel that will directly replace a GMA340 or
PSA8000. It adds bluetooth, music & cell phone inputs, flexible split
modes and a replay function.
The AXP340 transponder replaces a KT76A or KT78A and adds ADS-B extended
squitter.
And their DFC90 autopilot replaces an stec55x and adds envelope
protection and a save-my-ass button.
I played around with the IFD540 for a while and to me it was
considerably more intuitive to use than the 530 (I haven't looked at a
GTN750 yet). They had a killer deal at OSH, 50% off, but I didn't bite.
--Rick
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Subject: | Somewhat depressing... |
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Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good
build with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc=85 Seems like a goo
d
deal.
Robin
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Subject: | Re: Static Prop Balancing |
Youre both correct; we do have weights in place from the factory static balance.
We have on 325 hours and are going to get the prop dynamically balanced. Over
the course of those 325 hours we have had to dress the prop from normal operation.
So before I have the prop dynamically balanced I want to confirm that
it is still statically balanced.
>From reading the Experimenter article we are told that even coats of paint can
affect the static balance of the prop, so it seems worthwhile to me to verify
the static balance.
If I know the prop is statically balanced before having it dynamically balanced
I will have a starting point for the future when it is necessary to dress the
prop again. If it is not statically balance before having it dynamically balanced
then we would need to have it dynamically rebalanced after dressing (not
that it wouldn't be a good idea). Anyway, my point is to start with a known
good static balance.
So, has anyone done this on a constant speed prop? The racing guys must....
--------
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348398#348398
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Subject: | Re: Very cool turboprop for RV10 |
Outside the US, avgas is terribly expensive and often hard to find. One of my foreign
customers pays around $16 USD/Gallon. Over the life of the airplane, he'll
burn around 50,000 gallons of fuel. I'm sure he'd love to switch to Jet A.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348406#348406
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Subject: | Somewhat depressing... |
It's a sign of the times right now and also don't forget that "worth" or
value varies greatly depending on how fast you want something sold,
circumstances of each person, and finally who is willing to pay what for
something.
I know this plane well and indeed it is better built than most.and is most
probably worth more than asking price, but perhaps the seller has some
circumstances where he'd like to get it sold sooner rather than later or
other things in their life driving the sale price. Overall I can vouch for
it being a nice plane, the EAA OSH judges agreed. Someone will get a nice
deal!
My 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
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Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of Attack Indicator -
Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory New Lycoming IO-540
Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emergency Essential Buss System -
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Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good
build with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc. Seems like a good
deal.
Robin
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Subject: | Re: Very cool turboprop for RV10 |
Except the turboprop displayed at OSH is $100K US (projected) and burns 18
GPH regardless of flight level or taxi. I prefer to taxi at 1.2 GPH and
fly LOP in the 10 GPH range.
Interesting the turbine on display was in the low 100 pound weight.
Impressive. Something like 240 Hp.
To your point though, I last filled up near San Diego where Jet A was
$1.00 less/gallon.
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Shelton
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Very cool turboprop for RV10
Outside the US, avgas is terribly expensive and often hard to find. One of
my foreign customers pays around $16 USD/Gallon. Over the life of the
airplane, he'll burn around 50,000 gallons of fuel. I'm sure he'd love to
switch to Jet A.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348406#348406
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Subject: | Somewhat depressing... |
Hay Stein, great to see you at OSH again this year. And thanks to Chris &
your staff for all their assistance.
Robin
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*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Stein Bruch
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:59 AM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
It=92s a sign of the times right now and also don=92t forget that =93worth
=94 or
value varies greatly depending on how fast you want something sold,
circumstances of each person, and finally who is willing to pay what for
something.
I know this plane well and indeed it is better built than most=85and is mos
t
probably worth more than asking price, but perhaps the seller has some
circumstances where he=92d like to get it sold sooner rather than later or
other things in their life driving the sale price. Overall I can vouch for
it being a nice plane, the EAA OSH judges agreed. Someone will get a nice
deal!
My 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
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*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:22 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
*RV-10* <http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html> -
$175,000 - *GREAT BUY* - 2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152Hr
s -
Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather -
TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of Attac
k
Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory New
Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emergency Essential
Buss System - Leather Flightline Interior w/ center and overhead consoles -
Many more Extras - Call * ** ** ** **(302) 293-2043** ** * -
Contact Dave Zack<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=11674
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- FT AVIATION<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&i
d=572544&title=RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>,
Owner - located Clayton, DE USA - Telephone: 302 293-2043
.
- Posted July 28, 2011
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Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good
build with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc=85 Seems like a goo
d
deal.
Robin
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Subject: | Re: Static Prop Balancing |
On 8/2/2011 1:22 PM, jkreidler wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jkreidler"<jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com>
>
> Youre both correct; we do have weights in place from the factory static balance.
We have on 325 hours and are going to get the prop dynamically balanced.
Over the course of those 325 hours we have had to dress the prop from normal
operation. So before I have the prop dynamically balanced I want to confirm that
it is still statically balanced.
Static balance is akin to using a grenade to get rid of a fly. If you
want to do that, it's your prop, but you've had good advice already that
it's gonna be a waste of time. If your prop is not close to balance, you
already feel the vibration a lot. Keep in min that engine/prop vibration
is very subjective. I lay a bowl of water on the glareshield to visibly
show how much vibration is present. If there isn't much, then I can save
my customer some bucks. Then I do the dynamic balance and repeat the
water thingy again. You can definitely see the difference. Some can feel
the difference, I can't.
> > From reading the Experimenter article we are told that even coats of paint
can affect the static balance of the prop, so it seems worthwhile to me to verify
the static balance.
Affect it? Absolutely! However, the exercise is akin to aerodynamic
cleanup to gain knots. Takes a lot for a little gain.
> If I know the prop is statically balanced before having it dynamically balanced
I will have a starting point for the future when it is necessary to dress the
prop again. If it is not statically balance before having it dynamically balanced
then we would need to have it dynamically rebalanced after dressing (not
that it wouldn't be a good idea). Anyway, my point is to start with a known
good static balance.
Doesn't make any difference. The dynamic balance will take care of any
static unbalance and you won't even notice. Any change after the dynamic
balance (like a little dressing) will upset the apple cart once again.
>
> So, has anyone done this on a constant speed prop? The racing guys must....
Probably not .... they just do the dynamic balance with a whole lot of
extra RPMs.
Linn .... balanced a few props
>
> --------
> Jason Kreidler
> 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
> Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
> N44YH - Flying - #40617
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348398#348398
>
>
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Subject: | Airwolf Oil Chiller |
That's exactly where I mounted mine.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Airwolf Oil Chiller
Air Wolf has recommended these for a long long time. Before they came out
with their own product they suggested going to an Aero Salvage place and pi
cking on up from a Piper Tomahawk. Apparently they were standard on those
airframes.
Pause here ---> I just checked the Airwolf site and their link is still up.
Here is is:
Q:
I am running high oil temperatures. How much will your oil filter help redu
ce my oil temperatures?
A:
Regardless of what engine you operate, the ideal temperature for the oil is
185=B0F. We want you to be as close to this number as possible. The first
thing we need for you to do, is calibrate your oil temperature gauge to the
numeric value of 185=B0F , so we have a starting point to work from. You c
an do this by purchasing a good thermometer, heating up some oil along with
your oil temperature bulb, and seeing where 185=B0F is on YOUR gauge. A re
mote mounted oil filter will usually drop the oil temperatures about 20=B0F
. Keep in mind that an oil filter is radiating heat, and only has so much s
urface area available. It is dependent on some airflow blowing on or around
the oil filter, to carry away the heat. To gain maximum advantage of its c
ooling benefits, we recommend running a blast tube off the baffles and blow
this cool air on the filter. If you want every ounce of cooling you can ge
t, go to a salvage yard and buy the finned aluminum oil filter shroud that
was used on the Piper Tomahawk aircraft. This will usually only get you an
additional 5=B0F but anything you get will be free cooling.
I have seen them installed on an RV-10 before (Tomahawk Version). The filt
er was mounted on the lower passenger side of the firewall where it would b
e easy to change and drips/runs could go straight down into a drip pan with
out hitting anything in the FWF area. It had a blast tube as well. I'm pl
anning on replicating that installation once my engine arrives this fall.
It was a really nice setup.
Phil
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com<mailto:Tim@myrv10
.com>> wrote:
0.com>>
Someone in my group talked to them and they said that the oil filter was mo
unted down low, in high airflow of cool air, and basically made the install
a 100% best case.....so I wouldn't bank on it making any major difference
for us without a bit of work to idealize the situation.
Tim
On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:19 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com<mailto:apilot
2@gmail.com>> wrote:
:apilot2@gmail.com>>
>
> Color me skeptical. If your engine baffling is properly sealed, the
> oil filter isn't going to have very much air flow around it to carry
> away heat.
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
> <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero<mailto:tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>> wrote
:
>> This is a simple, but "cool" new product at Oshkosh: the Airwolf Oil
>> Chiller
>> http://www.airwolf.com/ (click on Oil Chiller)
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/airwolfoilchiller.php
>> Basically a heat sink that wraps around your oil filter. They have good
>> anecdotal results on some glider tow planes. An easy mod if oil temps a
re a
>> concern.
>> Tim
>> 40025
>> Back in MA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Somewhat depressing... |
I believe the owner used to frequent the list and his nephew or uncle, I fo
rget which, used to make some popular aftermarket parts.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
RV-10<http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html> * $175,000
* GREAT BUY * 2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152Hrs - Garmin G100
0 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather - TruTrak Sorcere
r Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of Attack Indicator - S
tandby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory New Lycoming IO-540 El
ectronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emergency Essential Buss System - Leathe
r Flightline Interior w/ center and overhead consoles - Many more Extras -
Call (302) 293-2043 * Contact Dave Zack<http://www.barnst
ormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title=RV-10&return
=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php> - FT AVIATION<http://www.barnstormers.com/co
ntact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title=RV-10&return=%2Fad_manag
er%2Fmy_ads.php>, Owner - located Clayton, DE USA * Telephone: 3
02 293-2043 . * Posted July 28, 2011
[http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/8b/f3/scaled_8bf3_106x80_572544-ISO1.jp
g]<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>[
http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/5b/03/scaled_5b03_106x80_572544-Int1.jpg
]<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>[h
ttp://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/84/28/scaled_8428_106x80_572544-Panel1.jp
g]<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>[
http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/c3/ce/scaled_c3ce_106x80_572544-Int2.jpg
]<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>[h
ttp://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/91/78/scaled_9178_106x80_572544-OH1.jpg]<
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good bui
ld with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc... Seems like a goo
d deal.
Robin
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Subject: | Re: Somewhat depressing... |
Yeah that is depressing. If I weren't so close to flying I'd consider it bec
ause that is a bargain. Apparently he hasn't checked the latest price of an
IO-540 either.
I will end up north of that number and I'm using the G3X!
Depressing is right. Hopefully things turn around soon.
Phil
On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
> Hay Stein, great to see you at OSH again this year. And thanks to Chris & y
our staff for all their assistance.
>
>
>
> Robin
>
> Do Not Archive
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>
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stein Bruch
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
>
>
>
> It=99s a sign of the times right now and also don=99t forget t
hat =9Cworth=9D or value varies greatly depending on how fast yo
u want something sold, circumstances of each person, and finally who is will
ing to pay what for something.
>
>
>
> I know this plane well and indeed it is better built than mostand
is most probably worth more than asking price, but perhaps the seller has s
ome circumstances where he=99d like to get it sold sooner rather than l
ater or other things in their life driving the sale price. Overall I can vou
ch for it being a nice plane, the EAA OSH judges agreed. Someone will get a n
ice deal!
>
>
>
> My 2 cents as usual.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stein
>
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
>
>
>
> Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
>
>
>
> http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
>
>
>
> RV-10 =A2 $175,000 =A2 GREAT BUY =A2 2008 RV-10 '09 OSH B
ronze Lindy Winner - 152Hrs - Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision -
XM Satellite Weather - TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select a
nd VS - Angle of Attack Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by St
ein - Factory New Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emerg
ency Essential Buss System - Leather Flightline Interior w/ center and overh
ead consoles - Many more Extras - Call (302) 293-2043
=A2 Contact Dave Zack - FT AVIATION, Owner - located Clayton, DE USA =A2
Telephone: 302 293-2043 . =A2 Posted July 28, 2011
>
>
>
> <image001.jpg><image002.jpg><image003.jpg><image004.jpg><image005.jpg>
>
>
>
> Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good bu
ild with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
>
>
>
> I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc Seems lik
e a good deal.
>
>
>
> Robin
>
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Subject: | Somewhat depressing... |
I have the G3X (8A) & the G900x (10). You will be very happy with your
choice.
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Phil Perry
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:42 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
Yeah that is depressing. If I weren't so close to flying I'd consider it
because that is a bargain. Apparently he hasn't checked the latest price o
f
an IO-540 either.
I will end up north of that number and I'm using the G3X!
Depressing is right. Hopefully things turn around soon.
Phil
On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
Hay Stein, great to see you at OSH again this year. And thanks to Chris &
your staff for all their assistance.
Robin
Do Not Archive
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Stein Bruch
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:59 AM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
It=92s a sign of the times right now and also don=92t forget that =93worth
=94 or
value varies greatly depending on how fast you want something sold,
circumstances of each person, and finally who is willing to pay what for
something.
I know this plane well and indeed it is better built than most=85and is mos
t
probably worth more than asking price, but perhaps the seller has some
circumstances where he=92d like to get it sold sooner rather than later or
other things in their life driving the sale price. Overall I can vouch for
it being a nice plane, the EAA OSH judges agreed. Someone will get a nice
deal!
My 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
Do not archive
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:22 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
*RV-10* <http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html> -
$175,000 - *GREAT BUY* - 2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152Hr
s -
Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather -
TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of Attac
k
Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory New
Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emergency Essential
Buss System - Leather Flightline Interior w/ center and overhead consoles -
Many more Extras - Call * ** ** ** **(302) 293-2043** ** * -
Contact Dave Zack<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=11674
1&id=572544&title=RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>
- FT AVIATION<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&i
d=572544&title=RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>,
Owner - located Clayton, DE USA - Telephone: 302 293-2043
.
- Posted July 28, 2011
<image001.jpg><http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_
images=1>
<image002.jpg><http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_
images=1>
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images=1>
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images=1>
<image005.jpg><http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_
images=1>
Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good
build with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc=85 Seems like a goo
d
deal.
Robin
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Subject: | Re: Somewhat depressing... |
Robin,
You won't like this answer perhaps, but, the only time the
resale value matters is if you are selling it. And, if you
built your airplane for your own recreation and enjoyment,
then you're probably planning to keep your airplane for
a while and enjoy it. If the values dip $10,000, $20,000,
or even $50,000, it won't matter unless you end up having
to do a fire sale because you have big financial problems
or something. And if you were to just plain die, you died
a happy airplane owner and oh well, I guess your estate
ends up a little shorter.
To me, the biggest potential for loss of value AND loss
of enjoyment, is if fuel prices double or triple and
we can simply no longer afford to feed the engine.
If that happens, we'll all own boat anchors, and my plan
will be to stick a couple of widescreen monitors on
the glareshield and have the best friggin' $200,000
flight simulator you can have.
Also, part of the reason the values dropped is because so
many people got dollar signs in their eyeballs when the
RV-10 came out, and built it and then turned and sold it.
If nothing else, this will discourage people from building
to sell, further reducing the values, and keeping the
spirit of the process intact....and it may attract some
pilots to RV's in the long run too.
Tim
On 8/2/2011 12:21 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
>
> http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
>
> *RV-10* <http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html>
> $175,000 *GREAT BUY*2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152Hrs -
> Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather -
> TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of
> Attack Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory
> New Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emergency
> Essential Buss System - Leather Flightline Interior w/ center and
> overhead consoles - Many more Extras - Call_________(302) 293-2043_____
> ContactDave Zack
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title=RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>-FT
> AVIATION
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title=RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>,
> Owner - located Clayton, DE USA Telephone:302 293-2043. Posted July
> 28, 2011
>
> http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/8b/f3/scaled_8bf3_106x80_572544-ISO1.jpg
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/5b/03/scaled_5b03_106x80_572544-Int1.jpg
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/84/28/scaled_8428_106x80_572544-Panel1.jpg
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/c3/ce/scaled_c3ce_106x80_572544-Int2.jpg
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/91/78/scaled_9178_106x80_572544-OH1.jpg
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
>
> Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good
> build with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
>
> I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc Seems like a
> good deal.
>
> Robin
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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Subject: | Somewhat depressing... |
I'm really not depressed, just thought it was an exceptional value. I know
I will get reasonable value out of my plane when the time comes and I
don't see offering it for sale anytime soon. I always seem to keep planes
longer than I thought I would and with the -10 what's an upgrade? Can't
really think of one at this time. N110EE just too good at all the things I
need it to do. Much like my 6A you build up a personal relationship with
your aircraft over time and it just fits. I really just wanted to point
out the unit to the list.
Placing Prozac back in the bottle now,
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
Robin,
You won't like this answer perhaps, but, the only time the
resale value matters is if you are selling it. And, if you
built your airplane for your own recreation and enjoyment,
then you're probably planning to keep your airplane for
a while and enjoy it. If the values dip $10,000, $20,000,
or even $50,000, it won't matter unless you end up having
to do a fire sale because you have big financial problems
or something. And if you were to just plain die, you died
a happy airplane owner and oh well, I guess your estate
ends up a little shorter.
To me, the biggest potential for loss of value AND loss
of enjoyment, is if fuel prices double or triple and
we can simply no longer afford to feed the engine.
If that happens, we'll all own boat anchors, and my plan
will be to stick a couple of widescreen monitors on
the glareshield and have the best friggin' $200,000
flight simulator you can have.
Also, part of the reason the values dropped is because so
many people got dollar signs in their eyeballs when the
RV-10 came out, and built it and then turned and sold it.
If nothing else, this will discourage people from building
to sell, further reducing the values, and keeping the
spirit of the process intact....and it may attract some
pilots to RV's in the long run too.
Tim
On 8/2/2011 12:21 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
>
> http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
>
> *RV-10* <http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html>.
> $175,000 .*GREAT BUY*.2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152Hrs -
> Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather -
> TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of
> Attack Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory
> New Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emergency
> Essential Buss System - Leather Flightline Interior w/ center and
> overhead consoles - Many more Extras - Call_________(302) 293-2043_____.
> ContactDave Zack
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title
RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>-FT
> AVIATION
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title
RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>,
> Owner - located Clayton, DE USA . Telephone:302 293-2043. . Posted July
> 28, 2011
>
>
http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/8b/f3/scaled_8bf3_106x80_572544-ISO1.jp
g
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http:/
/barnstormers.com/tmp_images/5b/03/scaled_5b03_106x80_572544-Int1.jpg
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http:/
/barnstormers.com/tmp_images/84/28/scaled_8428_106x80_572544-Panel1.jpg
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http:/
/barnstormers.com/tmp_images/c3/ce/scaled_c3ce_106x80_572544-Int2.jpg
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http:/
/barnstormers.com/tmp_images/91/78/scaled_9178_106x80_572544-OH1.jpg
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
>
> Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good
> build with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
>
> I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc. Seems like a
> good deal.
>
> Robin
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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Subject: | Re: Somewhat depressing... |
Sitting here on the 'eve' of my first flight, I have to admit that it
doesn't even register.
I'm feeling like a million bucks... or about to fly a million bucks.
Buying and flying this fine $175K ship would make me feel like, well,
$17.5k at best. Nice piece of iron but it's not mine.
Let's not bust the bubble,
Bill "just dreaming" Watson
On 8/2/2011 1:21 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
>
> http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
>
> *RV-10* <http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html>
> $175,000 *GREAT BUY*2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152Hrs
> - Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather
> - TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle
> of Attack Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein -
> Factory New Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery -
>
etc
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Subject: | Re: Somewhat depressing... |
Good luck Bill. Stay safe and I look forward to a report, the photos, and
a
big smile.
I've enjoyed watching your progress.
Phil "Wishing the best for Bill tomorrow" Perry
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> Sitting here on the 'eve' of my first flight, I have to admit that it
> doesn't even register.
>
> I'm feeling like a million bucks... or about to fly a million bucks.
> Buying and flying this fine $175K ship would make me feel like, well, $17
.5k
> at best. Nice piece of iron but it's not mine.
>
> Let's not bust the bubble,
> Bill "just dreaming" Watson
>
>
> On 8/2/2011 1:21 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
>
>
> http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
>
>
> *RV-10* <http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html> -
> $175,000 - *GREAT BUY* - 2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152
Hrs -
> Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather -
> TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of Att
ack
> Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory New
> Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery -
>
> etc
>
> *
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