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1. 07:14 AM - Re: transducers (rv10flyer)
2. 08:06 AM - Re: -10 Plans (pilotdds)
3. 09:27 AM - Re: transducers (George Nolin)
4. 11:35 AM - Primary Comm Radio (Les Kearney)
5. 11:45 AM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Robin Marks)
6. 11:51 AM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (fehdxlbb@gmail.com)
7. 11:55 AM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Seano)
8. 12:07 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Robin Marks)
9. 12:16 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Rene Felker)
10. 01:20 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (David)
11. 01:22 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Marcus Cooper)
12. 02:12 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Kelly McMullen)
13. 02:33 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Bob Turner)
14. 02:42 PM - Oil Cooler mount (billz)
15. 02:53 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Robin Marks)
16. 03:00 PM - Re: Oil Cooler mount (Linn Walters)
17. 03:17 PM - Re: Oil Cooler mount (Robin Marks)
18. 03:27 PM - Re: Oil Cooler mount (Linn Walters)
19. 03:36 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Kelly McMullen)
20. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: Primary Comm Radio (Richard Bibb)
21. 04:16 PM - Re: Oil Cooler mount (Carl Froehlich)
22. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Primary Comm Radio (Alan Mekler)
23. 06:16 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (David)
24. 09:01 PM - Re: Oil Cooler mount (pilotdds)
25. 09:08 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Tim Olson)
26. 09:51 PM - Re: Primary Comm Radio (Les Kearney)
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I just inst grt fuel/oil pres senders. The plans show either a plug or ftg for
hose on top and bottom and senders toward the front. I am not inst oil sw for
light/hobbs. If you were it would go on the bottom.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
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shannon I would greatly appreciate a set of the plans my builder number is
40182 and my e-mail is pilotdds@aol.com
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From: DLM <dlm34077@q.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:33 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: -10 Plans
Check Tim's site . already done.
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From: Shannon Hicks
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: RV10-List: -10 Plans
I have started scanning all of my -10 plans for my own personal use and was
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Use a 3/16 aluminum strip between the manifold and the firewall and they wi
ll fit. This will restore the manifold to three ports for each activity.
G. Hank Nolin, P.E.
832-640-6284
www.salestaxexemptions.com
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"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure--aviation offers it all."
Charles A. Lindbergh
--- On Sat, 8/6/11, Chris Hukill <cjhukill@cox.net> wrote:
From: Chris Hukill <cjhukill@cox.net>
Subject: RV10-List: transducers
The picture in the plans show that the oil and fuel pressure transducers th
at attach to the manifold mounted on the firewall have the transducers poin
ted down. The transducers that came with my Dynon are to large in diameter
to mount that way. The ones shown look to be smaller diameter. Does anyone
know what transducers are pictured in the plans and if they are compatible
with the Dynon Skyview?
Chris Hukill
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Primary Comm Radio |
Hi
I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a GNS430W
and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will be most used from
a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop on the stick and would like
to make the right choice as to which radio is connected to the switch.
Any comments / opinions?
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
430W.
Robin
Sent from Android phone
Probably while driving
On Aug 7, 2011 11:42 AM, "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
**
Hi
I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a GNS430W
and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will be most used from
a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop on the stick and would like
to make the right choice as to which radio is connected to the switch.
Any comments / opinions?
Cheers
Les
#40643
*
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
As a datapoint, I use the SL30 for ATC since I don't know the frequencies
ahead of time and have to twist them in anyway. This free's up the G530 for
AWOS and UNICOM since I look up those frequencies from the database rather
than twisting them in.
Don't have any flip\flop buttons on the yoke, so can't comment on that
point.
Hope that helps.
Jim
-----Original message-----
From: Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 18:39:33 GMT+00:00
Subject: RV10-List: Primary Comm Radio
Hi
I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a GNS430W
and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will be most used from
a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop on the stick and would like
to make the right choice as to which radio is connected to the switch.
Any comments / opinions?
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
Primary Comm RadioLes,
I am with Robin,
I have the 430W and the SL30. I have my Com1 Nav1 on the 430W.
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 12:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Primary Comm Radio
Hi
I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a
GNS430W and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will be
most used from a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop on the
stick and would like to make the right choice as to which radio is
connected to the switch.
Any comments / opinions?
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Primary Comm Radio |
I do just the reverse. Comm 2 is always my WX comm. Here is why:
430W
Transmit power:
10 watts minimum; 16 watts minimum (GNS 430A)
SL30
Transmit power 8 watts (carrier power)
My G900X has dual 16 Watt comms. Nice to have J
My 8A with a 430/SL30 has 1 - 16 Watt Comm & 1 - 8 Watt Comm. Use the 16 fo
r
all your primary communication IMHO.
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *fehdxlbb@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:50 AM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Primary Comm Radio
As a datapoint, I use the SL30 for ATC since I don't know the frequencies
ahead of time and have to twist them in anyway. This free's up the G530 fo
r
AWOS and UNICOM since I look up those frequencies from the database rather
than twisting them in.
Don't have any flip\flop buttons on the yoke, so can't comment on that
point.
Hope that helps.
Jim
-----Original message-----
*From: *Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca>*
Sent: *Sun, Aug 7, 2011 18:39:33 GMT+00:00*
Subject: *RV10-List: Primary Comm Radio
Hi
I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a GNS430W
and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will be most used from
a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop on the stick and would lik
e
to make the right choice as to which radio is connected to the switch.
Any comments / opinions?
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Primary Comm Radio |
I guess just to be different..I have it the other way around. I use the
SL30 for all my primary comm and the 430 for my primary navigation. I have
the sl30 hooked to my Grand Rapids and I can push freqs from the GRT system
to the sl30. I have a freq flip/flop on my sick hooked to my SL30...
I think it may depend more on how you plan on integrating and using your
EFIS, etc. I really thought I was going to use my EFIS more to control the
radios than I really have. I think my old age is catching up with me and I
just go to looking up freqs and putting them in the radio instead of using
the efis to look them up and push them over.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Primary Comm Radio
Hi
I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a GNS430W
and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will be most used from
a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop on the stick and would like
to make the right choice as to which radio is connected to the switch.
Any comments / opinions?
Cheers
Les
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
I have the SL-30 functioning as COMM 1 and the 430W as COMM 2. I do
push VOR freqs from my Chelton into the SL-30 sometimes, but that is
not a major factor for me. I can't tell you any particular reason I
made that decision back during the build, but I am glad I did. (It is
entirely possible that Stein recommended that setup, I just don't
remember) The SL-30 is a really great radio IMHO. The ability to
monitor two comm freqs as well as two VORs off of one radio is
awesome. My VOR needles on the Chelton point to the primary VOR as
well as the secondary or standby VOR in the SL-30. I have the flip-
flop switch on my stick set up for COMM 1. My stack is set up with
the SL-30 above the 430W, so maybe that is why I made the decision.
Bottom line, it is probably not too important unless your EFIS setup
makes one radio or the other preferable.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a
> GNS430W and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will
> be most used from a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop
> on the stick and would like to make the right choice as to which
> radio is connected to the switch.
>
> Any comments / opinions?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
I have my 480 set up as comm 1 and the SL 30 as radio 2. Both excellent rad
ios, I end up using the 480 as primary mostly because it is hooked to the be
tter of my 2 antennas. I used the Bob Archer foil for comm 2 and while effe
ctive it's not quite as good so I use it mostly for ATIS and local traffic c
omm.
Marcus
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:30 PM, "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
do not archive
> Hi
>
> I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a GNS430
W and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will be most used fro
m a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop on the stick and would li
ke to make the right choice as to which radio is connected to the switch.
>
> Any comments / opinions?
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
Not sure why you bought the optional extra power on the 430, but for the
majority of folks with a standard 430 the power output with it and the
SL30 will be identical at 8 watts.
On 8/7/2011 12:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I do just the reverse. Comm 2 is always my WX comm. Here is why:
>
> 430W
>
> Transmit power:
>
>
>
> 10 watts minimum; 16 watts minimum (GNS 430A)
>
> SL30
>
> Transmit power 8 watts (carrier power)
>
> My G900X has dual 16 Watt comms. Nice to have J
>
> My 8A with a 430/SL30 has 1 - 16 Watt Comm & 1 - 8 Watt Comm. Use the
> 16 for all your primary communication IMHO.
>
> Robin
>
> ****
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
I have sl-30 #1, G-420 #2. Not sure there is any real reason to prefer one over
the other, although a minor point: G-420 has an inhibit input so the receiver
is off when transmitting on the SL-30, to prevent any feed thru if it happens
to be selected on the audio panel. I don't think the SL-30 has such an input
(?).
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler mount |
I know this topic has been discussed at length, but am looking for guidance from
some of those who've done it. I'm working the fuselage and finish kit (and
a little of the firewall forward) at the same time. I'm not pleased with the
airflow with the standard Vans oil cooler mount, but am leaning towards using
it with modifications.
Based on forum discussions, I purchased the 2006X oil cooler and have their fiberglass
plenum. I intended to make my own mount with the fiberglass plenum, to
improve airflow, but am not doing well. I'd like to mount the oil cooler horizontally
so the airflow is directly into and out of the oil cooler. I made
a flange that attaches to the cooler, but can't come up with any mount designs
that seem to work. I can use the standard mounting holes and configure a bracket
that will be attached with it, but I don't like the idea of having the bracket
support the cooler with tension loads on all the components. The cooler
will fit horizontally in that area, but will be at the bottom of all the standard
mounting holes. I can see some durability issues down the road. I could
move the whole thing to the other side of the engine, but don't really want to
take up space over there. It could be mounted on the baffle, but that will
add stress on the baffle and perhaps cause fatigue cracking. After all this,
I'm back to using the improved cooler with the Vans mount.
I seem to remember seeing some mounts that had an added deflector installed inside
the "V" box to provide better air distribution onto the cooler. This makes
a lot of sense that a small louver could direct part of the air flow onto the
top part of the cooler and make better use of the cooling surface in the upper
part of the oil cooler. I could make one, but if someone else has already
done it, I'd rather just buy it. If anyone knows if someone has an oil cooler
air deflector for sale, please let me know.
It seems that I talk with many who have no problems with the standard design and
I'm thinking that some effort put into sealing the baffles and oil cooler box
and ducting may be all that's needed.
I'd appreciate any comments you folks may have on my dilemma.
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| Subject: | Primary Comm Radio |
The difference in receive & transmit between the 430W & SL30 is noticeable
30-80 miles out.
Robin
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Primary Comm Radio
Not sure why you bought the optional extra power on the 430, but for the
majority of folks with a standard 430 the power output with it and the
SL30 will be identical at 8 watts.
On 8/7/2011 12:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> I do just the reverse. Comm 2 is always my WX comm. Here is why:
>
> 430W
>
> Transmit power:
>
>
> 10 watts minimum; 16 watts minimum (GNS 430A)
>
> SL30
>
> Transmit power 8 watts (carrier power)
>
> My G900X has dual 16 Watt comms. Nice to have J
>
> My 8A with a 430/SL30 has 1 - 16 Watt Comm & 1 - 8 Watt Comm. Use the
> 16 for all your primary communication IMHO.
>
> Robin
>
> ****
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler mount |
As I posted earlier, I have a friend with an RV-7 with high oil temps.
As I look at the cooler installation on his airplane, the air out of the
cooler dumps down into the corner of the cowl, where there is no real
airflow out the ramp. the other observation I have made is that the
differential pressure across the oil cooler is the same as the
differential across the cylinders as the oil cooler is in parallel.
Also, the square inches of the cooler is larger than the scat tubing
supplying the air.
I plan on making a plenum since I hate cowl seals.
So, two areas that may help: A larger scat tube to the cooler, and a
scat tube from the output of the cooler over to the ramp.
That experiment on the RV-7 is in process.
Linn
On 8/7/2011 5:40 PM, billz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"<billz@roadrunner.com>
>
> I know this topic has been discussed at length, but am looking for guidance from
some of those who've done it. I'm working the fuselage and finish kit (and
a little of the firewall forward) at the same time. I'm not pleased with the
airflow with the standard Vans oil cooler mount, but am leaning towards using
it with modifications.
>
> Based on forum discussions, I purchased the 2006X oil cooler and have their fiberglass
plenum. I intended to make my own mount with the fiberglass plenum,
to improve airflow, but am not doing well. I'd like to mount the oil cooler
horizontally so the airflow is directly into and out of the oil cooler. I made
a flange that attaches to the cooler, but can't come up with any mount designs
that seem to work. I can use the standard mounting holes and configure a bracket
that will be attached with it, but I don't like the idea of having the
bracket support the cooler with tension loads on all the components. The cooler
will fit horizontally in that area, but will be at the bottom of all the standard
mounting holes. I can see some durability issues down the road. I could
move the whole thing to the other side of the engine, but don't really want
to take up space over there. It could be mounted on the baffle, but that will
add stress on the baffle and perhaps cause fatigue c!
> racking. After all this, I'm back to using the improved cooler with the Vans
mount.
>
> I seem to remember seeing some mounts that had an added deflector installed inside
the "V" box to provide better air distribution onto the cooler. This makes
a lot of sense that a small louver could direct part of the air flow onto
the top part of the cooler and make better use of the cooling surface in the upper
part of the oil cooler. I could make one, but if someone else has already
done it, I'd rather just buy it. If anyone knows if someone has an oil cooler
air deflector for sale, please let me know.
>
> It seems that I talk with many who have no problems with the standard design
and I'm thinking that some effort put into sealing the baffles and oil cooler
box and ducting may be all that's needed.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments you folks may have on my dilemma.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348848#348848
>
>
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler mount |
Linn,
Are you flying with your wheel pants on your 7? The reason I ask is we
goofed around with all different oil cooler locations and feed lines but
had 220 oil temps no matter what we did (RV-8A). Then we got to the point
during Phase 1 where we added the gear leg fairings & wheel pants. We
gained 14 knots TAS and now my oil never climbs above 205 and settles in
under 200 during 90+ OAT's. We feel really stupid wasting all that time
plus R&D when all we needed to do was to keep adding the required bits &
pieces.
I need to get away from this computer on a beautiful Sunday afternoon.
Good luck,
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Cooler mount
As I posted earlier, I have a friend with an RV-7 with high oil temps.
As I look at the cooler installation on his airplane, the air out of the
cooler dumps down into the corner of the cowl, where there is no real
airflow out the ramp. the other observation I have made is that the
differential pressure across the oil cooler is the same as the
differential across the cylinders as the oil cooler is in parallel.
Also, the square inches of the cooler is larger than the scat tubing
supplying the air.
I plan on making a plenum since I hate cowl seals.
So, two areas that may help: A larger scat tube to the cooler, and a
scat tube from the output of the cooler over to the ramp.
That experiment on the RV-7 is in process.
Linn
On 8/7/2011 5:40 PM, billz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"<billz@roadrunner.com>
>
> I know this topic has been discussed at length, but am looking for
guidance from some of those who've done it. I'm working the fuselage and
finish kit (and a little of the firewall forward) at the same time. I'm
not pleased with the airflow with the standard Vans oil cooler mount, but
am leaning towards using it with modifications.
>
> Based on forum discussions, I purchased the 2006X oil cooler and have
their fiberglass plenum. I intended to make my own mount with the
fiberglass plenum, to improve airflow, but am not doing well. I'd like to
mount the oil cooler horizontally so the airflow is directly into and out
of the oil cooler. I made a flange that attaches to the cooler, but can't
come up with any mount designs that seem to work. I can use the standard
mounting holes and configure a bracket that will be attached with it, but
I don't like the idea of having the bracket support the cooler with
tension loads on all the components. The cooler will fit horizontally in
that area, but will be at the bottom of all the standard mounting holes.
I can see some durability issues down the road. I could move the whole
thing to the other side of the engine, but don't really want to take up
space over there. It could be mounted on the baffle, but that will add
stress on the baffle and perhaps cause fatigue!
c!
> racking. After all this, I'm back to using the improved cooler with
the Vans mount.
>
> I seem to remember seeing some mounts that had an added deflector
installed inside the "V" box to provide better air distribution onto the
cooler. This makes a lot of sense that a small louver could direct part
of the air flow onto the top part of the cooler and make better use of the
cooling surface in the upper part of the oil cooler. I could make one,
but if someone else has already done it, I'd rather just buy it. If
anyone knows if someone has an oil cooler air deflector for sale, please
let me know.
>
> It seems that I talk with many who have no problems with the standard
design and I'm thinking that some effort put into sealing the baffles and
oil cooler box and ducting may be all that's needed.
>
> I'd appreciate any comments you folks may have on my dilemma.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348848#348848
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler mount |
Actually, I'm not flying .... still building ...... which is a good
thing since all the 'gotchas' should be solved by then!!! :-) :-)
I'll pass your comment on to my buddy though!!!
Linn
On 8/7/2011 6:14 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin Marks<robin@painttheweb.com>
>
> Linn,
> Are you flying with your wheel pants on your 7? The reason I ask is we
> goofed around with all different oil cooler locations and feed lines but
> had 220 oil temps no matter what we did (RV-8A). Then we got to the point
> during Phase 1 where we added the gear leg fairings& wheel pants. We
> gained 14 knots TAS and now my oil never climbs above 205 and settles in
> under 200 during 90+ OAT's. We feel really stupid wasting all that time
> plus R&D when all we needed to do was to keep adding the required bits&
> pieces.
> I need to get away from this computer on a beautiful Sunday afternoon.
> Good luck,
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 2:58 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Cooler mount
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Linn Walters<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> As I posted earlier, I have a friend with an RV-7 with high oil temps.
> As I look at the cooler installation on his airplane, the air out of the
> cooler dumps down into the corner of the cowl, where there is no real
> airflow out the ramp. the other observation I have made is that the
> differential pressure across the oil cooler is the same as the
> differential across the cylinders as the oil cooler is in parallel.
> Also, the square inches of the cooler is larger than the scat tubing
> supplying the air.
> I plan on making a plenum since I hate cowl seals.
> So, two areas that may help: A larger scat tube to the cooler, and a
> scat tube from the output of the cooler over to the ramp.
> That experiment on the RV-7 is in process.
> Linn
>
> On 8/7/2011 5:40 PM, billz wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "billz"<billz@roadrunner.com>
>>
>> I know this topic has been discussed at length, but am looking for
> guidance from some of those who've done it. I'm working the fuselage and
> finish kit (and a little of the firewall forward) at the same time. I'm
> not pleased with the airflow with the standard Vans oil cooler mount, but
> am leaning towards using it with modifications.
>> Based on forum discussions, I purchased the 2006X oil cooler and have
> their fiberglass plenum. I intended to make my own mount with the
> fiberglass plenum, to improve airflow, but am not doing well. I'd like to
> mount the oil cooler horizontally so the airflow is directly into and out
> of the oil cooler. I made a flange that attaches to the cooler, but can't
> come up with any mount designs that seem to work. I can use the standard
> mounting holes and configure a bracket that will be attached with it, but
> I don't like the idea of having the bracket support the cooler with
> tension loads on all the components. The cooler will fit horizontally in
> that area, but will be at the bottom of all the standard mounting holes.
> I can see some durability issues down the road. I could move the whole
> thing to the other side of the engine, but don't really want to take up
> space over there. It could be mounted on the baffle, but that will add
> stress on the baffle and perhaps cause fatigue!
> c!
>> racking. After all this, I'm back to using the improved cooler with
> the Vans mount.
>> I seem to remember seeing some mounts that had an added deflector
> installed inside the "V" box to provide better air distribution onto the
> cooler. This makes a lot of sense that a small louver could direct part
> of the air flow onto the top part of the cooler and make better use of the
> cooling surface in the upper part of the oil cooler. I could make one,
> but if someone else has already done it, I'd rather just buy it. If
> anyone knows if someone has an oil cooler air deflector for sale, please
> let me know.
>> It seems that I talk with many who have no problems with the standard
> design and I'm thinking that some effort put into sealing the baffles and
> oil cooler box and ducting may be all that's needed.
>> I'd appreciate any comments you folks may have on my dilemma.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348848#348848
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
Of course, when you are pushing 16 watts of a 430A vs 10 watts of a
standard 430W. 8 watts of the sL30 vs 10 watts of standard 430 is not a
meaningful power difference. Any detectable difference would have to be
explained in antenna differences.
On 8/7/2011 2:50 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Robin Marks<robin@painttheweb.com>
>
> The difference in receive& transmit between the 430W& SL30 is noticeable
> 30-80 miles out.
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
I believe any comm. radio would have an inhibit input line on it lest the
overwhelming power from a transmit antenna just a few feet away would
overwhelm the input of the second radio if not damaging it.
Richard Bibb
RV-10 very slo but gaining momentum build
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Primary Comm Radio
I have sl-30 #1, G-420 #2. Not sure there is any real reason to prefer one
over the other, although a minor point: G-420 has an inhibit input so the
receiver is off when transmitting on the SL-30, to prevent any feed thru if
it happens to be selected on the audio panel. I don't think the SL-30 has
such an input (?).
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Oil Cooler mount |
Just did the final mount of my oil cooler today. Photo attached. Photo was
taken before I added an Adel clamp and piece of angle to attach the forward
bottom flange of the cooler to the adjacent engine mount pipe. This forward
hard point is needed to prevent flexing of the cooler flanges if you just
had it attached only to the firewall. The two pieces of .063 angle are
attached on their inboard ends to the left tunnel vertical bulkhead angle.
I used Adel clamps for the outboard support attach points as there is no
good firewall support angle in that area.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of billz
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Cooler mount
I know this topic has been discussed at length, but am looking for guidance
from some of those who've done it. I'm working the fuselage and finish kit
(and a little of the firewall forward) at the same time. I'm not pleased
with the airflow with the standard Vans oil cooler mount, but am leaning
towards using it with modifications.
Based on forum discussions, I purchased the 2006X oil cooler and have their
fiberglass plenum. I intended to make my own mount with the fiberglass
plenum, to improve airflow, but am not doing well. I'd like to mount the
oil cooler horizontally so the airflow is directly into and out of the oil
cooler. I made a flange that attaches to the cooler, but can't come up with
any mount designs that seem to work. I can use the standard mounting holes
and configure a bracket that will be attached with it, but I don't like the
idea of having the bracket support the cooler with tension loads on all the
components. The cooler will fit horizontally in that area, but will be at
the bottom of all the standard mounting holes. I can see some durability
issues down the road. I could move the whole thing to the other side of the
engine, but don't really want to take up space over there. It could be
mounted on the baffle, but that will add stress on the baffle and perhaps
cause fatigue c!
racking. After all this, I'm back to using the improved cooler with the
Vans mount.
I seem to remember seeing some mounts that had an added deflector installed
inside the "V" box to provide better air distribution onto the cooler. This
makes a lot of sense that a small louver could direct part of the air flow
onto the top part of the cooler and make better use of the cooling surface
in the upper part of the oil cooler. I could make one, but if someone else
has already done it, I'd rather just buy it. If anyone knows if someone has
an oil cooler air deflector for sale, please let me know.
It seems that I talk with many who have no problems with the standard design
and I'm thinking that some effort put into sealing the baffles and oil
cooler box and ducting may be all that's needed.
I'd appreciate any comments you folks may have on my dilemma.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348848#348848
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
I'd go with what radio sounds better as my primary.
My 2 cents.
alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Bibb
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Primary Comm Radio
I believe any comm. radio would have an inhibit input line on it lest the
overwhelming power from a transmit antenna just a few feet away would
overwhelm the input of the second radio if not damaging it.
Richard Bibb
RV-10 very slo but gaining momentum build
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Primary Comm Radio
I have sl-30 #1, G-420 #2. Not sure there is any real reason to prefer one
over the other, although a minor point: G-420 has an inhibit input so the
receiver is off when transmitting on the SL-30, to prevent any feed thru if
it happens to be selected on the audio panel. I don't think the SL-30 has
such an input (?).
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
There may be a power difference between the radios, but at 2 1/2
years and 400 hours, I have not been aware of any difference between
the two. If anything, the SL-30 seems to be the stronger of the two,
but not significantly. Perhaps that could be antenna issues on my
airplane? At any rate, 400 hours with lots of IFR and no comm issues
at all using the SL-30 as primary. I feel like the radios that Garmin
bought from UPS (SL-30, 480, and GTX-330?) are superior. No
scientific reasons, just my feelings.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Aug 7, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> The difference in receive & transmit between the 430W & SL30 is
> noticeable
> 30-80 miles out.
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McMullen
> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 2:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Primary Comm Radio
>
>
> Not sure why you bought the optional extra power on the 430, but
> for the
> majority of folks with a standard 430 the power output with it and the
> SL30 will be identical at 8 watts.
>
>
> On 8/7/2011 12:05 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>> I do just the reverse. Comm 2 is always my WX comm. Here is why:
>>
>> 430W
>>
>> Transmit power:
>>
>>
>>
>> 10 watts minimum; 16 watts minimum (GNS 430A)
>>
>> SL30
>>
>> Transmit power 8 watts (carrier power)
>>
>> My G900X has dual 16 Watt comms. Nice to have J
>>
>> My 8A with a 430/SL30 has 1 - 16 Watt Comm & 1 - 8 Watt Comm. Use the
>> 16 for all your primary communication IMHO.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> ****
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler mount |
very clever
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 4:17 pm
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Cooler mount
Just did the final mount of my oil cooler today. Photo attached. Photo wa
s
aken before I added an Adel clamp and piece of angle to attach the forward
ottom flange of the cooler to the adjacent engine mount pipe. This forward
ard point is needed to prevent flexing of the cooler flanges if you just
ad it attached only to the firewall. The two pieces of .063 angle are
ttached on their inboard ends to the left tunnel vertical bulkhead angle.
used Adel clamps for the outboard support attach points as there is no
ood firewall support angle in that area.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of billz
ent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:40 PM
o: rv10-list@matronics.com
ubject: RV10-List: Oil Cooler mount
I know this topic has been discussed at length, but am looking for guidance
rom some of those who've done it. I'm working the fuselage and finish kit
and a little of the firewall forward) at the same time. I'm not pleased
ith the airflow with the standard Vans oil cooler mount, but am leaning
owards using it with modifications.
Based on forum discussions, I purchased the 2006X oil cooler and have their
iberglass plenum. I intended to make my own mount with the fiberglass
lenum, to improve airflow, but am not doing well. I'd like to mount the
il cooler horizontally so the airflow is directly into and out of the oil
ooler. I made a flange that attaches to the cooler, but can't come up with
ny mount designs that seem to work. I can use the standard mounting holes
nd configure a bracket that will be attached with it, but I don't like the
dea of having the bracket support the cooler with tension loads on all the
omponents. The cooler will fit horizontally in that area, but will be at
he bottom of all the standard mounting holes. I can see some durability
ssues down the road. I could move the whole thing to the other side of the
ngine, but don't really want to take up space over there. It could be
ounted on the baffle, but that will add stress on the baffle and perhaps
ause fatigue c!
racking. After all this, I'm back to using the improved cooler with the
ans mount.
I seem to remember seeing some mounts that had an added deflector installed
nside the "V" box to provide better air distribution onto the cooler. This
akes a lot of sense that a small louver could direct part of the air flow
nto the top part of the cooler and make better use of the cooling surface
n the upper part of the oil cooler. I could make one, but if someone else
as already done it, I'd rather just buy it. If anyone knows if someone has
n oil cooler air deflector for sale, please let me know.
It seems that I talk with many who have no problems with the standard desig
n
nd I'm thinking that some effort put into sealing the baffles and oil
ooler box and ducting may be all that's needed.
I'd appreciate any comments you folks may have on my dilemma.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348848#348848
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| Subject: | Re: Primary Comm Radio |
Mine is just like David's....the SL-30 is Nav1/Com1, and the
GNS480 is Nav2/Com2. I think it does make sense to plan it
partly around your EFIS. The SL-30 is about the easiest
to integrate for many people, and in David's and my case,
you can use the standby NAV to effectively have it draw
TWO NAV radio needles on the EFIS....so if your other
Nav/Com/GPS has one, it's like having 3 in the plane. The
SL-30 is the perfect fit for us Chelton users, because it
allows our EFIS to populate the frequencies for both ILS/Nav
and COM, right from the Chelton Database. It's a great
radio and even manually entering freqs it's what we use
for our primary radio. The ability to monitor a 2nd comm
freq is awesome. I can do the same on the GNS480, but I
do it all the time on the SL-30. Even flying to OSH, I was
talking to the guys in my flight on ACTV, and listening
to Fisk on STBY. Since my GNS480 has the same ability,
being an apollo product, it's like having 4 COM's and 4
NAV's in the plane.
Then, as others have said, I tend to do all my radio
work on the SL-30, and on the GNS480 that leaves me free
to tune in ATIS, call flightwatch work with FSS, or
whatever, and I'm not punching buttons on it all the
time. I can also use the 480 to pull up NRST VOR,
NRST Airport, and all the other good stuff since it has
an internal database.
Regarding transmit power, I don't even know off hand
what the transmit powers are anymore of my 2 radios,
but in 750+ hours of flying, both of the radios have
been flawless with belly mounted COM antennas. Ground,
Tower, ATC, and everyone else, has always had no
trouble talking to me, and I've had the airplane in
so many places that it's pretty much proven itself.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 8/7/2011 3:16 PM, David wrote:
> I have the SL-30 functioning as COMM 1 and the 430W as COMM 2. I do push
> VOR freqs from my Chelton into the SL-30 sometimes, but that is not a
> major factor for me. I can't tell you any particular reason I made that
> decision back during the build, but I am glad I did. (It is entirely
> possible that Stein recommended that setup, I just don't remember) The
> SL-30 is a really great radio IMHO. The ability to monitor two comm
> freqs as well as two VORs off of one radio is awesome. My VOR needles on
> the Chelton point to the primary VOR as well as the secondary or standby
> VOR in the SL-30. I have the flip-flop switch on my stick set up for
> COMM 1. My stack is set up with the SL-30 above the 430W, so maybe that
> is why I made the decision. Bottom line, it is probably not too
> important unless your EFIS setup makes one radio or the other preferable.
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> Flying
>
> On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am in the final stages (yeah right!) of wiring my panel. I have a
>> GNS430W and an SL30 amongst other toys. I am wondering which will be
>> most used from a comm perspective. I plan to have a flip / flop on the
>> stick and would like to make the right choice as to which radio is
>> connected to the switch.
>>
>> Any comments / opinions?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>> #40643
>>
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| Subject: | Primary Comm Radio |
Hi
Thank you to all that expressed an opinion on this thorny question. It
sounds like a split deciusion from those who are flying. Perhaps I need to
break out the magic eight ball...
Cheers
Les
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