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1. 06:47 AM - Re: -10 Plans (Lew Gallagher)
2. 08:19 AM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Pascal)
3. 09:26 AM - Re: Somewhat depressing... (Robin Marks)
4. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Sean Stephens)
5. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Rob Kochman)
6. 05:39 PM - Re: External Brake Lines - crack (rv10flyer)
7. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: External Brake Lines - crack (Sean Stephens)
8. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: External Brake Lines - crack (John Cumins)
9. 07:23 PM - Re: Interior lights (Strasnuts)
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Hey Shannon,
I had emailed you awhile back and don't remember getting a link, access, etc.
I'll try again: lewgall(at)charter.net , builder #40549. Thanks.
Later, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349175#349175
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| Subject: | Re: Somewhat depressing... |
Here's another one in SoCal I saw on the Socal RV list:
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Single+Engine+Piston/2008/Vans/RV-10/1298110.html
RV-10 with Chelton EFS & Air Conditioning - $180k Premium Van's RV-10.
Exceptional Workmanship With Attention to Detail. Lycoming IO-540 with Gammi
Injector, "400" SNEW. Vetterman Exhaust, Airflow Performance, MT 3 blade
performance prop (150kt @ 9.5gph'). Custom Mold-Injected Panel. Duel Screen
Chelton EFS, Trutrak Digiflight II Autopilot, AF2500 Engine Monitor,
Angle-of-Attack Indicator, GMA 340 Audio Panel, Garmin SL40 & SL30 COMM &
GTX327 Transponder. CO2 Monitor, Inline Backup Battery, Backup Analog Gauges
(Speed, Alt, Angle, OBS), Heated Seats and Air Conditioning, Custom Leather
Interior.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
I'm really not depressed, just thought it was an exceptional value. I know
I will get reasonable value out of my plane when the time comes and I
don't see offering it for sale anytime soon. I always seem to keep planes
longer than I thought I would and with the -10 what's an upgrade? Can't
really think of one at this time. N110EE just too good at all the things I
need it to do. Much like my 6A you build up a personal relationship with
your aircraft over time and it just fits. I really just wanted to point
out the unit to the list.
Placing Prozac back in the bottle now,
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
Robin,
You won't like this answer perhaps, but, the only time the
resale value matters is if you are selling it. And, if you
built your airplane for your own recreation and enjoyment,
then you're probably planning to keep your airplane for
a while and enjoy it. If the values dip $10,000, $20,000,
or even $50,000, it won't matter unless you end up having
to do a fire sale because you have big financial problems
or something. And if you were to just plain die, you died
a happy airplane owner and oh well, I guess your estate
ends up a little shorter.
To me, the biggest potential for loss of value AND loss
of enjoyment, is if fuel prices double or triple and
we can simply no longer afford to feed the engine.
If that happens, we'll all own boat anchors, and my plan
will be to stick a couple of widescreen monitors on
the glareshield and have the best friggin' $200,000
flight simulator you can have.
Also, part of the reason the values dropped is because so
many people got dollar signs in their eyeballs when the
RV-10 came out, and built it and then turned and sold it.
If nothing else, this will discourage people from building
to sell, further reducing the values, and keeping the
spirit of the process intact....and it may attract some
pilots to RV's in the long run too.
Tim
On 8/2/2011 12:21 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
>
> http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544
>
> *RV-10* <http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html>.
> $175,000 .*GREAT BUY*.2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152Hrs -
> Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather -
> TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of
> Attack Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory
> New Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emergency
> Essential Buss System - Leather Flightline Interior w/ center and
> overhead consoles - Many more Extras - Call_________(302) 293-2043_____.
> ContactDave Zack
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title
RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>-FT
> AVIATION
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title
RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%2Fmy_ads.php>,
> Owner - located Clayton, DE USA . Telephone:302 293-2043. . Posted July
> 28, 2011
>
>
http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/8b/f3/scaled_8bf3_106x80_572544-ISO1.jp
g
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http:/
/barnstormers.com/tmp_images/5b/03/scaled_5b03_106x80_572544-Int1.jpg
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http:/
/barnstormers.com/tmp_images/84/28/scaled_8428_106x80_572544-Panel1.jpg
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http:/
/barnstormers.com/tmp_images/c3/ce/scaled_c3ce_106x80_572544-Int2.jpg
>
<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>http:/
/barnstormers.com/tmp_images/91/78/scaled_9178_106x80_572544-OH1.jpg
> <http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
>
> Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good
> build with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
>
> I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc. Seems like a
> good deal.
>
> Robin
>
> Do Not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Somewhat depressing... |
With Air Conditioning! That's rare.
Nice panel. the MFD is too far away in my opinion but still nice plane
overall.
Robin
Do Not Archive
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Here's another one in SoCal I saw on the Socal RV list:
> http://www.trade-a-plane.com/**detail/Single+Engine+Piston/**
> 2008/Vans/RV-10/1298110.html<http://www.trade-a-plane.com/detail/Single+Engine+Piston/2008/Vans/RV-10/1298110.html>
>
> RV-10 with Chelton EFS & Air Conditioning - $180k Premium Van's RV-10.
> Exceptional Workmanship With Attention to Detail. Lycoming IO-540 with Gammi
> Injector, "400" SNEW. Vetterman Exhaust, Airflow Performance, MT 3 blade
> performance prop (150kt @ 9.5gph'). Custom Mold-Injected Panel. Duel Screen
> Chelton EFS, Trutrak Digiflight II Autopilot, AF2500 Engine Monitor,
> Angle-of-Attack Indicator, GMA 340 Audio Panel, Garmin SL40 & SL30 COMM &
> GTX327 Transponder. CO2 Monitor, Inline Backup Battery, Backup Analog Gauges
> (Speed, Alt, Angle, OBS), Heated Seats and Air Conditioning, Custom Leather
> Interior.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Robin Marks
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:46 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
>
>
> I'm really not depressed, just thought it was an exceptional value. I know
> I will get reasonable value out of my plane when the time comes and I
> don't see offering it for sale anytime soon. I always seem to keep planes
> longer than I thought I would and with the -10 what's an upgrade? Can't
> really think of one at this time. N110EE just too good at all the things I
> need it to do. Much like my 6A you build up a personal relationship with
> your aircraft over time and it just fits. I really just wanted to point
> out the unit to the list.
> Placing Prozac back in the bottle now,
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@**matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-**server@matronics.com<owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>]
> On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:19 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Somewhat depressing...
>
>
> Robin,
>
> You won't like this answer perhaps, but, the only time the
> resale value matters is if you are selling it. And, if you
> built your airplane for your own recreation and enjoyment,
> then you're probably planning to keep your airplane for
> a while and enjoy it. If the values dip $10,000, $20,000,
> or even $50,000, it won't matter unless you end up having
> to do a fire sale because you have big financial problems
> or something. And if you were to just plain die, you died
> a happy airplane owner and oh well, I guess your estate
> ends up a little shorter.
>
> To me, the biggest potential for loss of value AND loss
> of enjoyment, is if fuel prices double or triple and
> we can simply no longer afford to feed the engine.
> If that happens, we'll all own boat anchors, and my plan
> will be to stick a couple of widescreen monitors on
> the glareshield and have the best friggin' $200,000
> flight simulator you can have.
>
> Also, part of the reason the values dropped is because so
> many people got dollar signs in their eyeballs when the
> RV-10 came out, and built it and then turned and sold it.
> If nothing else, this will discourage people from building
> to sell, further reducing the values, and keeping the
> spirit of the process intact....and it may attract some
> pilots to RV's in the long run too.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 8/2/2011 12:21 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>> Just saw this on Barnstormers weekly email promotion.
>>
>> http://www.barnstormers.com/**ad_detail.php?ID=572544<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544>
>>
>> *RV-10* <http://www.barnstormers.com/**classified_572544_RV-10.html<http://www.barnstormers.com/classified_572544_RV-10.html>
>> >.
>> $175,000 .*GREAT BUY*.2008 RV-10 '09 OSH Bronze Lindy Winner - 152Hrs -
>> Garmin G1000 (G900X) Panel w/ Sythetic Vision - XM Satellite Weather -
>> TruTrak Sorcerer Autopilot with Altitude Pre-Select and VS - Angle of
>> Attack Indicator - Standby Dynon D10A EFIS - Prewired by Stein - Factory
>> New Lycoming IO-540 Electronic Ignition - Dual Battery - Emergency
>> Essential Buss System - Leather Flightline Interior w/ center and
>> overhead consoles - Many more Extras - Call_________(302) 293-2043_____.
>> ContactDave Zack
>>
>> <http://www.barnstormers.com/**contact_seller.php?to=116741&**
> id=572544&title=<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title=>
> RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%**2Fmy_ads.php>-FT
>
>> AVIATION
>>
>> <http://www.barnstormers.com/**contact_seller.php?to=116741&**
> id=572544&title=<http://www.barnstormers.com/contact_seller.php?to=116741&id=572544&title=>
> RV-10&return=%2Fad_manager%**2Fmy_ads.php>,
>
>> Owner - located Clayton, DE USA . Telephone:302 293-2043. . Posted July
>> 28, 2011
>>
>>
>> http://barnstormers.com/tmp_**images/8b/f3/scaled_8bf3_**
> 106x80_572544-ISO1.jp<http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/8b/f3/scaled_8bf3_106x80_572544-ISO1.jp>
> g
>
>>
>> <http://www.barnstormers.com/**ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_**images=1<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
> >http:/
> /barnstormers.com/tmp_images/**5b/03/scaled_5b03_106x80_**572544-Int1.jpg<http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/5b/03/scaled_5b03_106x80_572544-Int1.jpg>
>
>>
>> <http://www.barnstormers.com/**ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_**images=1<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
> >http:/
> /barnstormers.com/tmp_images/**84/28/scaled_8428_106x80_**
> 572544-Panel1.jpg<http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/84/28/scaled_8428_106x80_572544-Panel1.jpg>
>
>>
>> <http://www.barnstormers.com/**ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_**images=1<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
> >http:/
> /barnstormers.com/tmp_images/**c3/ce/scaled_c3ce_106x80_**572544-Int2.jpg<http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/c3/ce/scaled_c3ce_106x80_572544-Int2.jpg>
>
>>
>> <http://www.barnstormers.com/**ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_**images=1<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
> >http:/
> /barnstormers.com/tmp_images/**91/78/scaled_9178_106x80_**572544-OH1.jpg<http://barnstormers.com/tmp_images/91/78/scaled_9178_106x80_572544-OH1.jpg>
>
>> <http://www.barnstormers.com/**ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_**images=1<http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=572544&go_to_images=1>
>> >
>>
>> Looks pretty nice inside and has a G900X for $175K. Must be pretty good
>> build with the 09 Bronze Lindy.
>>
>> I expected mine to be closer to $250 with the G900X etc. Seems like a
>> good deal.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: External Brake Lines - crack |
For those using the 5052 tubing, did you use the .305 or .277 inside
diameter?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/alumtube_5052.php
Thanks,
-Sean #40303
On 7/11/11 11:43 AM, John Cumins wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cumins"<jcumins@jcis.net>
>
> I believe that Vans is using poor quality tubing. In production aircraft
> they use 5052 based alum tubing. Vans supplies 301 based soft tubing. So I
> have decided to not use any tubing material from Vans and order all 5052
> tubing that one can get a good flare on with out the worries of cracking
> like the 301 based tubing.
>
> I will use Teflon hosed with fire sleeve on all fluid hoses in the engine
> compartment.
>
> Just my 3 cents worth
>
>
> John Cumins
> President
> 707-425-7100
> 707-425-7576 Fax
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| Subject: | Re: External Brake Lines - crack |
I used the thinner walled stuff (i.e. the .305 ID or .035 wall thickness),
which I think matches the thickness of the 3003 Van's ships. Note these are
the measurements for the 3/8" tubing, so I assume you're talking about fuel
lines.
-Rob
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com>wrote:
>
> For those using the 5052 tubing, did you use the .305 or .277 inside
> diameter?
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/**catalog/mepages/alumtube_5052.**php<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/alumtube_5052.php>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> On 7/11/11 11:43 AM, John Cumins wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John Cumins"<jcumins@jcis.net>
>>
>> I believe that Vans is using poor quality tubing. In production aircraft
>> they use 5052 based alum tubing. Vans supplies 301 based soft tubing. So
>> I
>> have decided to not use any tubing material from Vans and order all 5052
>> tubing that one can get a good flare on with out the worries of cracking
>> like the 301 based tubing.
>>
>> I will use Teflon hosed with fire sleeve on all fluid hoses in the engine
>> compartment.
>>
>> Just my 3 cents worth
>>
>>
>> John Cumins
>> President
>> 707-425-7100
>> 707-425-7576 Fax
>>
>
>
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: External Brake Lines - crack |
I used .035" wall thickness on fuel and brake lines. Est what you'll need then
order 2 ea extra 6' lengths of each size. Shipping is higher on the long boxes.
I purcased ss/teflon flex brake line set from Bonaco.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349224#349224
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| Subject: | Re: External Brake Lines - crack |
Yes, sorry. 3/8 fuel line.
Thanks for the input.
On 8/11/11 7:02 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> I used the thinner walled stuff (i.e. the .305 ID or .035 wall
> thickness), which I think matches the thickness of the 3003 Van's
> ships. Note these are the measurements for the 3/8" tubing, so I
> assume you're talking about fuel lines.
> -Rob
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com
> <mailto:sean@stephensville.com>> wrote:
>
> <sean@stephensville.com <mailto:sean@stephensville.com>>
>
> For those using the 5052 tubing, did you use the .305 or .277
> inside diameter?
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/mepages/alumtube_5052.php
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> On 7/11/11 11:43 AM, John Cumins wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "John
> Cumins"<jcumins@jcis.net <mailto:jcumins@jcis.net>>
>
> I believe that Vans is using poor quality tubing. In
> production aircraft
> they use 5052 based alum tubing. Vans supplies 301 based soft
> tubing. So I
> have decided to not use any tubing material from Vans and
> order all 5052
> tubing that one can get a good flare on with out the worries
> of cracking
> like the 301 based tubing.
>
> I will use Teflon hosed with fire sleeve on all fluid hoses in
> the engine
> compartment.
>
> Just my 3 cents worth
>
>
> John Cumins
> President
> 707-425-7100 <tel:707-425-7100>
> 707-425-7576 <tel:707-425-7576> Fax
>
> ======================scription,
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"
> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> ======================ttp://forums.matronics.com/"
> target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
> ====================== -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
> ===============================
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: External Brake Lines - crack |
I will be doing the same. Due to the massive flexing of the gear lag I
think the Flix lines will last much better than any hard line will. And the
Flex of the gear legs will never become an issue at all.
But I will do all hard lines as per plans just with 5052 lines not 3003
lines. Probably Branco flex lines on the brake systems where needed to.
Those plastic lines shoe not be allowed on the plane at all.
John Cumins
40864 Wing skin deburring
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: External Brake Lines - crack
I used .035" wall thickness on fuel and brake lines. Est what you'll need
then order 2 ea extra 6' lengths of each size. Shipping is higher on the
long boxes. I purcased ss/teflon flex brake line set from Bonaco.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349224#349224
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| Subject: | Re: Interior lights |
Lights are now available at planearound.com
--------
40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
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