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1. 12:00 AM - Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting (Bob Turner)
2. 03:11 AM - Re: Final NTSB report on Todd Swezey's accident (Michael Kraus)
3. 04:26 AM - Re: Final NTSB report on Todd Swezey's accident (Werner Schneider)
4. 04:45 AM - Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting (Linn Walters)
5. 05:15 AM - Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting (rv10flyer)
6. 05:43 AM - Tools for sale (Gary Specketer)
7. 05:51 AM - Slick mag problem (Eric_Kallio)
8. 06:03 AM - Re: Slick mag problem (Kelly McMullen)
9. 06:30 AM - Re: Final NTSB report on Todd Swezey's accident (DLM)
10. 07:20 AM - Re: Slick mag problem (Eric_Kallio)
11. 07:21 AM - Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting (jayb)
12. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: Slick mag problem (Kelly McMullen)
13. 08:07 AM - Re: Slick mag problem (Eric_Kallio)
14. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting (Bill Watson)
15. 11:01 AM - Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting (Jim Berry)
16. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting (Robin Marks)
17. 02:28 PM - air box alternate air (lbgjb10)
18. 03:01 PM - Re: air box alternate air (Jim Berry)
19. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: air box alternate air (Linn Walters)
20. 03:23 PM - Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Tim Olson)
21. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: air box alternate air (Rene Felker)
22. 03:50 PM - Re: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Dj Merrill)
23. 04:29 PM - Re: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Bruce Johnson)
24. 04:44 PM - Re: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (pilotdds)
25. 05:02 PM - Re: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Kelly McMullen)
26. 05:04 PM - Re: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Bruce Johnson)
27. 05:42 PM - Re: air box alternate air (Bob Turner)
28. 05:55 PM - Re: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Bob Leffler)
29. 06:34 PM - Re: Insurance was: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Robin Marks)
30. 06:48 PM - Re: Insurance was: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Jack Phillips)
31. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: air box alternate air (Kelly McMullen)
32. 07:54 PM - Re: Insurance was: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting |
A standard drill-mounted 2 1/4" hole cutter, with a 1/4" pilot drill, from any
hardware store will cut a few holes in the panel before it gets too dull.
For the adjustment knob cut outs I like an abrasive tool of the right diameter
in a Dremmel or similar tool. Finish with a file.
The 3 or 4 screw mounting holes are tricky, but I've found a paper template (matched
to the instrument) will get you very close. You may have to oversize or
slot one or more holes a bit unless you're very careful.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Final NTSB report on Todd Swezey's accident |
Link didn't work for me??
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Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 15, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/mm04tyq440db21b4iuke52qe1/X08
152011120000.pdf
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> Not very enlightening.
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> -Rob
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> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: Final NTSB report on Todd Swezey's accident |
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id 100509X25424&ntsbno=ERA10LA256&akey=1
Is the full narrative report, not sure it is different to below
On 16.08.2011 12:08, Michael Kraus wrote:
> Link didn't work for me??
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> Do not archive
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 15, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com
> <mailto:rv10rob@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> <http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/mm04tyq440db21b4iuke52qe1/X08152011120000.pdf>http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/mm04tyq440db21b4iuke52qe1/X08152011120000.pdf
>> Not very enlightening.
>> -Rob
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>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> <http://kochman.net/N819K>http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting |
I'm fortunate in that I have a friend with a punch!! I think the hole
template is well worth the cost. You'll end up with a much better
looking panel IMHO. Barring that, for the mounting screw holes you can
buy layout blue in a spray can and use a scale and scribe to measure the
centers. I also use sharpened screws in the holes to mark the spots.
As for the holes with a cutout ..... sometimes you can use the offending
part to scribe around it ..... or use a set of files to 'file, fit,
file, fit'.
Linn
On 8/16/2011 12:34 AM, jayb wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "jayb"<jaybrinkmeyer@yahoo.com>
>
> Does anyone know of a good tutorial for panel layout / cutting? I understand
that Kitplanes May 2006 issue had a good article, but sadly I don't have it.
>
> I'm especially interested in how to cut the combo hole for Altimeter w/ knob.
I found a panel layout template and mounting hole jig in ACS. Anyone know if
those are worth the $$?
>
> I'm comfortable using a fly cutter for the four 2.25" steam gauges. However,
it seems that accuracy is required for screw holes on gauges and EFISes.
>
> Any tips, tricks, time savers or pointers to further information is appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
>
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| Subject: | Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting |
I layed out all dim on panel, applied masking tape to bottom of jig saw, cut, filed,
sanded, painted in one day. Mark and drilled mounting holes when you receive
avionics.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
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Thanks to all who responded to the tools for sale. The family and I are
sorting through the many responses and will get back with you as we get
things sorted out.
Gary Specketer
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| Subject: | Slick mag problem |
36.4 hours on the airframe and on the mag check I had a 400 RPM drop. For some
more background in the first runs with the engine after install the mag drop was
about 125 RPM. As I progressed through phase 1 the mag drop got worse and I
thought I was having fouled plug issues by not being able to lean (James Cowl)
because following a fouled plug clearing procedure the mag drop would be back
into 'acceptable' ranges. After extensive troubleshooting by myself and a couple
of other mechanics we found the output of the coil to be very weak with some
'abnormal resistance' as they called it through the condenser. I called the
engine manufacturer about the problem, and of course they are trying to work
something, but they are merely the middle man. Anyone ever had any luck getting
warranty work from the manufacturer of the Slick mags? I am supposed to be
heading out on a trip next week and can't afford to be screwing around with the
crap mag for awhile.
Eric Kallio
N518RV... Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Slick mag problem |
I'd replace the defective parts, keep the bad ones and receipts for all you
did. Yes, it may cost you a few hundred up front, you may or may not get
reimbursed, but your plane will be flying and your trip won't be ruined. If
you are lucky, you will get reimbursed. IIRC I think Champion now owns
Slick. I know Unison sold their aircraft product business lines to several
other companies. Tempest got the spark plug business.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Eric_Kallio <scout019@msn.com> wrote:
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> 36.4 hours on the airframe and on the mag check I had a 400 RPM drop. For
> some more background in the first runs with the engine after install the mag
> drop was about 125 RPM. As I progressed through phase 1 the mag drop got
> worse and I thought I was having fouled plug issues by not being able to
> lean (James Cowl) because following a fouled plug clearing procedure the mag
> drop would be back into 'acceptable' ranges. After extensive troubleshooting
> by myself and a couple of other mechanics we found the output of the coil to
> be very weak with some 'abnormal resistance' as they called it through the
> condenser. I called the engine manufacturer about the problem, and of course
> they are trying to work something, but they are merely the middle man.
> Anyone ever had any luck getting warranty work from the manufacturer of the
> Slick mags? I am supposed to be heading out on a trip next week and can't
> afford to be screwing around with the crap mag for awhile.
>
> Eric Kallio
> N518RV... Flying
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349619#349619
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| Subject: | Final NTSB report on Todd Swezey's accident |
Without an airframe to examine what result can be expected? Check
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 100509X25424&key=1
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Werner Schneider
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Final NTSB report on Todd Swezey's accident
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id 100509X25424&ntsbno=ER
A10LA256&akey=1
Is the full narrative report, not sure it is different to below
On 16.08.2011 12:08, Michael Kraus wrote:
> Link didn't work for me??
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> Do not archive
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 15, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com
> <mailto:rv10rob@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>
<http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/mm04tyq440db21b4iuke52qe1/X081
52011120000.pdf>http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/mm04tyq440db21b
4iuke52qe1/X08152011120000.pdf
>> Not very enlightening.
>> -Rob
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>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> <http://kochman.net/N819K>http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: Slick mag problem |
Kelly, that's what I was looking at doing. Just wasn't sure if there was a hot
swap program with the manufacturer before laying out the couple hundred bucks.
I have also been digging for repair manuals to see if the coil and condenser
on the 6000 and 4000 series are the same. I have access to a brand new 4000 series
mag for float parts but won't touch it until I know if the parts are compatible,
but service manuals for the Slick mags are tough to come by in my neck
of the woods. I am awaiting a call back from the engine manufacturer and Slick
a.k.a. Champion about the issue.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting |
Thanks for the link!
I'm not opposed to cutting my own panel. It's just time and effort, right? Been
building for nearly 8 years, so what's another couple of months. :-) Having said
that, I would like to leverage the knowledge and/or work that's already been
done if possible to improve the result. Especially if someone else already
has a similar layout and/or use of "known to deliver" vendors.
I hadn't seen ACS software. Interesting... However, I wouldn't consider purchasing
layout software or CAD without knowing 1) does it support -10 panels? 2)
does it provide all the widgets I have to install and 3) Has anyone else used
it to verify that it's accurate and ready for CNC. It would make me crazy to
churn through endless iterations before getting it right.
It may be less headache to go low tech and simply layout directly on the panel
blank. That way I can fine tune placement while sitting in the cockpit making
airplane noises.
Cheers,
Jay
[quote="dogsbark(at)comcast.net"]A few options:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/panelplanner.php (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pspages/panelplanner.php)
http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/products/showcase/instrument-panels/index.html (http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/products/showcase/instrument-panels/index.html)
Sean Blair
RV-7
> [b]
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| Subject: | Re: Slick mag problem |
I show K3975 coil for 42xx and 63xx mags, k3984 capacitor for both series.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Eric_Kallio <scout019@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Kelly, that's what I was looking at doing. Just wasn't sure if there was a
> hot swap program with the manufacturer before laying out the couple hundred
> bucks. I have also been digging for repair manuals to see if the coil and
> condenser on the 6000 and 4000 series are the same. I have access to a brand
> new 4000 series mag for float parts but won't touch it until I know if the
> parts are compatible, but service manuals for the Slick mags are tough to
> come by in my neck of the woods. I am awaiting a call back from the engine
> manufacturer and Slick a.k.a. Champion about the issue.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349630#349630
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| Subject: | Re: Slick mag problem |
Thanks Kelly. I now have a temporary solution for sure.
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting |
I low tech'd it. Used someone's layout program for some early gross
layouts. Then just drew directly on one of Stein's 3 piece panels.
Just didn't feel like committing it all to a CNC effort. Would do it
the same way if I had to do it again.
Sounds like you have a few round holes - I used a fly cutter and hole
cutter... they worked fine as long as care is used.
I had a lot of square holes including 9 or 10 rockers and half a dozen
indicators. A square file made very quick and easy work of them - I was
totally surprised!
Low tech let's you think as you lay the thing out. Good luck.
Bill "just had a love-in with a DAR" Watson
It may be less headache to go low tech and simply layout directly on the panel
blank. That way I can fine tune placement while sitting in the cockpit making
airplane noises.
Cheers,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting |
Jay,
You might want to consider Omnijet for water jet cutting, just up the road from
you in Denver. They can convert your hand drawings to CAD and do very nice work.
Talk to Nigel at 303-427-6255. He is a pilot and RV builder wanna be.
Jim Berry
N15JB
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| Subject: | Re: tips on panel hole layout and cutting |
Not sure if this was mentioned earlier but I used XPanel (
http://www.xpanelsoftware.com/ ) for laying out my 8A panel. It was really
easy to use with the library of avionics and allows you to output to a
printer/plotter to tape a paper version on your panel for review and then I
believe you can export the completed panel for CNC/Water Jet etc... Under
$100.00.
Good luck
Robin
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> wrote:
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> Jay,
>
> You might want to consider Omnijet for water jet cutting, just up the road
> from you in Denver. They can convert your hand drawings to CAD and do very
> nice work. Talk to Nigel at 303-427-6255. He is a pilot and RV builder
> wanna be.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349661#349661
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| Subject: | air box alternate air |
Taking things apart at annual. Noticed that alternate air doesn't seem to work
right. Picture 2 shows it closed and under tab to keep it closed. Picture 1
shows it fully ?? open. BUT when you close it, it won't slide under tab for
closing unless you have the tab loose, but then it closes, but stays open a little
bit. Any suggestions?? thanks.
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Larry and Gayle N104LG
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| Subject: | Re: air box alternate air |
My recollection is that Van indicates in the FAB instructions that once the alternate
air door is opened, it cannot be closed while in flight i.e. you must pull
the cowl to get it fully closed.
Jim Berry
N15JB
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| Subject: | Re: air box alternate air |
OK, let's think this through. The door is there to bypass a plugged
filter ... ice or snow ...... bird ...... or maybe to get around the
pressure drop across the filter, I dunno. Anyway, why not hinge the
door on the inside ..... make the door larger than the opening and hold
it closed with a magnet of sufficient tenacity so normal operation won't
open the door. If the filter becomes clogged the suction automatically
opens the door. No controls needed, and it automatically resets.
Now I agree that there there's some testing involved regarding the
tenacity of the magnet. Moving the magnet further from it's metal catch
.... layers of paper or plastic will move the magnet away a smidgen at a
time.
An alternate method would be a weak spring ....
Any discussion???
Linn
On 8/16/2011 5:58 PM, Jim Berry wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Berry"<jimberry@qwest.net>
>
> My recollection is that Van indicates in the FAB instructions that once the alternate
air door is opened, it cannot be closed while in flight i.e. you must
pull the cowl to get it fully closed.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Aviation Humor - Garmin Style |
It's just too much to take....and one of the biggest jokes
of the industry.
I just got a promo email of the "new low garmin prices"...
"Save $800 on the garmin 696".
You can buy it all right now for $2199.
With the way tablets and 3rd party software are priced
these days, this is just plain silly.
Ok, ok, want to hear another joke?
After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings
that their rates are too high, and they have no clue
when it comes to pricing experimental aircraft, I got
yet another mailing today. When will they learn...
My dad called them during OSH to find out what an RV-12
would cost to insure. $3500!!!
I'm sorry, I'm sorry....these things just have me rolling
on the floor.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: air box alternate air |
This goes way back in my memory.....but I think this was discussed when I
first started my project and I think may have even been an option then. The
problem with the magnet, etc. it is that it is not being controlled by the
pilot and it can be activated without you knowing and thus you could be
by-passing the filter all the time without even knowing........just my
opinion. Since it is one safety device that I don't ever what to have to
use, if I ever needed it and I have to remove the cowl to reset, I don't see
it as much of a problem.
Just an opinion....maybe not even a good one.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: air box alternate air
OK, let's think this through. The door is there to bypass a plugged
filter ... ice or snow ...... bird ...... or maybe to get around the
pressure drop across the filter, I dunno. Anyway, why not hinge the
door on the inside ..... make the door larger than the opening and hold
it closed with a magnet of sufficient tenacity so normal operation won't
open the door. If the filter becomes clogged the suction automatically
opens the door. No controls needed, and it automatically resets.
Now I agree that there there's some testing involved regarding the
tenacity of the magnet. Moving the magnet further from it's metal catch
.... layers of paper or plastic will move the magnet away a smidgen at a
time.
An alternate method would be a weak spring ....
Any discussion???
Linn
On 8/16/2011 5:58 PM, Jim Berry wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Jim Berry"<jimberry@qwest.net>
>
> My recollection is that Van indicates in the FAB instructions that once
the alternate air door is opened, it cannot be closed while in flight i.e.
you must pull the cowl to get it fully closed.
>
> Jim Berry
> N15JB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349688#349688
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On 8/16/2011 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings
> that their rates are too high, and they have no clue
> when it comes to pricing experimental aircraft,
They don't even know how to price certified aircraft. They quoted
me around $1800 to cover a 1975 Grumman AA1B for a $19,000 coverage
value. I bought a policy elsewhere with identical coverage for $588. I
took the time to write back to the Avemco agent telling him why I bought
the policy elsewhere (namely, price), and the response I got was a weak
attempt to justify the higher cost, describing quality of service, etc.
I explained that $1200 buys a lot of avgas which translates to quality
flight time...
Does anyone actually do business with Avemco?
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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Same experience here, I used them early on as no one wanted to insure a low
-time pilot.-I thought they were doing me a favor until I got a little
time and some other quotes. They were almost 35% higher than my current pro
vider. Maybe all of the ten owners ought to get together with one provider
to see if we can get a better rate. I am with Falcon [broker]-on mine and
I think I am paying around $2500--=0A=0A=0AFrom: Dj Merrill <deej@deej
.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 P
M=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style=0A=0A--> RV10-Lis
t message posted by: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>=0A=0AOn 8/16/2011 6:20 PM,
Tim Olson wrote:=0A> =0A> After years of me replying back to Avemco's maili
ngs=0A> that their rates are too high, and they have no clue=0A> when it co
mes to pricing experimental aircraft,=0A=0A- - They don't even know how
to price certified aircraft.- They quoted me around $1800 to cover a 197
5 Grumman AA1B for a $19,000 coverage value.- I bought a policy elsewhere
with identical coverage for $588.- I took the time to write back to the
Avemco agent telling him why I bought the policy elsewhere (namely, price),
and the response I got was a weak attempt to justify the higher cost, desc
ribing quality of service, etc.- I explained that $1200 buys a lot of avg
as which translates to quality flight time...=0A=0A- - Does anyone actu
ally do business with Avemco?=0A=0A-Dj=0A=0A-- Dj Merrill - N1JOV=0ASportsm
an 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/=0AGlastar Flyer N8
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| Subject: | Re: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style |
what are you guys using as a hull value?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
Same experience here, I used them early on as no one wanted to insure a low
time pilot. I thought they were doing me a favor until I got a little time
and some other quotes. They were almost 35% higher than my current provide
r. Maybe all of the ten owners ought to get together with one provider to s
ee if we can get a better rate. I am with Falcon [broker] on mine and I thi
nk I am paying around $2500
From: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
On 8/16/2011 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings
> that their rates are too high, and they have no clue
> when it comes to pricing experimental aircraft,
They don't even know how to price certified aircraft. They quoted me a
round $1800 to cover a 1975 Grumman AA1B for a $19,000 coverage value. I b
ought a policy elsewhere with identical coverage for $588. I took the time
to write back to the Avemco agent telling him why I bought the policy else
where (namely, price), and the response I got was a weak attempt to justify
the higher cost, describing quality of service, etc. I explained that $12
00 buys a lot of avgas which translates to quality flight time...
Does anyone actually do business with Avemco?
-Dj
-- Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://www.matronics.com/Na - MATRONICS
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They gave me a good rate in Alaska, and when I moved to Aridzona, and
the first 6 months changing to cover the Mooney I bought with maybe 30
hours of retract time. Their price on renewal jumped several hundred
dollars, I found a better rate, and they have never ever come close to
my current rate, even with their lesser coverage, as they in the past
would not write a million smooth policy.
On 8/16/2011 4:24 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> Same experience here, I used them early on as no one wanted to insure
> a low time pilot. I thought they were doing me a favor until I got a
> little time and some other quotes. They were almost 35% higher than my
> current provider. Maybe all of the ten owners ought to get together
> with one provider to see if we can get a better rate. I am with Falcon
> [broker] on mine and I think I am paying around $2500
>
> *From:* Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
>
> <mailto:deej@deej.net>>
>
> On 8/16/2011 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> >
> > After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings
> > that their rates are too high, and they have no clue
> > when it comes to pricing experimental aircraft,
>
> They don't even know how to price certified aircraft. They quoted
> me around $1800 to cover a 1975 Grumman AA1B for a $19,000 coverage
> value. I bought a policy elsewhere with identical coverage for $588.
> I took the time to write back to the Avemco agent telling him why I
> bought the policy elsewhere (namely, price), and the response I got
> was a weak attempt to justify the higher cost, describing quality of
> service, etc. I explained that $1200 buys a lot of avgas which
> translates to quality flight time...
>
> Does anyone actually do business with Avemco?
>
> -Dj
>
> -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://www.matronics.com/Na -
> MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -bsp;
> w.matronics.com/contribution"
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| Subject: | Re: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style |
$ 150,000.00 for mine, And I know its under valued, I just don't plan on us
ing it. I have around that just in parts and pieces.=0A=0A=0AFrom: pilotdds
<pilotdds@aol.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, August 1
6, 2011 4:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style=0A
=0A=0Awhat are you guys using as a hull value?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original
Message-----=0AFrom: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>=0ATo: rv10-l
ist <rv10-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:30 pm=0ASubject:
Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style=0A=0A=0ASame experience here,
I used them early on as no one wanted to insure a low-time pilot.-I tho
ught they were doing me a favor until I got a little time and some other qu
otes. They were almost 35% higher than my current provider. Maybe all of th
e ten owners ought to get together with one provider to see if we can get a
better rate. I am with Falcon [broker]-on mine and I think I am paying a
round $2500--=0A=0A=0AFrom: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 PM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-
j Merrill <deej@deej.net>=0A=0AOn 8/16/2011 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:=0A>
=0A> After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings=0A> that their ra
tes are too high, and they have no clue=0A> when it comes to pricing experi
mental aircraft,=0A=0A- - They don't even know how to price certified a
ircraft.- They quoted me around $1800 to cover a 1975 Grumman AA1B for a
$19,000 coverage value.- I bought a policy elsewhere with identical cover
age for $588.- I took the time to write back to the Avemco agent telling
him why I bought the policy elsewhere (namely, price), and the response I g
ot was a weak attempt to justify the higher cost, describing quality of ser
vice, etc.- I explained that $1200 buys a lot of avgas which translates t
o quality flight time...=0A=0A- - Does anyone actually do business with
Avemco?=0A=0A-Dj=0A=0A-- Dj Merrill - N1JOV=0ASportsman 2+2 Builder #7118
N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/=0AGlastar Flyer N866RH - http://www.mat
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| Subject: | Re: air box alternate air |
Vans' instructions definitely say that once pulled, you have to drop the cowl and
manually reset it to fully closed.
There are some production aircraft with "automatic" alternate air, as you describe.
But i suspect alternate air is needed so seldom that the re-setting is just
a once in a blue moon thing.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349708#349708
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I'm having this debate with my insurance agent at the moment too. If I
insure to cover market value, which is about $50k more than my direct
expense. If I insure for my direct expense, it's about $1k/yr less.
What's is at risk then is my labor.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
what are you guys using as a hull value?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
Same experience here, I used them early on as no one wanted to insure a low
time pilot. I thought they were doing me a favor until I got a little time
and some other quotes. They were almost 35% higher than my current provider.
Maybe all of the ten owners ought to get together with one provider to see
if we can get a better rate. I am with Falcon [broker] on mine and I think I
am paying around $2500
From: Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
On 8/16/2011 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings
> that their rates are too high, and they have no clue
> when it comes to pricing experimental aircraft,
They don't even know how to price certified aircraft. They quoted me
around $1800 to cover a 1975 Grumman AA1B for a $19,000 coverage value. I
bought a policy elsewhere with identical coverage for $588. I took the time
to write back to the Avemco agent telling him why I bought the policy
elsewhere (namely, price), and the response I got was a weak attempt to
justify the higher cost, describing quality of service, etc. I explained
that $1200 buys a lot of avgas which translates to quality flight time...
Does anyone actually do business with Avemco?
-Dj
-- Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://www.matronics.com/Na
<http://deej.net/glastar/> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -bsp;
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance was: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style |
50:1 sounds about right. $3,000 for $150-175,000.
What is at risk is your labor ONLY in the case of a total claim. If you hav
e
damage that is less than the total you are still covered and have saved a
few dollars along the way.
That being said you are actually risking TWICE your labor as you will have
had to build two -10's in a total loss situation while only being reimburse
d
for the bits and pieces.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:02 PM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
I=92m having this debate with my insurance agent at the moment too. If I
insure to cover market value, which is about $50k more than my direct
expense. If I insure for my direct expense, it=92s about $1k/yr less.
What=92s is at risk then is my labor.
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *pilotdds
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:42 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
what are you guys using as a hull value?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
Same experience here, I used them early on as no one wanted to insure a
low time pilot. I thought they were doing me a favor until I got a little
time and some other quotes. They were almost 35% higher than my current
provider. Maybe all of the ten owners ought to get together with one
provider to see if we can get a better rate. I am with Falcon [broker] on
mine and I think I am paying around $2500
*From:* Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net>
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
On 8/16/2011 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings
> that their rates are too high, and they have no clue
> when it comes to pricing experimental aircraft,
They don't even know how to price certified aircraft. They quoted me
around $1800 to cover a 1975 Grumman AA1B for a $19,000 coverage value. I
bought a policy elsewhere with identical coverage for $588. I took the tim
e
to write back to the Avemco agent telling him why I bought the policy
elsewhere (namely, price), and the response I got was a weak attempt to
justify the higher cost, describing quality of service, etc. I explained
that $1200 buys a lot of avgas which translates to quality flight time...
Does anyone actually do business with Avemco?
-Dj
-- Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://www.matronics.com/Na - MATRONICS
WEB FORUMS -bsp; w.matronics.com/contribution"
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| Subject: | Insurance was: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style |
Problem is, if you under-insure it and then damage it in an accident, the
agency can call it totalled for that under-insured value and you then lose
your airplane to them.
Jack Phillips
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance was: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
50:1 sounds about right. $3,000 for $150-175,000.
What is at risk is your labor ONLY in the case of a total claim. If you have
damage that is less than the total you are still covered and have saved a
few dollars along the way.
That being said you are actually risking TWICE your labor as you will have
had to build two -10's in a total loss situation while only being reimbursed
for the bits and pieces.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:02 PM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
I'm having this debate with my insurance agent at the moment too. If I
insure to cover market value, which is about $50k more than my direct
expense. If I insure for my direct expense, it's about $1k/yr less.
What's is at risk then is my labor.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pilotdds
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
what are you guys using as a hull value?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Johnson < <mailto:bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
Same experience here, I used them early on as no one wanted to insure a low
time pilot. I thought they were doing me a favor until I got a little time
and some other quotes. They were almost 35% higher than my current provider.
Maybe all of the ten owners ought to get together with one provider to see
if we can get a better rate. I am with Falcon [broker] on mine and I think I
am paying around $2500
From: Dj Merrill < <mailto:deej@deej.net> deej@deej.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
deej@deej.net>
On 8/16/2011 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings
> that their rates are too high, and they have no clue
> when it comes to pricing experimental aircraft,
They don't even know how to price certified aircraft. They quoted me
around $1800 to cover a 1975 Grumman AA1B for a $19,000 coverage value. I
bought a policy elsewhere with identical coverage for $588. I took the time
to write back to the Avemco agent telling him why I bought the policy
elsewhere (namely, price), and the response I got was a weak attempt to
justify the higher cost, describing quality of service, etc. I explained
that $1200 buys a lot of avgas which translates to quality flight time...
Does anyone actually do business with Avemco?
-Dj
-- Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - <http://deej.net/sportsman/>
http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - <http://deej.net/glastar/>
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| Subject: | Re: air box alternate air |
My Mooney has automatic alternate air. A circular plate on the inside of air
filter box, held closed by a spring that is secured with nut and cotter pin.
Nut is tightened to provide 3-4 lbs pressure holding plate closed. It has
enough area that if something like 1 psi suction develops in the air box, it
opens, otherwise closes.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
> Vans' instructions definitely say that once pulled, you have to drop the
> cowl and manually reset it to fully closed.
>
> There are some production aircraft with "automatic" alternate air, as you
> describe. But i suspect alternate air is needed so seldom that the
> re-setting is just a once in a blue moon thing.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349708#349708
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance was: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style |
Only if you agree to such a settlement. It is a calculation of insured
loss vs claim vs salvage value. When claim plus salvage equals insured
value, they will offer to total. You can counter. It becomes a financial
decision, just as the stated insured value is a financial decision.
Insure too high and they will refuse to total something that really
should be totalled.
On 8/16/2011 6:44 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Problem is, if you under-insure it and then damage it in an accident,
> the agency can call it totalled for that under-insured value and you
> then lose your airplane to them.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
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>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Marks
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:32 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Insurance was: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
>
> 50:1 sounds about right. $3,000 for $150-175,000.
>
> What is at risk is your labor ONLY in the case of a total claim. If
> you have damage that is less than the total you are still covered and
> have saved a few dollars along the way.
>
> That being said you are actually risking TWICE your labor as you will
> have had to build two -10's in a total loss situation while only being
> reimbursed for the bits and pieces.
>
> Robin
>
> Sent from my iPad2.
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>
> On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:02 PM, "Bob Leffler" <rv@thelefflers.com
> <mailto:rv@thelefflers.com>> wrote:
>
>> Im having this debate with my insurance agent at the moment too. If
>> I insure to cover market value, which is about $50k more than my
>> direct expense. If I insure for my direct expense, its about $1k/yr
>> less. Whats is at risk then is my labor.
>>
>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *pilotdds
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:42 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
>>
>> what are you guys using as a hull value?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com
>> <mailto:bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>>
>> To: rv10-list <rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 4:30 pm
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
>>
>> Same experience here, I used them early on as no one wanted to insure
>> a low time pilot. I thought they were doing me a favor until I got a
>> little time and some other quotes. They were almost 35% higher than
>> my current provider. Maybe all of the ten owners ought to get
>> together with one provider to see if we can get a better rate. I am
>> with Falcon [broker] on mine and I think I am paying around $2500
>>
>> *From:*Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net <mailto:deej@deej.net>>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:49 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Aviation Humor - Garmin Style
>>
>> <mailto:deej@deej.net>>
>>
>> On 8/16/2011 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>> >
>> > After years of me replying back to Avemco's mailings
>> > that their rates are too high, and they have no clue
>> > when it comes to pricing experimental aircraft,
>>
>> They don't even know how to price certified aircraft. They quoted me
>> around $1800 to cover a 1975 Grumman AA1B for a $19,000 coverage
>> value. I bought a policy elsewhere with identical coverage for $588.
>> I took the time to write back to the Avemco agent telling him why I
>> bought the policy elsewhere (namely, price), and the response I got
>> was a weak attempt to justify the higher cost, describing quality of
>> service, etc. I explained that $1200 buys a lot of avgas which
>> translates to quality flight time...
>>
>> Does anyone actually do business with Avemco?
>>
>> -Dj
>>
>> -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV
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