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1. 04:28 PM - the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Pascal)
2. 05:10 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Dave Saylor)
3. 05:47 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:50 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Jeff Carpenter)
5. 07:21 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (John Melchert)
6. 07:52 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Pascal)
7. 08:41 PM - ADS-B (Dave Saylor)
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| Subject: | the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
have learned a lot from the attention he received.
I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
his point. It's just that--his point.
I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
ones.
I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
is headed. Abide or else.
I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
been rewarded with what he got.
Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/
>
>
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| Subject: | the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
I agree with Dave. I looked at Greg's airplane at OSH and was impressed
with the workmanship. I was a bit surprised to see that he had doubled the
fuel capacity, but I feel that 60 gallons is a pretty minimal fuel load for
such an airplane so I can understand why he chose to increase it. Is this
an unproven change? Of course it is. These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. It
is incumbent on us, the builders, to do sufficent testing (that's what the
25 or 40 hour pahse I periodi is for) to prove that our aircraft are safe.
If that means flutter testing then so be it.
I resent EAA hiring Mac MacLellan to write for Sport Aviation. I didn't
like his writing for FLYING magazine, and always felt that he only wanted to
talk to people with turbine powered aircraft. He knows absolutely nothing
about homebuilt aircraft, kitplanes or plans-built. Until he (or Rod
Hightower for that matter) has built an aircraft with his own hands, I don't
feel that he has anything useful to offer.
Jack Phillips
#40610 Wings (still)
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
have learned a lot from the attention he received.
I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
his point. It's just that--his point.
I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
ones.
I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
is headed. Abide or else.
I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
been rewarded with what he got.
Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
thumbs up Dave
do not archive
On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
> >
>
> Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
> Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
> accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
> have learned a lot from the attention he received.
>
> I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
> his point. It's just that--his point.
>
> I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
> mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
> plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
> ones.
>
> I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
> manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
> restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
> is headed. Abide or else.
>
> I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
> complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
> wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
> I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
> leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
> abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
>
> I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
> and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
> of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
> been rewarded with what he got.
>
> Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-
>> aircraft/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Add to Mac's blog on this
(http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/). I
just added my three cents. Don't know if it will have an effect, but
perhaps if everyone writes something right on his Blog post (for all to see)
he'll take note.
John Melchert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
thumbs up Dave
do not archive
On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> >
>
> Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
> Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
> accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
> have learned a lot from the attention he received.
>
> I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
> his point. It's just that--his point.
>
> I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
> mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
> plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
> ones.
>
> I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
> manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
> restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
> is headed. Abide or else.
>
> I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
> complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
> wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
> I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
> leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
> abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
>
> I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
> and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
> of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
> been rewarded with what he got.
>
> Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-
>> aircraft/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Not much more I can add to what you wrote. You pretty much nail what I
thought before I read your article. I'll add to this however. I think what
Rick and you have commented on is right on on how many of us are feeling
these days about the EAA. Great organization, but Peter Garrison should have
come over not Wallace and Mac.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Melchert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Add to Mac's blog on this
(http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/). I
just added my three cents. Don't know if it will have an effect, but
perhaps if everyone writes something right on his Blog post (for all to see)
he'll take note.
John Melchert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
thumbs up Dave
do not archive
On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> >
>
> Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
> Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
> accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
> have learned a lot from the attention he received.
>
> I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
> his point. It's just that--his point.
>
> I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
> mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
> plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
> ones.
>
> I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
> manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
> restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
> is headed. Abide or else.
>
> I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
> complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
> wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
> I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
> leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
> abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
>
> I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
> and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
> of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
> been rewarded with what he got.
>
> Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-
>> aircraft/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I had a successful test flight today using NavWorx's ADS600-B.
I'm using it with the ARINC 429 option feeding a GNS530W. The 530 is
set for Traffic Advisory mode, vs. Garmin GTX330 mode. TA uses a
somewhat simplified display with a little less information, but
according to Bill at NavWorx, it's more accurate than 330 mode, for
now.
NavWorx has been very responsive to a ton of questions from me, and
more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
(sszzzztt--don't do that).
It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away, and
then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and know
right where to look. Like magic.
Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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