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1. 01:59 AM - Re: ADS-B (Rob Kermanj)
2. 02:51 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Bill Watson)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: ADS-B (Dave Saylor)
4. 07:21 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Dave Saylor)
5. 07:44 AM - Re: ADS-B (Bob Leffler)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: ADS-B (Bob Leffler)
7. 07:58 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Chris Colohan)
8. 08:16 AM - Re: ADS-B (Dave Saylor)
9. 08:29 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Dave Saylor)
10. 08:39 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Tim Olson)
11. 08:47 AM - Re: ADS-B (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 08:54 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 08:56 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 09:00 AM - Re: ADS-B (Dj Merrill)
15. 09:12 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Tim Olson)
16. 09:19 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Phillip Perry)
17. 09:38 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Tim Olson)
18. 09:53 AM - Re: ADS-B (Bob Leffler)
19. 10:23 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Bill Watson)
20. 01:05 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Pascal)
21. 01:11 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Linn Walters)
22. 01:31 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Kelly McMullen)
23. 02:18 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Phillip Perry)
24. 03:09 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Tim Olson)
25. 03:59 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Jesse Saint)
26. 04:28 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Michael Kraus)
27. 08:03 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Rene)
28. 08:26 PM - Governor exchange? (Jim Ayers)
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Can you tell us aboutthe services you receive?
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had a successful test flight today using NavWorx's ADS600-B.
>
> I'm using it with the ARINC 429 option feeding a GNS530W. The 530 is
> set for Traffic Advisory mode, vs. Garmin GTX330 mode. TA uses a
> somewhat simplified display with a little less information, but
> according to Bill at NavWorx, it's more accurate than 330 mode, for
> now.
>
> NavWorx has been very responsive to a ton of questions from me, and
> more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
> (sszzzztt--don't do that).
>
> It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away, and
> then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and know
> right where to look. Like magic.
>
> Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
The question this raises in my mind is; what kind of liability concerns
have kit makers had to deal with? Are they being routinely sued like
aircraft manufacturers when their aircraft are in accidents? If they
are being sued, are they settling or winning? If they aren't, how are
they protecting themselves?
We're all playing in this kit plane/experimental aircraft space where as
builders, each of us has a great deal of freedom to do whatever we want
with the only real liability being the souls we have on board. I just
don't understand how that freedom plays out on the kit makers' side.
Can anyone knowledgeably comment?
Bill "thinking the door should be better designed as I consider pencil
whipping my gross to 3200lbs" Watson
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I'm getting traffic only, because seeing anything else on a Garmin
isn't possible at this time. If I installed another type of display I
think I could receive weather and other services. I know of another
installation using an AFS display that gets some weather.
In the future, I hope to be able to bluetooth the ADS-B data to an
iPad. NavWorx has a schematic for outputting to a BT device but I
haven't tried it.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can you tell us aboutthe services you receive?
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>>
>> I had a successful test flight today using NavWorx's ADS600-B.
>>
>> I'm using it with the ARINC 429 option feeding a GNS530W. The 530 is
>> set for Traffic Advisory mode, vs. Garmin GTX330 mode. TA uses a
>> somewhat simplified display with a little less information, but
>> according to Bill at NavWorx, it's more accurate than 330 mode, for
>> now.
>>
>> NavWorx has been very responsive to a ton of questions from me, and
>> more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
>> (sszzzztt--don't do that).
>>
>> It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away, and
>> then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and know
>> right where to look. Like magic.
>>
>> Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Well...I have a little experience in the liability department. A few
years ago I got a subpoena to give information to the court about a
Lancair accident. I had nothing to do with the plane, or the
customer, or anyone on board. The court needed information about how
the planes are built, so it called me. For free, but that's a
different gripe.
Lancair was being sued because someone thought they might be
responsible for "producing" a faulty kit, which then somehow led to
the accident. So, manufacturers, at least Lancair, have had some
exposure and they will try to limit their exposure by insisting that
builders not change the kit. I'm don't think that currently they can
enforce it but they'll try.
I don't know if Lancair won or lost. The CEO at the time was a lawyer
and I got an earful about his legal expenses--he didn't represent
himself--so it was surely painful even if he won.
The trend is for better and better kits. We all know how good the 10
is. It seems to me that the better some kits get, the more they pull
the market up with them. They have to get better to compete. I think
that eventually we'll see a "not-as-light sport" category that further
reduces our ability to make changes, and I think that would be fine as
long as AB remains.
I hope logic prevails and relieves the kit provider from liability
when changes are made. I don't think any builder would expect their
changes to be guaranteed by the kit producer. But I guess judges and
juries do the unexpected.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> The question this raises in my mind is; what kind of liability concerns have
> kit makers had to deal with? Are they being routinely sued like aircraft
> manufacturers when their aircraft are in accidents? If they are being sued,
> are they settling or winning? If they aren't, how are they protecting
> themselves?
>
> We're all playing in this kit plane/experimental aircraft space where as
> builders, each of us has a great deal of freedom to do whatever we want
> with the only real liability being the souls we have on board. I just don't
> understand how that freedom plays out on the kit makers' side. Can anyone
> knowledgeably comment?
>
> Bill "thinking the door should be better designed as I consider pencil
> whipping my gross to 3200lbs" Watson
>
>
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Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm getting traffic only, because seeing anything else on a Garmin
> isn't possible at this time. If I installed another type of display I
> think I could receive weather and other services. I know of another
> installation using an AFS display that gets some weather.
>
> In the future, I hope to be able to bluetooth the ADS-B data to an
> iPad. NavWorx has a schematic for outputting to a BT device but I
> haven't tried it.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can you tell us aboutthe services you receive?
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I had a successful test flight today using NavWorx's ADS600-B.
>>>
>>> I'm using it with the ARINC 429 option feeding a GNS530W. The 530 is
>>> set for Traffic Advisory mode, vs. Garmin GTX330 mode. TA uses a
>>> somewhat simplified display with a little less information, but
>>> according to Bill at NavWorx, it's more accurate than 330 mode, for
>>> now.
>>>
>>> NavWorx has been very responsive to a ton of questions from me, and
>>> more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
>>> (sszzzztt--don't do that).
>>>
>>> It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away, and
>>> then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and know
>>> right where to look. Like magic.
>>>
>>> Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
>>>
>>> Dave Saylor
>>> AirCrafters
>>> 140 Aviation Way
>>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dave,
You may want to consider wifi. While the adapter costs more, I believe current
draw is more on the iPad for Bluetooth.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm getting traffic only, because seeing anything else on a Garmin
> isn't possible at this time. If I installed another type of display I
> think I could receive weather and other services. I know of another
> installation using an AFS display that gets some weather.
>
> In the future, I hope to be able to bluetooth the ADS-B data to an
> iPad. NavWorx has a schematic for outputting to a BT device but I
> haven't tried it.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can you tell us aboutthe services you receive?
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I had a successful test flight today using NavWorx's ADS600-B.
>>>
>>> I'm using it with the ARINC 429 option feeding a GNS530W. The 530 is
>>> set for Traffic Advisory mode, vs. Garmin GTX330 mode. TA uses a
>>> somewhat simplified display with a little less information, but
>>> according to Bill at NavWorx, it's more accurate than 330 mode, for
>>> now.
>>>
>>> NavWorx has been very responsive to a ton of questions from me, and
>>> more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
>>> (sszzzztt--don't do that).
>>>
>>> It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away, and
>>> then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and know
>>> right where to look. Like magic.
>>>
>>> Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
>>>
>>> Dave Saylor
>>> AirCrafters
>>> 140 Aviation Way
>>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
As an engineer, I have to be pedantic. So I apologise if my response is
overly-pedantic...
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
>
> I agree with Dave. I looked at Greg's airplane at OSH and was impressed
> with the workmanship. I was a bit surprised to see that he had doubled the
> fuel capacity, but I feel that 60 gallons is a pretty minimal fuel load for
> such an airplane so I can understand why he chose to increase it. Is this
> an unproven change? Of course it is. These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. It
> is incumbent on us, the builders, to do sufficent testing (that's what the
> 25 or 40 hour pahse I periodi is for) to prove that our aircraft are safe.
> If that means flutter testing then so be it.
>
Testing does not prove a design is safe. It simply proves, that at the test
points tested, under limited repetitions, the design did not fail. It adds
some confidence that a design was correctly manufactured, and also that the
original design calculations were correct.
Before testing can do any of this, you need a proper design. This may
include structural analysis, computer simulation, failure testing, etc. For
an unmodified kit, you are trusting that Van's has done this for you. If
you modify the kit, it is up to the builder to decide how much additional
design work is required. For simple, non-safety-critical things you can
eyeball it. For significant changes, you would probably be better off
redoing the analysis and simulation work, as it may help catch corner cases
which testing is likely to miss (or save you from a catastrophic test
failure).
When I read Van's article, I simply read it as: "hey, if you modify our
design this much you need to redo some of the design work to be safe.
Please either do the design work, or don't modify this much!"
Testing is rarely a good substitute for design.
Chris
(FWIW, I think the EAA has come down _way_ too hard on Greg. But the
resulting discussion this has spawned has been very interesting, and
educational for me.)
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Wifi would be better. Any iPad interfaces will be down the road a bit.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> You may want to consider wifi. While the adapter costs more, I believe current
draw is more on the iPad for Bluetooth.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm getting traffic only, because seeing anything else on a Garmin
>> isn't possible at this time. If I installed another type of display I
>> think I could receive weather and other services. I know of another
>> installation using an AFS display that gets some weather.
>>
>> In the future, I hope to be able to bluetooth the ADS-B data to an
>> iPad. NavWorx has a schematic for outputting to a BT device but I
>> haven't tried it.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you tell us aboutthe services you receive?
>>>
>>> Rob Kermanj
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a successful test flight today using NavWorx's ADS600-B.
>>>>
>>>> I'm using it with the ARINC 429 option feeding a GNS530W. The 530 is
>>>> set for Traffic Advisory mode, vs. Garmin GTX330 mode. TA uses a
>>>> somewhat simplified display with a little less information, but
>>>> according to Bill at NavWorx, it's more accurate than 330 mode, for
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>> NavWorx has been very responsive to a ton of questions from me, and
>>>> more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
>>>> (sszzzztt--don't do that).
>>>>
>>>> It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away, and
>>>> then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and know
>>>> right where to look. Like magic.
>>>>
>>>> Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Saylor
>>>> AirCrafters
>>>> 140 Aviation Way
>>>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>>>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>>>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
What Chris wrote is exactly right. I think the biggest issue is how
EAA, or SportAviation, seemed to throw Greg under the bus after
featuring him so prominently. Publishing Van's article kind of said
"What were you thinking?", without letting Greg respond. McClellan's
article kind of did the same thing, calling Van's response "one of the
most important commentaries on amateur-built and kit aircraft in many
years". Really? Like I said before, my respect for Van is enormous
and clearly he's protecting his product, and pointing out some gotchas
for future builders, but "one of the most important commentaries"? I
don't think so.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Chris Colohan <rv10@colohan.com> wrote:
> As an engineer, I have to be pedantic. So I apologise if my response is
> overly-pedantic...
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I agree with Dave. I looked at Greg's airplane at OSH and was impressed
>> with the workmanship. I was a bit surprised to see that he had doubled
>> the
>> fuel capacity, but I feel that 60 gallons is a pretty minimal fuel load
>> for
>> such an airplane so I can understand why he chose to increase it. Is this
>> an unproven change? Of course it is. These are EXPERIMENTAL aircraft.
>> It
>> is incumbent on us, the builders, to do sufficent testing (that's what the
>> 25 or 40 hour pahse I periodi is for) to prove that our aircraft are safe.
>> If that means flutter testing then so be it.
>
> Testing does not prove a design is safe. It simply proves, that at the test
> points tested, under limited repetitions, the design did not fail. It adds
> some confidence that a design was correctly manufactured, and also that the
> original design calculations were correct.
> Before testing can do any of this, you need a proper design. This may
> include structural analysis, computer simulation, failure testing, etc. For
> an unmodified kit, you are trusting that Van's has done this for you. If
> you modify the kit, it is up to the builder to decide how much additional
> design work is required. For simple, non-safety-critical things you can
> eyeball it. For significant changes, you would probably be better off
> redoing the analysis and simulation work, as it may help catch corner cases
> which testing is likely to miss (or save you from acatastrophictest
> failure).
> When I read Van's article, I simply read it as: "hey, if you modify our
> design this much you need to redo some of the design work to be safe.
> Please either do the design work, or don't modify this much!"
> Testing is rarely a good substitute for design.
>
> Chris
> (FWIW, I think the EAA has come down _way_ too hard on Greg. But the
> resulting discussion this has spawned has been very interesting, and
> educational for me.)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Chris, I was going to respond basically with the same idea, but
you said it far better than I could. I don't think there is
a right side or a wrong side in this debate, but that both
viewpoints have validity. But as you noted, just because
you fly 25 or 40 hours with something it isn't something I'd
consider as a valid test for any airframe change. Even with
good avionics, I felt that 100 hours was about right before
I'd trust the avionics and software....but truthfully, without
a real engineering analysis, a person hasn't even begun to
do the proper homework for a major change. And, if they want
to go by hours of flight as a data point for success of a
change, you really need thousands and thousands of hours
by a bunch of airframes before you can draw a conclusion.
What is structurally OK after 20 hours may not be after 200
or 2000, and without proper engineering analysis, I don't
think you can just call it good or successful without
thousands of airframe hours.
In fact, right now, with 300+ RV-10's flying, we STILL don't
have enough data to really prove without a doubt that the
airframe has had it's weak areas weeded out. There may
be some stress point that proves a problem but we don't
find out until we get some RV-10's with 5,000 hours on
the airframe. I'm not saying that what Greg did isn't
ok for him....it's just not something that Van's can ever
realistically be OK with. The good side is that Greg has
the choice, at least in today's environment.
I do agree with those who think that the EAA and Sport
Aviation went to far, and especially that dope Mac who's
now writing for them. I loved Flying magazine and he fit
in well there....but I just don't think he fits his role
at the EAA. They do us all a disservice by putting him
in that spot. If I were the EAA, I'd tell him to pick up
a rivet gun and build an RV wing, and then get out there
and fly 100 hours in a variety of homebuilts before you
come write for us. He simply doesn't have the perspective
needed for that job. It's apparent when you read that
ridiculous rehash of Greg's plane that is all just
written regurgitation, and see how he says that OTHER
pilots he knows say RV's fly nice. Get off your butt and
fly in some of them Mac...
So I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either side, just
pointing out again that really, both have realistic
viewpoints for the most part...but that said, you can't
say that the changes were "engineered" properly or that
the have had the requisite amount of testing needed to
really prove that without a doubt they aren't additional
failure points. People take "testing" too lightly
I think sometimes. I laugh my butt off when I see someone
post that "I've flown with this now for 25 hours and
it appears that the software issue is fixed and it's now
rock solid". "Rock Solid" is something that is unlikely
anyway...but 25 hours doesn't make anything rock solid.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 8/19/2011 9:55 AM, Chris Colohan wrote:
> As an engineer, I have to be pedantic. So I apologise if my response is
> overly-pedantic...
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net
> <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>>
>
> I agree with Dave. I looked at Greg's airplane at OSH and was impressed
> with the workmanship. I was a bit surprised to see that he had
> doubled the
> fuel capacity, but I feel that 60 gallons is a pretty minimal fuel
> load for
> such an airplane so I can understand why he chose to increase it.
> Is this
> an unproven change? Of course it is. These are EXPERIMENTAL
> aircraft. It
> is incumbent on us, the builders, to do sufficent testing (that's
> what the
> 25 or 40 hour pahse I periodi is for) to prove that our aircraft are
> safe.
> If that means flutter testing then so be it.
>
>
> Testing does not prove a design is safe. It simply proves, that at the
> test points tested, under limited repetitions, the design did not fail.
> It adds some confidence that a design was correctly manufactured, and
> also that the original design calculations were correct.
>
> Before testing can do any of this, you need a proper design. This may
> include structural analysis, computer simulation, failure testing, etc.
> For an unmodified kit, you are trusting that Van's has done this for
> you. If you modify the kit, it is up to the builder to decide how much
> additional design work is required. For simple, non-safety-critical
> things you can eyeball it. For significant changes, you would probably
> be better off redoing the analysis and simulation work, as it may help
> catch corner cases which testing is likely to miss (or save you from
> a catastrophic test failure).
>
> When I read Van's article, I simply read it as: "hey, if you modify our
> design this much you need to redo some of the design work to be safe.
> Please either do the design work, or don't modify this much!"
>
> Testing is rarely a good substitute for design.
> Chris
>
> (FWIW, I think the EAA has come down _way_ too hard on Greg. But the
> resulting discussion this has spawned has been very interesting, and
> educational for me.)
>
> *
>
>
> *
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I was looking at that Wi-Fi module they have. Anyone have any details on how they
have it interface with the box?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B
Dave,
You may want to consider wifi. While the adapter costs more, I believe current
draw is more on the iPad for Bluetooth.
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
>
> I'm getting traffic only, because seeing anything else on a Garmin
> isn't possible at this time. If I installed another type of display I
> think I could receive weather and other services. I know of another
> installation using an AFS display that gets some weather.
>
> In the future, I hope to be able to bluetooth the ADS-B data to an
> iPad. NavWorx has a schematic for outputting to a BT device but I
> haven't tried it.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:58 AM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can you tell us aboutthe services you receive?
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> --> <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I had a successful test flight today using NavWorx's ADS600-B.
>>>
>>> I'm using it with the ARINC 429 option feeding a GNS530W. The 530
>>> is set for Traffic Advisory mode, vs. Garmin GTX330 mode. TA uses a
>>> somewhat simplified display with a little less information, but
>>> according to Bill at NavWorx, it's more accurate than 330 mode, for
>>> now.
>>>
>>> NavWorx has been very responsive to a ton of questions from me, and
>>> more than fair when I transposed the antenna connectors
>>> (sszzzztt--don't do that).
>>>
>>> It's pretty cool to see traffic on the screen, several miles away,
>>> and then maneuver around to get close enough to get a visual, and
>>> know right where to look. Like magic.
>>>
>>> Any questions, feel free to call or email, on or off list.
>>>
>>> Dave Saylor
>>> AirCrafters
>>> 140 Aviation Way
>>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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In addition to the public flogging, I am very disappointed that you now have
to have a Facebook account to leave comments. And yes, there are still people
holding out from Facebook. :-D
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Melchert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Add to Mac's blog on this
(http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/). I just added my three cents. Don't know if it will have an effect, but perhaps if everyone writes something right on his Blog post (for all to see) he'll take note.
John Melchert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
thumbs up Dave
do not archive
On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> >
>
> Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
> Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
> accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
> have learned a lot from the attention he received.
>
> I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
> his point. It's just that--his point.
>
> I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
> mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
> plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
> ones.
>
> I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
> manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
> restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
> is headed. Abide or else.
>
> I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
> complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
> wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
> I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
> leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
> abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
>
> I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
> and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
> of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
> been rewarded with what he got.
>
> Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-
>> aircraft/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Doh! Never mind.
-----Original Message-----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
In addition to the public flogging, I am very disappointed that you now have
to have a Facebook account to leave comments. And yes, there are still people
holding out from Facebook. :-D
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Melchert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Add to Mac's blog on this
(http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/). I just added my three cents. Don't know if it will have an effect, but perhaps if everyone writes something right on his Blog post (for all to see) he'll take note.
John Melchert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
thumbs up Dave
do not archive
On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> >
>
> Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
> Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
> accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
> have learned a lot from the attention he received.
>
> I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
> his point. It's just that--his point.
>
> I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
> mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
> plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
> ones.
>
> I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
> manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
> restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
> is headed. Abide or else.
>
> I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
> complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
> wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
> I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
> leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
> abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
>
> I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
> and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
> of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
> been rewarded with what he got.
>
> Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-
>> aircraft/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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On 08/19/2011 11:44 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> I was looking at that Wi-Fi module they have. Anyone have any details on how
they have it interface with the box?
This is the unit they are using:
http://www.rovingnetworks.com/WiFi-Serial.php
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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:) I'm one too Michael...we're maybe some of the last
ones left.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/19/2011 10:51 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael
> Sausen)"<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
And yes, there are still people holding out from Facebook. :-D
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Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
pony express!
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> :) I'm one too Michael...we're maybe some of the last
> ones left.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 8/19/2011 10:51 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael
>> Sausen)"<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
> And yes, there are still people holding out from Facebook. :-D
>
>
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True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
social media sites.
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-google/
The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
clip:
"Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance
price quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the
advertisers site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No,
that isnt a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans,
get a click, and itll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59.
Cord blood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick
overview of the way Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top
phrases."
I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
I personally believe that while these social media sites are
great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
your habits, and your data are things that other people
are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
as little as I can to those companies databases.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
> pony express!
>
> Phil
>
>
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It just connects to the ads600b via rs232
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Dj Merrill <deej@deej.net> wrote:
>
> On 08/19/2011 11:44 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>> I was looking at that Wi-Fi module they have. Anyone have any details on how
they have it interface with the box?
>
> This is the unit they are using:
>
> http://www.rovingnetworks.com/WiFi-Serial.php
>
> -Dj
>
>
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
>
>
>
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To Mac's credit, he didn't pretend to know more than he did - he just
regurgitated what he had heard and reasoned based on some trusted
sources. Given the state of public discourse, that's not bad.
I was checking closely because I too liked Mac over at Flying and agree
that the EAA seems like a misfit. Corporate shakeups too often badly
shuffle the talent.
Bill
On 8/19/2011 11:37 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Aviation went to far, and especially that dope Mac who's
> now writing for them. I loved Flying magazine and he fit
> in well there....but I just don't think he fits his role
> at the EAA. They do us all a disservice by putting him
> in that spot. If I were the EAA, I'd tell him to pick up
> a rivet gun and build an RV wing, and then get out there
> and fly 100 hours in a variety of homebuilts before you
> come write for us. He simply doesn't have the perspective
> needed for that job. It's apparent when you read that
> ridiculous rehash of Greg's plane that is all just
> written regurgitation, and see how he says that OTHER
> pilots he knows say RV's fly nice. Get off your butt and
> fly in some of them Mac...
>
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I have a daughter and the media has done a great job putting fear about
pedophiles finding young lads on Facebook.
Needless to say no Facebook, twitter or other.
If I need an account to give my feedback than I question if they really
care.
I'm with you Michael!
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
In addition to the public flogging, I am very disappointed that you now
have to have a Facebook account to leave comments. And yes, there are still
people holding out from Facebook. :-D
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Melchert
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
Add to Mac's blog on this
(http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/). I
just added my three cents. Don't know if it will have an effect, but
perhaps if everyone writes something right on his Blog post (for all to see)
he'll take note.
John Melchert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
thumbs up Dave
do not archive
On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
<dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
> >
>
> Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
> Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
> accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
> have learned a lot from the attention he received.
>
> I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
> his point. It's just that--his point.
>
> I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
> mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
> plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
> ones.
>
> I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
> manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
> restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
> is headed. Abide or else.
>
> I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
> complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
> wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
> I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
> leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
> abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
>
> I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
> and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
> of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
> been rewarded with what he got.
>
> Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
>
> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-
>> aircraft/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I left a comment without logging on to Facebook. All the way at the
bottom of the comments is an entry form.
Linn
On 8/19/2011 4:01 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> I have a daughter and the media has done a great job putting fear
> about pedophiles finding young lads on Facebook.
> Needless to say no Facebook, twitter or other.
> If I need an account to give my feedback than I question if they
> really care.
> I'm with you Michael!
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 8:51 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
>
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> In addition to the public flogging, I am very disappointed that you
> now have to have a Facebook account to leave comments. And yes, there
> are still people holding out from Facebook. :-D
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Melchert
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:18 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
>
>
> Add to Mac's blog on this
> (http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/).
> I just added my three cents. Don't know if it will have an effect,
> but perhaps if everyone writes something right on his Blog post (for
> all to see) he'll take note.
>
> John Melchert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Carpenter
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:48 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
>
>
> thumbs up Dave
>
> do not archive
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dave Saylor wrote:
>
> <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
>> >
>>
>> Greg doesn't deserve this. Changes, yes, but I've seen alot worse.
>> Greg's changes are well considered, and he seems to understand and
>> accept the compromises he made. From Greg's earlier posts he seems to
>> have learned a lot from the attention he received.
>>
>> I have a huge respect for Van. He's one of my heros and I understand
>> his point. It's just that--his point.
>>
>> I've flown heavy RVs and modified RVs. Lighter is better. Sometimes
>> mods don't work out. I don't think I'd hesitate to fly in Greg's
>> plane, in the manner he intends to use it. It's not one of the bad
>> ones.
>>
>> I don't think any of us want to be bound by rules put forth by the
>> manufacturer of the kit, unless we get something for it--fewer
>> restrictions, or some other guarantee, but that seems to be where this
>> is headed. Abide or else.
>>
>> I think EAA has done Greg a disservice by honoring him with a
>> complimentary write-up and yanking the rug out from under him. I
>> wouldn't want that attention. I think EAA owes him an apology, and
>> I'm going to tell them so. Rod Hightower needs to show some
>> leadership and explain how it is that EAA could change course so
>> abruptly in regards to the treatment Greg has received.
>>
>> I hope Greg sees this as an opportunity for others to learn something
>> and can somehow see a positive side. His last post here seemed kind
>> of regretful, and that's too bad. His craftsmanship should never have
>> been rewarded with what he got.
>>
>> Hang in there, Greg. Enjoy your plane.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 95076
>> 831-722-9141 Shop
>> 831-750-0284 Cell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-
>>> aircraft/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Me too....refuse to let Van's or anyone else tell me that I have to
communicate via Macebook, Twooter, or Linkdpin. They may think their
information is better, but IMHO the RVator was a better communications
medium.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> :) I'm one too Michael...we're maybe some of the last
> ones left.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 8/19/2011 10:51 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael
>> Sausen)"<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
> And yes, there are still people holding out from Facebook. :-D
>
>
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I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I
also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We ca
n
hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit
cards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with
an ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in
those areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point you
have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you
aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along
by the currents of the world.
So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
It's just the world we live in today.....
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
> But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
> risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
> social media sites.
>
> http://windowssecrets.com/top-**story/privacy-smackdown-**
> facebook-versus-google/<http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smack
down-facebook-versus-google/>
>
> The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
> clip:
>
> "Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance pri
ce
> quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser=92
s
> site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn=92t a
typo.
> Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a click, and it
=92ll
> cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord blood bank goes for
> $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the way Google AdWo
rds
> works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
>
> I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/**industries/retail/2011-07-27-**
> new-technolgies-for-marketing-**to-kids_n.htm<http://www.usatoday.com/mon
ey/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
>
>
> I personally believe that while these social media sites are
> great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
> really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
> to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
> that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
> these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
> your habits, and your data are things that other people
> are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
> as little as I can to those companies databases.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>
>> Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
>> pony express!
>>
>> Phil
>>
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I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing business,
Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing business...other than ad
vertising. So while holding back from credit cards and such can make your l
ife hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt me in the least...and it's l
ike I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down that route. It IS the wor
ld which many live in today, but for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likel
y won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy world of real people, real frien
ds, real activities rather than armchair activities and basically trying to l
ive my life as unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today
should be our slave, and not vice versa.
Tim
On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I a
lso have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
>
> The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We c
an hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit c
ards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with an
ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in th
ose areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
>
> I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point you
have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you a
ren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along b
y the currents of the world.
>
> So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
>
> It's just the world we live in today.....
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
> But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
> risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
> social media sites.
>
> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-goog
le/
>
> The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
> clip:
>
> "Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance pric
e quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser
=99s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn
=99t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a cli
ck, and it=99ll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord bl
ood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the w
ay Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
>
> I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies
-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
>
> I personally believe that while these social media sites are
> great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
> really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
> to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
> that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
> these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
> your habits, and your data are things that other people
> are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
> as little as I can to those companies databases.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
> Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
> pony express!
>
> Phil
>
>
>
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I agree completely.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
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Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing busines
s, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing business...other than a
dvertising. So while holding back from credit cards and such can make your l
ife hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt me in the least...and it's l
ike I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down that route. It IS the wor
ld which many live in today, but for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likel
y won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy world of real people, real frien
ds, real activities rather than armchair activities and basically trying to l
ive my life as unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today
should be our slave, and not vice versa.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I
also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
>>
>> The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We c
an hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit c
ards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with an
ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in th
ose areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
>>
>> I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point yo
u have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you
aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along
by the currents of the world.
>>
>> So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
>>
>> It's just the world we live in today.....
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>> True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
>> But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
>> risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
>> social media sites.
>>
>> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-goo
gle/
>>
>> The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
>> clip:
>>
>> "Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance pri
ce quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser
=99s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn
=99t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a c
lick, and it=99ll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord b
lood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the
way Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
>>
>> I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgie
s-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
>>
>> I personally believe that while these social media sites are
>> great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
>> really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
>> to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
>> that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
>> these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
>> your habits, and your data are things that other people
>> are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
>> as little as I can to those companies databases.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>> Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
>> pony express!
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
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So you can join Facebook, or not. It is your personal preference. Social m
edia is becoming the future of communication.
For me it allowed me to reconnect to friends from grade school, high school,
and college. Friends I thought I'd never see or hear from again. Friends t
hat I lost contact with with little chance of ever finding. And I have beco
me better friends with acquaintances that I never realized how much in commo
n we had.... And with my plane, I've actually flown and spent time with man
y of them.
It isn't about giving out personal information, attracting pedophiles, or su
pporting marketing. I don't use Facebook on the desktop so I can't say, but
there are no ads on Facebook for the iPhone. And the only people I allow a
ccess to any of my info are people I know. You don't need to put anything o
ut there other than a name.
Now, let's get back to airplane talk.... I'm going to go fly my RV-10 in a f
ew minutes. I live at 26W in SE Michigan and also heading to the fly in at K
TEW tomorrow morning. Look me up if you are in the area.
I'm also getting will my interior from Abby at Flightline interiors on Monda
y!
Have a safe, weekend with many flight hours!!
-Mike Kraus
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing busines
s, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing business...other than a
dvertising. So while holding back from credit cards and such can make your l
ife hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt me in the least...and it's l
ike I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down that route. It IS the wor
ld which many live in today, but for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likel
y won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy world of real people, real frien
ds, real activities rather than armchair activities and basically trying to l
ive my life as unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today
should be our slave, and not vice versa.
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I
also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
>>
>> The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We c
an hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use debit c
ards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact with an
ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground in th
ose areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.
>>
>> I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point yo
u have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, you
aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled along
by the currents of the world.
>>
>> So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
>>
>> It's just the world we live in today.....
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>> True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
>> But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
>> risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
>> social media sites.
>>
>> http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-goo
gle/
>>
>> The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
>> clip:
>>
>> "Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance pri
ce quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser
=99s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn
=99t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a c
lick, and it=99ll cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord b
lood bank goes for $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the
way Google AdWords works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
>>
>> I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgie
s-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
>>
>> I personally believe that while these social media sites are
>> great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
>> really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
>> to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
>> that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
>> these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
>> your habits, and your data are things that other people
>> are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
>> as little as I can to those companies databases.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>> Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
>> pony express!
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Oh, come on Tim.everyone already knows everything about
you.and if not, I am sure they could find it on the web if they
wanted to. J
To quote Armageddon. =9CEmbrace the horror=9D
On the serious sideI was very resistant myself but
when a young friend died suddenly, (while I was in So Cal in my RV-10),
Facebook was chosen communication method (by the family not
me)so I fired up my account. Since then I have been
able to connect with a lot of old friendsit has been worthwhile
for me.
Rene'
801-721-6080
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues
I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing
business, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing
business...other than advertising. So while holding back from credit
cards and such can make your life hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't
hurt me in the least...and it's like I'm voting with my dollars by NOT
going down that route. It IS the world which many live in today, but
for myself and my kids, it isn't, and likely won't be. I'd rather live
in a less busy world of real people, real friends, real activities
rather than armchair activities and basically trying to live my life as
unaffected by these things as I can. The technology of today should be
our slave, and not vice versa.
Tim
On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But
I also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.
The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We
can hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use
debit cards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to
interact with an ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and
stood our ground in those areas, but the world we live in pulled us
along.
I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point
you have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you
are, you aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be
pulled along by the currents of the world.
So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.
It's just the world we live in today.....
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
social media sites.
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-goo
gle/
The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
clip:
"Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance
price quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the
advertiser=99s site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one
click. No, that isn=99t a typo. Bid on the phrase consolidate
graduate student loans, get a click, and it=99ll cost $44.28.
Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord blood bank goes for $27.80.
WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the way Google AdWords
works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgie
s-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
I personally believe that while these social media sites are
great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
your habits, and your data are things that other people
are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
as little as I can to those companies databases.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
pony express!
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Hi All,
Want To Trade - New MT Propeller P-860-5 (Wide deck IO-540 engine) governor
for new MT Propeller P-860-3 (Narrow deck IO-540 engine) governor.
I received a call today from Rod Smith, a Bearhawk builder.
Rod has a narrow deck IO-540 engine for his Bearhawk and a new MT Propeller
P-860-5 governor for a wide deck IO-540 engine.
RV-10 builders usually have a Wide deck IO-540 engine and Van sells them th
e P-860-3 governor for a Narrow deck engine.
Rod would like to trade his new P-860-5 governor for a new P-860-3 governor
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Please contact Rod Smith directly at (970) 201-3173.
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