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1. 11:16 AM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Phillip Perry)
2. 01:46 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Kelly McMullen)
3. 07:11 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Bill Watson)
4. 07:48 PM - Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues (Sean Stephens)
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more
on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if
you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage
social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming.
I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call
centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak
english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier.
Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the
manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor
everything in the house.
All of this stuff can be done today. My car reports its health to BMW. My
house has the ability to turn lights on and off remotely, etc. But social
media is the web that pulls it all together. Big businesses are spending
serious cash on making social media the front door of their business. You
can hold out as long as you want, but you're going to be forced down the
path because that's how business works. The social enterprise is the next
ATM.
Salesforce.com was just recognized as the worlds most innovative company by
fortune. I toured their site a few weeks ago and was blown away at their
vision. If you have some time to waste, click through some of their videos
.
http://www.salesforce.com/video/events.jsp
And for Robin....
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1650597149
Knock yourself out! I've got my home address, cell phone, place of
employment, wife's name, and kids name in there. Plus a bunch of other
things... :)
To be honest, I wish social media never would have been invented. (Right
along with reality TV.) But it here and it's transforming the world we liv
e
and it's not going to go away. Learning how to live with it is a better
choice than avoiding it. Now I know what the real threats are (and are not
- most of what you hear isn't real), what my kids are really challenged by,
and what I have to do keep the down the straight and narrow. If I can hel
p
them learn to separate real life from social media, then I don't have to
worry about them learning those lessons on their own.
Phil
Phil
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Rene <rene@felker.com> wrote:
> Oh, come on Tim=85.everyone already knows everything about you=85.and if
not,
> I am sure they could find it on the web if they wanted to. J****
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> To quote Armageddon=85. =93Embrace the horror=94****
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> On the serious side=85=85I was very resistant myself but when a young fri
end
> died suddenly, (while I was in So Cal in my RV-10), Facebook was chosen
> communication method (by the family not me)=85=85so I fired up my account
.
> Since then I have been able to connect with a lot of old friends=85it has
been
> worthwhile for me.****
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> Rene'****
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> 801-721-6080****
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Olson
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 4:07 PM
>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues****
>
> ** **
>
> I'd agree but while credit/debit cards are normal methods of doing
> business, Facebook and others aren't really methods of doing
> business...other than advertising. So while holding back from credit car
ds
> and such can make your life hard,holding back from Facebook hasn't hurt m
e
> in the least...and it's like I'm voting with my dollars by NOT going down
> that route. It IS the world which many live in today, but for myself an
d
> my kids, it isn't, and likely won't be. I'd rather live in a less busy
> world of real people, real friends, real activities rather than armchair
> activities and basically trying to live my life as unaffected by these
> things as I can. The technology of today should be our slave, and not vi
ce
> versa.****
>
> Tim****
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> On Aug 19, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:*
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> I can appreciate and tend to agree with nearly 100% the reasoning. But I
> also have a dose of the real-world syrum to inject into the mix.****
>
> ****
>
> The world is going to go on and there is nothing we can do about it. We
> can hold off as long as we want. That's like saying you refuse to use de
bit
> cards, or make purchases online, or do online banking, or to interact wit
h
> an ATM machine. At one point we all were skeptical and stood our ground
in
> those areas, but the world we live in pulled us along.****
>
> ****
>
> I refused to use Facebook, Twitter, or MySpace too. But at some point yo
u
> have to come to the realization that no matter how determined you are, yo
u
> aren't going to change the world and you're simply going to be pulled alo
ng
> by the currents of the world.****
>
> ****
>
> So you might as well learn to swim now. It's comnig.****
>
> ****
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> It's just the world we live in today.....****
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> ****
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> Phil****
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> ****
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> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:****
>
>
> True, it's text messages for all the quick stuff.
> But, I'm not interested in the privacy/identity theft and many other
> risks that are coming from some of the vulnerabilities of these
> social media sites.
>
> http://windowssecrets.com/top-
> story/privacy-smackdown-facebook-versus-google/
>
> The above is worth reading, but here's an interesting
> clip:
>
> "Right now, if an advertiser bids on the AdWord phrase auto insurance pri
ce
> quotes and someone clicks on a Google-generated link to the advertiser=92
s
> site, the advertiser pays U.S. $54.91. For one click. No, that isn=92t a
typo.
> Bid on the phrase consolidate graduate student loans, get a click, and it
=92ll
> cost $44.28. Alcohol rehab center runs $33.59. Cord blood bank goes for
> $27.80. WordStream has an excellent quick overview of the way Google AdWo
rds
> works, listing the going rate for top phrases."
>
> I'm not interested in being heavily marketed to, either:
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/
> industries/retail/2011-07-27-new-technolgies-for-marketing-to-kids_n.htm
>
> I personally believe that while these social media sites are
> great for some of the interpersonal connecting, if people
> really knew what's being shared by them and what's happening
> to their data, they would choose to pay DOLLARS for a site
> that does NOT do this stuff. Make no mistake...the reason
> these sites are cheap or free is because you, your identity,
> your habits, and your data are things that other people
> are willing to PAY for...and I'd like to contribute
> as little as I can to those companies databases.****
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
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> ****
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> On 8/19/2011 11:17 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:****
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> Don't tell me you guys still rely on e-mail? That's gone the way of the
> pony express!
>
> Phil
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what will
prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with Spacebook. Most
builders want to talk to a live body, even if they have to pay for the phone
call.
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>wrote:
> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>
> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been focused more
> on the business enablement side. You would absolutely $#!* your pants if
> you knew how much money Fortune 500 companies are spending to leverage
> social media as a way of conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming.
> I'd love to revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>
> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about replacing call
> centers so you don't have to communicate with someone who can't speak
> english. The cost is less to the business and the clients are much happier.
> Vehicles that you drive reporting their health/location to you and also the
> manufacturer who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
> forward the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor
> everything in the house.
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least
useful channel of support has been Vans.
I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's for
no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life enriching
experience of re-connecting with people from college and other places.
People I would never have seen again. If life and work have conspired
to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the glue to put some
of it back together.
The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and so
many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists. FB is
just a generic form of these specialized social networking sites. And
when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many specialized networks
within it.
Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and generally
better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and adapting to
GPS VNAV.
Bill
On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
> customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what
> will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with
> Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they
> have to pay for the phone call.
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com
> <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>
> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been
> focused more on the business enablement side. You would
> absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500
> companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of
> conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to
> revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>
> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about
> replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with
> someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business
> and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive
> reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer
> who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately forward
> the data to the service center. Home centers that monitor
> everything in the house.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: the story of Gary's RV-10 continues |
... "The only thing possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans."
Ya, I'd love to hear all the comments from Van regarding us, errr... I
mean youz guyz... cutting sub panel ribs to fit multiple EFIS screens in
our VFR-only aircraft. :)
-Sean #40303 Trying to build and get my IFR rating at the same time.
On 8/21/11 9:07 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Funny, I prefer this list to the Vans support staff. The only thing
> possibly lacking here is active participation by Vans.
>
> I'd suggest that the best support tool for building the RV10 is this
> list... and other builders sites, and my tech counseler. The least
> useful channel of support has been Vans.
>
> I too dislike the ubiquity and dominance of Facebook, but know it's
> for no particular reason. Like so many others, I've had the life
> enriching experience of re-connecting with people from college and
> other places. People I would never have seen again. If life and work
> have conspired to move you away from friends and family, FB can be the
> glue to put some of it back together.
>
> The best support for my phone, some tools, my PCs, their software and
> so many other things are independent Web forums, boards, and lists.
> FB is just a generic form of these specialized social networking
> sites. And when you lift up the corners of FB, you find many
> specialized networks within it.
>
> Yeah, as I get older, I'm getting tired of adapting to new and
> generally better technology. Next step - chucking RF glidescope and
> adapting to GPS VNAV.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 8/21/2011 4:43 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>> They can throw all the money they want at those platforms. If we the
>> customers insist on communicating by phone and email, that is what
>> will prevail. I doubt Van's will save much on support costs with
>> Spacebook. Most builders want to talk to a live body, even if they
>> have to pay for the phone call.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com
>> <mailto:philperry9@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately everyone is going to be forced into it like it or not.
>>
>> I've been in the IT industry for 18 years now and 16 has been
>> focused more on the business enablement side. You would
>> absolutely $#!* your pants if you knew how much money Fortune 500
>> companies are spending to leverage social media as a way of
>> conducting business. Like it or not, Its coming. I'd love to
>> revisit the topic in another 5-8 years and see where we stand.
>>
>> I'm not talking about targeted marketing. I'm talking about
>> replacing call centers so you don't have to communicate with
>> someone who can't speak english. The cost is less to the business
>> and the clients are much happier. Vehicles that you drive
>> reporting their health/location to you and also the manufacturer
>> who can do preventive analysis on your car and immediately
>> forward the data to the service center. Home centers that
>> monitor everything in the house.
>>
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