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1. 07:25 AM - Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... (kevino)
2. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... (Bob Leffler)
3. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... (Tim Olson)
4. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... (Bob Leffler)
5. 09:11 AM - Oxygen systems (Bill Judge)
6. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... (Tim Olson)
7. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... (Matt Dralle)
8. 10:19 AM - Re: Oxygen systems (Robin Marks)
9. 10:42 AM - Re: Oxygen systems (Linn Walters)
10. 11:49 AM - Re: Oxygen systems (Lenny Iszak)
11. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen systems (Sean Stephens)
12. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen systems (Bob Leffler)
13. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen systems (Tim Olson)
14. 04:21 PM - Re: Oxygen systems (rv10flyer)
15. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen systems (Sean Stephens)
16. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen systems (Seano)
17. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen systems (Sean Stephens)
18. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen systems (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500. Matt any surprises
on your install? Question has come up on the my transponder sending a target
to the navworx. I have an older KT76 analog transponder. Is there going to
be an issue with having a target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have a
call into Bill Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350544#350544
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
I suspect that may be an issue. Everyone I know that has an ADS600-B also has
a Garmin transponder, which can suppress yourself via a dedicated serial connection.
Without this circuit, I suspect you'll always have a ghost target chasing
you.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:22 AM, "kevino" <kevino@worldwarehouse.com> wrote:
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> Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500. Matt any surprises
on your install? Question has come up on the my transponder sending a target
to the navworx. I have an older KT76 analog transponder. Is there going
to be an issue with having a target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have
a call into Bill Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350544#350544
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
There's a config option to get rid of ghosts and no show targets
that are in your position within x distance. It probably won't
be an issue for you. I don't think there is any supression
via the serial connection...it's based on the ICAO code
I believe. But that's all mode-s related. The ghost
containment is a separate thing.
This is just an example, not actual config values, but here
is an example for you. I'm sure that by tweaking this
a little, Bill can help you get rid of the issue if you have it.
Ghost Containment Altitude feet: 1000
Ghost Containment Distance nautical miles: 1.00
Ghost Containment Track Degrees: 60
Ghost Containment Ground Speed knots: 30
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/25/2011 10:08 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler<rv@thelefflers.com>
>
> I suspect that may be an issue. Everyone I know that has an
> ADS600-B also has a Garmin transponder, which can suppress yourself
> via a dedicated serial connection. Without this circuit, I suspect
> you'll always have a ghost target chasing you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:22 AM, "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by:
>> "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>
>> Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500.
>> Matt any surprises on your install? Question has come up on the my
>> transponder sending a target to the navworx. I have an older KT76
>> analog transponder. Is there going to be an issue with having a
>> target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have a call into Bill
>> Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350544#350544
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
Pin 33 on the ads600-b connects to a serial port on a 330/327. For garmin transponders,
this will eliminate yourself as a ghost.
Vic discovered this undocumented feature working with Bill.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> There's a config option to get rid of ghosts and no show targets
> that are in your position within x distance. It probably won't
> be an issue for you. I don't think there is any supression
> via the serial connection...it's based on the ICAO code
> I believe. But that's all mode-s related. The ghost
> containment is a separate thing.
>
> This is just an example, not actual config values, but here
> is an example for you. I'm sure that by tweaking this
> a little, Bill can help you get rid of the issue if you have it.
>
> Ghost Containment Altitude feet: 1000
> Ghost Containment Distance nautical miles: 1.00
> Ghost Containment Track Degrees: 60
> Ghost Containment Ground Speed knots: 30
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 8/25/2011 10:08 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler<rv@thelefflers.com>
>>
>> I suspect that may be an issue. Everyone I know that has an
>> ADS600-B also has a Garmin transponder, which can suppress yourself
>> via a dedicated serial connection. Without this circuit, I suspect
>> you'll always have a ghost target chasing you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:22 AM, "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by:
>>> "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
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>>> Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500.
>>> Matt any surprises on your install? Question has come up on the my
>>> transponder sending a target to the navworx. I have an older KT76
>>> analog transponder. Is there going to be an issue with having a
>>> target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have a call into Bill
>>> Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350544#350544
>>>
>>>
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I rarely use my oxygen because it's just a pain to worry about filling up,
but having a constant portable source would add lots of options.
Has anyone considered experimenting with an oxygen concentrator?
They make gadgets these days that take the 20% O2 in the atmosphere
and output 90% O2.
EAA recently published a blurb about this company:
http://www.oxyfly.com/
their gear weights 24 kg and are massive in size but there are some other
solutions out therefor health care that will do 0.9 liters per
minute(although they say something about 5 LPM) and only weigh 6 lbs:
http://www.invacare.com/doc_files/07-067.pdf for about $3k.
Looking at Aerox's web page you need about 0.65 LPM at 18,000 per person.
Of course this gadget is only rated to work at up to 10,000 feet but it
could potentially still put out some oxygen at 18000. I'm not sure if the
concentration or the flow rate or both would suffer at altitude and how
much... Does anyone have emphysemic friend willing to let us do some
testing?
Food for thought anyway...
VR,
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 655 hrs, KSEE based
rv-8.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
That's just the serial input that listens to the GTX330/327.
I don't think this has anything to do with the supression of
the target. This is the wire that the info into for
remote transponder tuning and such. It would work with
Garmin transponders. The ghosting is a separate thing.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/25/2011 11:02 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler<rv@thelefflers.com>
>
> Pin 33 on the ads600-b connects to a serial port on a 330/327. For garmin transponders,
this will eliminate yourself as a ghost.
>
> Vic discovered this undocumented feature working with Bill.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>>
>> There's a config option to get rid of ghosts and no show targets
>> that are in your position within x distance. It probably won't
>> be an issue for you. I don't think there is any supression
>> via the serial connection...it's based on the ICAO code
>> I believe. But that's all mode-s related. The ghost
>> containment is a separate thing.
>>
>> This is just an example, not actual config values, but here
>> is an example for you. I'm sure that by tweaking this
>> a little, Bill can help you get rid of the issue if you have it.
>>
>> Ghost Containment Altitude feet: 1000
>> Ghost Containment Distance nautical miles: 1.00
>> Ghost Containment Track Degrees: 60
>> Ghost Containment Ground Speed knots: 30
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/2011 10:08 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler<rv@thelefflers.com>
>>>
>>> I suspect that may be an issue. Everyone I know that has an
>>> ADS600-B also has a Garmin transponder, which can suppress yourself
>>> via a dedicated serial connection. Without this circuit, I suspect
>>> you'll always have a ghost target chasing you.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:22 AM, "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by:
>>>> "kevino"<kevino@worldwarehouse.com>
>>>>
>>>> Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500.
>>>> Matt any surprises on your install? Question has come up on the my
>>>> transponder sending a target to the navworx. I have an older KT76
>>>> analog transponder. Is there going to be an issue with having a
>>>> target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have a call into Bill
>>>> Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350544#350544
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600-B Transceiver Arrives... |
At 07:22 AM 8/25/2011 Thursday, you wrote:
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>Am about to order the navworx ads600b interfacing to my afs4500. Matt any surprises
on your install? Question has come up on the my transponder sending a target
to the navworx. I have an older KT76 analog transponder. Is there going to
be an issue with having a target out there that I cannot eliminate. I have a
call into Bill Moffit. Anybody else have this issue?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350544#350544
Hi Kevin,
Well, I've got it mounted in the new RV-8, but I haven't started wiring yet...
Matt
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
Bill,
I played around with an O2 concentrator (or whatever it's called) at OSH
this year. The unit was repurposed from a medical application. The pricing
was ~$2500 ish which seamed high to me but I guess they are use to getting
"medical" cash for their products kind of like stamping Aviation on parts. I
think the unit serviced two (but not 100% sure) and had altitude
limitations. It was small and relatively light weight but in the end for me
I thought it was too much of a leap at this time and would hope someone is
working on one specifically designed for aircraft. I liked the idea in
concept but their offering was not a complete solution IMHO.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Bill Judge <bjudge@gmail.com> wrote:
I rarely use my oxygen because it's just a pain to worry about filling up,
but having a constant portable source would add lots of options.
Has anyone considered experimenting with an oxygen concentrator?
They make gadgets these days that take the 20% O2 in the atmosphere
and output 90% O2.
EAA recently published a blurb about this company:
http://www.oxyfly.com/
their gear weights 24 kg and are massive in size but there are some other
solutions out therefor health care that will do 0.9 liters per
minute(although they say something about 5 LPM) and only weigh 6 lbs:
http://www.invacare.com/doc_files/07-067.pdf for about $3k.
Looking at Aerox's web page you need about 0.65 LPM at 18,000 per person.
Of course this gadget is only rated to work at up to 10,000 feet but it
could potentially still put out some oxygen at 18000. I'm not sure if the
concentration or the flow rate or both would suffer at altitude and how
much... Does anyone have emphysemic friend willing to let us do some
testing?
Food for thought anyway...
VR,
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 655 hrs, KSEE based
rv-8.blogspot.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
The concentrators aren't really effective if there's little oxygen
available for concentrating, hence the altitude restriction. They
typically work by removing the nitrogen from the air.
I doubt there would be enough oxygen available where we legally need it.
Linn
On 8/25/2011 1:16 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Bill,
> I played around with an O2 concentrator (or whatever it's called) at
> OSH this year. The unit was repurposed from a medical application. The
> pricing was ~$2500 ish which seamed high to me but I guess they are
> use to getting "medical" cash for their products kind of like stamping
> Aviation on parts. I think the unit serviced two (but not 100% sure)
> and had altitude limitations. It was small and relatively light weight
> but in the end for me I thought it was too much of a leap at this time
> and would hope someone is working on one specifically designed for
> aircraft. I liked the idea in concept but their offering was not a
> complete solution IMHO.
>
> Robin
>
> Sent from my iPad2.
>
> On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Bill Judge <bjudge@gmail.com
> <mailto:bjudge@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> I rarely use my oxygen because it's just a pain to worry about
>> filling up, but having a constant portable source would add lots of
>> options.
>>
>> Has anyone considered experimenting with an oxygen concentrator?
>>
>> They make gadgets these days that take the 20% O2 in the atmosphere
>> and output 90% O2.
>>
>> EAA recently published a blurb about this company:
>> http://www.oxyfly.com/
>> their gear weights 24 kg and are massive in size but there are some
>> other solutions out therefor health care that will do 0.9 liters per
>> minute(although they say something about 5 LPM) and only weigh 6 lbs:
>>
>> http://www.invacare.com/doc_files/07-067.pdf for about $3k.
>>
>> Looking at Aerox's web page you need about 0.65 LPM at 18,000 per person.
>>
>> Of course this gadget is only rated to work at up to 10,000 feet but
>> it could potentially still put out some oxygen at 18000. I'm not sure
>> if the concentration or the flow rate or both would suffer at
>> altitude and how much... Does anyone have emphysemic friend willing
>> to let us do some testing?
>>
>> Food for thought anyway...
>>
>> VR,
>> Bill
>> N84WJ, RV-8, 655 hrs, KSEE based
>> rv-8.blogspot.com <http://rv-8.blogspot.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we use our
body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from the air.
http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home. Then 15,000
ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can always carry an empty
oxygen bottle with you :)
On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a concentrator that
is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's still almost 12% oxygen.
Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous mineral called zeolite, which traps
nitrogen molecules. It gets saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to backwash
it to clean the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93% oxygen.
Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also runs on 12V
though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min oxygen and it's for
only a single person. That makes it expensive.
Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out 5L/min, pulse
demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V. Uggghhh.
Lenny
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of course
I'd really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the $6500
on it. I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable
pulse demand systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options since
then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
-Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lenny Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>
> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we use our
body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from the air.
>
> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>
> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home. Then 15,000
ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can always carry an
empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>
>
> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a concentrator
that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's still almost 12% oxygen.
Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous mineral called zeolite, which traps
nitrogen molecules. It gets saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to
backwash it to clean the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93%
oxygen.
> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also runs on 12V
though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min oxygen and it's for
only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>
> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out 5L/min,
pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V. Uggghhh.
>
> Lenny
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
I spent quite a bit of time looking at a variety of vendor solutions at OSH
this year.
I ended up making two decisions after spending a significant amount of time
studying the options.
1. I've got to get flying first, then Phase 1. I will probably not need O2
for a year, so I don't need to buy right now. I need to focus on getting
everything finished. This delays the expense for probably a year.
2. As much as I would like the MH 4ip, I can't afford it at the moment.
Two kids in college, and what seems to be a money pit in getting the RV-10
finish has drained the bank account. Fortunately, with MH, you can buy the
low end system to start, then upgrade as the need demands or budget
supports. By the bottle and cannulas now, add a pulse demand regulator
and new cannulas when you can afford it. If you win the lottery, then
splurge and get the 4ip.
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sean Stephens
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oxygen systems
I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of course I'd
really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the $6500 on it.
I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable pulse demand
systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options since
then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
-Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Lenny
> --> Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>
> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we use
our body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from the
air.
>
> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>
> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home.
> Then 15,000 ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can
> always carry an empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>
>
> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a
concentrator that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's still
almost 12% oxygen. Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous mineral called
zeolite, which traps nitrogen molecules. It gets saturated in about 20
seconds, so they need to backwash it to clean the trapped nitrogen out. Then
they store the about 93% oxygen.
> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also runs
on 12V though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min oxygen and
it's for only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>
> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out
5L/min, pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V.
Uggghhh.
>
> Lenny
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
Personally, I'd get the O2D2 if I were doing it all over again.
In fact, if someone wants to buy 2 of my demand conservers,
I'd probably consider putting 02D2's in the front seats
right now.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 8/25/2011 5:03 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>
> I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
> Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of course I'd
> really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the $6500 on
> it. I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable pulse
> demand systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
>
> Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
> archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options since
> then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
>
> -Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
>
> On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>
>> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we
>> use our body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
>> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from
>> the air.
>>
>> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>>
>> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home.
>> Then 15,000 ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can
>> always carry an empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>>
>>
>> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a
>> concentrator that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's
>> still almost 12% oxygen. Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous
>> mineral called zeolite, which traps nitrogen molecules. It gets
>> saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to backwash it to clean
>> the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93% oxygen.
>> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also
>> runs on 12V though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min
>> oxygen and it's for only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>>
>> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out
>> 5L/min, pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V.
>> Uggghhh.
>>
>> Lenny
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
You and I are in the same boat or rv. O2 next year fly this year.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB IO-540 Install.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350587#350587
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
I have been leaning towards a couple of O2D2s. I'd like a semi-portable
system. One where I can remove the cylinder anytime I know I won't be
using it and also for easy filling. At the same time I'd really like
everything else to be plumbed.
I still need to give MH a call and spec out a complete system that fits
that bill. I really don't need the pilot monitoring side of things that
the 2/4ip gives you. Maybe a remote switch for the regulator on/off and
a simple gauge on the regulator is all I need.
Now to decide if I wait until after fly off or plumb it now....
-Sean #40303
On 8/25/11 6:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Personally, I'd get the O2D2 if I were doing it all over again.
> In fact, if someone wants to buy 2 of my demand conservers,
> I'd probably consider putting 02D2's in the front seats
> right now.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 8/25/2011 5:03 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>
>> I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
>> Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of course I'd
>> really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the $6500 on
>> it. I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable pulse
>> demand systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
>>
>> Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
>> archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options since
>> then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
>>
>> On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>> Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>>
>>> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we
>>> use our body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
>>> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from
>>> the air.
>>>
>>> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>>>
>>> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home.
>>> Then 15,000 ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can
>>> always carry an empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a
>>> concentrator that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's
>>> still almost 12% oxygen. Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous
>>> mineral called zeolite, which traps nitrogen molecules. It gets
>>> saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to backwash it to clean
>>> the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93% oxygen.
>>> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also
>>> runs on 12V though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min
>>> oxygen and it's for only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>>>
>>> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out
>>> 5L/min, pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V.
>>> Uggghhh.
>>>
>>> Lenny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
I just used mine today!
It is the MH portable for 4 place and the O2D2 for the front two pax. Works
great. Highly recommend it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Stephens" <sean@stephensville.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oxygen systems
>
> I have been leaning towards a couple of O2D2s. I'd like a semi-portable
> system. One where I can remove the cylinder anytime I know I won't be
> using it and also for easy filling. At the same time I'd really like
> everything else to be plumbed.
>
> I still need to give MH a call and spec out a complete system that fits
> that bill. I really don't need the pilot monitoring side of things that
> the 2/4ip gives you. Maybe a remote switch for the regulator on/off and a
> simple gauge on the regulator is all I need.
>
> Now to decide if I wait until after fly off or plumb it now....
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> On 8/25/11 6:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I'd get the O2D2 if I were doing it all over again.
>> In fact, if someone wants to buy 2 of my demand conservers,
>> I'd probably consider putting 02D2's in the front seats
>> right now.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/2011 5:03 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
>>> Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of course I'd
>>> really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the $6500 on
>>> it. I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable pulse
>>> demand systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
>>>
>>> Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
>>> archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options since
>>> then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
>>>
>>> -Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
>>>
>>> On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>>> Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>>>
>>>> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we
>>>> use our body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
>>>> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from
>>>> the air.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>>>>
>>>> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home.
>>>> Then 15,000 ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can
>>>> always carry an empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a
>>>> concentrator that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's
>>>> still almost 12% oxygen. Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous
>>>> mineral called zeolite, which traps nitrogen molecules. It gets
>>>> saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to backwash it to clean
>>>> the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93% oxygen.
>>>> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also
>>>> runs on 12V though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min
>>>> oxygen and it's for only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>>>>
>>>> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out
>>>> 5L/min, pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V.
>>>> Uggghhh.
>>>>
>>>> Lenny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
The XCP 4 place from MH seems like an excellent starter system for $795
(AL-682 cylinder) with the option of adding the O2D2s later on. Just
add the mounting hardware for the cylinder at $79 and it's removable.
$875 to start is much more tolerable than $6500 that's for sure.
Thanks everyone!
-Sean #40303
BTW: I've been enjoying my IFR training. It is making me a more
proficient pilot indeed. Plus it keeps me flying and current while
progressing through the build.
On 8/25/11 7:09 PM, Seano wrote:
>
> I just used mine today!
> It is the MH portable for 4 place and the O2D2 for the front two pax.
> Works great. Highly recommend it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Stephens"
> <sean@stephensville.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Oxygen systems
>
>
>>
>> I have been leaning towards a couple of O2D2s. I'd like a
>> semi-portable system. One where I can remove the cylinder anytime I
>> know I won't be using it and also for easy filling. At the same time
>> I'd really like everything else to be plumbed.
>>
>> I still need to give MH a call and spec out a complete system that
>> fits that bill. I really don't need the pilot monitoring side of
>> things that the 2/4ip gives you. Maybe a remote switch for the
>> regulator on/off and a simple gauge on the regulator is all I need.
>>
>> Now to decide if I wait until after fly off or plumb it now....
>>
>> -Sean #40303
>>
>> On 8/25/11 6:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> Personally, I'd get the O2D2 if I were doing it all over again.
>>> In fact, if someone wants to buy 2 of my demand conservers,
>>> I'd probably consider putting 02D2's in the front seats
>>> right now.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/25/2011 5:03 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>>> <sean@stephensville.com>
>>>>
>>>> I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
>>>> Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of
>>>> course I'd
>>>> really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the
>>>> $6500 on
>>>> it. I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable
>>>> pulse
>>>> demand systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
>>>> archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options
>>>> since
>>>> then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
>>>>
>>>> -Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
>>>>
>>>> On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>>>> Iszak"<lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why
>>>>> don't we
>>>>> use our body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
>>>>> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from
>>>>> the air.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>>>>>
>>>>> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home.
>>>>> Then 15,000 ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you
>>>>> can
>>>>> always carry an empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a
>>>>> concentrator that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude
>>>>> there's
>>>>> still almost 12% oxygen. Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous
>>>>> mineral called zeolite, which traps nitrogen molecules. It gets
>>>>> saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to backwash it to clean
>>>>> the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93% oxygen.
>>>>> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also
>>>>> runs on 12V though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min
>>>>> oxygen and it's for only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out
>>>>> 5L/min, pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V.
>>>>> Uggghhh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lenny
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen systems |
One of my favorite things about my -10 O2 system is the simple gauge
in the cockpit informing me of the tank volume while in flight.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:00 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
> I have been leaning towards a couple of O2D2s. I'd like a semi-portable system.
One where I can remove the cylinder anytime I know I won't be using it and
also for easy filling. At the same time I'd really like everything else to
be plumbed.
>
> I still need to give MH a call and spec out a complete system that fits that
bill. I really don't need the pilot monitoring side of things that the 2/4ip
gives you. Maybe a remote switch for the regulator on/off and a simple gauge
on the regulator is all I need.
>
> Now to decide if I wait until after fly off or plumb it now....
>
> -Sean #40303
>
> On 8/25/11 6:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I'd get the O2D2 if I were doing it all over again.
>> In fact, if someone wants to buy 2 of my demand conservers,
>> I'd probably consider putting 02D2's in the front seats
>> right now.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/2011 5:03 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been struggling with what to get for an oxy setup for some time.
>>> Having never used any system before makes it even tougher. Of course I'd
>>> really like the MH 4ip, but I cannot bring myself to spend the $6500 on
>>> it. I've thought of even purchasing a couple of MH's O2D2 portable pulse
>>> demand systems which would be about a couple grand less than the 4ip.
>>>
>>> Anyone have recommendations on a good portable system? I've seen that
>>> archive chats about it but was wondering if there are more options since
>>> then. Other than training my body for 15,000ft. :)
>>>
>>> -Sean #40303 (wiring and prepping for my IFR training x-country)
>>>
>>> On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here's a better idea! To save weight on an oxygen system, why don't we
>>>> use our body's ability to acclimatize to higher altitudes.
>>>> This company makes a mountain air generator, it removes oxygen from
>>>> the air.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.higherpeak.com/mag-7.html
>>>>
>>>> So when you're not flying you spend some time at altitude, at home.
>>>> Then 15,000 ft is no longer a problem... may not be legal, but you can
>>>> always carry an empty oxygen bottle with you :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On a more serious note, i talked to Innogen at OSH. They have a
>>>> concentrator that is good to about 15,000 ft. At that altitude there's
>>>> still almost 12% oxygen. Oxygen concentrators use a a microporous
>>>> mineral called zeolite, which traps nitrogen molecules. It gets
>>>> saturated in about 20 seconds, so they need to backwash it to clean
>>>> the trapped nitrogen out. Then they store the about 93% oxygen.
>>>> Innogen's system weighs about 7 lbs and it's battery operated. Also
>>>> runs on 12V though. The bigger problem is that it only makes 1L/min
>>>> oxygen and it's for only a single person. That makes it expensive.
>>>>
>>>> Found a chinese company that makes a similar one for $1500, puts out
>>>> 5L/min, pulse demand, weighs 7 pounds, but it sucks up 40Amps at 12V.
>>>> Uggghhh.
>>>>
>>>> Lenny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350569#350569
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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