---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/27/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:02 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (Lew Gallagher) 2. 05:37 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (Fred Williams, M.D.) 3. 06:06 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (Bill Watson) 4. 06:09 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (Robin Marks) 5. 06:12 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (Bill Watson) 6. 06:38 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (Jack Phillips) 7. 07:20 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (John Jessen) 8. 10:02 AM - Re: Circuit Protection (Matt Dralle) 9. 11:04 AM - Re: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection (Bob Collins) 10. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection (Jesse Saint) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:24 AM PST US From: "Lew Gallagher" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time Hey Bill, Nice, Nice, Nice !!! Paint, grin, sweetie, etc. I love the camera angle that makes the FWF look about a mile long. Compare and contrast to the Maul? Later, - Lew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Watson" Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time > > I like! > > Thanks all. As many have said before, it's worth it. > > Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson > > http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.601806126&l=03397c5410&type=1 > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:18 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time Congrats. What a fun day. When does #002 come off the line? Dr Fred 370 hrs > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:28 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time There's no meaningful comparison to the Maule. First I have to say that it's been a blast using the Maule to commute between 8NC8 and KHNZ to assemble and fly the '10. With the pilot door removed, the 6:00 am (now 7:00am) flights have been some of the best in the Maule in a long time. On my first takeoff, both my Tech advisor and spouse were surprised at how quickly I got off...they said it seemed shorter than the Maule. I know it was a bit longer but a lot faster. I had done a quick power loading comparision in my head and think there's a 20 or 30% advantage for the '10. Will check on paper but that's what it felt like. As I had expected, the '10 is easier to fly than the Maule and I don't expect that perception to change. A lightly (wing) loaded, short coupled 180hp tailwheel plane can keep you busy near the ground. Two things I worried about on the first test flight was 1) compensating for the IO-540's torque and 2) trim. The familiarity flight I took the day before in Ken Barto's '10 cleared that up. Yes, more torque, but fewer moving parts than a tailwheel crosswind takeoff in an 180hp Maule. Yes, I had little idea where the trim should be initially but it doesn't matter. The controls are light enough the '10 can be flown out of trim quite easily until things are dialed in. An out of trim takeoff in the Maule will build strong muscles and ducking below the glare shield to fix it takes practice. We noticed that the Maule didn't look sad at all sitting on the ramp while her replacement was wheeled on the ramp. Tail wheel Maules stand tall and proud no matter what! Bill "driving around the edge of Irene to do some tuning on Tigressa" Watson On 8/27/2011 7:57 AM, Lew Gallagher wrote: > > Hey Bill, > > Nice, Nice, Nice !!! Paint, grin, sweetie, etc. I love the camera > angle that makes the FWF look about a mile long. > > Compare and contrast to the Maul? > > Later, - Lew > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Watson" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time > > >> >> I like! >> >> Thanks all. As many have said before, it's worth it. >> >> Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson >> >> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.601806126&l=03397c5410&type=1 >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:11 AM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time Proof enough for me. Good looking plane. From what I can tell you did a nice job on the details. Robin Sent from my iPad2. On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:40 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > > I like! > > Thanks all. As many have said before, it's worth it. > > Bill "the pics don't show proof but believe...." Watson > > http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150270042281127.325913.601806126&l=03397c5410&type=1 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:14 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time If there's a second, I'll need the epidural... On 8/27/2011 8:34 AM, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: > > > Congrats. What a fun day. When does #002 come off the line? > > Dr Fred > 370 hrs > > >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:42 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time Way to go, Bill! So the first of the RTP area RV-10's flies! Jonathon Bryant will be next, with me bringing up the rear in a few years. Jack Phillips #40610 Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!! Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it! Bill "feeling fine" Watson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:46 AM PST US From: John Jessen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time Bill, congratulations! ... by phone ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:15 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Re: Circuit Protection At 10:18 AM 8/24/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at using the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that Dynon Skyview is compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features and wiring simplifications it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any personal experience out there I can tap into? So far I haven't seen anything I would call really negative, but I'm going to have to raise my confidence level a bit more before I lock in a decision. In the meantime, I occasionally take a break from hammers and hacksaws and spend some time on electrical schematics. Good mental exercise, but I'd like to minimize the iterations. > >Stan Loer >RV-8 QB Hi Stan, You might want to seriously consider the Vertical Power VP-200 system over the VP-x. Its a fair amount more expensive, but it adds a LOT of additional functionality. Depending on your compliment of accessories, the VP-200 will almost completely eliminate the need for SWITCHES of any kind. This makes for a really clean panel. I've flow with the VP-200 in my RV-8 for 170 hours and haven't had a single issue with it and frankly can't imagine flying without it. The VP-x uses the same electronic breaker technology found in the VP-200, but still requires individual, low current switches to switch the various circuits on and off (e.g. landing light, etc.). With the VP-200, all of that is done automatically based on the autodetected mode of flight (Taxi, Runup, Takeoff, Cruse, etc). Basically, you get in the plane, push the "ON" button, and you never have to think about switches again. You can still manually select the mode and/or manually turn individually turn circuits on/off if you need to. Love it. I highly recommend the VP-200 system from Vertical Power. Matt - Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:48 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RV10-List: RE: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection I was one of the early adopters of the VP system, though -- being a working stiff, I ended up going with the VP-50, since discontinued in favor of the VPX. The principle is certainly the same, so you may want to look at this article I wrote: http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2010/vp50.html The biggest thing I like about it is I - like you- am not an electrical engineer and I didn't want my panel loaded up with circuit breakers. The VP system is simple: Wire to it with the supplied wire, configure, done. As far as the VP-200, yeah, if you've got the trust fund, it's definitely the way to go (g). It's a wonderful piece of machinery. Here's some background an interview I did with Marc when it first came on the scene: http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2008/vertical_power.html The service from VP is top notch. It's a great company. There's nothing I can think of that I would say to dissuade you from going that route. Bob Collins RV-7A St. Paul, MN. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:57 AM rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection --> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle At 10:18 AM 8/24/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at using the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that Dynon Skyview is compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features and wiring simplifications it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any personal experience out there I can tap into? So far I haven't seen anything I would call really negative, but I'm going to have to raise my confidence level a bit more before I lock in a decision. In the meantime, I occasionally take a break from hammers and hacksaws and spend some time on electrical schematics. Good mental exercise, but I'd like to minimize the iterations. > >Stan Loer >RV-8 QB Hi Stan, You might want to seriously consider the Vertical Power VP-200 system over the VP-x. Its a fair amount more expensive, but it adds a LOT of additional functionality. Depending on your compliment of accessories, the VP-200 will almost completely eliminate the need for SWITCHES of any kind. This makes for a really clean panel. I've flow with the VP-200 in my RV-8 for 170 hours and haven't had a single issue with it and frankly can't imagine flying without it. The VP-x uses the same electronic breaker technology found in the VP-200, but still requires individual, low current switches to switch the various circuits on and off (e.g. landing light, etc.). With the VP-200, all of that is done automatically based on the autodetected mode of flight (Taxi, Runup, Takeoff, Cruse, etc). Basically, you get in the plane, push the "ON" button, and you never have to think about switches again. You can still manually select the mode and/or manually turn individually turn circuits on/off if you need to. Love it. I highly recommend the VP-200 system from Vertical Power. Matt - Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: RE: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection From: Jesse Saint I agree with both replies so far. The VP system simplifies wiring in a huge way. The VP-200 is fantastic for simplifying the pilot's workload, if you can afford it. The VP-X, while I haven't tried it yet, is similar in functionality to the VP-50 and VP-100, which are both discontinued. I have been extremely happy with them. Marc is great to work with and the VP system in general gives you much more control over and information in your electrical system. It may seem expensive, but the things that it saves you (relay decks, flap positioning system, etc.) probably completely pay for it. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Bob Collins wrote: > > > I was one of the early adopters of the VP system, though -- being a working > stiff, I ended up going with the VP-50, since discontinued in favor of the > VPX. The principle is certainly the same, so you may want to look at this > article I wrote: > > http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2010/vp50.html > > The biggest thing I like about it is I - like you- am not an electrical > engineer and I didn't want my panel loaded up with circuit breakers. The VP > system is simple: Wire to it with the supplied wire, configure, done. > > As far as the VP-200, yeah, if you've got the trust fund, it's definitely > the way to go (g). It's a wonderful piece of machinery. Here's some > background an interview I did with Marc when it first came on the scene: > > > http://rvbuildershotline.com/articles/2008/vertical_power.html > > The service from VP is top notch. It's a great company. There's nothing I > can think of that I would say to dissuade you from going that route. > > Bob Collins > RV-7A > St. Paul, MN. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:57 AM > To: rv8-list@matronics.com; rv10-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com; > rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: Re: Circuit Protection > > --> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle > > At 10:18 AM 8/24/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >> I won't be writing the check for awhile, but I'm looking really hard at > using the VP-X for circuit protection with a few exceptions now that Dynon > Skyview is compatible. A little spendy, but I like the features and wiring > simplifications it offers. An electrical whiz I ain't. Any personal > experience out there I can tap into? So far I haven't seen anything I would > call really negative, but I'm going to have to raise my confidence level a > bit more before I lock in a decision. In the meantime, I occasionally take > a break from hammers and hacksaws and spend some time on electrical > schematics. Good mental exercise, but I'd like to minimize the iterations. >> >> Stan Loer >> RV-8 QB > > > Hi Stan, > > You might want to seriously consider the Vertical Power VP-200 system over > the VP-x. Its a fair amount more expensive, but it adds a LOT of additional > functionality. Depending on your compliment of accessories, the VP-200 will > almost completely eliminate the need for SWITCHES of any kind. This makes > for a really clean panel. I've flow with the VP-200 in my RV-8 for 170 > hours and haven't had a single issue with it and frankly can't imagine > flying without it. > > The VP-x uses the same electronic breaker technology found in the VP-200, > but still requires individual, low current switches to switch the various > circuits on and off (e.g. landing light, etc.). With the VP-200, all of > that is done automatically based on the autodetected mode of flight (Taxi, > Runup, Takeoff, Cruse, etc). Basically, you get in the plane, push the "ON" > button, and you never have to think about switches again. You can still > manually select the mode and/or manually turn individually turn circuits > on/off if you need to. Love it. > > I highly recommend the VP-200 system from Vertical Power. > > Matt > > > - > Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.