RV10-List Digest Archive

Mon 08/29/11


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:25 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (Chris)
     2. 07:44 AM - Re: Vans panel dowloads (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
     3. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Vans panel dowloads (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
     4. 08:50 AM - Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time (Jonathan Beasley)
     5. 09:29 AM - bleeding brakes (DLM)
     6. 09:53 AM - Re: bleeding brakes (Pascal)
     7. 09:56 AM - Re: bleeding brakes (Bill Watson)
     8. 09:57 AM - Re: bleeding brakes (Rene Felker)
     9. 10:39 AM - Re: bleeding brakes (simonnelson@vodamail.co.za)
    10. 01:39 PM - Re: bleeding brakes (Bill Watson)
    11. 02:05 PM - Re: bleeding brakes (Pascal)
    12. 02:36 PM - Re: bleeding brakes (Lew Gallagher)
    13. 03:24 PM - Re: bleeding brakes (LES KEARNEY)
    14. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: bleeding brakes (Michael Kraus)
    15. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: bleeding brakes (Jack Phillips)
    16. 03:35 PM - Re: bleeding brakes (Jim Berry)
    17. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: bleeding brakes (LES KEARNEY)
    18. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: bleeding brakes (DLM)
    19. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: bleeding brakes (Linn Walters)
    20. 06:58 PM - Re: bleeding brakes (Bill Watson)
    21. 09:22 PM - Re: bleeding brakes (simonnelson@vodamail.co.za)
    22. 10:54 PM - Re: bleeding brakes (simonnelson@vodamail.co.za)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:25:56 AM PST US
    From: "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
    Jack, I am not exactly in RTP but NC is growing in 10's this fall. This weekend I was going to move to the hangar at EWN but Irene delayed that plan. Thankfully all is well with the project; what was in the garage (see pic) and what was at the hangar (see pic) floors a little wet but important stuff high and dry. Bill, Great job on getting your plane flying!!!! Chris Lucas #40072 New Bern -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time Way to go, Bill! So the first of the RTP area RV-10's flies! Jonathon Bryant will be next, with me bringing up the rear in a few years. Jack Phillips #40610 Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!! Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it! Bill "feeling fine" Watson


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    Time: 07:44:07 AM PST US
    From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike@msn.com>
    Subject: Vans panel dowloads
    thanks From: rv10flyer@verizon.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans panel dowloads I believe you need a software program that can read .dxf. I used Visio. I just tested and it worked for me. Pascal From: Roxanne Lefever Sent: Sunday=2C August 28=2C 2011 1:23 PM Subject: RV10-List: Vans panel dowloads Any advice on how to download the panel downloads on Vans websites=85=85=85=85..despite having the latest Microsoft I am failing at g etting it to download=85=85=85=85..or maybe some will opine on whether its worth the trouble. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 07:44:08 AM PST US
    From: Roxanne and Mike Lefever <roxianmike@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Vans panel dowloads
    thanks > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Vans panel dowloads > From: peyton.b@sbcglobal.net > Date: Sun=2C 28 Aug 2011 21:06:20 -0700 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > I just downloaded it ok. It is a .DXF file which requires cad software. If you email me I will send it to you. > It is worth it only if you intend to have someone laser/water cut your pa nel for you. > Bill > > -------- > Bill Peyton > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350889#350889 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 08:50:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Today, N215TG flew for the first time
    From: Jonathan Beasley <jbeasley@nc.rr.com>
    Awesome work Bill and I look forward to seeing your new bird at 8NC8 soon. Wow, we have more -10's in NC than I realized. Chris, nice looking -10 and hopefully Irene didn't flood the hanger too much. Jonathan Jonathan Beasley Durham, NC (8NC8) #41236 RV-10 -- Just started wings On 8/29/11 9:21 AM, "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com> wrote: >Jack, >I am not exactly in RTP but NC is growing in 10's this fall. This weekend >I >was going to move to the hangar at EWN but Irene delayed that plan. >Thankfully all is well with the project; what was in the garage (see pic) >and what was at the hangar (see pic) floors a little wet but important >stuff >high and dry. >Bill, Great job on getting your plane flying!!!! >Chris Lucas >#40072 >New Bern > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips >Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:36 AM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time > > >Way to go, Bill! So the first of the RTP area RV-10's flies! Jonathon >Bryant will be next, with me bringing up the rear in a few years. > >Jack Phillips >#40610 >Raleigh, NC > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson >Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:12 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Today, N215TG flew for the first time > > >Just ahead of Irene, Tigressa flew. Yaaay!! > >Time break it in, tune it up, and fly the hell out of it! > >Bill "feeling fine" Watson > >


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    Time: 09:29:31 AM PST US
    From: "DLM" <dlm34077@q.com>
    Subject: bleeding brakes
    We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?


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    Time: 09:53:11 AM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    I used a pressure tank from the mains up. It had about 4-5psi, opened valve let it go and it was so much easier than trying to bleed from the top down, also going from the bottom pushes the air up and out. Pascal From: DLM Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: RV10-List: bleeding brakes We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?


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    Time: 09:56:22 AM PST US
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    I'd be interested in the latest too. There's quite a bit in the archives but approaches vary. Currently, I have several brake system leaks; 1) the Matco parking brake - old design with known problems and 2) several of the master cylinder fittings. Can anyone advise on the best way to drain the system? = I assume open 1 bleeder at a time and slowly pump brakes on that side, then repeat. Any advice on sealing the fittings on the master cylinder (and Matco assembly). Teflon tape? Gasket sealer? Some loctite product? I contacted Matco and they will service the unit. But taking it out probably grounds me for weeks unless I can bypass it. Thinking I just want to torque and seal at this point. On 8/29/2011 12:25 PM, DLM wrote: > > We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in > use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the > firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves? > > * > *


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    Time: 09:57:46 AM PST US
    From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
    Subject: bleeding brakes
    Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains....worked good for me. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:26 AM Subject: RV10-List: bleeding brakes We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves?


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    Time: 10:39:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    From: simonnelson@vodamail.co.za
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    Time: 01:39:36 PM PST US
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    Sy, thanks for this. I intend to do exactly this tomorrow. When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring to? I've been using plastic hose which fits tightly but won't take much positive pressure during the fill (I've been using an oil can). Is there something stiffer of a specific diameter that can be forced over the nipple and will hold while filling? I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard fitting' for the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems to know. Bill "leaky" Watson On 8/29/2011 1:35 PM, simonnelson@vodamail.co.za wrote: > Put a stiff pipe (cyno it on) on a 60 ml syringe or bigger. > Open the nipple on the caliper and put on the pipe hard on the nipple. > Open the reservoir, cap, for venting. > Pull on the syringe, and empty all the fluid,, do the same for both sides. > To fill with new fluid, full the syringe and close one side caliper > nipple and SLOWLY (it will be a hard push) pump UP the fluid to the > reservoir through the caliper nipple. > Look at the reservoir as you go along, and the reservoir should fill > to about 10 percent. Lock that nipple, then do the other side, until > the reservoir fills a bit more, both line are full. Top up the reservoir. > Easy, no air, no pumping, one man operation > > Done this quite a few times works well. > > Sy > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: * Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> > *Sender: * owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > *Date: *Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:53:55 -0400 > *To: *<rv10-list@matronics.com> > *ReplyTo: * rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject: *Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes > > I'd be interested in the latest too. There's quite a bit in the > archives but approaches vary. > > Currently, I have several brake system leaks; 1) the Matco parking > brake - old design with known problems and 2) several of the master > cylinder fittings. > > Can anyone advise on the best way to drain the system? = I assume > open 1 bleeder at a time and slowly pump brakes on that side, then repeat. > > Any advice on sealing the fittings on the master cylinder (and Matco > assembly). Teflon tape? Gasket sealer? Some loctite product? > > I contacted Matco and they will service the unit. But taking it out > probably grounds me for weeks unless I can bypass it. Thinking I just > want to torque and seal at this point. > > On 8/29/2011 12:25 PM, DLM wrote: >> >> We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in >> use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the >> firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves? >> >> * >> * > > * > > > * > ~,gM4Gqz.'8E]t.+-fZ+`axr^jzZ(j|n)b'!j'+ry'C > { > ,x(ZP!jrrj|-&j',r5hum 'oj j+E]t.+-08IaT1 > jg rz{Zi^&lZ+ky+k&j',r+k&j',rhB{ky.+jY^.+-i0fr((nbxm-&j',rr&*''k{w/tml


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    Time: 02:05:15 PM PST US
    From: "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    I think Harbor Freight sells a bleeder that blows and sucks (aka pushes the fluid up and vacuums when attached to the other side) From: Bill Watson Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes Sy, thanks for this. I intend to do exactly this tomorrow. When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring to? I've been using plastic hose which fits tightly but won't take much positive pressure during the fill (I've been using an oil can). Is there something stiffer of a specific diameter that can be forced over the nipple and will hold while filling? I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard fitting' for the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems to know. Bill "leaky" Watson On 8/29/2011 1:35 PM, simonnelson@vodamail.co.za wrote: Put a stiff pipe (cyno it on) on a 60 ml syringe or bigger. Open the nipple on the caliper and put on the pipe hard on the nipple. Open the reservoir, cap, for venting. Pull on the syringe, and empty all the fluid,, do the same for both sides. To fill with new fluid, full the syringe and close one side caliper nipple and SLOWLY (it will be a hard push) pump UP the fluid to the reservoir through the caliper nipple. Look at the reservoir as you go along, and the reservoir should fill to about 10 percent. Lock that nipple, then do the other side, until the reservoir fills a bit more, both line are full. Top up the reservoir. Easy, no air, no pumping, one man operation Done this quite a few times works well. Sy Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Bill Watson mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:53:55 -0400 To: mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com ReplyTo: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes I'd be interested in the latest too. There's quite a bit in the archives but approaches vary. Currently, I have several brake system leaks; 1) the Matco parking brake - old design with known problems and 2) several of the master cylinder fittings. Can anyone advise on the best way to drain the system? = I assume open 1 bleeder at a time and slowly pump brakes on that side, then repeat. Any advice on sealing the fittings on the master cylinder (and Matco assembly). Teflon tape? Gasket sealer? Some loctite product? I contacted Matco and they will service the unit. But taking it out probably grounds me for weeks unless I can bypass it. Thinking I just want to torque and seal at this point. On 8/29/2011 12:25 PM, DLM wrote: We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods are in use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum from the firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves? =B7=9B~=89=ED=B2,=DE=03g'=8A=D3M4=D3G=DAq=E0=A2=EAz=B9=DE=C1=CA.=AE '=AB=018E]t.+-=12f=A2=94Z+=BA`=B1=EBax=C6=AD=AE=89r=C2=B2=D1^j=DB=AB z=C3Z=BE(=1A=B6=8A=ED=A1=BA=E8=C2=C7=B6=17j|=8B=8A=CBn=B6)b=B6'=AC=B2=E7 !j=C2=B2=D5'=FD+=9B=B1=CA=D8=A8=9Cr=18=AFy'=9A=AD=C8C=A3 =E5=A1=A7{ =AC=81=AE=8C,x(Z=B4P=10=F8=B6=8B!j=B7=9A=9D=D9=AEr=19=AEr=19=A8=ADj=1A=DE |=08=B6=9F=FF=C3 &j=DA=E8=9E',r=895=AB=81=ABh=AD=15u=D0=B8=AC=B6=1Bm=A7=FF=F0=C3 =9A=B6=BA'=89=CB=1C=A2o=CDj=F8 j=DA+E]t.+-=FD0=04=D18=D2=02Ia=01=14=E4T1 jg =AD=E6=ADr=89=EDz{Z'=CA=1A=BD=A8=A5i=B9^=BE&=AD=85=E5=9ElZ+=BAk=01=A8y=F0 =B6=DA=7F=FD=FA+=BAk&j=DA=E8=9E',r=89=A1=B6=DA=7F=FD=FA+=BAk&j=DA=E8=9E', r=89h=8A=CBB=A2{k=89=BB=AD=8A=89=D6y=B4=A2=B5=E0=85=A9=E4=CA=8B=9F=A2=BC =A8=BA=B8=1E=9D=EA=E8=BA=CB.=9A+=B4=03=B6=D0=EBjY^.+-=01=D9=A2=9C=06=AD =E7=86=DBi=FF=FC0=C2f=AD=AE=89r=C7(=9B=F7(=9E=DAn=EBb=A2xm=B6=9F=FF =C3 &j=DA=E8=9E',r=89r=89=ED=AE&=EE=B6*'=FD=FD=FA'=B7=FAk{=F6=E8w/=E1tml=


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    Time: 02:36:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
    Hey Bill, It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the guys at the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this a lot. They had filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with brake fluid, put an in line on/off valve in the hose, and had a fitting like a grease gun on the end of it. So just pump it up, loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease fitting on, and open the valve until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held the grease fitting on while filling just in case it tried to pop off. Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that could share it, it might be something to consider. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950


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    Time: 03:24:07 PM PST US
    From: LES KEARNEY <Kearney@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    Hmmm I guess misery loves company. I too have had problems with match products. My park brake leaked like a sieve until returned to matcofor service - they countersunk the fittings for o rings. Anyway what I used to bleed the brakes was an oil can along with plastic tubing that was just slightly undersized to fit over the bleed nipple. I slit the tubing a quarter inch or so so it would fit. To secure the tubingI used a loop of safety wire over the tubing end so it would tighten on the filling nipple. Works like a charm. A couple of things I learned the hard way 1) if the oil can is hard to pump then something is wrong - the nipple is not open or perhaps the park brake is set 2) the brakes will not bleed if a brake cylinder is even slightly compressed. In short the oil can should be as easy to pump when bleeding as it is when unattached. I have had to bleed my brakes several time because of a leak in one of the cylinders. I weeps from the bottom fitting even when not under pressure. Damn. My next step is to call Matco. Sounds like my problem is one others have had. Cheers Les ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes > Sy, thanks for this. I intend to do exactly this tomorrow.<BR>> > When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring > to? I've been using plastic hose which fits tightly but > won't take much positive pressure during the fill (I've been > using an oil can). Is there something stiffer of a > specific diameter that can be forced over the nipple and will > hold while filling? > > I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard > fitting' for the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems > to know. > > Bill "leaky" Watson > > On 8/29/2011 1:35 PM, simonnelson@vodamail.co.za wrote: > >Put a stiff pipe (cyno it on) on a 60 ml syringe or bigger. > >Open the nipple on the caliper and put on the pipe hard on the > nipple.>Open the reservoir, cap, for venting. > >Pull on the syringe, and empty all the fluid,, do the same for > both sides. > >To fill with new fluid, full the syringe and close one side > caliper nipple and SLOWLY (it will be a hard push) pump UP the > fluid to the reservoir through the caliper nipple. > >Look at the reservoir as you go along, and the reservoir should > fill to about 10 percent. Lock that nipple, then do the other > side, until the reservoir fills a bit more, both line are full. > Top up the reservoir. > >Easy, no air, no pumping, one man operation > > > >Done this quite a few times works well. > > > >Sy > > > >Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > >*From: * Bill Watson > >*Sender: * owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > >*Date: *Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:53:55 -0400 > >*To: * > >*ReplyTo: * rv10-list@matronics.com > >*Subject: *Re: RV10-List: bleeding brakes > > > >I'd be interested in the latest too. There's quite a bit > in the archives but approaches vary. > > > >Currently, I have several brake system leaks; 1) the Matco > parking brake - old design with known problems and 2) several of > the master cylinder fittings. > > > >Can anyone advise on the best way to drain the system? = > I assume open 1 bleeder at a time and slowly pump brakes on that > side, then repeat. > > > >Any advice on sealing the fittings on the master cylinder (and > Matco assembly). Teflon tape? Gasket sealer? Some > loctite product? > > > >I contacted Matco and they will service the unit. But > taking it out probably grounds me for weeks unless I can bypass > it. Thinking I just want to torque and seal at this point. > > > >On 8/29/2011 12:25 PM, DLM wrote: > >> > >>We need to bleed the brakes for right side lines; what methods > are in use. Pressure bleed from bleeder valve at mains? Vacuum > from the firewall tank? Gravity bleed from mains bleeder valves? > >> > >>* > >>* > > > >* > > > > > >* > >~,gM4Gqz.'8E]t.+- > fZ+`ax r^jzZ(j|n)b'!j'+ry' C { ,x(ZP!jrr j|-&j',r5h um 'oj j+E]t.+-08IaT1 jg rz{Zi^& lZ+ky+k&j',r+k&j',rhB{k y.+jY^.+- i0f r((nbxm-&j',rr&*''k{w/tml > >


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    Time: 03:30:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    From: Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
    I think this is what you are talking about.... http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/hydraulicBleedertank.php Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2011, at 5:31 PM, "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net> wrote: > > Hey Bill, > > It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the guys at the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this a lot. They had filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with brake fluid, put an in line on/off valve in the hose, and had a fitting like a grease gun on the end of it. So just pump it up, loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease fitting on, and open the valve until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held the grease fitting on while filling just in case it tried to pop off. > > Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that could share it, it might be something to consider. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Fly off completed ! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:32:59 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    Aircraft Spruce sells just such a system for $84.50. It is on page 244 of their 2010-2011 catalog. I have one (sorry Bill, it's in my hangar at Smith Mountain Lake, but if you want to fly up in the Maule and get it, you can use it) and it works pretty well. Jack Phillips #40610 Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 5:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: bleeding brakes Hey Bill, It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the guys at the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this a lot. They had filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with brake fluid, put an in line on/off valve in the hose, and had a fitting like a grease gun on the end of it. So just pump it up, loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease fitting on, and open the valve until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held the grease fitting on while filling just in case it tried to pop off. Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that could share it, it might be something to consider. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950


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    Time: 03:35:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    From: "Jim Berry" <jimberry@qwest.net>
    When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring to? I've been using plastic hose which fits tightly but won't take much positive pressure during the fill (I've been using an oil can). Is there something stiffer of a specific diameter that can be forced over the nipple and will hold while filling? I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard fitting' for the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems to know. Bill "leaky" Watson Bill, The standard fitting you are looking for is ACS p/n 06-01202 at $105. For that much money it would be better to get the Deluxe Bleeder Tank p/n 225DX from ATS for $90. It comes with both universal and Cleveland adapters. Same thing from ACS is $103. Also, I suggest putting a hose barb in the top of your brake reservoir with a piece of tubing going down to a clean catch basin. Much easier than trying to keep an eye on your reservoir while pumping brake fluid from below. Keep pumping brake fluid until you don't see any more bubbles in your drain hose. Jim Berry N15JB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350959#350959


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    Time: 03:49:29 PM PST US
    From: LES KEARNEY <Kearney@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    bill Safety wire will seal the tube on the nipple. Cheers Les ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Berry <jimberry@qwest.net> Subject: RV10-List: Re: bleeding brakes > > When you say 'stiff pipe', what exactly are you referring > to? I've been using plastic hose which fits tightly > but won't take much positive pressure during the fill > (I've been using an oil can). Is there something stiffer > of a specific diameter that can be forced over the nipple > and will hold while filling? > > I keep thinking that there much be some kind of 'standard > fitting' for the bleed nipple but no one I've asked seems > to know. > > Bill "leaky" Watson > > Bill, > > The standard fitting you are looking for is ACS p/n 06-01202 at > $105. For that much money it would be better to get the Deluxe > Bleeder Tank p/n 225DX from ATS for $90. It comes with both > universal and Cleveland adapters. Same thing from ACS is $103. > > Also, I suggest putting a hose barb in the top of your brake > reservoir with a piece of tubing going down to a clean catch > basin. Much easier than trying to keep an eye on your reservoir > while pumping brake fluid from below. Keep pumping brake fluid > until you don't see any more bubbles in your drain hose. > > Jim Berry > N15JB > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350959#350959 > > > > > > > > RV10-List Email Forum - > _- > = - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > _- > = - List Contribution Web Site - > _- > = -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > >


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    Time: 03:58:55 PM PST US
    From: "DLM" <dlm34077@q.com>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    That's what I decided to use; I have the insecticide sprayer which can be pressurized. I will submerge the out line in the 5606 and "spray" until the attachment line is full and will then fasten onto the bleeder valve. Open the valve and open the pressure "spray" line. Fastening the line to the bleeder valve can be done by carefully heating the end of the tube so that it shrinks onto the bleeder nipple. I plan to have a 1/8" npt male fitting with a barbed end on the other so I can secure an overflow line for the reservoir. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: bleeding brakes Hey Bill, It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the guys at the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this a lot. They had filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with brake fluid, put an in line on/off valve in the hose, and had a fitting like a grease gun on the end of it. So just pump it up, loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease fitting on, and open the valve until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held the grease fitting on while filling just in case it tried to pop off. Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that could share it, it might be something to consider. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950


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    Time: 05:05:10 PM PST US
    From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    And clean out the sprayer after use. 5606 will eat the rubber stuff and you'll likely lose the 5606 and the sprayer too. Linn On 8/29/2011 6:55 PM, DLM wrote: > > That's what I decided to use; I have the insecticide sprayer which can > be pressurized. I will submerge the out line in the 5606 and "spray" > until the attachment line is full and will then fasten onto the > bleeder valve. Open the valve and open the pressure "spray" line. > Fastening the line to the bleeder valve can be done by *carefully > heating* the end of the tube so that it shrinks onto the bleeder > nipple. I plan to have a 1/8" npt male fitting with a barbed end on > the other so I can secure an overflow line for the reservoir. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:32 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: bleeding brakes > > > Hey Bill, > > It may not be worth the trouble, but when we got ready for this, the > guys at the hangar had something they had rigged up since they do this > a lot. They had filled what looked like a pump garden sprayer with > brake fluid, put an in line on/off valve in the hose, and had a > fitting like a grease gun on the end of it. So just pump it up, > loosen the bleed nipple, pop the grease fitting on, and open the valve > until fluid comes out the reservoir. I held the grease fitting on > while filling just in case it tried to pop off. > > Probably not worth it for one plane, but if you are in a group that > could share it, it might be something to consider. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > > non-pilot > > crazy about building > > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > > Fly off completed ! > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350950#350950 > > * > > > *


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    Time: 06:58:43 PM PST US
    From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    *Thanks for all the input! I think I know what I can use to get the job done tomorrow without making too much of a mess. Some fittings are going to get torqued down pretty hard.* **


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    Time: 09:22:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    From: simonnelson@vodamail.co.za
    I use a clear hydraulic pipe its very stiff. It was an experiment, I took a nipple to the shop to try out. Also, please put plumbers tape on the nipple tread, to stop the leaking when you pumping. Sy Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format.


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    Time: 10:54:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bleeding brakes
    From: simonnelson@vodamail.co.za
    Good luck Bill. Er have fun? Sy Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> Sender: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format.




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