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1. 02:44 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the cap (Bob Leffler)
2. 06:54 AM - parking brake valve (Chris Hukill)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: parking brake valve (David)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: parking brake valve (Linn Walters)
5. 07:43 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the ca (Space Cadet)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: parking brake valve (LES KEARNEY)
7. 08:57 AM - Re: parking brake valve (Bill Watson)
8. 09:09 AM - Re: parking brake valve (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 11:57 AM - Re: California trip (John Cumins)
10. 12:45 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Gordon Anderson)
11. 01:45 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Robin Marks)
12. 02:59 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Bill Watson)
13. 03:01 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Bill Watson)
14. 04:27 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Kelly McMullen)
15. 04:34 PM - Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the ca (rv10flyer)
16. 04:58 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Patrick Pulis)
17. 05:35 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Danny Riggs)
18. 06:29 PM - Re: Removable built in O2 (William Curtis)
19. 07:17 PM - Re: Removable built in O2 (Robin Marks)
20. 07:26 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Linn Walters)
21. 07:41 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Dave Saylor)
22. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
23. 11:09 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the |
cap
I haven't attended, but everyone I've talked to that had attended, spoke
very highly of both Don and the class. The other advantage is that you have
an opportunity to get your injection system balanced. I am planning on
attending as soon as I'm flying.
Bob (disappointed Bill stopped his comments in his signature)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:46 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and
the cap
I have the Precision Airmotive EX-5VA1 fuel injector. The flow divider on
top of the engine has a nozzle with a cap on it. At this point, I don't
know it's function but at some point, someone I trusted told me that the
little black cap on the nozzle should be removed.
I noticed that there is a blue fuel stain around that area and am now
wondering about the function of the nozzle (vent), whether it should be
capped, etc.
I see a mechanic tomorrow for some consultation but would welcome any
insight.
PS, I'm thinking very seriously of attending the Airflow Performance fuel
injection class to get a little smarter about the system and to tune for
lean of peak. Anyone done this? Worthwhile?
Thanks
Bill Watson
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| Subject: | parking brake valve |
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air during
the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does anyone
know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. Also what
tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect
(not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
I bought mine back in 06 or 07 from Van's and have had no problems
with it. Also have had no problems with my brake cylinders. About 400
hours on the airplane to date.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their
> Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder
> what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up
> the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to
> the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with
> compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing
> the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how
> to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid
> under pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me
> yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Revisit the compressed air test and spray soapy water over the valve.
Air will show up easier than the fluid will in the short term. However,
the higher pressures on the brake fluid will show up later on.
Wipe up the water as best you can.
Linn
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
> of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
> section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
> difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air
> during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does
> anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
> Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would
> reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the |
ca
I'm pretty sure that "nozzle" is the same as in my standard set-up, and it's a
fuel pressure pick-off point. Since Van's pulls that closer to the pump on their
setup, that should be capped off permanently (AN fitting).
Dwight
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351179#351179
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Hi Chris
Mine was the older style. The problem I had was not unusual. I strongly suggest
finding a way to get brake fluid into the system for testing. In my case the
problem was weeping after the brakes set. It took a day or so for the "weep" to
show around the fittings.
Unless the leaks are significant, it may be difficult to spot soap bubbles around
the fittings especially if access is tight. I used Kleenex wrapped around the
fittings after a few hours to detect leaks. Fluid shows upvalve bright red
stain. Even a very small one.
In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static
pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced
the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks. I
plan to pull the cylinder and bench check.This will be a major PITA.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-09-01, at 8:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve.
I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have
problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and
thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines
with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the
valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a
defect (not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hukill
Subject: RV10-List: parking brake valve
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their
> Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder
> what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close
> up the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access
> to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with
> compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember
> testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have
> problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of
> pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect (not
> really an option for me yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks
unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings
leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list,
and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front'
or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it
back to me.
It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to
torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to
stop flying (@ 10hours!!).
I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all
4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all
I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain
all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit
for modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed.
It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp
fluid.... or not.
I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether
it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm
doing right now.
Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the
brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust
them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it
was my plane". He's batting .999 so far.
The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some
prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the
'10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my
Bogy Bar like Dave S. has.
Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
> of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
> section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
> difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air
> during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does
> anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
> Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would
> reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | parking brake valve |
I wouldn't recommend that the parking break valve be used for long periods, they
are really intended to provide temporary relief or until you can tie down.
Incidentally, there was really no one run of the old PV1 style that had the
problem. It was the deign which is why they redesigned it.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
Hi Chris
Mine was the older style. The problem I had was not unusual. I strongly suggest
finding a way to get brake fluid into the system for testing. In my case the
problem was weeping after the brakes set. It took a day or so for the "weep" to
show around the fittings.
Unless the leaks are significant, it may be difficult to spot soap bubbles around
the fittings especially if access is tight. I used Kleenex wrapped around the
fittings after a few hours to detect leaks. Fluid shows upvalve bright red
stain. Even a very small one.
In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static
pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced
the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks. I
plan to pull the cylinder and bench check.This will be a major PITA.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-09-01, at 8:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve.
I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have
problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and
thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines
with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the
valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a
defect (not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hukill
Subject: RV10-List: parking brake valve
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
> of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
> section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
> difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air
> during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does
> anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
> Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would
> reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
> Chris Hukill
> worlds slowest builder
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Rick
Yep me too , still working on the wings so it is going to be a while for me.
Have a great and safe trip.
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707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: California trip
Hi John
I was sitting in a car at the south end, looking down the runway thinking
this is pretty short. You are right that 1800' is no problem even for a
180hp Cardinal. Just gotta watch the density altitude (something I rarely
worry about based at 650' (CNL4).
Still, I'd rather have an RV ;-)
Rick
Do not archive
--- On Wed, 8/31/11, John Cumins <jcumins@jcis.net> wrote:
From: John Cumins <jcumins@jcis.net>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: California trip
Received: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 4:53 PM
Rick
I have taken my Cardinal into Angwin several times it is no problem. Even a
basic C172 can get in and out of there no problem. Make sure you touch down
at the end of the runway not halfway down. You will do fine.
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President
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: California trip
Hello Dave
Thought I would touch base with you. I'd still like to stop in and have a
quick talk with you.
My wife and I will be travelling from St. Helena to Monticeito tomorrow,
Sept 1st.
It looks like a 9-10 hr drive mostly down the coastal hightway, so I don't
think we will have a chance to stop in.
However we will be returning to the San Fran airport on Thursday Sept 8,(we
fly home on Sept 9th). which should be under 6 hrs and since we hopefully
are done sightseeing, I will have time then to stop in. How does that work
for you?
I checked out the Angwin airport. Not sure I'd want to take my Cardinal
into there, but an RV10 would be no problem. Stopped by CIA, but
unfortunately never ate there.
Hopefully will get a chance to meet.
Regards, Rick
--- On Tue, 8/23/11, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
<http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail
.com> > wrote:
From: Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com
<http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail
.com> >
Subject: Re: RV10-List: California trip
<http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rv10-list@matronics.com>
Received: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 4:46 AM
Hi Rick,
You'll pass pretty close to KWVI on the way to Montecito. Feel free to drop
in. We usually have two flying 10s in the hangar, and at least one more RV
for the next few weeks.
I recommend lunch at the CIA in St. Helena--they're cooks, not feds. The
last time we went we landed at Angwin, which worked out fine. We got a cab
into town.
Have a good trip.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
do not archive
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@yahoo.ca
<http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=larkrv10@yahoo.ca> > wrote:
Hi all
My wife and I will be in St Helena, Ca from Aug 25 until Sept 1, and then
Montecito, Ca until Sept 8. If there are any RV10 builders near those areas
that would like to show off their aircraft or projects, I'd love to see
them.
I can be reached by this email or by my Verizon cell 314-302-4442 after Aug
24.
Regards,
Rick
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| Subject: | parking brake valve |
Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I was
waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had wandered
off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran over and stuck
my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only about 2ft away from the
brick hangar wall.
5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I'm doing
hanging around underneath his plane.
Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not roll
that well?
Gordon Anderson
#41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: 01 September 2011 17:54
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks unless
the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings leading to
the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list, and from
talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front' or master
cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it back to me.
It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to torque
the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to stop
flying (@ 10hours!!).
I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all 4
fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all I'm
doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain all the
fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit for
modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed. It might
be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp fluid.... or
not.
I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether it
leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm doing
right now.
Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the
brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust them
overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it was my
plane". He's batting .999 so far.
The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some prop
blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the '10. I
mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my Bogy Bar like
Dave S. has.
Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1
valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these
valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the
fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all
the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't
remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems
and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under
pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
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| Subject: | parking brake valve |
I vote for the parking brake. Zero issues to date (4 different RV=92s). Lig
ht,
simple to install, functional.
If there is another RV in the future I know 2 things.
1: It will have a parking brake
2: I will tell my wife a little earlier that we are getting another RV J
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gordon Anderson
*Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:37 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: RV10-List: parking brake valve
Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I was
waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had wandered
off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran over and stuck
my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only about 2ft away from the
brick hangar wall.
5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I=92m doing
hanging around underneath his plane.
Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not roll
that well?
Gordon Anderson
#41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
*Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks unles
s
the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings leading to
the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list, and from
talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front' or master
cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it back to me.
It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to torque
the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to stop
flying (@ 10hours!!).
I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all 4
fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all I'm
doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain all the
fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit for
modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed. It migh
t
be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp fluid.... or
not.
I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether it
leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm doing
right now.
Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the
brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust them
overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it was my
plane". He's batting .999 so far.
The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some pro
p
blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the '10. I
mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my Bogy Bar lik
e
Dave S. has.
Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1
valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these
valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the
fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested al
l
the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't
remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems
and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid unde
r
pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
Chris Hukill
worlds slowest builder
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I
chose a parking brake, but I'm sick of the leak.
Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in my
mouth" Watson
On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote:
>
> Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I
> was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had
> wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran
> over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only
> about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall.
>
> 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I'm doing
> hanging around underneath his plane.
>
> Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not
> roll that well?
>
> Gordon Anderson
>
> #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
> *Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
>
> At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks
> unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings
> leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the
> list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the
> 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod,
> and send it back to me.
>
> It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
> everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to
> torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is
> to stop flying (@ 10hours!!).
>
> I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support
> all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In
> essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design.
> So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then
> return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake,
> refill and bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of
> the super high temp fluid.... or not.
>
> I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of
> whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight
> operation I'm doing right now.
>
> Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
>
> Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him
> the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't
> trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there
> if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far.
>
> The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
> tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or
> some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with
> the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket
> for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has.
>
> Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
>
>
> On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
>
> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
> of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward
> section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve
> difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air
> during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does
> anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such.
> Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would
> reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
>
> Chris Hukill
>
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
FWIW, I had leaks on both left brakes from one of the fittings. I'm
sure I torqued it as hard as I dared at the time, but I managed to get
another 180deg turn out of all of them. No sealant, no leaks now.
On 9/1/2011 11:03 AM, LES KEARNEY wrote:
> In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static
pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced
the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks.
I plan to pull the cylinder and bench check. This will be a major PITA.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Chocks are worthless while you are parked on a slope, solo, with no one
to help hold the plane to get out and install the chocks. Ditto in
strong winds. Parking brake is to hold airplane just long enough to
secure it by other means.
On 9/1/2011 2:56 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
> Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I
> chose a parking brake, but I'm sick of the leak.
>
> Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in my
> mouth" Watson
>
> On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote:
>>
>> Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I
>> was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner
>> had wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I
>> ran over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was
>> only about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall.
>>
>> 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* Im
>> doing hanging around underneath his plane.
>>
>> Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not
>> roll that well?
>>
>> Gordon Anderson
>>
>> #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
>>
>> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson
>> *Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
>>
>> At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks
>> unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings
>> leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the
>> list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the
>> 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod,
>> and send it back to me.
>>
>> It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device
>> everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to
>> torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is
>> to stop flying (@ 10hours!!).
>>
>> I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support
>> all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In
>> essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design.
>> So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then
>> return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake,
>> refill and bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of
>> the super high temp fluid.... or not.
>>
>> I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of
>> whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight
>> operation I'm doing right now.
>>
>> Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
>>
>> Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him
>> the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't
>> trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there
>> if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far.
>>
>> The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my
>> tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or
>> some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with
>> the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket
>> for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has.
>>
>> Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
>>
>> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco
>> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what
>> vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the
>> forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the
>> valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed
>> air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve.
>> Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify
>> such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure
>> would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet).
>>
>> Chris Hukill
>>
>> worlds slowest builder
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| Subject: | Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the |
ca
That port is for measuring fuel pres like Dwight said. Fuel pres at this point
is converted to fuel flow in some applications. If you have a new Lyc you had
to remove an 1/8" plug, just use that to plug this hole. Use appropriate sealant.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Cowling then time to get baffled.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351212#351212
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and parking bra
ke valve should be tested at please?=0A-=0AI'm nearing that stage.=0A-
=0AKind regards=0A-=0APatrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | parking brake valve |
That reminds me of the last time I was out in SoCal visiting our youngest d
aughter and husband. We were getting ready to fly out of Redlands and I was
prepping the plane when a guy hollered at me to help him. When I got over
there he was trying to chock his 172 with his left foot. He asked me to hol
d the plane while he ran inside and took a leak. He looked desperate so I w
as happy to help him. When he came back I asked him if the parking brake wa
s working. He really didn't even know what I was talking about. He said it
was his first long XC and back in Carlsbad they never used a parking brake
as it was flat. He was amazed to see there actually was a brake.
From: Mauledriver@nc.rr.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I
chose a parking brake=2C but I'm sick of the leak.
Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in
my mouth" Watson
On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM=2C Gordon Anderson wrote:
Our
local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last
year I was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up
whilst the owner had
wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll
backwards I ran over
and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was
only about 2ft away
from the brick hangar wall.
5
minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?*
I=92m
doing hanging around underneath his plane.
Since
then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10
really not roll that well?
Gordon
Anderson
#41015
(reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes)
From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Bill Watson
Sent: 01 September 2011 17:54
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve
At this point=2C I'm thinking that the PV-1
design is
subject to leaks unless the factory has done the mod to insert
O-rings on the
fittings leading to the master cylinders. That's what I
gathered from the
list=2C and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak
is in the
'front' or master cylinder side=2C they will take it back=2C do
the mod=2C and send
it back to me.
It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from
the device
everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did
attempt to
torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the
device is to
stop flying (@ 10hours!!).
I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should
support all 4
fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In
essence=2C all I'm
doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So=2C I'll
drain all the
fluid=2C install bracket=2C refill and bleed=2C then return the u
nit
for
modification=2C then drain again=2C re-install brake=2C refill an
d
bleed. It might be
the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp
fluid.... or not.
I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent
of whether it
leaks. That would save the awkward=2C after-first-flight
operation I'm
doing right now.
Or just drop the dime and get their new one.
Or best of all=2C as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I
showed him the brake
additions=2C "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't
trust them
overnight=2C they can leak=2C etc=2C I wouldn't put one on there
if
it was my
plane". He's batting .999 so far.
The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience
with my tailwheel
Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope=2C some wind=2C or some
prop blast
and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the
'10. I
mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my
Bogy Bar like
Dave S. has.
Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid=2C not!" Watson
On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM=2C Chris Hukill wrote:
I
read with interest about the folks that had leakage of
their Matco PV-1 valve.
I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage
of these valves have
problems. I am about to close up the forward section of
the fuselage=2C and thus
make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all
the brake lines with
compressed air during the tunnel work=2C but I don't
remember testing the valve.
Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to
identify such. Also
what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure
would reveal a defect
(not really an option for me yet).
Chris
Hukill
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| Subject: | Re: Removable built in O2 |
Robin,
You have a Gemini <http://www.trutrakap.com/new.html>, installed already in
your -8? I thought they only started taking orders for them today? You
have connections:-)
--
William
-----------
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> Recent O2 discussion people. Here are a few photos of our recent
> install of an O2 system that is both built in and easily removable
> taking 95% of the system weight off the plane in 1 minute by removing
> the bottle.
> Just unscrew the grey manifold and screw on to post to remove the bottle.
> The low pressure flow is turned on/off by a low pressure toggle safety
> switch to send O2 to the canula receptacles.
> The MH system is soooo much lighter than the old Aerox system.
> Packing up Atlanta now. Moving back to California tomorrow. Yeah!
> Robin
>
> >
>
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| Subject: | Removable built in O2 |
Well almost=85 I have a scanned copy of the Gemini printed on a $0.15 SnapF
ish
glossy photograph. All I can say is it=92s accurate 100% of the time the pl
ane
is in the hangar. The photograph is a placeholder for the real thing which
should be installed as soon as available. All plumbing including back up
battery is in place and waiting.
Almost as bad as taping those Dynon brochures on your panel while dreaming
of a finished panel.
The rest of the plane is real,
Robin
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William Curtis
*Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:26 PM
*To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Removable built in O2
Robin,
You have a Gemini <http://www.trutrakap.com/new.html>, installed already in
your -8? I thought they only started taking orders for them today? You
have connections:-)
--
William
-----------
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
Recent O2 discussion people. Here are a few photos of our recent
install of an O2 system that is both built in and easily removable
taking 95% of the system weight off the plane in 1 minute by removing
the bottle.
Just unscrew the grey manifold and screw on to post to remove the bottle.
The low pressure flow is turned on/off by a low pressure toggle safety
switch to send O2 to the canula receptacles.
The MH system is soooo much lighter than the old Aerox system.
Packing up Atlanta now. Moving back to California tomorrow. Yeah!
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
The brake system from the master cylinders to the brake puck will see
far greater pressures than you'll possibly get with your compressor.
Linn
On 9/1/2011 7:55 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
> Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and
> parking brake valve should be tested at please?
> I'm nearing that stage.
> Kind regards
> Patrick Pulis
> Adelaide, South Australia
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| Subject: | Re: parking brake valve |
We did some troubleshooting on a brake system a few months ago that
included putting a pressure gauge at the caliper inlet. We were
seeing around 800 PSI at full pedal force.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and parking
> brake valve should be tested at please?
>
> I'm nearing that stage.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Patrick Pulis
> Adelaide, South Australia
>
>
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folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv10-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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email distribution as normal.
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV10-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
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Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the RV10-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv10-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV10-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV10-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV10-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV10-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV10-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV10-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV10-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the RV10-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV10
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
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The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
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easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
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- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
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- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
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- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV10-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV10-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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