---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/01/11: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the cap (Bob Leffler) 2. 06:54 AM - parking brake valve (Chris Hukill) 3. 07:06 AM - Re: parking brake valve (David) 4. 07:07 AM - Re: parking brake valve (Linn Walters) 5. 07:43 AM - Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the ca (Space Cadet) 6. 08:06 AM - Re: parking brake valve (LES KEARNEY) 7. 08:57 AM - Re: parking brake valve (Bill Watson) 8. 09:09 AM - Re: parking brake valve (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 9. 11:57 AM - Re: California trip (John Cumins) 10. 12:45 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Gordon Anderson) 11. 01:45 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Robin Marks) 12. 02:59 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Bill Watson) 13. 03:01 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Bill Watson) 14. 04:27 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Kelly McMullen) 15. 04:34 PM - Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the ca (rv10flyer) 16. 04:58 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Patrick Pulis) 17. 05:35 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Danny Riggs) 18. 06:29 PM - Re: Removable built in O2 (William Curtis) 19. 07:17 PM - Re: Removable built in O2 (Robin Marks) 20. 07:26 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Linn Walters) 21. 07:41 PM - Re: parking brake valve (Dave Saylor) 22. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 23. 11:09 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:43 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the cap I haven't attended, but everyone I've talked to that had attended, spoke very highly of both Don and the class. The other advantage is that you have an opportunity to get your injection system balanced. I am planning on attending as soon as I'm flying. Bob (disappointed Bill stopped his comments in his signature) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the cap I have the Precision Airmotive EX-5VA1 fuel injector. The flow divider on top of the engine has a nozzle with a cap on it. At this point, I don't know it's function but at some point, someone I trusted told me that the little black cap on the nozzle should be removed. I noticed that there is a blue fuel stain around that area and am now wondering about the function of the nozzle (vent), whether it should be capped, etc. I see a mechanic tomorrow for some consultation but would welcome any insight. PS, I'm thinking very seriously of attending the Airflow Performance fuel injection class to get a little smarter about the system and to tune for lean of peak. Anyone done this? Worthwhile? Thanks Bill Watson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:18 AM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: parking brake valve I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). Chris Hukill worlds slowest builder ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:14 AM PST US From: David Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve I bought mine back in 06 or 07 from Van's and have had no problems with it. Also have had no problems with my brake cylinders. About 400 hours on the airplane to date. David Maib 40559 Flying On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: > I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their > Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder > what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up > the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to > the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with > compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing > the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how > to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid > under pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me > yet). > Chris Hukill > worlds slowest builder > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:55 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve Revisit the compressed air test and spray soapy water over the valve. Air will show up easier than the fluid will in the short term. However, the higher pressures on the brake fluid will show up later on. Wipe up the water as best you can. Linn On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: > I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco > PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage > of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward > section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve > difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air > during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does > anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. > Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would > reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). > Chris Hukill > worlds slowest builder > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:37 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the ca From: "Space Cadet" I'm pretty sure that "nozzle" is the same as in my standard set-up, and it's a fuel pressure pick-off point. Since Van's pulls that closer to the pump on their setup, that should be capped off permanently (AN fitting). Dwight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351179#351179 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:14 AM PST US From: LES KEARNEY Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve Hi Chris Mine was the older style. The problem I had was not unusual. I strongly suggest finding a way to get brake fluid into the system for testing. In my case the problem was weeping after the brakes set. It took a day or so for the "weep" to show around the fittings. Unless the leaks are significant, it may be difficult to spot soap bubbles around the fittings especially if access is tight. I used Kleenex wrapped around the fittings after a few hours to detect leaks. Fluid shows upvalve bright red stain. Even a very small one. In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks. I plan to pull the cylinder and bench check.This will be a major PITA. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone On 2011-09-01, at 8:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). Chris Hukill worlds slowest builder ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hukill Subject: RV10-List: parking brake valve > I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their > Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder > what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close > up the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access > to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with > compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember > testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have > problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of > pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect (not > really an option for me yet). > Chris Hukill > worlds slowest builder ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:47 AM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it back to me. It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to stop flying (@ 10hours!!). I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp fluid.... or not. I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm doing right now. Or just drop the dime and get their new one. Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far. The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has. Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: > I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco > PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage > of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward > section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve > difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air > during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does > anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. > Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would > reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). > Chris Hukill > worlds slowest builder > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:44 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: parking brake valve I wouldn't recommend that the parking break valve be used for long periods, they are really intended to provide temporary relief or until you can tie down. Incidentally, there was really no one run of the old PV1 style that had the problem. It was the deign which is why they redesigned it. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LES KEARNEY Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve Hi Chris Mine was the older style. The problem I had was not unusual. I strongly suggest finding a way to get brake fluid into the system for testing. In my case the problem was weeping after the brakes set. It took a day or so for the "weep" to show around the fittings. Unless the leaks are significant, it may be difficult to spot soap bubbles around the fittings especially if access is tight. I used Kleenex wrapped around the fittings after a few hours to detect leaks. Fluid shows upvalve bright red stain. Even a very small one. In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks. I plan to pull the cylinder and bench check.This will be a major PITA. Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone On 2011-09-01, at 8:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). Chris Hukill worlds slowest builder ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hukill Subject: RV10-List: parking brake valve > I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco > PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage > of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward > section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve > difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air > during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does > anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. > Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would > reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). > Chris Hukill > worlds slowest builder ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:29 AM PST US From: "John Cumins" Subject: RE: RV10-List: California trip Rick Yep me too , still working on the wings so it is going to be a while for me. Have a great and safe trip. Description: ISlogoLAsmall John Cumins President 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:35 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: California trip Hi John I was sitting in a car at the south end, looking down the runway thinking this is pretty short. You are right that 1800' is no problem even for a 180hp Cardinal. Just gotta watch the density altitude (something I rarely worry about based at 650' (CNL4). Still, I'd rather have an RV ;-) Rick Do not archive --- On Wed, 8/31/11, John Cumins wrote: From: John Cumins Subject: RE: RV10-List: California trip Received: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 4:53 PM Rick I have taken my Cardinal into Angwin several times it is no problem. Even a basic C172 can get in and out of there no problem. Make sure you touch down at the end of the runway not halfway down. You will do fine. Description: ISlogoLAsmall John Cumins President 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:50 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: California trip Hello Dave Thought I would touch base with you. I'd still like to stop in and have a quick talk with you. My wife and I will be travelling from St. Helena to Monticeito tomorrow, Sept 1st. It looks like a 9-10 hr drive mostly down the coastal hightway, so I don't think we will have a chance to stop in. However we will be returning to the San Fran airport on Thursday Sept 8,(we fly home on Sept 9th). which should be under 6 hrs and since we hopefully are done sightseeing, I will have time then to stop in. How does that work for you? I checked out the Angwin airport. Not sure I'd want to take my Cardinal into there, but an RV10 would be no problem. Stopped by CIA, but unfortunately never ate there. Hopefully will get a chance to meet. Regards, Rick --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Dave Saylor > wrote: From: Dave Saylor > Subject: Re: RV10-List: California trip Received: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 4:46 AM Hi Rick, You'll pass pretty close to KWVI on the way to Montecito. Feel free to drop in. We usually have two flying 10s in the hangar, and at least one more RV for the next few weeks. I recommend lunch at the CIA in St. Helena--they're cooks, not feds. The last time we went we landed at Angwin, which worked out fine. We got a cab into town. Have a good trip. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell do not archive On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Rick Lark > wrote: Hi all My wife and I will be in St Helena, Ca from Aug 25 until Sept 1, and then Montecito, Ca until Sept 8. If there are any RV10 builders near those areas that would like to show off their aircraft or projects, I'd love to see them. I can be reached by this email or by my Verizon cell 314-302-4442 after Aug 24. Regards, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:37 PM PST US From: "Gordon Anderson" Subject: RE: RV10-List: parking brake valve Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall. 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I'm doing hanging around underneath his plane. Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not roll that well? Gordon Anderson #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes) From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: 01 September 2011 17:54 Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it back to me. It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to stop flying (@ 10hours!!). I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp fluid.... or not. I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm doing right now. Or just drop the dime and get their new one. Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far. The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has. Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). Chris Hukill worlds slowest builder ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:46 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: parking brake valve I vote for the parking brake. Zero issues to date (4 different RV=92s). Lig ht, simple to install, functional. If there is another RV in the future I know 2 things. 1: It will have a parking brake 2: I will tell my wife a little earlier that we are getting another RV J Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gordon Anderson *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 12:37 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: parking brake valve Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall. 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I=92m doing hanging around underneath his plane. Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not roll that well? Gordon Anderson #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes) *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson *Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54 *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks unles s the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, and send it back to me. It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to stop flying (@ 10hours!!). I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake, refill and bleed. It migh t be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp fluid.... or not. I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight operation I'm doing right now. Or just drop the dime and get their new one. Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far. The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or some pro p blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my Bogy Bar lik e Dave S. has. Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested al l the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid unde r pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). Chris Hukill worlds slowest builder * * * * * * * * * * http://www.matronic================= http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c= * * * * * * * * * * * on>* om/Navigator?RV10-List* ===========* ===========* ===========* * * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:17 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I chose a parking brake, but I'm sick of the leak. Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in my mouth" Watson On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote: > > Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I > was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had > wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran > over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only > about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall. > > 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I'm doing > hanging around underneath his plane. > > Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not > roll that well? > > Gordon Anderson > > #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes) > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson > *Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54 > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve > > At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks > unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings > leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the > list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the > 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, > and send it back to me. > > It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device > everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to > torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is > to stop flying (@ 10hours!!). > > I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support > all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In > essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design. > So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then > return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake, > refill and bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of > the super high temp fluid.... or not. > > I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of > whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight > operation I'm doing right now. > > Or just drop the dime and get their new one. > > Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him > the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't > trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there > if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far. > > The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my > tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or > some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with > the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket > for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has. > > Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson > > > On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: > > I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco > PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage > of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward > section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the valve > difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air > during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. Does > anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. > Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would > reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). > > Chris Hukill > > worlds slowest builder > > * * > * * > * * > > * * > * * > http://www.matronic=================http://forums.matronics.com - > List Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> > http://www.matronics.com/c > * * > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:57 PM PST US From: Bill Watson Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve FWIW, I had leaks on both left brakes from one of the fittings. I'm sure I torqued it as hard as I dared at the time, but I managed to get another 180deg turn out of all of them. No sealant, no leaks now. On 9/1/2011 11:03 AM, LES KEARNEY wrote: > In the case of my master cylinder, the bottom fitting is weeping with just static pressure. Again it takes a few days for a drop of fluid to show. I replaced the fitting in this location and used lots pipe sealant but it still leaks. I plan to pull the cylinder and bench check. This will be a major PITA. > > Cheers > > Les > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:09 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve Chocks are worthless while you are parked on a slope, solo, with no one to help hold the plane to get out and install the chocks. Ditto in strong winds. Parking brake is to hold airplane just long enough to secure it by other means. On 9/1/2011 2:56 PM, Bill Watson wrote: > Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I > chose a parking brake, but I'm sick of the leak. > > Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in my > mouth" Watson > > On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM, Gordon Anderson wrote: >> >> Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I >> was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner >> had wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I >> ran over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was >> only about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall. >> >> 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* Im >> doing hanging around underneath his plane. >> >> Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not >> roll that well? >> >> Gordon Anderson >> >> #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes) >> >> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Watson >> *Sent:* 01 September 2011 17:54 >> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve >> >> At this point, I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks >> unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings >> leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the >> list, and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the >> 'front' or master cylinder side, they will take it back, do the mod, >> and send it back to me. >> >> It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device >> everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to >> torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is >> to stop flying (@ 10hours!!). >> >> I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support >> all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In >> essence, all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design. >> So, I'll drain all the fluid, install bracket, refill and bleed, then >> return the unit for modification, then drain again, re-install brake, >> refill and bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of >> the super high temp fluid.... or not. >> >> I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of >> whether it leaks. That would save the awkward, after-first-flight >> operation I'm doing right now. >> >> Or just drop the dime and get their new one. >> >> Or best of all, as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him >> the brake additions, "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't >> trust them overnight, they can leak, etc, I wouldn't put one on there >> if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far. >> >> The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my >> tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope, some wind, or >> some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with >> the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket >> for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has. >> >> Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid, not!" Watson >> >> >> >> On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM, Chris Hukill wrote: >> >> I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco >> PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what >> vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the >> forward section of the fuselage, and thus make the access to the >> valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed >> air during the tunnel work, but I don't remember testing the valve. >> Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify >> such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure >> would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). >> >> Chris Hukill >> >> worlds slowest builder >> >> * * >> * * >> * * >> >> * * >> * * >> http://www.matronic=================http://forums.matronics.com- List >> Contribution Web generous nbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/c >> * * >> >> >> * >> >> >> * >> > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:11 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Precision Airmotive fuel injection - flow divider and the ca From: "rv10flyer" That port is for measuring fuel pres like Dwight said. Fuel pres at this point is converted to fuel flow in some applications. If you have a new Lyc you had to remove an 1/8" plug, just use that to plug this hole. Use appropriate sealant. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Cowling then time to get baffled. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351212#351212 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:30 PM PST US From: Patrick Pulis Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and parking bra ke valve should be tested at please?=0A-=0AI'm nearing that stage.=0A- =0AKind regards=0A-=0APatrick Pulis=0AAdelaide, South Australia ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:59 PM PST US From: Danny Riggs Subject: RE: RV10-List: parking brake valve That reminds me of the last time I was out in SoCal visiting our youngest d aughter and husband. We were getting ready to fly out of Redlands and I was prepping the plane when a guy hollered at me to help him. When I got over there he was trying to chock his 172 with his left foot. He asked me to hol d the plane while he ran inside and took a leak. He looked desperate so I w as happy to help him. When he came back I asked him if the parking brake wa s working. He really didn't even know what I was talking about. He said it was his first long XC and back in Carlsbad they never used a parking brake as it was flat. He was amazed to see there actually was a brake. From: Mauledriver@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve Some would point out that chocks are what's required. Arguable. I chose a parking brake=2C but I'm sick of the leak. Bill "a piece of Steelhead finally killed the brake fluid taste in my mouth" Watson On 9/1/2011 3:36 PM=2C Gordon Anderson wrote: Our local airport has a sloping ramp by the fuel pumps. Last year I was waiting behind a Diamond Twin Star to fuel up whilst the owner had wandered off somewhere. As the DA-42 started to roll backwards I ran over and stuck my foot behind the main tire when the tail was only about 2ft away from the brick hangar wall. 5 minutes later the owner turns up and asks me what the f!?* I=92m doing hanging around underneath his plane. Since then I believe firmly in parking brakes. Does a -10 really not roll that well? Gordon Anderson #41015 (reinforcing wingtip nutplate holes) From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Watson Sent: 01 September 2011 17:54 To: rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve At this point=2C I'm thinking that the PV-1 design is subject to leaks unless the factory has done the mod to insert O-rings on the fittings leading to the master cylinders. That's what I gathered from the list=2C and from talking to a guy at Matco. Assuming the leak is in the 'front' or master cylinder side=2C they will take it back=2C do the mod=2C and send it back to me. It is a PITA. I'm flying right now with fluid weeping from the device everytime I use the brakes. Run-up is the worse. I did attempt to torque the fittings down harder to no avail. To remove the device is to stop flying (@ 10hours!!). I'm getting ready to replace it with a bracket that should support all 4 fittings at least long enough to get the factory mod. In essence=2C all I'm doing is returning to the orginal factory design. So=2C I'll drain all the fluid=2C install bracket=2C refill and bleed=2C then return the u nit for modification=2C then drain again=2C re-install brake=2C refill an d bleed. It might be the perfect opportunity to use some of the super high temp fluid.... or not. I'd talk to Matco and see if they will do the mod independent of whether it leaks. That would save the awkward=2C after-first-flight operation I'm doing right now. Or just drop the dime and get their new one. Or best of all=2C as my Tech Counselor expounded on when I showed him the brake additions=2C "I don't believe in parking brakes. You can't trust them overnight=2C they can leak=2C etc=2C I wouldn't put one on there if it was my plane". He's batting .999 so far. The main reason I chose to put it on there is my experience with my tailwheel Maule. A smooth ramp with a little slope=2C some wind=2C or some prop blast and the thing will be rolling. It's not the same with the '10. I mainly need a good rudder lock and a rear panel bracket for my Bogy Bar like Dave S. has. Bill "starting to like the taste of brake fluid=2C not!" Watson On 9/1/2011 9:49 AM=2C Chris Hukill wrote: I read with interest about the folks that had leakage of their Matco PV-1 valve. I bought mine from Vans back in 06 and wonder what vintage of these valves have problems. I am about to close up the forward section of the fuselage=2C and thus make the access to the valve difficult. I have tested all the brake lines with compressed air during the tunnel work=2C but I don't remember testing the valve. Does anyone know which valves may have problems and how to identify such. Also what tests short of pumping brake fluid under pressure would reveal a defect (not really an option for me yet). Chris Hukill worlds slowest builder ="" http://www .matronic=================="" http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web generous nbsp=3B --> http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Removable built in O2 From: William Curtis Robin, You have a Gemini , installed already in your -8? I thought they only started taking orders for them today? You have connections:-) -- William ----------- On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Robin Marks wrote: > Recent O2 discussion people. Here are a few photos of our recent > install of an O2 system that is both built in and easily removable > taking 95% of the system weight off the plane in 1 minute by removing > the bottle. > Just unscrew the grey manifold and screw on to post to remove the bottle. > The low pressure flow is turned on/off by a low pressure toggle safety > switch to send O2 to the canula receptacles. > The MH system is soooo much lighter than the old Aerox system. > Packing up Atlanta now. Moving back to California tomorrow. Yeah! > Robin > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:28 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Removable built in O2 Well almost=85 I have a scanned copy of the Gemini printed on a $0.15 SnapF ish glossy photograph. All I can say is it=92s accurate 100% of the time the pl ane is in the hangar. The photograph is a placeholder for the real thing which should be installed as soon as available. All plumbing including back up battery is in place and waiting. Almost as bad as taping those Dynon brochures on your panel while dreaming of a finished panel. The rest of the plane is real, Robin *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *William Curtis *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:26 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Removable built in O2 Robin, You have a Gemini , installed already in your -8? I thought they only started taking orders for them today? You have connections:-) -- William ----------- On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Robin Marks wrote: Recent O2 discussion people. Here are a few photos of our recent install of an O2 system that is both built in and easily removable taking 95% of the system weight off the plane in 1 minute by removing the bottle. Just unscrew the grey manifold and screw on to post to remove the bottle. The low pressure flow is turned on/off by a low pressure toggle safety switch to send O2 to the canula receptacles. The MH system is soooo much lighter than the old Aerox system. Packing up Atlanta now. Moving back to California tomorrow. Yeah! Robin > * * * * ===========* ===========* ===========* ===========* * * ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:13 PM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve The brake system from the master cylinders to the brake puck will see far greater pressures than you'll possibly get with your compressor. Linn On 9/1/2011 7:55 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and > parking brake valve should be tested at please? > I'm nearing that stage. > Kind regards > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:30 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: parking brake valve We did some troubleshooting on a brake system a few months ago that included putting a pressure gauge at the caliper inlet. We were seeing around 800 PSI at full pedal force. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote: > Guys, what is the maximum air pressure that the brake lines and parking > brake valve should be tested at please? > > I'm nearing that stage. > > Kind regards > > Patrick Pulis > Adelaide, South Australia > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:32 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Dear Listers, Please read over the RV10-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The complete RV10-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator [ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as Courier. 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Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:31 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV10-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. 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