---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/14/11: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: Trip East (orchidman) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: Trip East (Jesse Saint) 3. 06:06 AM - Re: Trip East (Lew Gallagher) 4. 06:11 AM - Re: Trip East (BPA) 5. 06:43 AM - Re: Trip East (Fred Williams, M.D.) 6. 07:35 AM - Vans SB (Pascal) 7. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (Pascal) 8. 09:37 AM - Re: Vans SB (Rene Felker) 9. 10:20 AM - Elevator Trim Indication (Jae Chang) 10. 10:53 AM - Re: Elevator Trim Indication (Rene Felker) 11. 11:04 AM - Re: Vans SB (Marcus Cooper) 12. 11:13 AM - Re: Elevator Trim Indication (Marcus Cooper) 13. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (Don McDonald) 14. 12:04 PM - Re: Elevator Trim Indication (Rob Kochman) 15. 01:39 PM - Re: Vans SB (Kelly McMullen) 16. 02:40 PM - Re: Vans SB (n801bh@netzero.com) 17. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (Robin Marks) 18. 03:14 PM - Re: Elevator Trim Indication (Pascal) 19. 03:37 PM - Re: Elevator Trim Indication (Jae Chang) 20. 04:41 PM - Re: Elevator Trim Indication (Rene Felker) 21. 06:18 PM - Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (Bob Turner) 22. 06:46 PM - Dash board edge trim (Chris) 23. 07:22 PM - Re: Dash board edge trim (Rene) 24. 07:22 PM - Re: Dash board edge trim (Bob Leffler) 25. 08:10 PM - Re: Dash board edge trim (Rick) 26. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (John Cox) 27. 09:44 PM - Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (Kelly McMullen) 28. 09:59 PM - Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:49 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Trip East From: "orchidman" fehdxlbb(at)gmail.com wrote: > Also consider stopping at Gaston's Resort in Arkansas, Beaumont Hotel in Kansas, or Lambert's Cafe in Springfield, Missouri. All great places to eat. Have fun! Best, Jim Probably need to skip Beaumont as we have rain moving into the area today (hit-n-miss) and more steady tonight and tomorrow. Make sure you are up on your IFR for most of OK and AR Thursday. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352253#352253 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Trip East From: Jesse Saint If you decide to try the real southern route, there is cheap fuel at X35 (and someone who would take you to dinner), Cedar Key is a really nice place to visit (KCDK), I have heard great things about Amelia Island (KFHB). Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:26 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Trip East From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Deems, Normally, I'd say stop on by Greenville, SC "come see us!" (where your original rudder pedals live now), especially if you are thinking of Spartanburg (30 mi.). But I am currently on Ocracoke Is. on my annual surf fishing/therapy trip. So, since you will be in Greenville, NC and not that far from Ocracoke -- "come see us"! Give me a call on the cell (864-915-1647) a day in advance and I'll meet you at the landing strip -- nothing there but the landing strip, no gas, no transportation, no food, etc. They just this week opened the island to visitors and they had closed the strip as well due to hurricane Irene. If you are flying over to check out the damage to the Outer Banks (from Hatteras north) and you feel like touching down, give me a call. I'll be here until the 24th. Later, - Lew "not thinking about much but weather, tides, fish" do not archive -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Fly off completed ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352262#352262 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:10 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trip East From: "BPA" Deems, if you have time stop in Tulsa for a short visit. Allen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:15 PM Subject: RV10-List: Trip East Judy and I are heading out to the EastCoast from DVT. We are leaving Thurs am. and plan to o'nite in Branson Mo. weather permitting, Then on into Greenville NC. On Fri. We will spend the weekend with our son and daughter in law and then head to FRG on Mon. We've made the trip from DVT -OSH-FRG a couple of times and have a good idea of the what to see and expect on the 'northen' route, but with our son recently locating in NC it gives us an opportunity to make the trip a bigger loop this time. So since the east coast is not my stomping ground I thought I'd ping this group for input. We are definitely going to make a visit to 1st Flight either by air or land. While we are there. My son also informs me that we HAVE to do some NC BarBQ while we are there. Other than that we'd love any suggestions, particularly for fuel/rest stops & FBO's. Deems N519PJ deemsrv10.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:17 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trip East Deems; If weather pushes you around and you need an overnight in North East Texas, I have extra rooms available here in Paris. PS That goes for any other RV10 ers who need an overnight. Dr Fred KPRX > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:25 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: RV10-List: Vans SB Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models) Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight. http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:12 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors Once I get my plane flying and =9Cbroken in=9D I=99ll fly out to Pecan and we=99ll get the settings worked out. Sounds like you=99re a guru! specially with those Gph. I just filled ONE tank and it was $200.. ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- reality is sinking in. Pascal From: Don McDonald Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adjustment was changing out the .028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder. What I can tell you is that when you're doing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different days, with different wind directions, and different temps, power settings, altitudes.... it all seems to matter... then just when you think you've got it, it'll change a little on you. Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph and temp settings, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon. Don McDonald Flying this wonderful machine! From: rv10flyer Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year. They start out small don't they. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352177#352177http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listontent also available via the Web -Matt Dralle, List Admin.====== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:19 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Vans SB Makes me glad I did not get Sloshed during my aircraft build. Sometimes it is good to follow the plans. Will hit 200 hours on my plane on the next flight...seems like I just finished it. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: Vans SB Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models) Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight. http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:50 AM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0 I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me. The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two higher than center. I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we can't directly see the trim tab in flight. We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too? Jae 40533 Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:22 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication I have the GRT system and the calibration goes about the same way, except I do not get to set a takeoff position. Wish I could. I have found no use for the middle position marker other than to judge how far above I need to be for takeoff. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jae Chang Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0 I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me. The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two higher than center. I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we can't directly see the trim tab in flight. We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too? Jae 40533 Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:34 AM PST US From: Marcus Cooper Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans SB My thoughts as well, although if they sent quick build tanks that don't leak it would sure reduce the temptation! :( Marcus do not archive On Sep 14, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Rene Felker wrote: Makes me glad I did not get Sloshed during my aircraft build. Sometimes it is good to follow the plans. Will hit 200 hours on my plane on the next flight=85..seems like I just finished it. Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: RV10-List: Vans SB Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models) Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight. http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication From: Marcus Cooper I suspect knowing when the trim is at 0 in-flight is not very useful as you only really care about trimming to level flight. I have the original Allen display and it shows about 1 notch up for takeoff which is pretty close to neutral. Marcus On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Jae Chang wrote: http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0 I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me. The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two higher than center. I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we can't directly see the trim tab in flight. We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too? Jae 40533 Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work! ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:03 AM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors Big deal..... fill the motorhome!=0A=0A=0AFrom: Pascal =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:4 8 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors=0A =0A=0AOnce I get my plane flying and =9Cbroken in=9D I=99 ll fly out to Pecan and we=99ll =0Aget the settings worked out. Sound s like you=99re a guru! specially with those =0AGph. I just filled ON E tank and it was $200.. ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- reality is =0Asinking in. =0AP ascal =0A=0AFrom: Don McDonald =0ASent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:31 P M =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 ai rflow performance =0Ainjectors =0A Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adj ustment was changing out the =0A.028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder.=C2- What I can tell you is that when =0Ayou're doing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different days, with =0Adifferent wind directions, and different temps, power settings, altitudes.... it =0Aall seems to matter.. . then just when you think you've got it, it'll change a =0Alittle on you. =C2- Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph and temp =0Asetti ngs, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon. =0ADon McDonald =0AFlyi ng this wonderful machine! =0A=0AFrom: rv10flyer =0A=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:44 =0APM=0ASubject: RV10-List: Re: =0AYIO-540 airflow performance injectors =0A=0A--> RV10-List message =0Aposted by: "rv10flyer" =0A=0ASorry, =0Amine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing n ext year. They start out =0Asmall don't they.=0A=0A--------=0AWayne Gillisp ie, A&P 5/93, PPC =0A10/08=0ABldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaus t.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead =0Athis topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matroni cs.com/viewtopic.php?p=352177#352177http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listontent also =0Aavailable via the =0A Web=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- =0A-Matt Dralle, List Admin.========0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List=0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">htt p://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">h ===================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication From: Rob Kochman Yes, trailing position is irrelevant. Also, trailing is not necessarily the midpoint of the trim range, so no reason you should expect it to be 2.5v. -Rob On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > I suspect knowing when the trim is at 0 in-flight is not very useful as you > only really care about trimming to level flight. I have the original Allen > display and it shows about 1 notch up for takeoff which is pretty close to > neutral. > > Marcus > > > On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Jae Chang wrote: > > > http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0 > > I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview > system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me. > > The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and > take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no > calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is > even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim > tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two higher than > center. > > I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a non-issue? I > just intuitively thought this would be useful since we can't directly see > the trim tab in flight. > > We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with the > HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too? > > Jae > 40533 > Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work! > > -- Rob Kochman RV-10 Flying since March 2011 Woodinville, WA http://kochman.net/N819K ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:09 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans SB The SB makes sense for some older models IF they used poor grade sloshing compound. ProSeal PR1005-L and the Flamemaster equivalent have been around for at least 30 years and do not have any of the issues that other sealers do. In fact it has been specified and used in Mooney tanks for more like 50 years without a problem. I'm still considering using it in my Manila built tanks. So they should not have generically said sloshing sealer, but identified which specific sealers cause the problem. On 9/14/2011 10:31 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > Makes me glad I did not get Sloshed during my aircraft build. > Sometimes it is good to follow the plans. > > Will hit 200 hours on my plane on the next flight..seems like I just > finished it. > > Rene' Felker > > N423CF > > 801-721-6080 > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:31 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Vans SB > > Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models) > Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight. > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > * * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:28 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans SB I sloshed my tanks on my experimental 8 years and 3000+ gallons of Ethan ol laced fuel that has run through it..... I did do a very thorough prep on the tank inner surfaces to get it to stick, ie, abraded the surface with small sharp gravel and tumbled the tanks for about an hour, compl etely flushed it multiple times with water and then MEK. This was even before it had one drop of fuel in it. I used the new Randolph 912 alcoho l proof sloshing compound and did two coats..... Absolutely NO sign of i t delaminating... Where people get in trouble is when they have run fuel in the tanks and that gas has laid a deposit of varnish on the tanks inner surface.... Th ey then slosh it to fix a leak and the compound doesn't stand a chance of adhering properly.... Those horror stories are what keeps the sloshin g compound topic alive. IMHO. Ben... Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Vans SB The SB makes sense for some older models IF they used poor grade sloshing compound. ProSeal PR1005-L and the Flamemaster equivalent have been around for at least 30 years and do not have any of the issues that other sealers do. In fact it has been specified and used in Mooney tanks for more like 50 years without a problem. I'm still considering using it in my Manila built tanks. So they should not have generically said sloshing sealer, but identified which specific sealers cause the problem .. On 9/14/2011 10:31 AM, Rene Felker wrote: > > Makes me glad I did not get Sloshed during my aircraft build. > Sometimes it is good to follow the plans. > > Will hit 200 hours on my plane on the next flight=85..seems like I jus t > finished it. > > Rene' Felker > > N423CF > > 801-721-6080 > > *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pascal > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:31 AM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Vans SB > > Service Bulletin 11-9-13 (all models) > Posted on factory site today. Comply before further flight. > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb11-9-13.pdf > > * * > * * > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > * * > * > > > * ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4e711ea2e9d00261914st04vuc ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:28 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors I recently flew back commercial from Atlanta with my family. 4 bags at $25.00 each 4 bags at $35.00 each 1 7 lb. Dog at $200 Tips, Taxi's etc... Zero time on the hobbs. While I feel your pain I prefer filling the tanks to flying commercial. Robin Do not archive Sent from my iPad2. On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Don McDonald wrote: Big deal..... fill the motorhome! *From:* Pascal *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:48 AM *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors Once I get my plane flying and =93broken in=94 I=92ll fly out to Pecan and we=92ll get the settings worked out. Sounds like you=92re a guru! specially with th ose Gph. I just filled ONE tank and it was $200.. ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- reality i s sinking in. Pascal *From:* Don McDonald *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:31 PM *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors Nope.... stock is .028...... my only adjustment was changing out the .028 for a .0265 in the #4 cylinder. What I can tell you is that when you're doing the LOP test... do it on a couple (several) of different days, with different wind directions, and different temps, power settings, altitudes.... it all seems to matter... then just when you think you've got it, it'll change a little on you. Also, rather than trying to write down all the gph and temp settings, just take a digtal pic every 10th of a gallon. Don McDonald Flying this wonderful machine! *From:* rv10flyer *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:44 PM *Subject:* RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors Sorry, mine are about .023" not .028". I plan on balancing next year. They start out small don't they. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352177#352177http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listontent also available via the Web -Matt Dralle, List Admin.=== === * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* *10-List" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Naviganics.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com* ** * * ** ** * * ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:39 PM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication I was rather disappointed with the Skyview trim displays, so I use the VP200 display for the roll and elevator trim. I have neutral as the trim on the elevator is level with the elevator. I'll figure out what neutral really is when the plane flies. Having the initial neutral was important to me so I know what "flush" is. I'll get the takeoff settings figured out after a few takeoffs. No idea what it is now and I sure dont want too much either. No idea about the voltage at each setting, only care what I see on the display. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Jae Chang Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0 I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me. The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two higher than center. I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we can't directly see the trim tab in flight. We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too? Jae 40533 Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work! ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:16 PM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication ok, thanks for the replies. your replies echo what Dynon support said. Thanks for confirming this for me! Jae 40533 do not archive On 9/14/2011 11:59 AM, Rob Kochman wrote: > Yes, trailing position is irrelevant. Also, trailing is not > necessarily the midpoint of the trim range, so no reason you should > expect it to be 2.5v. > -Rob > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Marcus Cooper > wrote: > > > > > I suspect knowing when the trim is at 0 in-flight is not very > useful as you only really care about trimming to level flight. I > have the original Allen display and it shows about 1 notch up for > takeoff which is pretty close to neutral. > > Marcus > > > On Sep 14, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Jae Chang wrote: > > > > > http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0 > > I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the > Skyview system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me. > > The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down > 5V, and take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, > there is no calibration for neutral position, or where the trim > tab trailing edge is even with the elevator trailing edge which is > at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim tab is at the neutral position, the > indicator is a notch or two higher than center. > > I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a > non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since > we can't directly see the trim tab in flight. > > We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even > with the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even > too? > > Jae > 40533 > Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work! > > atures Navigator to browse > s.com/Navigator?RV10-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > -- > Rob Kochman > RV-10 Flying since March 2011 > Woodinville, WA > http://kochman.net/N819K > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:09 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication I had two exciting moments during my phase 1..... 1. On the first takeoff I set my trim to be even with the elevator (No Trim). The take off was a little exciting.......I started the rotation, the plane took off and then plane kept rotating. It took both hands to hold the nose down while I adjusted the trim. I would recommend that on your first flight you put in a little nose down trim.....better to under rotate than to over rotate. 2. Doing prolonged slips at altitude, be careful which wing is down and what the fuel level is in the selected tank. Otherwise the fan that keeps the pilot cool stops working. Leveled out, fuel pump on.....fan started working again.... Rene' Felker N423CF 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:12 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication I was rather disappointed with the Skyview trim displays, so I use the VP200 display for the roll and elevator trim. I have neutral as the trim on the elevator is level with the elevator. I'll figure out what neutral really is when the plane flies. Having the initial neutral was important to me so I know what "flush" is. I'll get the takeoff settings figured out after a few takeoffs. No idea what it is now and I sure dont want too much either. No idea about the voltage at each setting, only care what I see on the display. Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Jae Chang Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: RV10-List: Elevator Trim Indication http://dynonavionics.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1315888107/0 I was playing with calibrating my elevator trim indicator on the Skyview system, when i noticed something non-intuitive to me. The calibration tool has you set full nose up 0V, full nose down 5V, and take off position (not flying yet so not sure). However, there is no calibration for neutral position, or where the trim tab trailing edge is even with the elevator trailing edge which is at 3.2V. Thus, when my trim tab is at the neutral position, the indicator is a notch or two higher than center. I was just curious how other systems are calibrated. Is this a non-issue? I just intuitively thought this would be useful since we can't directly see the trim tab in flight. We can see the elevator counteweights. Thus, when those are even with the HS, can i assume the trim tab trailing edges must be even too? Jae 40533 Hating paperwork way more than fiberglass work! ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:25 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors From: "Bob Turner" Mystery solved. After a very nice email from Don at AirFlow Performance, it seems I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not Performance, fuel injection system. And they use different nomenclature: The "one banded" restrictors from Precision are .028" (while one band from Performance means .022"). -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352334#352334 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:18 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I have done everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done to soften the edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not want to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I noticed the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle and slipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight step above that solution. Thanks Chris Lucas #40072 N919AR ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:30 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim This is what I used..can't remember how long.. http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF12 Rene' 801-721-6080 From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I have done everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done to soften the edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not want to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I noticed the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle and slipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight step above that solution. Thanks Chris Lucas #40072 N919AR ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:30 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim Aircraft Door Seals will custom make a glareshield to your template. I had one in my Cherokee and really liked it. It has a nice padded brow. I'm thinking about doing the same in my RV-10. I think it looks nicer that the cloth that Abby sells. But again, that's my opinion. Description: PA-28 Glareshield (Standard) From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I have done everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done to soften the edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not want to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I noticed the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle and slipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight step above that solution. Thanks Chris Lucas #40072 N919AR ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim From: Rick Get with Abby from flightline interiors. She has a great glareshield cover a nd edge. Rick RV-10 x 2 RV Central Las Vegas Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:18 PM, "Rene" wrote: > This is what I used.can=99t remember how long. > > > > http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF12 > > > > Rene' > > 801-721-6080 > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:42 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim > > > > I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I have do ne everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done to soften th e edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not w ant to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I notice d the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle and sl ipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight step ab ove that solution. > > Thanks > > Chris Lucas > > #40072 > > N919AR > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors From: John Cox And the "Performance" give substantially more control at adjusting LOP operations. There are several other benefits not stated. PLUS Don and his wife are small business owners striving hard to make it right. The Precision guys are big business and many Certified Assessories. John - 40600 On Sep 14, 2011 6:23 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > Mystery solved. After a very nice email from Don at AirFlow Performance, it seems I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not Performance, fuel injection system. And they use different nomenclature: The "one banded" restrictors from Precision are .028" (while one band from Performance means .022"). > > -------- > Bob Turner > RV-10 QB > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352334#352334 > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:58 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors Not sure I see the advantages. My RSA on my certified Lycoming will easily run 70-80 LOP, and has stock nozzles. On 9/14/2011 10:14 PM, John Cox wrote: > > And the "Performance" give substantially more control at adjusting LOP > operations. There are several other benefits not stated. PLUS Don > and his wife are small business owners striving hard to make it > right. The Precision guys are big business and many Certified > Assessories. > > John - 40600 > > On Sep 14, 2011 6:23 PM, "Bob Turner" > wrote: > > > > > > Mystery solved. After a very nice email from Don at AirFlow > Performance, it seems I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not > Performance, fuel injection system. And they use different > nomenclature: The "one banded" restrictors from Precision are .028" > (while one band from Performance means .022"). > > > > -------- > > Bob Turner > > RV-10 QB > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352334#352334 > ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > min. > > > > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:01 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors I don't think that's being completely straight forward. They may be a good s mall company and great folks, but there is nothing about the system that mak es it better at running LOP than the other...you can use the same injector i nserts to tune either system and running LOP is routinely done by many with p recision systems too. The product should be evaluated on its true merits or differences....not made up ones. Tim On Sep 14, 2011, at 11:14 PM, John Cox wrote: > And the "Performance" give substantially more control at adjusting LOP ope rations. There are several other benefits not stated. PLUS Don and his wif e are small business owners striving hard to make it right. The Precision g uys are big business and many Certified Assessories. > > John - 40600 > > On Sep 14, 2011 6:23 PM, "Bob Turner" wrote: > > > > Mystery solved. After a very nice email from Don at AirFlow Performance, it seems I got my "P's" mixed up. I have a Precision, not Performance, fuel injection system. And they use different nomenclature: The "one banded" res trictors from Precision are .028" (while one band from Performance means .02 2"). > > > > -------- > > Bob Turner > > RV-10 QB > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352334#352334 > ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List > ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > min. > > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.