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1. 08:18 AM - Should I pop on this IO540? (EdKranz)
2. 08:29 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (William Greenley)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Seano)
4. 08:50 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Rick)
5. 09:08 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Ed Kranz)
6. 09:18 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Sohrab Kermanj)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Rhonda Bewley)
8. 10:08 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Rick)
9. 10:15 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Pascal)
10. 10:20 AM - Re: Dash board edge trim (Linn Walters)
11. 11:08 AM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (rv10flyer)
12. 11:20 AM - Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference (Jeff Carpenter)
13. 11:50 AM - Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (Bob Turner)
14. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Ed Kranz)
15. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (David)
16. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors (Tim Olson)
17. 12:50 PM - Re: Dash board edge trim (Rick Lark)
18. 01:59 PM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Kelly McMullen)
19. 03:24 PM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Robin Marks)
20. 05:59 PM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Ed Kranz)
21. 07:09 PM - Re: Should I pop on this IO540? (Kelly McMullen)
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| Subject: | Should I pop on this IO540? |
I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over,
and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years... but...
I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building.
He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane
that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell it
with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports engine,
but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might
consider this route.
I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new
cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would
I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
I am looking for something like, my thought is that I will do the test
flying and other initial work with the used engine and at some point
have it overhauled. But an engine like this could well be good for
1000 hours. If it is currently flying on the other plane you can have
a careful checkout done which should give some confidence on what you
are getting, but obviously you can never be sure.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, EdKranz <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over,
and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years...
but...
>
> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building.
He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane
that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
>
> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell
it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>
> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports
engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might
consider this route.
>
> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new
cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
>
> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would
I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
One advantage is a known good running engine during phase I and breakin.
Since it is brokin in, you won't have to worry about running on the ground
too much or glazing the cylinders before first flight. Also, isn't most of
the engine failures during the first few hours on an engine?
If the price is good and you trust it is a good running engine, I say go for
it.
my 2
----- Original Message -----
From: "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Should I pop on this IO540?
>
> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is
> over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more
> years... but...
>
> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be
> building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on
> another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
>
> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to
> sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>
> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or
> Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in
> the motor, I might consider this route.
>
> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3
> the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing
> around $15,000.
>
> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5?
> Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
It's on VAF for 17.9k
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over,
and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years...
but...
>
> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building.
He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane
that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
>
> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell
it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>
> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports
engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might
consider this route.
>
> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the new
cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
>
> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would
I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
Thanks for the heads up. He didn't tell me he was going to do that.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
>
> It's on VAF for 17.9k
>
> Rick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season
> is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more
> years... but...
> >
> > I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be
> building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on
> another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
> >
> > It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to
> sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
> >
> > I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or
> Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the
> motor, I might consider this route.
> >
> > I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3
> the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing
> around $15,000.
> >
> > What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5?
> Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
I bought a zero time engine with new cam and first run crank, new mags and overhauled
accessories (fuel pump, servo) completely new top end from Americas Aircraft
engine for less that twice that. No core was required. My vote is to talk
to AAE.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
>
> It's on VAF for 17.9k
>
> Rick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is over,
and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more years...
but...
>>
>> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be building.
He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on another plane
that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
>>
>> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to sell
it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>>
>> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aerosports
engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor, I might
consider this route.
>>
>> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the
new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around $15,000.
>>
>> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5? Would
I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Should I pop on this IO540? |
Ed:
Make sure you know what the engine configuration is and what the rebuild
history on it has been (specifically the size of the main and rod
journals on the crankshaft) I would definitely want to know what the
compression ratio was if I were you. Example, if it is a 10:1
compression engine, you're likely going to be looking at an overhaul
around 1,000 hours. I would also strongly suggest that you verify the
engine and crankshaft number separately to make sure that the crankshaft
is not affected by any of the Lycoming crankshaft ADs. Even though you
are in an experimental application, you don't want to have to buy a new
crankshaft if that one is on any lists.
Just my opinion as I'd love the opportunity to sell you a new one, but
if you can get a good deal, then who could blame you.
Regards,
Rhonda Barrett
Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Should I pop on this IO540?
Thanks for the heads up. He didn't tell me he was going to do that.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
It's on VAF for 17.9k
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday
season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a
few more years... but...
>
> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to
be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently
on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
>
> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going
to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>
> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or
Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in
the motor, I might consider this route.
>
> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about
1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm
guessing around $15,000.
>
> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a
D4A5? Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
And figure that rebuild through a good shop like BPE could run you upwards o
f 24k. Trust me I've researched it. That's why engine number 2 will come fro
m my good friends at BPE. Allen is not only smart he's cute too.... Or is t
hat Rhonda? ;)
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2011, at 9:26 AM, "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda@bpaengines.com> wrote:
> Ed:
>
> Make sure you know what the engine configuration is and what the rebuild h
istory on it has been (specifically the size of the main and rod journals on
the crankshaft) I would definitely want to know what the compression ratio w
as if I were you. Example, if it is a 10:1 compression engine, you=99
re likely going to be looking at an overhaul around 1,000 hours. I would al
so strongly suggest that you verify the engine and crankshaft number separat
ely to make sure that the crankshaft is not affected by any of the Lycoming c
rankshaft ADs. Even though you are in an experimental application, you don
=99t want to have to buy a new crankshaft if that one is on any lists.
>
> Just my opinion as I=99d love the opportunity to sell you a new one,
but if you can get a good deal, then who could blame you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rhonda Barrett
> Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Kranz
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:06 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Should I pop on this IO540?
>
> Thanks for the heads up. He didn't tell me he was going to do that.
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
>
> It's on VAF for 17.9k
>
> Rick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season i
s over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more ye
ars... but...
> >
> > I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be b
uilding. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on anoth
er plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
> >
> > It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to
sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
> >
> > I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or Aeros
ports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the motor
, I might consider this route.
> >
> > I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 t
he new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around
$15,000.
> >
> > What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5?
Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the old
Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that was
being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless they
first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if it wasn't,
than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines unless you open it up
and see what's inside, you're guessing it's fine.. that was not a risk I was
willing to take. I suppose documents and scopes would work..but I am
"trusting" it's accurate.
If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to assure
it's solid, you may be fine.
People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building already,
you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit but are willing
to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build.
Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off
their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will
have options.
Best of success!
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Sohrab Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Should I pop on this IO540?
I bought a zero time engine with new cam and first run crank, new mags and
overhauled accessories (fuel pump, servo) completely new top end from
Americas Aircraft engine for less that twice that. No core was required. My
vote is to talk to AAE.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
>
> It's on VAF for 17.9k
>
> Rick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season
>> is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few
>> more years... but...
>>
>> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be
>> building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on
>> another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
>>
>> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to
>> sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>>
>> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or
>> Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in
>> the motor, I might consider this route.
>>
>> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3
>> the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing
>> around $15,000.
>>
>> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5?
>> Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dash board edge trim |
You might try the automotive door edge trim ..... comes in colors too.
Linn
On 9/14/2011 9:42 PM, Chris wrote:
>
> I am finalizing the plane for weight and balance and making sure I
> have done everything I want to do. I am wondering what folks have done
> to soften the edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse
> top skin). I do not want to do anything too fancy but simple and quick
> but nice looking. I noticed the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel
> line split down the middle and slipped over the edge, which is ok, I
> guess, but I would like a slight step above that solution.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris Lucas
>
> #40072
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> N919AR
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
Downsizing...be careful as I have never heard of any pilot wanting less power.
I would not buy it unless I saw some performance numbers for myself, researched,
boroscoped and compression tested it. Also if older than 10 yrs you may have
some age related issues to deal with.
If it is already removed then I would be a little suspicious. I know if I was
going to sell my "Huge IO-540" running engine, it would be planned far enough
in advance to allow potential buyers to fly with me or video it for them.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
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| Subject: | Re: FCC Comments regarding Lightsquared and GPS interference |
LightSquared: Did White House Pressure General Shelton to Help Donor?
- The Daily Beast
Interesting article on Lightsquared and politics...
I don't mean to set off a firestorm of political debate here (though I
expect it)
Do Not Archive
On Jul 18, 2011, at 6:14 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> The FCC has an open comment period now for this whole
> Lightsquared mess. Here's the link, and you enter 11-109
> in the proceeding number field.
>
> This is something that affects us all, in a huge way,
> so If you care anything about your navigation using
> GPS, just take the time to at least put in some small
> comment regarding the situation. Perhaps explain
> that GPS is of so great core importance that no
> broadband internet or any other service should be
> allowed to infringe even slightly on GPS coverage.
> Tim
> =====
>
>
> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/upload/begin?procName=&filedFrom=X
>
>
> AEA: Defend GPS, Submit Comments Now
>
> The Aircraft Electronics Association (AEA) is urging -- and guiding
> -- GPS users to actively participate in defending GPS from the
> potential interference of proposed wireless broadband services.
> AEA's concern is a reaction to the efforts of a company called
> LightSquared, which is seeking to construct a nationwide
> infrastructure to support wireless broadband on radio frequencies
> adjacent to those used by GPS. Tests have shown that implementation
> of the system can cause interference with GPS and the FCC is seeking
> public feedback on those results. Toward that end, AEA has provided
> guidelines and advice for delivering your message to the FCC prior
> to the agency's looming deadline.
>
> To access the FCC's electronic Comments Filing System, click here.
> Find the box that says "Proceeding Number" and type 11-109. You'll
> then be required to enter identifying information into the form and
> add your comments. AEA encourages commenters to supply information
> on how they use GPS and what would happen if GPS became unavailable
> or unreliable. AEA suggests including comments that state
> LightSquared's operations and GPS are fundamentally incompatible and
> the FCC should order LightSquared out of the frequency currently
> being considered for use. AEA stipulates that wireless capacity is
> important, but says it should not come at the expense of GPS, "which
> is critical to our country's economy." While the issue is clearly
> important to pilots, it may be worth noting that GPS is an
> important, if not vital, resource for a wide range of users ranging
> far beyond pilots and the military, to drivers and life-saving
> activities. The deadline for comments is July 30.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> GPS A Side Issue In High-Stakes Broadband Battle
>
> Although the FCC's rulemaking process is nowhere near finished on
> the LightSquared/GPS issue, LightSquared's multi-billion-dollar
> business plan appears to be unaffected by the nagging details of
> regulatory approval and the potential destruction of the GPS system.
> According to CNET, Sprint, Nextel and LightSquared are about to
> announce a blockbuster partnership that will allow Sprint to migrate
> its service to the Long Term Evolution (LTE) broadband service that
> LightSquared is offering and is apparently the next big thing in
> wireless. In exchange, LightSquared gets the use of the 40,000 cell
> towers (remember those 40,000 towers?) that Sprint already owns for
> a rental fee of about $2 billion a year. What's significant for
> those who care about GPS in all of this is that the interference
> that's been clearly demonstrated is a side issue in high-stakes
> intrigue that may alter the broadband services landscape considerably.
>
> The broadband publications are abuzz with suggestions that hedge
> fund guru Philip Falcone's venture into the wireless business hasn't
> gone through normal channels and that the political impetus will
> make it hard to stop. According to Bloomberg Falcone was bragging
> about the deal to investors in his Harbinger Capital Partners fund
> that the deal was done on June 15. That was the date LightSquared
> was supposed to have submitted a report to the FCC regarding
> potential interference with GPS but instead asked for an extension.
> By early July, the report had been submitted and it was clear that
> interference was an issue but LightSquared answered in news releases
> that it would alter its plans to minimize GPS interference.
> Meanwhile, the FCC is taking comments on the LightSquared proposal.
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
Is that correct? e.g., can the airflow performance restrictors fit in the Precision
nozzles?
According to the Precision web site, they won't sell restrictors only - they want
you to buy restrictors and nozzles as a matched set.
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
It's currently on a Starduster. He wants to put on a shorter lighter 4
cylinder engine, and make a few bucks in the process.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:02 PM, rv10flyer <wayne.gillispie@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> Downsizing...be careful as I have never heard of any pilot wanting less
> power.
>
> I would not buy it unless I saw some performance numbers for myself,
> researched, boroscoped and compression tested it. Also if older than 10 yrs
> you may have some age related issues to deal with.
>
> If it is already removed then I would be a little suspicious. I know if I
> was going to sell my "Huge IO-540" running engine, it would be planned far
> enough in advance to allow potential buyers to fly with me or video it for
> them.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
> Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust.
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| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
Airflow restrictors fit fine in Precision system. I took my airplane
(with Precision FI) to Airflow a couple of years ago and spent the
afternoon with Kyle balancing my injectors.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Sep 15, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> Is that correct? e.g., can the airflow performance restrictors fit
> in the Precision nozzles?
> According to the Precision web site, they won't sell restrictors
> only - they want you to buy restrictors and nozzles as a matched set.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: YIO-540 airflow performance injectors |
I bought my restrictors from them. They are a great way to go. If they require
a matched set that would be something new. I don't see why it would matter.
Tim
On Sep 15, 2011, at 1:46 PM, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
> Is that correct? e.g., can the airflow performance restrictors fit in the Precision
nozzles?
> According to the Precision web site, they won't sell restrictors only - they
want you to buy restrictors and nozzles as a matched set.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dash board edge trim |
Years ago we replaced our glareshield cover when we replaced the windshield
in our Cardinal, with a piece of leather we bought.=C2- After having a f
riend cut and sew it to the proper shape,=C2-we then glued it down.=C2-
All in all a bad idea, as the leather shrunk, and we ended up ripping it a
ll out for a commercially made cover anyway.
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#40956
Southampton, Ont
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--- On Thu, 9/15/11, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
From: Rick <ricksked@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Dash board edge trim
Received: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 3:07 AM
Get with Abby from flightline interiors. She has a great glareshield cover
and edge.=C2-
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RV-10 x 2
RV Central Las Vegas=C2-
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This is what I used.can=99t remember how long.
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e edge of the dash (the aft edge of the F-1071 FWD fuse top skin). I do not
want to do anything too fancy but simple and quick but nice looking. I not
iced the Van's RV-10 has automotive type fuel line split down the middle an
d slipped over the edge, which is ok, I guess, but I would like a slight st
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
Another option for someone buying said engine is to have it delivered to
one of the "name" engine shops to put on their test cell, run it to
verify its condition and performance, then pickle it to be ready for
install. That gets you a tested engine that you know is or isn't as
represented that won't need a break-in. Of course age of the overhaul as
well as hours of use are factors, as well as whether it is properly
configured with right mounts, and proper accessory location.
On 9/15/2011 10:12 AM, Pascal wrote:
>
> Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the
> old Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
> Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that
> was being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless
> they first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if
> it wasn't, than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines
> unless you open it up and see what's inside, you're guessing it's
> fine.. that was not a risk I was willing to take. I suppose documents
> and scopes would work..but I am "trusting" it's accurate.
> If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to
> assure it's solid, you may be fine.
> People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building
> already, you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit
> but are willing to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the
> build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need
> to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as
> well but you will have options.
> Best of success!
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sohrab Kermanj
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Should I pop on this IO540?
>
>
> I bought a zero time engine with new cam and first run crank, new mags
> and overhauled accessories (fuel pump, servo) completely new top end
> from Americas Aircraft engine for less that twice that. No core was
> required. My vote is to talk to AAE.
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> It's on VAF for 17.9k
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday
>>> season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor
>>> for a few more years... but...
>>>
>>> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to
>>> be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's
>>> currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a
>>> 200HP motor.
>>>
>>> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's
>>> going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>>>
>>> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or
>>> Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT
>>> in the motor, I might consider this route.
>>>
>>> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about
>>> 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm
>>> guessing around $15,000.
>>>
>>> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a
>>> D4A5? Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
Snip >> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the
build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell
off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you
will have options.
I don't necessarily think that is an excellent price and as such with all
the potential unknowns would have me following Pascal's suggestion and wait.
A friend purchased a similar "sounding" engine for $10k. He is now flying
and the engine was a good deal to get flying but it is making metal and it
can not come close to the power generated by my BPE engine. He comments
every time we take off in my -10.
See how quickly this engine showed up? The same thing will happen closer to
the time you will actually need an engine. I say wait.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:23 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the old
Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that was
being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless they
first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if it wasn't,
than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines unless you open it up
and see what's inside, you're guessing it's fine.. that was not a risk I was
willing to take. I suppose documents and scopes would work..but I am
"trusting" it's accurate.
If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to assure
it's solid, you may be fine.
People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building already,
you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit but are willing
to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build.
Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off
their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will
have options.
Best of success!
Pascal
-----Original Message----- From: Sohrab Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Should I pop on this IO540?
I bought a zero time engine with new cam and first run crank, new mags and
overhauled accessories (fuel pump, servo) completely new top end from
Americas Aircraft engine for less that twice that. No core was required. My
vote is to talk to AAE.
Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
It's on VAF for 17.9k
Rick
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is
over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more
years... but...
I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be
building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on
another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to
sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or
Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the
motor, I might consider this route.
I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the
new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around
$15,000.
What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5?
Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
Thanks for all the input guys!
If I proceed, I'm going to have a friend of mine who's an A&P IA go thru it
top to bottom. And thanks to all the info, I know a few more things I'm
going to be looking for in the logs, and ask to have looked at.
I also feel better that a few of you say to wait. I don't want to go into
any transaction feeling like it's the last chance for a deal.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> Snip >> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the
> build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell
> off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you
> will have options.
>
> I don't necessarily think that is an excellent price and as such with all
> the potential unknowns would have me following Pascal's suggestion and wait.
> A friend purchased a similar "sounding" engine for $10k. He is now flying
> and the engine was a good deal to get flying but it is making metal and it
> can not come close to the power generated by my BPE engine. He comments
> every time we take off in my -10.
> See how quickly this engine showed up? The same thing will happen closer to
> the time you will actually need an engine. I say wait.
>
> Robin
>
> Sent from my iPad2.
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:23 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the old
> Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
> Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that was
> being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me unless they
> first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new, but if it wasn't,
> than we would know for sure. When it comes to engines unless you open it up
> and see what's inside, you're guessing it's fine.. that was not a risk I was
> willing to take. I suppose documents and scopes would work..but I am
> "trusting" it's accurate.
> If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to assure
> it's solid, you may be fine.
> People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building already,
> you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit but are willing
> to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the build.
> Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need to sell off
> their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as well but you will
> have options.
> Best of success!
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Sohrab Kermanj
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Should I pop on this IO540?
>
>
> I bought a zero time engine with new cam and first run crank, new mags and
> overhauled accessories (fuel pump, servo) completely new top end from
> Americas Aircraft engine for less that twice that. No core was required. My
> vote is to talk to AAE.
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> It's on VAF for 17.9k
>
>
> Rick
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday season is
> over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor for a few more
> years... but...
>
>
> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going to be
> building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's currently on
> another plane that they are going to be downsizing to a 200HP motor.
>
>
> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's going to
> sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>
>
> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or
> Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be CONFIDENT in the
> motor, I might consider this route.
>
>
> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about 1/3 the
> new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm guessing around
> $15,000.
>
>
> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a D4A5?
> Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
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| Subject: | Re: Should I pop on this IO540? |
Yes, was offered an engine today. I will probably need one in 4-6
months. 250hp carbureted Aztec engine. 5 yrs and 200 hours since major,
narrow deck. No other information about who did the overhaul, etc.
Seller wants 20K. Selling because Aztec airframe is bent and worthless,
so trying to get his money back out of engines and avionics. I declined.
Also was A1D5 version which lacks fuel injection and better
counterweights in the C4B5 or A4D5
On 9/15/2011 3:20 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Snip >> I would start the project first and order the engine later in
> the build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even
> need to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may
> as well but you will have options.
>
> I don't necessarily think that is an excellent price and as such with
> all the potential unknowns would have me following Pascal's suggestion
> and wait. A friend purchased a similar "sounding" engine for $10k. He
> is now flying and the engine was a good deal to get flying but it is
> making metal and it can not come close to the power generated by my
> BPE engine. He comments every time we take off in my -10.
> See how quickly this engine showed up? The same thing will happen
> closer to the time you will actually need an engine. I say wait.
>
> Robin
>
> Sent from my iPad2.
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 12:23 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net
> <mailto:rv10flyer@verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>> <mailto:rv10flyer@verizon.net>>
>>
>> Same here. I felt that new was overkill, specially since I wanted the
>> old Narrow deck core. America's was first rate.
>> Interestingly they had an engine with the same hours off a plane that
>> was being parted out. America's would not sell the engine to me
>> unless they first verified all was fine inside. All was close to new,
>> but if it wasn't, than we would know for sure. When it comes to
>> engines unless you open it up and see what's inside, you're guessing
>> it's fine.. that was not a risk I was willing to take. I suppose
>> documents and scopes would work..but I am "trusting" it's accurate.
>> If you're A&P is reliable and can scope and do everything for you to
>> assure it's solid, you may be fine.
>> People have left engines sitting for years, but they were building
>> already, you are planning to put off a 10k investment in a tail kit
>> but are willing to spend 15K on a engine you wont need for a while?
>> I would start the project first and order the engine later in the
>> build. Things happen, people "need" to stop building, some even need
>> to sell off their projects. Engines will come up, the prices may as
>> well but you will have options.
>> Best of success!
>> Pascal
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Sohrab Kermanj
>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:15 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Should I pop on this IO540?
>>
>> <mailto:flysrv10@gmail.com>>
>>
>> I bought a zero time engine with new cam and first run crank, new
>> mags and overhauled accessories (fuel pump, servo) completely new top
>> end from Americas Aircraft engine for less that twice that. No core
>> was required. My vote is to talk to AAE.
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Rick <ricksked@cox.net
>> <mailto:ricksked@cox.net>> wrote:
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>>> <mailto:ricksked@cox.net>>
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>>> It's on VAF for 17.9k
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>>> Rick
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 8:14 AM, "EdKranz" <ed.kranz@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:ed.kranz@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>>> <mailto:ed.kranz@gmail.com>>
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>>>> I'm not planning on ordering my tail kit until after the holiday
>>>> season is over, and I didn't think I'd need to worry about a motor
>>>> for a few more years... but...
>>>>
>>>> I just got an email from a A&P friend of mine who knows I'm going
>>>> to be building. He says that he found an IO540 D4A5 for me. It's
>>>> currently on another plane that they are going to be downsizing to
>>>> a 200HP motor.
>>>>
>>>> It has 890 hours on it, "Not damaged, no prop strikes" and he's
>>>> going to sell it with all the accessories. It has Bendix mags.
>>>>
>>>> I had always figured I'd go the new route with either a Barrett or
>>>> Aerosports engine, but if the price is right, and I can be
>>>> CONFIDENT in the motor, I might consider this route.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a firm price that he is asking yet, but he said "about
>>>> 1/3 the new cost" that he looked up on the Vans website... so I'm
>>>> guessing around $15,000.
>>>>
>>>> What are your opinions on this? What is the cost of a rebuild on a
>>>> D4A5? Would I be able save any money and still have a reliable motor?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352368#352368
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