---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/10/11: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:01 AM - Re: Prop ground clearance (Roger Standley) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: Prop ground clearance (johngoodman) 3. 05:52 AM - Re: Re: Prop ground clearance (Kelly McMullen) 4. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: Prop ground clearance (Michael Kraus) 5. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Prop ground clearance (Bill Gipson) 6. 07:27 AM - Re: Prop ground clearance (johngoodman) 7. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Prop ground clearance (Marcus Cooper) 8. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Prop ground clearance (Michael Kraus) 9. 09:57 AM - Ameri-King AK-450 vs ACK E-10 Remote Control Panel... (Matt Dralle) 10. 10:39 AM - Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchased at a local store? (Andrew Johnson) 11. 10:53 AM - Re: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchased at a local store? (Linn Walters) 12. 11:48 AM - Re: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchased at a local store? (Michael Kraus) 13. 11:50 AM - Re: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchas (rv10flyer) 14. 01:28 PM - Re: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchased at a local store? (John Cox) 15. 01:43 PM - Re: Panel Audio/Data Diagrams (Dave Saylor) 16. 02:13 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-450 vs ACK E-10 Remote Control Panel... (Bob Turner) 17. 02:48 PM - Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (Bob Leffler) 18. 03:02 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (Bob Turner) 19. 03:44 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (Deems Davis) 20. 04:12 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (Bob Leffler) 21. 04:19 PM - Re: Ameri-King AK-450 vs ACK E-10 Remote Control Panel... (Matt Dralle) 22. 04:53 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (Deems Davis) 23. 04:54 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (Jesse Saint) 24. 06:21 PM - Off-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (Jesse Saint) 25. 06:23 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (rv10flyer) 26. 07:13 PM - 2 IO-540-C4B5 engines for sale (b432291) 27. 07:33 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (Jim Combs) 28. 08:37 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (greghale) 29. 08:39 PM - Re: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purcha (greghale) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:10 AM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop ground clearance I remembered wrong. You guys are exactly right. My bad. I went back to section 46 and it is an extra U-1002 washer that Vans supplied for after the elastomers "take a set". Roger 40291 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly McMullen To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:33 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Prop ground clearance > My finish kit came with only 4 shock disks. I seriously doubt Van's would supply an extra. They now cost around $80-90 each, and they will never compress enough for you to install another. When you lose 1/2 inch in stack height, they are essentially worn out. You see, these are the exact same part number shock disks used on all three gear legs of a Mooney(3 on the nose, 4 on each main). At the weight of the short and intermediate older Mooneys they last 10-20 yrs. At the weight of the newest long body Mooneys they last 4-10 yrs. Difference is about 800 extra pounds on the newer models. My E model Mooney has empty wt of 1645 lbs, or slightly more than RV-10 empty, and has 52 gal fuel capacity, so its normal parked wt with full tanks is very comparable to an RV-10. I last changed shock disks in 1999, and they are still in good shape...no loss of stack height. The only supplier these days is Lord. Rapco used to make them, but theirs had reputation of not lasting as long, so didn't sell well, even though they were several bucks cheaper. On 10/9/2011 9:47 PM, Seano wrote: > I used all of the supplied elastomers on my kit???? Can't remember > how many off hand. I thought the extra aluminum washers were supplied > for later when the elastomer gets a little worn in. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Standley > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2011 6:31 PM > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Prop ground clearance > > John, > Do you have any vertical "play" in your nose gear? Vans calls for > four J-11968-14 nose gear elastomers and they included a fifth one > for later. At 300 hours, I have just a little vertical play. I > have 8" clearance from prop (2 blade) to ground when nose tire is > inflated to 42 lbs. At 7 1/2 " clearance I know the nose tire > needs more air. I will add the fifth elastomer when I have more > vertical play or I no longer have at least 8" clearance when the > nose tire is properly inflated. > Roger > 40291 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Marcus Cooper > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:40 AM > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Prop ground clearance > > >> > > John, > I don't remember having read any issues that folks have had > with prop clearance, but if you are facing bumpy terrain or > maybe a lot of rocks I would recommend against adjusting the > nose wheel or nose gear assembly. This would alter your > sitting angle of attack and could result in getting airborne > at a speed less than you would like. A small change might not > be significant, but just something to consider. I suspect > going with a 3 blade would be the safest course of action as > you still have a known combination verses the other options. > > Marcus > > do not archive > On Oct 9, 2011, at 1:56 PM, johngoodman wrote: > > >> > > Any suggestions on how to increase prop arc ground clearance? > > The obvious one is a smaller prop, or a 3 blade, but how about > a larger nose tire, or a slightly longer WD-1016 nose gear > link assembly where it joins WD-1017.... > > John > > -------- > #40572 Phase One complete and flying. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354450#354450 > > > http://www.matronicp; via the Web > title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; > title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c = =============== > > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?RV10-Listh ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:32 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Prop ground clearance From: "johngoodman" Thanks for the response. The only practical way to change the strut would be making a slightly longer WD-1016. It's probably not a great idea. My only reluctance for going to a three blade prop is my understanding that it would require another Phase One fly off - right? John -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354501#354501 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Prop ground clearance From: Kelly McMullen In theory, yes. However, I believe for most ops limitations today that is an additional 5 hours, not 40 hours. On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 5:38 AM, johngoodman wrote: > > Thanks for the response. The only practical way to change the strut would be making a slightly longer WD-1016. It's probably not a great idea. > My only reluctance for going to a three blade prop is my understanding that it would require another Phase One fly off - right? > > John > > -------- > #40572 Phase One complete and flying. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354501#354501 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Prop ground clearance From: Michael Kraus Read your operation limitations. It should say in there, but typically a new prop requires only a 5 hour fly off. At least that is how mine is written. Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:38 AM, "johngoodman" wrote: > > Thanks for the response. The only practical way to change the strut would be making a slightly longer WD-1016. It's probably not a great idea. > My only reluctance for going to a three blade prop is my understanding that it would require another Phase One fly off - right? > > John > > -------- > #40572 Phase One complete and flying. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354501#354501 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:47 AM PST US From: Bill Gipson Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Prop ground clearance John=2C I was required to fly 5 hours only in my original Phase I area and document in maintenance log when I changed props. Bill Gipson > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Prop ground clearance > From: johngoodman@earthlink.net > Date: Mon=2C 10 Oct 2011 05:38:22 -0700 > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > > Thanks for the response. The only practical way to change the strut would be making a slightly longer WD-1016. It's probably not a great idea. > My only reluctance for going to a three blade prop is my understanding th at it would require another Phase One fly off - right? > > John > > -------- > #40572 Phase One complete and flying. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354501#354501 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:29 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Prop ground clearance From: "johngoodman" The big reason that another Phase One bothers me, is that insurance doesn't give full coverage in Phase One - we discovered that one when a guy had a fire the day before his inspection. Luckily he was under builder's risk and not Phase One. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354515#354515 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Prop ground clearance From: Marcus Cooper Probably worth asking the question, my experience is that most insurance companies won't cover for the first X number of hours, not specifically phase 1. Since you are past that they may still provide coverage, or possibly consider switching companies (or at least threaten to do so). Marcus do not archive On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:23 AM, johngoodman wrote: The big reason that another Phase One bothers me, is that insurance doesn't give full coverage in Phase One - we discovered that one when a guy had a fire the day before his inspection. Luckily he was under builder's risk and not Phase One. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354515#354515 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Prop ground clearance From: Michael Kraus I got my insurance through Tom Johnson at Air Power Insurance. He gave me 3-4 competitive quotes, some had full coverage including Phase I, some excluded Phase I. It was my choice as to my coverage...... Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Probably worth asking the question, my experience is that most insurance companies won't cover for the first X number of hours, not specifically phase 1. Since you are past that they may still provide coverage, or possibly consider switching companies (or at least threaten to do so). > > Marcus > > do not archive > On Oct 10, 2011, at 10:23 AM, johngoodman wrote: > > > The big reason that another Phase One bothers me, is that insurance doesn't give full coverage in Phase One - we discovered that one when a guy had a fire the day before his inspection. Luckily he was under builder's risk and not Phase One. > > John > > -------- > #40572 Phase One complete and flying. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354515#354515 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:16 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Ameri-King AK-450 vs ACK E-10 Remote Control Panel... Greetings Listers, I have an RV-6 with an ACK E-01 ELT unit and the small Remote Control Panel (RCP) unit. Last month, I completely replaced the instrument panel in the airplane and when I removed the ELT's RCP, I noticed that one of the mounting holes was broken off. I had another ELT on the shelf for another project and so I grabbed the RCP from it and designed a hole in the new instrument panel for it. The hole for this RCP was about twice the height of the hole for the RCP from the E-01 but appeared to be exactly the same as far as make and connector hole. Well, I didn't really put two and two together at the time but the E-01 is from ACK Technologies, and the RCP from the other unit is an Ameri-King AK-450. Except for the difference in vertical size the two RCP's look exactly the same and accept the same RJ-11 connector. Both have a Red and a Black button and a single Red LED. Both take a 3 volt battery. But here's the bummer, after I put everything back together this weekend, it turns out that the new RCP will NOT turn the E-01 on/off. If I plug the original E-01 RCP in to the same RJ-11 wire, it does turn the E-01 on/off, so the wiring and E-01 are fine. It just seems that the internal wiring of the two different RCP's is slightly different. The bigger bummer is that now I have a large hole in my panel for the RCP that doesn't work, so I have to figure something out. The original-sized RCP won't fit because its too small and the panel hole is too big. Can anyone lend any advice on the situation? Surely others have run into this before. Thanks! Matt Dralle - Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:04 AM PST US From: "Andrew Johnson" Subject: RV10-List: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchased at a local store? I've looked in places like West Marine, etc, with no luck. I'm wondering if there are any chain stores or a type of specialty store that would have weld-on, or another type of equally strong bonding agent. I hate having to purchase from Vans and then have it trucked the entire way across country. Thanks in advance. Andy Johnson ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:14 AM PST US From: Linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchased at a local store? Try a large sign shop. That's where I get mine. Linn On 10/10/2011 1:36 PM, Andrew Johnson wrote: > > > I've looked in places like West Marine, etc, with no luck. I'm > wondering if there are any chain stores or a type of specialty store > that would have weld-on, or another type of equally strong bonding > agent. I hate having to purchase from Vans and then have it trucked > the entire way across country. > > Thanks in advance. > > Andy Johnson > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchased at a local store? From: Michael Kraus I used Sika Flex, purchased from Jamestown Distributers. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "Andrew Johnson" wrote: > > I've looked in places like West Marine, etc, with no luck. I'm wondering if there are any chain stores or a type of specialty store that would have weld-on, or another type of equally strong bonding agent. I hate having to purchase from Vans and then have it trucked the entire way across country. > > Thanks in advance. > > Andy Johnson > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:50:41 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchas From: "rv10flyer" http://www.theengineerguy.com/ This is where I puchased Weld-On 45 for transparencies. Great product and customer service. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354562#354562 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purchased at a local store? From: John Cox Ask Tap Plastics if they could consider stocking it. John 40600 On Oct 10, 2011 10:42 AM, "Andrew Johnson" wrote: > > I've looked in places like West Marine, etc, with no luck. I'm wondering > if there are any chain stores or a type of specialty store that would have > weld-on, or another type of equally strong bonding agent. I hate having to > purchase from Vans and then have it trucked the entire way across country. > > Thanks in advance. > > Andy Johnson > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:31 PM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Panel Audio/Data Diagrams Hi Michael, Here' a similar block diagram to yours. This is after a few changes so it could probably be a little cleaner, but everything's working and stable. We used to have a 496, which has some hidden options for audio output than the 696 lacks. If you're interested, look up my post on AeroElectric from 11/6/07. That took a while to figure out. For the last few panels we've built, we run all the serial wires into a single CPC connector, then use the mating connector to make the interconnects. You end up with a connector on one side that's a "key". Then if you make changes or additions in the future, you can just take the key to the bench and jumper around in the mating connector to feed whatever's needed. I really wish I had that on my plane. It would have made adding the ADS600B a lot easier. The problem is finding a connector with enough pins! Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:04 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > Being a big fan of peer reviewed eye charts I thought I would throw my > data/audio diagrams for my panel out to the group and see if anyone had a ny > comments or thoughts on it. =C2-=C2-The first page just shows who is talking to > who, the following pages are just a device view, and then there are two > block diagrams near the end that show the connections between all the > devices. > > > Michael ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:20 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ameri-King AK-450 vs ACK E-10 Remote Control Panel... From: "Bob Turner" My only suggestion would be to put an ohmmeter on each terminal of each remote unit and see if you can discern the functions as you push the buttons. If it's something as simple as "wire 1 on unit A does the same thing as wire 2 on unit B, etc" then you can cut and splice the cable to send wire 1's signal down wire 2, etc. A more deluxe solution would be a small remote box with 2 RJ connectors on it, with the wiring cross-overs done internally. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354579#354579 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:39 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue I've been talking with Dick Carmichael at Plane Power about an alignment issue on my RV-10 between the pulley on the Plane Power 60a alternator and the pulley that came with my IO-540-D4A5, which were both purchased through Van's. I've attached a photo for review. In the photo, I've also placed a square against the back of the Lycoming pulley. As you can plainly see the alternator belt is out of alignment. In talking with Dick, he stated that this is due to the dual belted pulley that came with my engine. He further stated that he couldn't guarantee that the belt would stay on and it clearly would have a shortened life due to the misalignment. Since there are no user adjustments for this alignment with the Boss mount, I'm being told by Plane Power to use a single belt pulley on the engine. Is this the standard pulley for an IO-540-D4A5? Plane Power is giving me the indication that this is not the case. Is there the possibility that the incorrect part was substituted by Lycoming? Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, what did you do? Thanks, bob ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:57 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue From: "Bob Turner" I have the YIO-540D4A5 (no certification paperwork) bought thru Vans, and it came with a single belt pulley. I have found Williamsport to be very accomodating; my engine came with a light weight starter and I requested it be changed to the heavier unit (per the starter company's recommendation) and Lycoming immediately sent one to me. I'd ask them for the correct pulley. Bob -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354585#354585 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:12 PM PST US From: "Deems Davis" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue Bob, Why do you have a dual belt prop pulley? The standard pulley is a single belt. The only reason I'm aware of for having a dual belt is to accommodate an A/C compressor. For those installations w/ A/C they have been relocating the alternator to the other side of the engine and placing the compressor where the old alternator was? Deems From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue I've been talking with Dick Carmichael at Plane Power about an alignment issue on my RV-10 between the pulley on the Plane Power 60a alternator and the pulley that came with my IO-540-D4A5, which were both purchased through Van's. I've attached a photo for review. In the photo, I've also placed a square against the back of the Lycoming pulley. As you can plainly see the alternator belt is out of alignment. In talking with Dick, he stated that this is due to the dual belted pulley that came with my engine. He further stated that he couldn't guarantee that the belt would stay on and it clearly would have a shortened life due to the misalignment. Since there are no user adjustments for this alignment with the Boss mount, I'm being told by Plane Power to use a single belt pulley on the engine. Is this the standard pulley for an IO-540-D4A5? Plane Power is giving me the indication that this is not the case. Is there the possibility that the incorrect part was substituted by Lycoming? Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, what did you do? Thanks, bob ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:40 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue That's what Lycoming shipped when I ordered the engine through Van's. It wasn't an option that I chose. Gus at Van's stated that is what Lycoming now ships on the YIO-540-D4A5. However, I know of at least two other folks that got the single pulley. Gus stated that Lycoming would swap it out for me. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:40 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue Bob, Why do you have a dual belt prop pulley? The standard pulley is a single belt. The only reason I'm aware of for having a dual belt is to accommodate an A/C compressor. For those installations w/ A/C they have been relocating the alternator to the other side of the engine and placing the compressor where the old alternator was? Deems From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue I've been talking with Dick Carmichael at Plane Power about an alignment issue on my RV-10 between the pulley on the Plane Power 60a alternator and the pulley that came with my IO-540-D4A5, which were both purchased through Van's. I've attached a photo for review. In the photo, I've also placed a square against the back of the Lycoming pulley. As you can plainly see the alternator belt is out of alignment. In talking with Dick, he stated that this is due to the dual belted pulley that came with my engine. He further stated that he couldn't guarantee that the belt would stay on and it clearly would have a shortened life due to the misalignment. Since there are no user adjustments for this alignment with the Boss mount, I'm being told by Plane Power to use a single belt pulley on the engine. Is this the standard pulley for an IO-540-D4A5? Plane Power is giving me the indication that this is not the case. Is there the possibility that the incorrect part was substituted by Lycoming? Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, what did you do? Thanks, bob ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:29 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ameri-King AK-450 vs ACK E-10 Remote Control Panel... I just got an email back from ACK Tech and they said: "To use the Ameriking remote you must cut one end off the cable and turn it 180 degrees. - Mike Akatiff, ACK Technologies" Simple enough! Yahoo! Matt Dralle At 09:53 AM 10/10/2011 Monday, you wrote: > > >Greetings Listers, > >I have an RV-6 with an ACK E-01 ELT unit and the small Remote Control Panel (RCP) unit. Last month, I completely replaced the instrument panel in the airplane and when I removed the ELT's RCP, I noticed that one of the mounting holes was broken off. > >I had another ELT on the shelf for another project and so I grabbed the RCP from it and designed a hole in the new instrument panel for it. The hole for this RCP was about twice the height of the hole for the RCP from the E-01 but appeared to be exactly the same as far as make and connector hole. > >Well, I didn't really put two and two together at the time but the E-01 is from ACK Technologies, and the RCP from the other unit is an Ameri-King AK-450. Except for the difference in vertical size the two RCP's look exactly the same and accept the same RJ-11 connector. Both have a Red and a Black button and a single Red LED. Both take a 3 volt battery. > >But here's the bummer, after I put everything back together this weekend, it turns out that the new RCP will NOT turn the E-01 on/off. If I plug the original E-01 RCP in to the same RJ-11 wire, it does turn the E-01 on/off, so the wiring and E-01 are fine. It just seems that the internal wiring of the two different RCP's is slightly different. > >The bigger bummer is that now I have a large hole in my panel for the RCP that doesn't work, so I have to figure something out. The original-sized RCP won't fit because its too small and the panel hole is too big. > >Can anyone lend any advice on the situation? Surely others have run into this before. > >Thanks! > >Matt Dralle - Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen" http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap... ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:01 PM PST US From: "Deems Davis" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue Did you get a parts/o-haul manual with your engine? I'll bet it doesn't list a dual belt as standard. Go for the exchange. It's disappointing to hear Van's give crappy advice/info. Deems You might want to see what a single pulley flywheel goes for, and sell the dual pulley, When I ws considering A/C and looking for a dual pulley, it was going to cost me $1200. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue That's what Lycoming shipped when I ordered the engine through Van's. It wasn't an option that I chose. Gus at Van's stated that is what Lycoming now ships on the YIO-540-D4A5. However, I know of at least two other folks that got the single pulley. Gus stated that Lycoming would swap it out for me. bob From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:40 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue Bob, Why do you have a dual belt prop pulley? The standard pulley is a single belt. The only reason I'm aware of for having a dual belt is to accommodate an A/C compressor. For those installations w/ A/C they have been relocating the alternator to the other side of the engine and placing the compressor where the old alternator was? Deems From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:37 PM Subject: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue I've been talking with Dick Carmichael at Plane Power about an alignment issue on my RV-10 between the pulley on the Plane Power 60a alternator and the pulley that came with my IO-540-D4A5, which were both purchased through Van's. I've attached a photo for review. In the photo, I've also placed a square against the back of the Lycoming pulley. As you can plainly see the alternator belt is out of alignment. In talking with Dick, he stated that this is due to the dual belted pulley that came with my engine. He further stated that he couldn't guarantee that the belt would stay on and it clearly would have a shortened life due to the misalignment. Since there are no user adjustments for this alignment with the Boss mount, I'm being told by Plane Power to use a single belt pulley on the engine. Is this the standard pulley for an IO-540-D4A5? Plane Power is giving me the indication that this is not the case. Is there the possibility that the incorrect part was substituted by Lycoming? Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, what did you do? Thanks, bob http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue From: Jesse Saint That definitely is not right. I've never seen that problem before. Could the alternator bracket is really to only variable that I can think of. Can you g et some measurements off that and have people on the list compare? As Deems said, I have only seen the dual belt pulley used w A/C, although in the most recent installation I have seen the compressor was on the left sid e and the alternator stayed on the right. That was an RDD installation of th e Flightline A/C system. I think somehow your alternator bracket is wrong. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:36 PM, "Bob Leffler" wrote: > I=99ve been talking with Dick Carmichael at Plane Power about an ali gnment issue on my RV-10 between the pulley on the Plane Power 60a alternato r and the pulley that came with my IO-540-D4A5, which were both purchased th rough Van=99s. I=99ve attached a photo for review. In the phot o, I=99ve also placed a square against the back of the Lycoming pulley .. > > > > As you can plainly see the alternator belt is out of alignment. In talkin g with Dick, he stated that this is due to the dual belted pulley that came w ith my engine. He further stated that he couldn=99t guarantee that th e belt would stay on and it clearly would have a shortened life due to the m isalignment. > > > > Since there are no user adjustments for this alignment with the Boss mount , I=99m being told by Plane Power to use a single belt pulley on the e ngine. > > > > Is this the standard pulley for an IO-540-D4A5? Plane Power is giving me the indication that this is not the case. Is there the possibility that th e incorrect part was substituted by Lycoming? > > > > Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, what did you do? > > > > Thanks, > > > > bob > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:59 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: RV10-List: Off-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue I'll trade you a single pulley ring gear for the double pulley one if you want. I'll ship ahead to verify that it will fit, but I'd be happy to trade. As Deems said, it's not a cheap thing to buy, so working out a swap would be much better in the long run. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > That=92s what Lycoming shipped when I ordered the engine through Van=92s. It wasn=92t an option that I chose. > > Gus at Van=92s stated that is what Lycoming now ships on the YIO-540-D4A5. However, I know of at least two other folks that got the single pulley. Gus stated that Lycoming would swap it out for me. > > bob > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:40 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue > > Bob, Why do you have a dual belt prop pulley? The standard pulley is a single belt. The only reason I=92m aware of for having a dual belt is to accommodate an A/C compressor. For those installations w/ A/C they have been relocating the alternator to the other side of the engine and placing the compressor where the old alternator was? > > Deems > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:37 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue > > I=92ve been talking with Dick Carmichael at Plane Power about an alignment issue on my RV-10 between the pulley on the Plane Power 60a alternator and the pulley that came with my IO-540-D4A5, which were both purchased through Van=92s. I=92ve attached a photo for review. In the photo, I=92ve also placed a square against the back of the Lycoming pulley. > > As you can plainly see the alternator belt is out of alignment. In talking with Dick, he stated that this is due to the dual belted pulley that came with my engine. He further stated that he couldn=92t guarantee that the belt would stay on and it clearly would have a shortened life due to the misalignment. > > Since there are no user adjustments for this alignment with the Boss mount, I=92m being told by Plane Power to use a single belt pulley on the engine. > > Is this the standard pulley for an IO-540-D4A5? Plane Power is giving me the indication that this is not the case. Is there the possibility that the incorrect part was substituted by Lycoming? > > Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, what did you do? > > Thanks, > > bob > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:41 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue From: "rv10flyer" This change of std pulley shipment started fall 2010 or before. I have the same dual groove/pp setup as Bob. Not only are the pulleys out of alignment fore-aft, PP's bracket has the pulley/flywheel not in the same plane. Very unacceptable engineering and lack of communication between Vans/Lyc/PP. -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Baffles then fuel/oil/exhaust. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354610#354610 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:18 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: 2 IO-540-C4B5 engines for sale From: "b432291" I currently have O-360 engine parts at Chuck Ney's shop in Tulsa for assembly into a full engine for the RV-7A I am building. Because I wanted to see the shop for myself I visited Chuck and was impressed with his shop and his aircraft engine knowledge. Because Chuck is less knowledgeable about computers than engines, he asked me to "list" 2 IO-540 engines he has for sale. Both engines are out of a Piper Aztec. Engine #1 has been freshly overhauled by Chuck and has his Signature Modifications, 6 "Straight Bore" Investment Cast Millennium Cylinders (500 hours TT before Reconditioned/Straight Bored) and Ney Nozzles for Camshaft Lubrication. This engine has a replaced crankcase, as the original was cracked. Ignition is new mags. All other accessories have 500 hours since last rebuild. You get prop-governor, alternator, fuel injector system, lightweight starter, & vacuum pump. Note that Chuck does not recommend mineral oil for Straight Bore break-in and believes this motor will gain 15 HP from the Straight Bore cylinders. Chuck is asking $36,000 for this engine. Engine #2 is in a as-removed condition from the Aztec. All parts are 500 hours since overhaul. Chuck has not inspected, overhauled, or modified anything on this engine. It comes with the same accessory list as Engine #1. Chuck is asking $15,000 for this engine. Please contact Chuck Ney Enterprises about either of these engines: Chuck Ney Chuck Ney Enterprises Inc. 9410 East 46th Street North Tulsa, Ok. 74117 918-836-5323 Work 918-625-3193 Cell 918-836-4627 Fax Ted Saylor Vans RV-7A under construction Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354618#354618 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue From: Jim Combs Wayne Gillespie also has the same issue. Vans or Lycoming had better get the word out they have a serious field problem about to show up! Wonder ho w many are out there and no one has spotted the issue. How many are flying o r about to? Wayne invited several RV-builders to pre-inspect his build prior to DAR inspection. We found the same issue on his engine. He is going to correct it prior to flight. Machine new spacers to relocate the alternator slightl y aft. But is a problem that must be solved prior to flight. Jim Combs N312F - 300+ hours Do Not Archive On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > I=92ve been talking with Dick Carmichael at Plane Power about an alignmen t > issue on my RV-10 between the pulley on the Plane Power 60a alternator an d > the pulley that came with my IO-540-D4A5, which were both purchased throu gh > Van=92s. I=92ve attached a photo for review. In the photo, I=92ve also placed a > square against the back of the Lycoming pulley.**** > > ** ** > > As you can plainly see the alternator belt is out of alignment. In talki ng > with Dick, he stated that this is due to the dual belted pulley that came > with my engine. He further stated that he couldn=92t guarantee that the belt > would stay on and it clearly would have a shortened life due to the > misalignment.**** > > ** ** > > Since there are no user adjustments for this alignment with the Boss moun t, > I=92m being told by Plane Power to use a single belt pulley on the engine .** > ** > > ** ** > > Is this the standard pulley for an IO-540-D4A5? Plane Power is giving m e > the indication that this is not the case. Is there the possibility that the > incorrect part was substituted by Lycoming?**** > > ** ** > > Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, what did you do?**** > > ** ** > > Thanks,**** > > ** ** > > bob**** > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:43 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue From: "greghale" I have the dual flywheel pulley on my rv10 because I have air conditioning. The Plane Power pulley was way off when I first installed it. I had to make a different spacer and mount the alternator on the back side of the bracket to get the belt in alignment. If you are interested in pictures, let me know. I will have my cowling off next week. The alternator is mounted on the right side of the engine (per Vans) and the compressor is mounted on the left side. Greg... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354625#354625 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:48 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Can Weld-on or any other plexiglass bonding agent be purcha From: "greghale" I used Sikaflex when I replaced my windshield. 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