Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 05:35 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/21/11 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
2. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Panel Choice (Rene)
3. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: Panel Choice (Jim Combs)
4. 02:13 PM - Re: Panel Choice (nukeflyboy)
5. 02:13 PM - Re: Re: Panel Choice (Tim Olson)
6. 03:01 PM - Re: Panel Choice (Bob Turner)
7. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Panel Choice (Kelly McMullen)
8. 03:45 PM - Re: Panel Choice (Bob Turner)
9. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Panel Choice (Seano)
10. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Panel Choice (Kelly McMullen)
11. 04:18 PM - Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue (rleffler)
12. 04:27 PM - Re: Re: Panel Choice (Dave Saylor)
13. 07:28 PM - Re: Panel Choice (nukeflyboy)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: RV10-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/21/11 |
RTFM
Sent from my iPad2
Do not archive
On Oct 22, 2011, at 8:57 PM, "Eli Stefansky" <eli@prime-quest.com> wrote:
>
> please remove
>
> Sent from my Droid Charge on Verizon 4GLTE
>
>
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
I have the GRT system and have not flown behind other systems....but want to
give my opinion, take it for what it is worth. :)
I have not updated my GRT system to the HX screens and thus do not have
synthetic Vision, but I do have one HS screen and one WS screen. I have a
separate trutrak autopilot.
I really like what I have.....here are the biggest pro's
The autopilot is separate from the EFIS and can fly the plane without any
external input. This was one of my original requirements and it performs
great. Take off...turn on course and establish climb rate.....turn on
autopilot and it is good to go. Easy to change track and rate of
climb....great backup. It has a great interface with the GRT system and I
have a switch that allows the autopilot to be commanded by the EFIS or 430.
GRT system is easy to use and fully integrated with the EIS. Both screens
provide all functions.
Data are free............
Customer support is great........
Synthetic approach is great along with HITS....
Extended runway centerlines...
Airport information is good......but I really use Wing X for all of that.
But when you need it, it is great to be there. I was on a local flight on
Friday and decided to fly up in the mountains (it is what he kids wanted to
do) and could not remember the a frequency and instead of pulling my paper
chart out (I do carry a paper chart for the local area....but not for
outside the local area, I use Wing X) I just hit a couple of buttons and got
the frequency. Also, if I look the Freq up on the GRT, I can push it to my
SL30.
Rene'
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Strasnuts
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Panel Choice
Size of the G3X screens was a big concern of mine before and when I got
them. They are great when actually using them. They are only two feet away
and probably have the same font size as the competition. I have flown behind
Cheltons, GRT, AFS, G1000, SPZ5000, Primus 1000, Proline21, and the
DA900EASy. I think Garmin has all you need in these boxes plus some. I
like mine more than any of the others but again it's mine. The landscape is
more broad in some of the others with synthetic vision, but the same info is
there. As far as databases....well I spend 1300 per year on the Garmin
bundle and the XM so that could be a lot better. Hopefully that will come
down. I see they have a special with the 750 but that doesn't help me with
my 430w.
I think ease of use with the GTN 750 is the gain in capability.
--------
40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355783#355783
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
WOW! spending $1300 a year just for Database updates is a reason to NOT go
with Garmin. I think you need to consider not just the initial cost but
also the cost of ownership. Heck for that kind of money I could replace my
EFIS units in the panel every 5 years or so. Keeps you up to date with
technology too!
Just food for thought.
Jim Combs
N312F - Flying dual AFS EFIS.
Do Not archive
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
Garmin update costs were a concern to me too initially but don't miss my point
(in my lengthy note!) that with the 650/750 the update costs are the same as for
everyone else. It comes with the IFR subscription, no extra charge for the
map. If you have a 430/530/650/750 and you fly IFR then you pay a subscription
cost for the database. With the G3X and 650/750 you get the map update free
from Jepp. With GRT/AFS you get the map updates from GRT/AFS no charge, when
they decide to send an update.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - Working G3X panel
Rest almost done
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355808#355808
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
Ok, but do apples to apples.
First, if you just use the GRT/AFS database, I'm not 100% positive but
I'm doubtful you'll get actual JEPP data, and if not, or perhaps even
if, you won't be getting Jepp APPROACHES with your data. Then your
system really doesn't have that same level of IFR capabilities. You're
relegated to using approach plates and flying the approaches using
other references to get to your various waypoints.
So you want to make it more apples to apples, which means you have to
factor in the cost of your garmin updates for the IFR device (430W
or similar) that you connect to your AFS/GRT system....well, those are
gonna cost you a few hundred dollars a year.
Certainly there's still a delta in cost between doing that and going
all out with the $1300/yr package, but you get far more data
components for that cost than you get with just updating a 430W.
So it's all relative. In the end, IFR is a pay to play activity.
For most people, it is NOT worth the added cost to be 100% equipped
and ready for an IFR flight across the US...it's far too much money
for additional biannual tests, data subscriptions, and things of
that nature. But people don't do it to save money, they do it to
be able to reach a destination despite some weather in the way.
To NOT cancel that trip just due to some low ceilings and miserable
weather down low. Or, just because it's a super fun challenge.
In the end, after flying in Sean's plane with a G3X, I came to
the conclusion that for the money, you can't beat that system
these days, and personally I'd even choose it over a G900 panel,
since you can do 3 screens across. It's a perfect fit for
the RV-10. If he wants to save some data costs, he can drop some
of the subscriptions for various components....some of what he
subscribes to could be done on an iPad for less money. Either way,
I think his panel is far more IFR ready than going with some of
the other experimental EFIS systems.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
On 10/23/2011 2:42 PM, Jim Combs wrote:
> WOW! spending $1300 a year just for Database updates is a reason to NOT
> go with Garmin. I think you need to consider not just the initial cost
> but also the cost of ownership. Heck for that kind of money I could
> replace my EFIS units in the panel every 5 years or so. Keeps you up to
> date with technology too!
>
> Just food for thought.
>
> Jim Combs
> N312F - Flying dual AFS EFIS.
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
Just to add on to "apples to apples..."
Don't forget the quoted $1300 includes xm weather (up to $600/yr depending on subscription).
I don't think anyone else was including that cost in their discussion.
OTOH: Is anyone NOT doing biennial pitot/static/transponder inspections, as I
thought Tim was implying? To not do so would restrict you to below 10,000', 30
nm away from all Class B, and no Class C, areas.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355811#355811
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
Why would that cost enter into the decisions? Whether you fly with
steam gauges and a KX170B or equiv, you would need static system and
transponder checked. (pitot only gets hooked up to protect the
airspeed bellows, there is not testing required of it). If one
chooses a VFR certification, cost can be under $100.
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
> OTOH: Is anyone NOT doing biennial pitot/static/transponder inspections, as I
thought Tim was implying? To not do so would restrict you to below 10,000', 30
nm away from all Class B, and no Class C, areas.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355811#355811
>
>
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
Kelly,
Actually, if you fly only VFR, there is no requirement for a pitot-static or transponder
inspection. Of course, you may not use the transponder, which means
no Class B or C, not above 10,000', etc. Which is why I thought maybe I misunderstood
Tim's post. Did he mean biannual (which is what he wrote) meaning instrument
currency every 6 months? Tim?
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355817#355817
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
I actually was adding 700$ that I believe was the cost for the XM package I purchased.
600$ is the g3x bundle.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 23, 2011, at 17:57, "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
> Just to add on to "apples to apples..."
>
> Don't forget the quoted $1300 includes xm weather (up to $600/yr depending on
subscription). I don't think anyone else was including that cost in their discussion.
>
> OTOH: Is anyone NOT doing biennial pitot/static/transponder inspections, as
I thought Tim was implying? To not do so would restrict you to below 10,000',
30 nm away from all Class B, and no Class C, areas.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355811#355811
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
There is if you base like I do under a Mode C veil. I'm well familiar
with the rules.
Anyone know if there is any potential for damage to solid state
pressure sensors used for airspeed in EFIS systems like a mechanical
airspeed can be damaged if you take pressure up to high altitude while
leaving pitot pressure at surface?
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
> Kelly,
>
> Actually, if you fly only VFR, there is no requirement for a pitot-static or
transponder inspection. Of course, you may not use the transponder, which means
no Class B or C, not above 10,000', etc. Which is why I thought maybe I misunderstood
Tim's post. Did he mean biannual (which is what he wrote) meaning instrument
currency every 6 months? Tim?
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355817#355817
>
>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Plane Power and Lycoming Pulley Alignment Issue |
Here's the post that everyone has been waiting to see.
I installed the new spacers from Plane Power this afternoon. They are a perfect
fit for those that purchased a YIO-540-D4A5 from Vans and have a LW-12227 ring
gear.
If you fall into this category, I would highly recommend that you call Vans and
demand that they supply you the appropriate Plane Power spacers for free.
They made the decision to switch ring gears and they packaged the Plane Power 60a
alternator in the firewall forward package, which out performing the necessary
engineering to ensure power integration.
I will say that the folks at Plane Power have been great to work with to find the
appropriate solution. Lycoming was also cooperative in supplying Plane Power
the appropriate data to allow Plane Power to fabricate new spacers.
Also note that if you have a 70a alternator, you'll need a different set of spacers.
I worked with Jason and Dick at Plane Power, Marlous at Lycoming (Van's sales rep),
and Gus at Vans. Jason and Dick provided outstanding customer support.
My last email to Gus recommended that Vans supply all customers that purchased
this combination with the spacers at no charge and issue a service bulletin to
ensure nobody attempts to fly in this configuration since it isn't safe.
bob
--------
Bob Leffler
N410BL - FWF
RV-10 #40684
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355824#355824
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
Kelly,
The EFIS pressure sensors seem to be immune to rapid changes. The guy who
does our checks does nothing but static checks--not even repairs, just
checks. He says the new stuff can go as fast as the pressure will change.
I've seen him slam EFIS around in a way that would bust a mechanical
instrument in a heartbeat and it just keeps working, mine included. The
hardest part now is disconnecting the mechanical airspeed!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is if you base like I do under a Mode C veil. I'm well familiar
> with the rules.
> Anyone know if there is any potential for damage to solid state
> pressure sensors used for airspeed in EFIS systems like a mechanical
> airspeed can be damaged if you take pressure up to high altitude while
> leaving pitot pressure at surface?
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > Kelly,
> >
> > Actually, if you fly only VFR, there is no requirement for a pitot-static
> or transponder inspection. Of course, you may not use the transponder, which
> means no Class B or C, not above 10,000', etc. Which is why I thought maybe
> I misunderstood Tim's post. Did he mean biannual (which is what he wrote)
> meaning instrument currency every 6 months? Tim?
> >
> > --------
> > Bob Turner
> > RV-10 QB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355817#355817
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Panel Choice |
There are two different databases which seem to cause confusion. The one required
to fly legal IFR is for the 430/530/650/750 or whatever certified navigator
you are using. If you fly IFR you can't get around this cost, even for paper.
The other one is just for the backdrop on the moving map in the EFIS. Updates
are free from GRT/AFS. With a G650/750 IFR subscription the EFIS moving map
updates are free for the G3X. If you have a 430/530 then you pay an additional
subscription to update the EFIS.
I do not know the frequency of updates for the moving map in a GRT/AFS system.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - Working G3X panel
Rest almost done
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355838#355838
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|