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0. 06:49 AM - PLEASE READ - 2011 List Fund Raiser Kickoff - 21 Years Strong!! (Matt Dralle)
1. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: N968TP (DLM)
2. 10:54 AM - Re: N968TP (Phillip Perry)
3. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: N968TP (Robin Marks)
4. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (Rob Kochman)
5. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (Tim Olson)
6. 01:34 PM - Re: N968TP (Bob Turner)
7. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (Geoff Combs)
8. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (David Leikam)
9. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (Bob Leffler)
10. 01:41 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (John Cumins)
11. 02:07 PM - Re: N968TP (Bob Turner)
12. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (Linn Walters)
13. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (John Cumins)
14. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (Danny Riggs)
15. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (Alan Mekler)
16. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (DLM)
17. 04:51 PM - Re: N968TP (Bob Turner)
18. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: N968TP (DLM)
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| Subject: | PLEASE READ - 2011 List Fund Raiser Kickoff - 21 Years Strong!! |
Dear Listers,
This year marks 21 years of the Email Lists and Forums at Matronics! I've been
running these forums for nearly half my life! I've made some great friends over
the years and had countless email and personal conversations with builders
about aircraft building and flying. What a great community of people! The advice,
support, and friendship has be invaluable over the years.
To support the continued operation and upgrade of the List servers, each November
I hold a PBS-like fund raiser. It is solely through the Contributions of List
members that these Matronics Lists are possible. There is NO advertising
to support the Lists. You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing
banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web
site pages including:
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You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a List experience
that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - airplanes!
During the month of November, I will be sending out List messages every couple
of days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular
messages. The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these Lists. Your personal Contribution
counts!
Once again, this year we've got another terrific line up of free gifts to go along
with the various Contribution levels. Many of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists
and they have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include:
* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection http://www.aeroelectric.com
* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore http://www.buildersbooks.com
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, and Andy for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
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you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
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I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-8 Builder (and Rebuilder) and Flyer
RV-6 Rebuilder and Flyer
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http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/articles/2011/11/02/news/doc4eb00f9f0f36
c342285798.txt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
I see it was certified on 4/2011 low serial number 40031. I found nothing
too.
----- Original Message -----
From: <dmaib@me.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:17 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
>
> Can't seem to find any news reports about this. Strange.
>
> do not archive
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> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356431#356431
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>
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Sounds like fuel exhaustion.....
"The plane, out of Hilliard, was reportedly returning from Waycross when it
ran out of fuel, clipped some trees and flipped into a hay field near the
edge of Folkston."
http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/articles/2011/11/02/news/doc4eb00f9f0f36c342285798.txt
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:50 AM, DLM <dlm34077@q.com> wrote:
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> Anyone know about this?****
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> Report created 10/31/2011 Record 6 ******
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> IDENTIFICATION****
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> Regis#: 968TP Make/Model: EXP Description: VANS RV10****
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> Date: 10/30/2011 Time: 1514****
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> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N****
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> Damage: Unknown****
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> LOCATION****
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> City: FOLKSTON State: GA Country: US****
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> DESCRIPTION****
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> AIRCRAFT CRASHED IN A FIELD NEAR ****FOLKSTON**, **GA********
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> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0****
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> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 1 Unk:
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> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
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> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
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> OTHER DATA****
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> Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: OTHER****
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> FAA FSDO: ****COLLEGE PARK**, **GA**** (SO11) Entry date: 10/31/2011
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So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com> wrote:
> *Light plane crashes in Folkston field*
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> Published:****
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> Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT****
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> Some Charlton County cows got a surprise on Sunday morning when a small
> plane crashed into a field they were grazing.
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> The plane, out of Hilliard, was reportedly returning from Waycross when i
t
> ran out of fuel, clipped some trees and flipped into a hay field near the
> edge of Folkston.
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> The pilot was able to make his way out of the crushed aircraft and then
> walk nearly half-a-mile to Hwy. 121 where he was picked up by a passing
> motorist and transported to Charlton Memorial Hospital where he was treat
ed.
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> Charlton County Sheriff Dobie Conner said the incident was reported to hi
s
> department around 1 p.m. on Sunday, but the actual crash occurred earlier
> in the morning. The pilot was the lone occupant of the plane and no one o
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> the ground =EF=BD=EF=BD=9D not even a cow =EF=BD=EF=BD
=9D was injured.****
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> The FAA was called in to investigate the incident.****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
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> http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/articles/2011/11/02/news/doc4eb00f9f0
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> c342285798.txt ****
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> -----Original Message-----****
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> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com****
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> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Seano****
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> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:01 AM****
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> To: rv10-list@matronics.com****
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> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: N968TP****
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> I see it was certified on 4/2011 low serial number 40031. I found nothin
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> ----- Original Message -----****
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> From: <dmaib@me.com>****
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> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>****
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> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:17 AM****
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> Subject: RV10-List: Re: N968TP****
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Rob Kochman
RV-10 Flying since March 2011
Woodinville, WA
http://kochman.net/N819K
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I think it's more than that...
We've had:
The Dan Lloyd Incident
The IFR incident
The possibly Medical incident
The inflight fire
The post-landing fire
The out-of-gas (this one)
... and I'm not positive if the others were hull losses but I know there
were at least a couple others, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked
in (not sure if they got it flying again?), and another one that was
a botched landing that punched the gear up through. Off the top of my
head I can't remember if that's it or not. At least I *think* the
hull losses are less than you can count on 2 hands.
Tim
On 11/1/2011 3:02 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?
>
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> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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More than that. By my count:
3 fatals: auto engine failure/botched corn field landing
improper IMC
Probable in flight heart attack
non-fatal: auto engine/fire on the ground
in flight fire-fuel connection loose- may not be total loss
crash in OH 28 Sept 2011 cause unknown
this one.
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Tim is correct with the accidents. I think it is 6 total losses so far.
Geoff Combs
614-834-5227p
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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
I think it's more than that...
We've had:
The Dan Lloyd Incident
The IFR incident
The possibly Medical incident
The inflight fire
The post-landing fire
The out-of-gas (this one)
... and I'm not positive if the others were hull losses but I know there
were at least a couple others, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked in
(not sure if they got it flying again?), and another one that was a botched
landing that punched the gear up through. Off the top of my head I can't
remember if that's it or not. At least I *think* the hull losses are less
than you can count on 2 hands.
Tim
On 11/1/2011 3:02 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
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What about the one just before this one with the guy from Texas taking delivery?
Did we ever find out what the cause was on that one?
Dave Leikam
do not archive
On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I think it's more than that...
>
> We've had:
> The Dan Lloyd Incident
> The IFR incident
> The possibly Medical incident
> The inflight fire
> The post-landing fire
> The out-of-gas (this one)
>
> ... and I'm not positive if the others were hull losses but I know there
> were at least a couple others, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked
> in (not sure if they got it flying again?), and another one that was
> a botched landing that punched the gear up through. Off the top of my
> head I can't remember if that's it or not. At least I *think* the
> hull losses are less than you can count on 2 hands.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On 11/1/2011 3:02 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>> So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
>>
>
>
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, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked in (not sure if they got it flying again?)
It was repaired and flew into OSH 2 years ago.
bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
I think it's more than that...
We've had:
The Dan Lloyd Incident
The IFR incident
The possibly Medical incident
The inflight fire
The post-landing fire
The out-of-gas (this one)
... and I'm not positive if the others were hull losses but I know there were at
least a couple others, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked in (not sure
if they got it flying again?), and another one that was a botched landing that
punched the gear up through. Off the top of my head I can't remember if that's
it or not. At least I *think* the hull losses are less than you can count
on 2 hands.
Tim
On 11/1/2011 3:02 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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Yes, the bad part it could have been avoided completely. There is no
excuse for running out of gas when flying over the US. There is a
airport just about every 50 miles.
This is a total shame and just drives everyones insurance rate higher,
due to bad decisions.
John Cumins
40864, wing top skins moving forward.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kochman
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks <robin@painttheweb.com>
wrote:
Light plane crashes in Folkston field
Published:
Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT
Some Charlton County cows got a surprise on Sunday morning when a small
plane crashed into a field they were grazing.
The plane, out of Hilliard, was reportedly returning from Waycross when
it ran out of fuel, clipped some trees and flipped into a hay field near
the edge of Folkston.
The pilot was able to make his way out of the crushed aircraft and then
walk nearly half-a-mile to Hwy. 121 where he was picked up by a passing
motorist and transported to Charlton Memorial Hospital where he was
treated.
Charlton County Sheriff Dobie Conner said the incident was reported to
his department around 1 p.m. on Sunday, but the actual crash occurred
earlier in the morning. The pilot was the lone occupant of the plane and
no one on the ground =EF=BD=EF=BD=9D not even a cow
=EF=BD=EF=BD=9D was injured.
The FAA was called in to investigate the incident.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:44 AM
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<http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/articles/2011/11/02/news/doc4eb00f9f
0f36>
http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/articles/2011/11/02/news/doc4eb00f9f0
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I see it was certified on 4/2011 low serial number 40031. I found
nothing too.
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"What about the one just before this one with the guy from Texas taking delivery?
Did we ever find out what the cause was on that one?"
This was the Ohio crash. Per VAF the pilots are now both out of the hospital although
the builder was seriously burned. The builder has posted on VAF his condition
but has not said anything about the cause. Curiously, it also is not listed
on the NTSB web site yet.
As to running out of gas, this certainly is very poor judgement. Although, until
the facts are in, we don't know. Maybe there was a serious undetected fuel leak.
I will say, though, that some pilots are type A personalities. The owner
of this latest accident aircraft has previously posted on VAF about his (illegal)
experimentation with car gas in a certified airplane.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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On 11/1/2011 4:32 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner"<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>
> More than that. By my count:
>
> 3 fatals: auto engine failure/botched corn field landing
> improper IMC
> Probable in flight heart attack
>
> non-fatal: auto engine/fire on the ground
> in flight fire-fuel connection loose- may not be total loss
This one may be being rebuilt in Melbourne, FL.
Linn
> crash in OH 28 Sept 2011 cause unknown
> this one.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
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> Read this topic online here:
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Man people are stupid. Auto fuel in a certified plane, yes there are stc's
for them, but not many really do not work out well. I have helped recover
many a plane in Alaska out in the bush due to auto fuel for one reason or
another. And when auto fuel burns it is very hard to see the flame when it
is small and it's flash point is so much lower than 100LL.
You would never catch me using auto fuel in any airplane.
Bob yes I agree with you the story is not complete and that there could have
been a fuel leak causing the plane to run out sooner than expected or very
fast, but that's not the usual case.
Bob another thing that might need to be brought up is the quality of the
flares people are making on their own. I have seen so many flares that were
not made correctly and over flared or the flare was not deep enough. This
the leaks found in the Vans airplane is way too high. I am not sure if it
is a training issue on how to make tubing flares correctly or is it the
cheap soft tubing that vans supplies.
I will be for sure using 5052 tubing in my -10, yes it is much stiffer and
much harder to work with but it is much stronger and less likely to crack.
So the real question is?? Is the leak rates that are being found due to
material issues or craftsman quality of making the tubing??
Just my thoughts.
John Cumins
President
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
"What about the one just before this one with the guy from Texas taking
delivery? Did we ever find out what the cause was on that one?"
This was the Ohio crash. Per VAF the pilots are now both out of the hospital
although the builder was seriously burned. The builder has posted on VAF his
condition but has not said anything about the cause. Curiously, it also is
not listed on the NTSB web site yet.
As to running out of gas, this certainly is very poor judgement. Although,
until the facts are in, we don't know. Maybe there was a serious undetected
fuel leak. I will say, though, that some pilots are type A personalities.
The owner of this latest accident aircraft has previously posted on VAF
about his (illegal) experimentation with car gas in a certified airplane.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
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Did you count the one from several years ago from Lebanon=2C TN that crashe
d in south Alabama in IMC??
> Date: Tue=2C 1 Nov 2011 17:28:31 -0400
> From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
>
>
> On 11/1/2011 4:32 PM=2C Bob Turner wrote:
> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner"<bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
> >
> > More than that. By my count:
> >
> > 3 fatals: auto engine failure/botched corn field landing
> > improper IMC
> > Probable in flight heart attack
> >
> > non-fatal: auto engine/fire on the ground
> > in flight fire-fuel connection loose- may not be total
loss
> This one may be being rebuilt in Melbourne=2C FL.
> Linn
> > crash in OH 28 Sept 2011 cause unknown
> > this one.
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Tim,
What do you think these accidents/incidents will do to our insurance rates? Is
the Rv-10 rate higher than other comparable planes?
Alan
N668G
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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
I think it's more than that...
We've had:
The Dan Lloyd Incident
The IFR incident
The possibly Medical incident
The inflight fire
The post-landing fire
The out-of-gas (this one)
... and I'm not positive if the others were hull losses but I know there
were at least a couple others, one being the V-8 I think that pancaked
in (not sure if they got it flying again?), and another one that was
a botched landing that punched the gear up through. Off the top of my
head I can't remember if that's it or not. At least I *think* the
hull losses are less than you can count on 2 hands.
Tim
On 11/1/2011 3:02 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> So is that the 5th RV-10 hull loss now?
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
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One thing about the fuel lines; when using 5052 a builder can segment the
lines and connect with unions; then the numerous bends are not required.
When required one can use flex lines (Teflon lines with braided Stainless
sheath. Also use the approved flaring tool for aircraft fittings. The flare
angle may be different.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
Man people are stupid. Auto fuel in a certified plane, yes there are stc's
for them, but not many really do not work out well. I have helped recover
many a plane in Alaska out in the bush due to auto fuel for one reason or
another. And when auto fuel burns it is very hard to see the flame when it
is small and it's flash point is so much lower than 100LL.
You would never catch me using auto fuel in any airplane.
Bob yes I agree with you the story is not complete and that there could have
been a fuel leak causing the plane to run out sooner than expected or very
fast, but that's not the usual case.
Bob another thing that might need to be brought up is the quality of the
flares people are making on their own. I have seen so many flares that were
not made correctly and over flared or the flare was not deep enough. This
the leaks found in the Vans airplane is way too high. I am not sure if it
is a training issue on how to make tubing flares correctly or is it the
cheap soft tubing that vans supplies.
I will be for sure using 5052 tubing in my -10, yes it is much stiffer and
much harder to work with but it is much stronger and less likely to crack.
So the real question is?? Is the leak rates that are being found due to
material issues or craftsman quality of making the tubing??
Just my thoughts.
John Cumins
President
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
"What about the one just before this one with the guy from Texas taking
delivery? Did we ever find out what the cause was on that one?"
This was the Ohio crash. Per VAF the pilots are now both out of the hospital
although the builder was seriously burned. The builder has posted on VAF his
condition but has not said anything about the cause. Curiously, it also is
not listed on the NTSB web site yet.
As to running out of gas, this certainly is very poor judgement. Although,
until the facts are in, we don't know. Maybe there was a serious undetected
fuel leak. I will say, though, that some pilots are type A personalities.
The owner of this latest accident aircraft has previously posted on VAF
about his (illegal) experimentation with car gas in a certified airplane.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=356583#356583
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I'm not Tim, but the answer is obvious: insurance writers base their premiums on
the perceived risk, and claim history. For a while the high-end Lancairs were
almost un-insurable.
As to how we compare to other aircraft: we're hurt by the very small number of
insurance companies willing to cover homebuilts. Lack of competition, plus the
small numbers don't make for good statistics, so they don't really have a feel
for the risk.
During my build I paid more for builder's insurance than I had previously paid
for hull on a flying 182, even adjusted for the difference in value!
I do know that when I asked about what I consider reasonable liability limits (at
least $1M per passenger) I was told that it just wasn't available.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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I am not certain that these total crashes will adversely affect our rates.
Assuming that there are 300 flying with 1000 more under construction the
loss rate of flying aircraft is 2% of flying aircraft spread over about five
years. Most of the premiums for insurance for well qualified pilots (>1000
hours,> 100 hours in type are about 2% of hull. Assuming that the average
RV10 is insured for 150K and 300 pilots have paid the premium for 5 years
the amount comes to about $4.5M plus investment income. The payout on those
airframes is probably about $250K including liability for the non crew $100K
seat or about $1.5M for the six major crashes. I don't know the numbers on
the SR20-SR22 group but that group has a lot of fatal accidents and those
aircraft are $500K aircraft with several seats filled; I would be more
concerned about the Cirrus premiums than the RV10 fleet. Of course I am
paying 50% more now than when I had my 1976 TC177RG. It had a hull value of
$90K but I also had 2000+ in that aircraft. Ratings and time make a
difference.
RV10 N46007
Com CFII A&P
4000+
400+ in type
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 4:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: N968TP
I'm not Tim, but the answer is obvious: insurance writers base their
premiums on the perceived risk, and claim history. For a while the high-end
Lancairs were almost un-insurable.
As to how we compare to other aircraft: we're hurt by the very small number
of insurance companies willing to cover homebuilts. Lack of competition,
plus the small numbers don't make for good statistics, so they don't really
have a feel for the risk.
During my build I paid more for builder's insurance than I had previously
paid for hull on a flying 182, even adjusted for the difference in value!
I do know that when I asked about what I consider reasonable liability
limits (at least $1M per passenger) I was told that it just wasn't
available.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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