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3. 04:10 PM - Re: 40533 First Flight (Eric_Kallio)
4. 06:26 PM - Re: Heavy wing (Marcus Cooper)
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This may have been mentioned already, but on the RV-6 the solution was
to squeeze, ever so slightly, the trailing edge of the aileron or tap it
a little to make the trailing end more square. It worked like a champ!
There might be some comments in the RV-6 archives.
Marcus
do not archive
On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
Thanks, guys. It seems like my wing tips are even, and I've verified
that the rudder is correct (i.e. ball is centered) when noting the heavy
wing.
I checked that the ailerons are mounted on the wing evenly, but I'll
check more closely. Not sure I would have noticed a 1/32" difference,
and it sounds like such a little difference might actually matter.
Thanks again, and I'll report back.
-Rob
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:27 PM, David Leikam <arplnplt@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree with Gary.
Try a rudder trim block if you don't have rudder trim. I thought I had
a heavy wing until I played with my rudder trim after the first few
flights.
David Leikam
RV10
Flying
On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Gary Specketer wrote:
> I am sure you probably checked this but is your rudder neutral with
the heavy wing. Does the heavyness change as you step on one side or
the other?
>
> Gary Specketer
>
> From: Rob Kochman
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: rv10-list
> Subject: RV10-List: Heavy wing
>
> Hi, all... I have about 90 hours on the RV-10 now, and everything is
great, with the exception of a significantly heavy right wing. I feel
like I've tried just about everything, but still can't get it figured
out, so looking for suggestions from the group. Here's what I know (and
what I've ruled out):
> Using the standard aileron trim, it takes nearly full left trim to
keep the wings level at cruise speed. The heavy wing is less noticeable
at slower speeds, so it's definitely an aerodynamic problem.
> Problem has existed since first flight, so it's not a new issue and
not an issue with the leg and wheel fairings
> Rigghing is correct (per plans, verified with the aileron bellcrank
templates). I tried adjusting one side a little, but as you can imagine,
since the ailerons are interconnected, it didn't make a difference).
> Flaps are even (measured with a digital level). just out of
curiosity, I lowered the right flap a little to see if it would make a
difference. It did not.
> Loading is even (i.e. see the problem w/ balanced load in the cabin
and balanced fuel tanks).
> Perhaps the most telling: when holding the airplane level, the
ailerons are even with the flaps (in the reflex position). When I let
go of the stick, with neutral trim, the left aileron goes down and the
right up slightly (maybe 1/8" at most). This is consistent with the
heavy left wing.
> I've verified that the ailerons are mounted evenly with respect to the
rear wing spar, since Van's "heavy wing" document says this can cause
issues.
> Ailerons seem to be well-built and symmetrical (they're quickbuilds).
> I've tried everything in Van's "heavy wing" document and talked to
several people over there. They don't have any ideas for me, other than
to put a wedge under the left aileron to balance it out (which I've had
on there for 60 hours or so). N410RV has a trim wedge, and one of the
guys at Van's says that Van's personal RV-10 has a sizeable trim wedge.
too. Though I'm usually pragmatic about issues like this, it seems that
adding the wedge is just admitting defeat--something is giving it a
heavy right wing (specifically something is deflecting the left aileron
down and the right aileron up), and I should be able to figure out what
it is.
>
> Anyone have any ideas? Much appreciated.
>
> -Rob
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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That only works on RVs that have the trailing edge as a bent piece of
aluminum. The -10 ailerons are two sheets of aluminum double flush
riveted with an extrusion between them(except the quick builds Manila
doesn't do double flush, grrr)
On 11/13/2011 1:30 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> This may have been mentioned already, but on the RV-6 the solution was
> to squeeze, ever so slightly, the trailing edge of the aileron or tap
> it a little to make the trailing end more square. It worked like a
> champ! There might be some comments in the RV-6 archives.
>
> Marcus
>
> do not archive
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
> Thanks, guys. It seems like my wing tips are even, and I've verified
> that the rudder is correct (i.e. ball is centered) when noting the
> heavy wing.
> I checked that the ailerons are mounted on the wing evenly, but I'll
> check more closely. Not sure I would have noticed a 1/32" difference,
> and it sounds like such a little difference might actually matter.
> Thanks again, and I'll report back.
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:27 PM, David Leikam <arplnplt@gmail.com
> <mailto:arplnplt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree with Gary.
> Try a rudder trim block if you don't have rudder trim. I thought
> I had a heavy wing until I played with my rudder trim after the
> first few flights.
>
> David Leikam
> RV10
> Flying
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Gary Specketer wrote:
>
>> I am sure you probably checked this but is your rudder neutral
>> with the heavy wing. Does the heavyness change as you step on
>> one side or the other?
>> Gary Specketer
>>
>> *From:* Rob Kochman <mailto:rv10rob@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2011 3:12 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Heavy wing
>>
>> Hi, all... I have about 90 hours on the RV-10 now, and everything
>> is great, with the exception of a significantly heavy right
>> wing. I feel like I've tried just about everything, but still
>> can't get it figured out, so looking for suggestions from the
>> group. Here's what I know (and what I've ruled out):
>>
>> * Using the standard aileron trim, it takes nearly full left
>> trim to keep the wings level at cruise speed. The heavy wing
>> is less noticeable at slower speeds, so it's definitely an
>> aerodynamic problem.
>> * Problem has existed since first flight, so it's not a new
>> issue and not an issue with the leg and wheel fairings
>> * Rigghing is correct (per plans, verified with the aileron
>> bellcrank templates). I tried adjusting one side a little,
>> but as you can imagine, since the ailerons are
>> interconnected, it didn't make a difference).
>> * Flaps are even (measured with a digital level). just out of
>> curiosity, I lowered the right flap a little to see if it
>> would make a difference. It did not.
>> * Loading is even (i.e. see the problem w/ balanced load in the
>> cabin and balanced fuel tanks).
>> * Perhaps the most telling: when holding the airplane level,
>> the ailerons are even with the flaps (in the reflex
>> position). *When I let go of the stick, with neutral trim,
>> the left aileron goes down and the right up slightly (maybe
>> 1/8" at most). This is consistent with the heavy left wing.*
>> * I've verified that the ailerons are mounted evenly with
>> respect to the rear wing spar, since Van's "heavy wing"
>> document says this can cause issues.
>> * Ailerons seem to be well-built and symmetrical (they're
>> quickbuilds).
>>
>> I've tried everything in Van's "heavy wing" document and talked
>> to several people over there. They don't have any ideas for me,
>> other than to put a wedge under the left aileron to balance it
>> out (which I've had on there for 60 hours or so). N410RV has a
>> trim wedge, and one of the guys at Van's says that Van's personal
>> RV-10 has a sizeable trim wedge. too. Though I'm usually
>> pragmatic about issues like this, it seems that adding the wedge
>> is just admitting defeat--something is giving it a heavy right
>> wing (specifically something is deflecting the left aileron down
>> and the right aileron up), and I should be able to figure out
>> what it is.
>> Anyone have any ideas? Much appreciated.
>> -Rob
>>
>> --
>> Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
>>
>> *
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> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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| Subject: | Re: 40533 First Flight |
Jae, you didn't take too long :-) I was truly slow build like you, and my first
flight of kit 518 was in February. Haven't looked back since phase 1 was completed.
Fly safe and enjoy the plane.
Eric Kallio
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Yep, I completely forgot that part, good catch. Not a very useful tip, but unfortunately
not my first time.
Marcus
On Nov 13, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
That only works on RVs that have the trailing edge as a bent piece of aluminum.
The -10 ailerons are two sheets of aluminum double flush riveted with an extrusion
between them(except the quick builds Manila doesn't do double flush, grrr)
On 11/13/2011 1:30 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> This may have been mentioned already, but on the RV-6 the solution was to squeeze,
ever so slightly, the trailing edge of the aileron or tap it a little to
make the trailing end more square. It worked like a champ! There might be some
comments in the RV-6 archives.
>
> Marcus
>
> do not archive
> On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Rob Kochman wrote:
>
> Thanks, guys. It seems like my wing tips are even, and I've verified that the
rudder is correct (i.e. ball is centered) when noting the heavy wing.
> I checked that the ailerons are mounted on the wing evenly, but I'll check more
closely. Not sure I would have noticed a 1/32" difference, and it sounds like
such a little difference might actually matter.
> Thanks again, and I'll report back.
> -Rob
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:27 PM, David Leikam <arplnplt@gmail.com <mailto:arplnplt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree with Gary.
> Try a rudder trim block if you don't have rudder trim. I thought
> I had a heavy wing until I played with my rudder trim after the
> first few flights.
>
> David Leikam
> RV10
> Flying
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Gary Specketer wrote:
>
>> I am sure you probably checked this but is your rudder neutral
>> with the heavy wing. Does the heavyness change as you step on
>> one side or the other?
>> Gary Specketer
>>
>> *From:* Rob Kochman <mailto:rv10rob@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2011 3:12 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Heavy wing
>>
>> Hi, all... I have about 90 hours on the RV-10 now, and everything
>> is great, with the exception of a significantly heavy right
>> wing. I feel like I've tried just about everything, but still
>> can't get it figured out, so looking for suggestions from the
>> group. Here's what I know (and what I've ruled out):
>>
>> * Using the standard aileron trim, it takes nearly full left
>> trim to keep the wings level at cruise speed. The heavy wing
>> is less noticeable at slower speeds, so it's definitely an
>> aerodynamic problem.
>> * Problem has existed since first flight, so it's not a new
>> issue and not an issue with the leg and wheel fairings
>> * Rigghing is correct (per plans, verified with the aileron
>> bellcrank templates). I tried adjusting one side a little,
>> but as you can imagine, since the ailerons are
>> interconnected, it didn't make a difference).
>> * Flaps are even (measured with a digital level). just out of
>> curiosity, I lowered the right flap a little to see if it
>> would make a difference. It did not.
>> * Loading is even (i.e. see the problem w/ balanced load in the
>> cabin and balanced fuel tanks).
>> * Perhaps the most telling: when holding the airplane level,
>> the ailerons are even with the flaps (in the reflex
>> position). *When I let go of the stick, with neutral trim,
>> the left aileron goes down and the right up slightly (maybe
>> 1/8" at most). This is consistent with the heavy left wing.*
>> * I've verified that the ailerons are mounted evenly with
>> respect to the rear wing spar, since Van's "heavy wing"
>> document says this can cause issues.
>> * Ailerons seem to be well-built and symmetrical (they're
>> quickbuilds).
>>
>> I've tried everything in Van's "heavy wing" document and talked
>> to several people over there. They don't have any ideas for me,
>> other than to put a wedge under the left aileron to balance it
>> out (which I've had on there for 60 hours or so). N410RV has a
>> trim wedge, and one of the guys at Van's says that Van's personal
>> RV-10 has a sizeable trim wedge. too. Though I'm usually
>> pragmatic about issues like this, it seems that adding the wedge
>> is just admitting defeat--something is giving it a heavy right
>> wing (specifically something is deflecting the left aileron down
>> and the right aileron up), and I should be able to figure out
>> what it is.
>> Anyone have any ideas? Much appreciated.
>> -Rob
>>
>> -- Rob Kochman
>> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
>> Woodinville, WA
>> http://kochman.net/N819K
>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com/>">www.aeroelectric.com <http://www.aeroelectric.com/>
>> href="http://www.buildersbooks.com
>> <http://www.buildersbooks.com/>">www.buildersbooks.com
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> --
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> RV-10 Flying since March 2011
> Woodinville, WA
> http://kochman.net/N819K
>
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| Subject: | Panel Upgrade AFS 5500S screens |
Got my panel upgraded with the new AFS 5500 screens. The new screens
are awesome. A little learning curve from the 4500S screens. Rob has done a great
job with the new screens. The user interface is really nice.
It takes playing with them and understanding the layout. Once you understand them
it is really easy and well organized. The more I played with them the more
I like them. I decided to stay with the same size screens as the 4500S. The 5600
would be wonderful but did not feel like
redoing the entire panel at this time.
They have some great features and upgrades. Here are a couple pictures.
I only have about 30 minutes flying them because of really bad winds here in Ohio
the last 2 days. Another thing is the AFS support is fantastic.
Geoff
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Geoff Combs
RV-10 QB N829GW
Flying
40033
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