---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/17/11: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:37 AM - Please Support The Lists... (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:24 PM - Why you don't just strap the stick back... (Tim Olson) 2. 04:38 PM - Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... (Phillip Perry) 3. 07:20 PM - Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... (orchidman) 4. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... (Tim Olson) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:37 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Please Support The Lists... Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Your Contributions alone keep these services up and running. Please make your Contribution today at: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:43 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: Why you don't just strap the stick back... After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of tying down that made some real sense. Later, I also wrote some things too, to pass along the word. One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking the ailerons and elevators. Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wjtP90d_g If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet". On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap that holds the stick in the neutral position (both axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back. That should help prevent such a thing to some degree. Another thing that can cause you problems is having the flaps left down. If you have problems keeping people from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down when boarding and disembarking the plane. But, once you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed... They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping the air under the wing it can add more lift. Just some common sense things to pass along regarding tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Why you don't just strap the stick back... From: Phillip Perry Agreed. I always thought that was a dumb idea. I used to get in the sim and set the wind speed dead on the nose at a steady couple of knots above stalling speed. Back on the stick and you're up. Back further on the stick and you're up and going backwards. Then forward on the stick and you're decending and picking up enough speed to creep forward to your original takeoff point. Fun exercise in the sim. I don't think it would be nearly as much fun with the turbulence and unpredictable winds in real life. Phil On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson wrote: > > After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of > tying down that made some real sense. Later, I also wrote > some things too, to pass along the word. > > One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I > see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their > stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking > the ailerons and elevators. > > Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=O-wjtP90d_g > > If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for > "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet". > > On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap > that holds the stick in the neutral position (both > axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back. > That should help prevent such a thing to some degree. > > Another thing that can cause you problems is having the > flaps left down. If you have problems keeping people > from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down > when boarding and disembarking the plane. But, once > you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because > in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed... > They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push > your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping > the air under the wing it can add more lift. > > Just some common sense things to pass along regarding > tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me. > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:01 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... From: "orchidman" Tim, Do you have a quick link to your page. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 (N2GB Flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358340#358340 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... From: Tim Olson There are better resources out there than me but here is my gust lock. http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/control_locks/index.html And here is a tiedown write up that had the tiedown tips at the bottom. http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/tiedowns/index.html Tim On Nov 17, 2011, at 9:17 PM, "orchidman" wrote: > > Tim, > Do you have a quick link to your page. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > (N2GB Flying) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=358340#358340 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.