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0. 12:42 AM - The Value of a Forum... (Matt Dralle)
1. 07:05 PM - Brake Master Cylinder (preid)
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3. 07:34 PM - Re: Brake Master Cylinder (DLM)
4. 08:30 PM - Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... (Rick Lark)
5. 08:48 PM - Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... (Linn Walters)
6. 09:39 PM - Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... (Tim Olson)
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| Subject: | Brake Master Cylinder |
Anyone have a problem with the master cylinder leaking from the top? Is
there an "O" ring you can buy at Spruce, or better yet, McMasterCarr?
Or do you have to rebuild the whole thing? Thanks Pascal
9 hours and counting.... yeah...
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Appears my previous e-mail did not post.
Testing
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| Subject: | Brake Master Cylinder |
Matco has the rebuild kits
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of preid
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 6:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Brake Master Cylinder
Anyone have a problem with the master cylinder leaking from the top? Is
there an "O" ring you can buy at Spruce, or better yet, McMasterCarr? Or do
you have to rebuild the whole thing? Thanks Pascal
9 hours and counting.... yeah...
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| Subject: | Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... |
Phil, I remember the flight instructor I did most of my primary training wi
th (some 34 years ago) was able to hover a C-150.- In a very strong stead
y wind, he would use just the right amount of throttle, and-could keep th
e aircraft off the ground about 2-3 feet.--Can't say I have ever tried
it myself, nor do I think I could.- I can't imagine what an insurance com
pany today would have to say about-a stunt like that.
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
--- On Fri, 11/18/11, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
Received: Friday, November 18, 2011, 12:36 AM
Agreed.- I always thought that was a dumb idea.
I used to get in the sim and set the wind speed dead on the nose at a stead
y couple of knots above stalling speed.--
Back on the stick and you're up.
Back further on the stick and you're up and going backwards.
Then forward on the stick and you're decending and picking up enough speed
to creep forward to your original takeoff point.
Fun exercise in the sim.- I don't think it would be nearly as much fun wi
th the turbulence and unpredictable winds in real life.
Phil
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of
tying down that made some real sense. -Later, I also wrote
some things too, to pass along the word.
One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I
see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their
stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking
the ailerons and elevators.
Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wjtP90d_g
If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for
"Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet".
On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap
that holds the stick in the neutral position (both
axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back.
That should help prevent such a thing to some degree.
Another thing that can cause you problems is having the
flaps left down. -If you have problems keeping people
from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down
when boarding and disembarking the plane. -But, once
you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because
in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed...
They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push
your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping
the air under the wing it can add more lift.
Just some common sense things to pass along regarding
tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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| Subject: | Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... |
Take another look at that video. Any large wind would just roll the
plane back, not make it fly. I think this video is in the same class as
the 'missing wing' video .... both are model airplanes. Doesn't look
like an N# on the fuselage side either.
Linn
On 11/19/2011 11:26 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> Phil, I remember the flight instructor I did most of my primary
> training with (some 34 years ago) was able to hover a C-150. In a
> very strong steady wind, he would use just the right amount of
> throttle, and could keep the aircraft off the ground about 2-3
> feet. Can't say I have ever tried it myself, nor do I think I could.
> I can't imagine what an insurance company today would have to say
> about a stunt like that.
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
> --- On *Fri, 11/18/11, Phillip Perry /<philperry9@gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Received: Friday, November 18, 2011, 12:36 AM
>
> Agreed. I always thought that was a dumb idea.
>
> I used to get in the sim and set the wind speed dead on the nose
> at a steady couple of knots above stalling speed.
>
> Back on the stick and you're up.
> Back further on the stick and you're up and going backwards.
> Then forward on the stick and you're decending and picking up
> enough speed to creep forward to your original takeoff point.
>
> Fun exercise in the sim. I don't think it would be nearly as much
> fun with the turbulence and unpredictable winds in real life.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim@myrv10.com>> wrote:
>
> <http://ca.mc1207.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of
> tying down that made some real sense. Later, I also wrote
> some things too, to pass along the word.
>
> One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I
> see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their
> stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking
> the ailerons and elevators.
>
> Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wjtP90d_g
>
> If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for
> "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet".
>
> On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap
> that holds the stick in the neutral position (both
> axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back.
> That should help prevent such a thing to some degree.
>
> Another thing that can cause you problems is having the
> flaps left down. If you have problems keeping people
> from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down
> when boarding and disembarking the plane. But, once
> you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because
> in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed...
> They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push
> your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping
> the air under the wing it can add more lift.
>
> Just some common sense things to pass along regarding
> tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me.
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Why you don't just strap the stick back... |
It's from Russia. I originally found it from Flying Magazine.
Regarding the "stunt" with the instructor....I don't really think it's a hug
e risky endeavor. After all, your ground speed is minimal, so really other t
han gusts it shouldn't be a big danger. I've landed in 30+kt steady winds a
nd it is fine if it's not too much of a crosswind or gusty...just feels slow
.
Now that said, I think the dangerous part would be the taxi back to the hang
ar....so I don't think I'll ever hover the RV10....I'd rather not fly in win
ds with 50+ kts on the ground. If I could take off and land in 20kts and ho
ver at some other airport at 20ft @ 50kts, sure, I'd love to give that a go.
It's just a river of moving air, and airplanes only know airspeed.....same
as flying with 70kt tailwinds doesn't make the airplane different. I've ha
d some great trip times with high tailwinds. (and flew the rv10 like a cess
na with 50+ kt headwinds.
Tim
On Nov 19, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote
:
> Take another look at that video. Any large wind would just roll the plane
back, not make it fly. I think this video is in the same class as the 'mis
sing wing' video .... both are model airplanes. Doesn't look like an N# on t
he fuselage side either.
> Linn
>
> On 11/19/2011 11:26 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
>>
>> Phil, I remember the flight instructor I did most of my primary training w
ith (some 34 years ago) was able to hover a C-150. In a very strong steady w
ind, he would use just the right amount of throttle, and cou
ld keep the aircraft off the ground about 2-3 feet. Can't say I have ever t
ried it myself, nor do I think I could. I can't imagine what an insurance c
ompany today would have to say about a stunt like that.
>> Rick
>> #40956
>> Southampton, Ont
>>
>> --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Why you don't just strap the stick back...
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Received: Friday, November 18, 2011, 12:36 AM
>>
>> Agreed. I always thought that was a dumb idea.
>>
>> I used to get in the sim and set the wind speed dead on the nose at a ste
ady couple of knots above stalling speed.
>>
>> Back on the stick and you're up.
>> Back further on the stick and you're up and going backwards.
>> Then forward on the stick and you're decending and picking up enough spee
d to creep forward to your original takeoff point.
>>
>> Fun exercise in the sim. I don't think it would be nearly as much fun wi
th the turbulence and unpredictable winds in real life.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>>
>> After Sun-N-Fun, I read some things about proper methods of
>> tying down that made some real sense. Later, I also wrote
>> some things too, to pass along the word.
>>
>> One disturbing thing I see at OSH and other places when I
>> see RV's tied down, is that many builders simply strap their
>> stick back with the seatbelt to secure the stick, locking
>> the ailerons and elevators.
>>
>> Here's a video that shows exactly why that's a dumb idea.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wjtP90d_g
>>
>> If the above link doesn't work, go to youtube and search for
>> "Accidental VTOL Takeoff" posted by "MessedUpShet".
>>
>> On my site, I show my rudder gust lock, with a strap
>> that holds the stick in the neutral position (both
>> axis) when I use the seat belt to pull the stick back.
>> That should help prevent such a thing to some degree.
>>
>> Another thing that can cause you problems is having the
>> flaps left down. If you have problems keeping people
>> from stepping on your flaps, then great, put them down
>> when boarding and disembarking the plane. But, once
>> you're ready to leave the plane, put them up, because
>> in a wind storm, the flaps will work as designed...
>> They'll create extra drag, to allow the wind to push
>> your plane harder against it's tiedowns, and by trapping
>> the air under the wing it can add more lift.
>>
>> Just some common sense things to pass along regarding
>> tying down...but the video was a real eye opener for me.
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>>
>>
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