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0. 12:11 AM - Just Two Days Left - Still Way Behind... (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:26 AM - Re: N919AR First Flight (rv10flyer)
2. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: N919AR First Flight (Geoff Combs)
3. 06:49 AM - Electrical connectors on stall warning system (Billy & Tami Britton)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: N919AR First Flight (Marcus Cooper)
5. 07:18 AM - Re: Electrical connectors on stall warning system (Rene Felker)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: Electrical connectors on stall warning system (Bill Watson)
7. 09:28 AM - Attaching wire to airframe (Billy & Tami Britton)
8. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Paint Question (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 10:20 AM - Re: Attaching wire to airframe (Bill Watson)
10. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Paint Question (Bob Leffler)
11. 10:30 AM - Re: Attaching wire to airframe (Linn Walters)
12. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Paint Question (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
13. 11:09 AM - Re: Attaching wire to airframe (Phil N)
14. 11:17 AM - Re: Attaching wire to airframe (DLM)
15. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Paint Question (Robin Marks)
16. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Paint Question (Geoff Combs)
17. 11:46 AM - Engine order blues (woxofswa)
18. 12:10 PM - Re: Engine order blues (Phillip Perry)
19. 12:18 PM - Re: Attaching wire to airframe (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 01:37 PM - Re: Engine order blues (DLM)
21. 01:56 PM - Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale (Billy & Tami Britton)
22. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Paint Question (Carl Froehlich)
23. 02:23 PM - Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale ()
24. 02:50 PM - Re: Paint Question (Lew Gallagher)
25. 03:01 PM - Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale (Billy & Tami Britton)
26. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: Paint Question (Bill Watson)
27. 04:58 PM - Re: Engine order blues (Kelly McMullen)
28. 05:30 PM - Re: N919AR First Flight (Chris)
29. 05:54 PM - Re: Engine order blues (DLM)
30. 05:57 PM - Re: N919AR First Flight (Chris)
31. 06:06 PM - Re: Engine order blues (Kelly McMullen)
32. 06:10 PM - Re: Engine order blues (Phillip Perry)
33. 06:57 PM - Re: Engine order blues (Tony Woods)
34. 07:19 PM - Re: Engine order blues (Phillip Perry)
35. 08:20 PM - Re: Engine order blues (DLM)
36. 08:40 PM - Re: Engine order blues (Kelly McMullen)
37. 09:45 PM - Re: Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price increase! (John Gonzalez)
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| Subject: | Just Two Days Left - Still Way Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last
few weeks I have received some really nice comments from members on what the
Lists have meant to them. I have included some of them below. Please read over
the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the support
and camaraderie you have found here.
We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really
want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it
take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep
the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that
keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
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Matronics / Matt Dralle
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Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: N919AR First Flight |
Congratulations!
Hoping for some good wx for our test flying.
I am planning on flying Th 12/1/2011.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight.
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| Subject: | Re: N919AR First Flight |
Congratulations! Chris
Enjoy the ride
Geoff
Geoff Combs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv10flyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:22 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: N919AR First Flight
Congratulations!
Hoping for some good wx for our test flying.
I am planning on flying Th 12/1/2011.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First
flight.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Electrical connectors on stall warning system |
Hello again to everyone. I'm installing the stall warning system in my
wing and need to connect the wires to it. Do I need a special crimper
to crimp the ends to the wire or will a standard electrical crimper do
the job. The fitting is an ES DV18-188M. I know I'll need a crimper
down the road for various items. Is there one crimper that will do the
job for the whole plane or is more than one type crimper necessary???
Which one do I need?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: N919AR First Flight |
Well done Chris!
looks like you had a great time, have even more fun during the phase
1. The video was excellent, great idea having the on-board cam. I
concur with the fantastic paint job as well.
Congrats,
Marcus
40286
535 hours
On Nov 28, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Chris wrote:
Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10.
After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at 9:07
a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight was a
half hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was removed
and engine inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - now
waiting for good weather to repeat!
Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated
websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no kidding,
when I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't forget that!
You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the internet
and didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would have taken 16
years without the internet help.
Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that)
should press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport
Aviation, it's all true!
See the video of my flight if you like at:
<http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk>
-Chris Lucas
N919AR
#40072
"Flying"
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| Subject: | Electrical connectors on stall warning system |
I used the following from Stein. Did everything I needed for both wire and
coax. I used a Radio Shack crimper for the D-sub pins...but Stein has
better...
I would recommend that you give Stein a call and have him help you put
together a wiring kit with the right tools and adequate wire (size and
color) for what you are planning on doing yourself. It may seem a little
pricy when you buy it all at one time..but you will need it and..you will
have shipping cost in the future.
http://www.steinair.net/store.cfm?tlcatid=28
SAT-001, SAT-030, SAT-031
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy & Tami
Britton
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:46 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Electrical connectors on stall warning system
Hello again to everyone. I'm installing the stall warning system in my wing
and need to connect the wires to it. Do I need a special crimper to crimp
the ends to the wire or will a standard electrical crimper do the job. The
fitting is an ES DV18-188M. I know I'll need a crimper down the road for
various items. Is there one crimper that will do the job for the whole
plane or is more than one type crimper necessary??? Which one do I need?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical connectors on stall warning system |
I'd 2nd that. I ended up doing my own panel and not using Stein for the
panel, but he's the best place to go for advice and the right stuff...
and by 'right stuff' I mean the stuff appropriate for our level of
involvement.
Re crimpers and the link below - you'll probably find the SAT-001 and
the SAT-030 die right for the stall warning job and 80% of the rest of
your electrical work. The 'standard' crimpers commonly found in auto
stores and such are less than what you want.
Yep, talking to Stein is a good thing. Getting a panel from him is good
too.
Bill
On 11/29/2011 10:11 AM, Rene Felker wrote:
>
> I used the following from Stein. Did everything I needed for both
> wire and coax. I used a Radio Shack crimper for the D-sub
> pins.....but Stein has better.....
>
> I would recommend that you give Stein a call and have him help you put
> together a wiring kit with the right tools and adequate wire (size and
> color) for what you are planning on doing yourself. It may seem a
> little pricy when you buy it all at one time....but you will need it
> and....you will have shipping cost in the future.
>
> http://www.steinair.net/store.cfm?tlcatid=28
>
> SAT-001, SAT-030, SAT-031
>
> Rene' Felker
>
>
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| Subject: | Attaching wire to airframe |
How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run
through conduit?
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea on
how much material you needed.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it for a
few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flying.
Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew if
I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off.
My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling, seems
things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes and I expect
I will continue to do so for another few months, dont spend all that money
on a new paint job until after all the fly off has been done, once all fixes
and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painted right.
I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I intended, protect
the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is not a show plane
and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family." in other words
please dont point out that spot I missed at the next flyin ;-) I plan to repaint
my plane in the future.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: rv10flyer
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but think
I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a hangared
plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of course mine
is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First flight.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching wire to airframe |
My approach was to avoid conduit whenever possible. Tried to follow
standard wiring practices as I understood them from the standards book
(forget the name).
The short answer is cushioned Adel clamps, those hard plastic snap
grommets, and a couple of other tie wrap-based gadgets. I also found
that waxed nylon string sold for wiring work to be my best friend.
A good starting point is Van's electrical kit, or at least the plans for
it. It shows how to run fat and thin wires from the battery compartment
forward, through the fire wall, along the engine, etc. There are a few
bits of hardware in the kit that can come in handly but most of it is
clamps and snap grommets. I don't recommend the kit unless you plan to
do exactly what they did. I certainly didn't, but the plans show RV10
specific wiring solutions that you can use along with some hardware
suggestions.
Re conduit, the only conduit I used was an empty pair under the cabin
floor to be used for any wiring I couldn't foresee before closing it up,
and a run in one wing so I could close it up before running the final
wires for some wing tip stuff. But otherwise, I avoided conduit and
feel good about it, though conduit works well too.
The best source of specific techniques is the Aeroelectric list but I'm
sure you know about it.
Bill W
On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
> How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run
> through conduit?
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
> How much they need or how much they used? :^). If I was painting I certainly
use more than needed, but since I'm dangerous with a sprayer, I'm letting
somebody else have that opportunity.
All joking aside, getting quantities used would be a useful benchmark.
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching wire to airframe |
I bought stick-on bases for ty-raps from Stein. As long as there's no
great stress, they'll stay stuck on.
Linn
On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
> How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run
> through conduit?
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
I'm there now so this question is just in time. I think a lot will depend o
n product used, colors, along with the painters ability. I just ordered (2)
one gallon kits of DTM epoxy primer which should be enough for the whole p
lane, and 1 gallon of single stage two part urethane top coat in white to g
et started along with a color chart to determine my colors. I'll do the fly
ing surfaces first and see how far that gallon of top coat goes, along with
determining if I want to go with a clear coat or not. I am building on a t
ight budget so I can't afford Jet Glo, PPG, Imron, or any of the other high
$$ dollar $$ finishes and yes I know,,,,ya' get what you pay for.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:52:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
ausen.net>
For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an id
ea on how much material you needed.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it fo
r a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flyi
ng.
Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew
if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off.
My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling
, seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes a
nd I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, don=99t
spend all that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has bee
n done, once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painte
d right.
I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I intende
d, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is not a
show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the family." in
other words please don=99t point out that spot I missed at the next
flyin ;-) I plan to repaint my plane in the future.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: rv10flyer
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but th
ink I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a h
angared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of
course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip
for the family.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First fli
ght.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359357#359357
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| Subject: | Re: Attaching wire to airframe |
Not sure exactly where you mean but if you mean across flat surfaces: I bought
T&B 1" square self-adhesive wire tie mounts. I carefully peeled off the double-sided
foam tape, sanded the back with 80 grit emery paper on a flat surface
to roughen it up, then attached where I needed it with Goop adhesive.
Similar mounts:
http://www.amazon.com/Startech-HC102-Adhesive-Cable-Mounts/dp/B00008VFBE
On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
How are you guys attaching wire to the
airframe where it does not run through conduit?
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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| Subject: | Attaching wire to airframe |
Klik bond fasteners can be epoxied in place. Good anchor. Spruce, or
distributed out of Carson City NV I believe.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching wire to airframe
I bought stick-on bases for ty-raps from Stein. As long as there's no great
stress, they'll stay stuck on.
Linn
On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run
through conduit?
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
Michael if I remember correctly I used around 3-4 gallons of white base coat
2 gallons of blue base coat and 1 qt per other
Trim base colors. I also put 2 coats of primer sealer prior, that was almost
white. I then applied 3 coats clear which was around
3 gallons as well and had some left over of all. Not much however
This will get you in the ball park
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an
idea on how much material you needed.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it for
a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flying.
Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew
if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off.
My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling,
seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes and
I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, don't spend all
that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has been done,
once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painted right.
I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I
intended, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is
not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the
family." in other words please don't point out that spot I missed at the
next flyin ;-) I plan to repaint my plane in the future.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: rv10flyer
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but
think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a
hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of
course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip
for the family.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First
flight.
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| Subject: | Engine order blues |
I just heard from Van's that Lycoming raised their prices. According to Van's,
there were a handful of slots available at the old rate that were immediately
snatched up. (I missed that memo).
At the risk of being cheeky, if anyone jumped in only to have remorse or second
thoughts, I would be happy to negotiate taking over the obligation.
Happy holidays and happy building to all.
Myron
602 421-1868
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
It's worth placing a call into Aerosport. A lot of times they have
inventory engines that are pre-price increase. That's what I did.
While I agree engines are really expensive, my decision to buy when I did
is looking better. I saved about $4,500 compared to the current new price.
Phil
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, woxofswa <woxof@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I just heard from Van's that Lycoming raised their prices. According to
> Van's, there were a handful of slots available at the old rate that were
> immediately snatched up. (I missed that memo).
>
> At the risk of being cheeky, if anyone jumped in only to have remorse or
> second thoughts, I would be happy to negotiate taking over the obligation.
>
> Happy holidays and happy building to all.
>
> Myron
> 602 421-1868
>
> --------
> Myron Nelson
> Mesa, AZ
> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done,
> finishing kit in progress.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359745#359745
>
>
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| Subject: | Attaching wire to airframe |
I've been doing the same thing. While not flying yet, I have had many on
for years now in temps from below 0F and over 100F and have yet to have on
e come loose. In the states you can find it under a number of brand names;
"Amazing Goop", "E6000", Shoe Goo", etc. Some of them have "different" ve
rsions for plumbing, carpentry, etc but I have yet to find a difference in
the actual formulation. They are all referred to as an all purpose contact
adhesive and sealant.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil N
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Attaching wire to airframe
Not sure exactly where you mean but if you mean across flat surfaces: I bou
ght T&B 1" square self-adhesive wire tie mounts. I carefully peeled off the
double-sided foam tape, sanded the back with 80 grit emery paper on a flat
surface to roughen it up, then attached where I needed it with Goop adhesi
ve.
Similar mounts:
http://www.amazon.com/Startech-HC102-Adhesive-Cable-Mounts/dp/B00008VFBE
On 11/29/2011 12:24 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
How are you guys attaching wire to the airframe where it does not run throu
gh conduit?
Thanks in advance,
Bill
rsbooks.com>
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| Subject: | Engine order blues |
I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in
anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD
on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price
for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental version.
The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or
about $400 per year or about 1% a year.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine order blues
I just heard from Van's that Lycoming raised their prices. According to
Van's, there were a handful of slots available at the old rate that were
immediately snatched up. (I missed that memo).
At the risk of being cheeky, if anyone jumped in only to have remorse or
second thoughts, I would be happy to negotiate taking over the obligation.
Happy holidays and happy building to all.
Myron
602 421-1868
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done,
finishing kit in progress.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359745#359745
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| Subject: | Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale |
I have decided to go with LED's in my RV-10 so I've decided to sell the
Whelen setup that came with the kit when I bought it. I believe it is
what they called a "System 6". However, I stand corrected if I'm wrong.
It consists of a Model HDACF Power Supply, Model A500A-V-14 tail
strobe, Model A650-PR-14V red position light and a Model A650-PG-14V
green position light. Also has the Whelen 60' 3-wire shielded wire kit
with connectors to connect the lights to the power supply. I have
everything that came with the original setup. None of it has ever been
used, in fact it's only been out of the boxes a couple times. Selling
as new. All parts are marked "9/03" so I assume they were
assembled/manufactured in September '03.
Pricing is questionable. Checking Spruce, pricing is as follows:
Whelen HD60 Installation Package---$77.50
Whelen A650PG14 Tip Strobe---$218.95
Whelen A650PR14 Tip Strobe---$219.95
Whelen A500AV14 Tail Pos. Strobe---$158.95
Whelen HDACF 14/28V $393.95
Adding all of these up comes to a total of $1069.30. Considering age, I
think 75% of new should be fair to start. Therefore, I'd like $800 even
and I'll ship priority mail to the 48 states insured for $800. Shipping
outside of the 48 states will be actual shipping.
Pictures are available upon request. Just drop me an e-mail at
william@gbta.net or text me at 6205464942.
Thanks,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
I used PPG base coat clear coat.
1.5 gal primer
1.25 gal silver
3/4 gal red
1 pint blue
2.5 gal clear
Enough reducer to go with the above materials.
One coat primer (but the fiberglass top and doors had smooth prime and an earlier
coat of primer that was wet sanded before the fuselage prime). Two coats color
and two coats clear.
Carl
On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:38 PM, "Geoff Combs" <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com> wrote:
>
> Michael if I remember correctly I used around 3-4 gallons of white base coat
> 2 gallons of blue base coat and 1 qt per other
> Trim base colors. I also put 2 coats of primer sealer prior, that was almost
> white. I then applied 3 coats clear which was around
> 3 gallons as well and had some left over of all. Not much however
> This will get you in the ball park
>
> Geoff
>
>
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport Modeling & Design
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> 614-834-5227p
> 614-834-5230f
> www.aerosportmodeling.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 12:52 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
>
> --> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an
> idea on how much material you needed.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:57 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
>
>
> Just as a thought, I painted my own plane. It's short term, but I did it for
> a few reasons. no worries about exposed aluminum and fiberglass when flying.
>
> Priming absorbs and actually is worse than nothing at all and lastly I knew
> if I opted for a 8K paint job I would be upset during the fly off.
> My point! no regrets with the scratches all over the plane from the cowling,
> seems things shifted in flight and I need to make some fiberglass fixes and
> I expect I will continue to do so for another few months, don't spend all
> that money on a new paint job until after all the fly off has been done,
> once all fixes and cosmetic adjustments are made than get it painted right.
> I know Tim did it himself and it looks great, mine works for what I
> intended, protect the plane from the weather. So I'm with you Wayne "mine is
> not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip for the
> family." in other words please don't point out that spot I missed at the
> next flyin ;-) I plan to repaint my plane in the future.
> Pascal
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rv10flyer
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:59 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Paint Question
>
>
> I checked into the $12000 paint job at 52F which would be real nice, but
> think I will settle for $8500 job using Dupont from Gene Mason. I believe a
> hangared plane will be fine for 25+ years if kept clean and waxed often. Of
> course mine is not a show plane and the savings is equal to an 8000 nm trip
> for the family.
>
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> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 5/93, PPC 10/08 Bldr# 40983SB Remaining: First
> flight.
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale |
Hey Bill,
If I remember correctly, there is a first start up procedure for the
power supply after it=99s been sitting for awhile to keep from
blowing the capacitors in initial surge. I think I wired a light bulb
in series as resistance and had no problems. It is in the Whelen
instructions somewhere and should be passed on to the buyer.
Later, =93 Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
Hey Michael,
I did all the prep work, all the fiberglass work, and painted Wes's -10 for $4
K labor with him supplying all the material ... I won't be doing it that cheaply
again!
I used acrylic enamel with WetLook hardner. I think it was between 4/5 gallons
white (base color), 1 qt. blue (tips/stripes) and 1 pt. red (stripes). I was
amazed at how much it took -- never painted a plane before, cars usually take
about 1 gal. color, 1 gal. clear for urethane base/clear. I always do three
light coats -- nice slick without runs or orange peel.
Lots of 2K epoxy primer -- at least 2 coats on fiberglass with sanding in between
for pin holes, etc. I did not do the acid wash/alodine. Instead I scuffed
all aluminum, light coat of self etch primer followed within 20 min. with the
2K primer, sand smooth, paint.
Obviously, each to their own -- I think it is a wise comment to go with whatever
the painter is familiar with, and what works with aluminum.
No cracks around windows, no chips or peels (except as I noted on a previous post
about not redoing the factory primer on the steps) in almost two years.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Fly off completed !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359767#359767
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale |
Thanks for the heads-up. I had no idea.
Bill
From: lewgall@charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
Hey Bill,
If I remember correctly, there is a first start up procedure for the
power supply after it=99s been sitting for awhile to keep from
blowing the capacitors in initial surge. I think I wired a light bulb
in series as resistance and had no problems. It is in the Whelen
instructions somewhere and should be passed on to the buyer.
Later, =93 Lew
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Question |
I would estimate about 3.5 gals (imron elite single stage) to cover the
entire thing. So many variables depending on color scheme, etc.
I put a lot of my painting experience in my Kitlog:
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5986
<http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=5986>
A couple of random thoughts:
- consider PreKote instead of etching or alodining - easy, non-toxic,
presumably effective
- pick your prime as you pick you top coat to ensure total
compatibility. Shooting your prime and topcoat within 12-24-48 hours
(see data sheets) can give you that strong chemical bond and eliminate
the need to sand between those coats
- Temperature is a big deal - winter is upon us, spring beckons
- Read the data sheets carefully - the manufacturer is trying to guide
you to success, but with one caveat... VOC regs seem to limit what can
be done, particularly in terms of thinnning. I had some success
thinning the paints more than specified (i.e. thinning up to 15% instead
of zero thinning). An HVLP gun with better atomization may have given
me even more success but I don't really know at this point.
- You need a respirator... talk to some old timers in the business and
you'll quickly learn why.
- A masking dispenser is indispensible
On 11/29/2011 12:52 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
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> For those of you that painted your own birds it would be great to get an idea
on how much material you needed.
>
> Michael
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
Hmmm, until recently the experimental version was under $41K. That is a
whopping jump of $4K in one year or 10 percent for experimental. I guess
that will make used and rebuilt a bit more attractive. Seems like a huge
markup for an engine that has been in production for 45 years or so with
very few changes.
On 11/29/2011 2:33 PM, DLM wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm34077@q.com>
>
> I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in
> anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD
> on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price
> for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental version.
> The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or
> about $400 per year or about 1% a year.
>
>
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| Subject: | N919AR First Flight |
Thanks to everyone for all the compliments.
I helped do everything there is to do regarding prepping the plane for paint
- scheme design , scuff. alodine, fill, sand, block, scuff, tape, stripe
layout, etc, etc, except (due to past disasters) I made sure to never
actually handle the gun, so a plug goes to Henry Miller at Riviera Customs &
Restorations here in New Bern, NC. for the masterful paint work.
.
Thanks
Chris
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight
Well done Chris!
looks like you had a great time, have even more fun during the phase 1.
The video was excellent, great idea having the on-board cam. I concur with
the fantastic paint job as well.
Congrats,
Marcus
40286
535 hours
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| Subject: | Engine order blues |
The IO540 D4A5 has to carry the load for all those other engines with
company funded/subsidized ADs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues
Hmmm, until recently the experimental version was under $41K. That is a
whopping jump of $4K in one year or 10 percent for experimental. I guess
that will make used and rebuilt a bit more attractive. Seems like a huge
markup for an engine that has been in production for 45 years or so with
very few changes.
On 11/29/2011 2:33 PM, DLM wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm34077@q.com>
>
> I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in
> anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD
> on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price
> for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental
version.
> The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or
> about $400 per year or about 1% a year.
>
>
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| Subject: | N919AR First Flight |
Good to hear you are back at it Jack, If I had such a nice Pietenpol I would
find it hard to build another plane.
-Chris
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight
Way to go, Chris! Wish I could say I'm close behind you, but at least I'm
back to work on mine now.
Jack Phillips
#40610
Raleigh, NC
Still on the Wings
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N919AR First Flight
Well Lister's I would like to report another flying RV-10.
After 8 years, 1 month, and 1 day of construction, on 11/27/2011 at 9:07
a.m., N919AR took to the air over eastern NC (EWN). The flight was a half
hour of smooth, non eventful test flying. The cowling was removed and engine
inspected - no significant issues - cowling is on - now waiting for good
weather to repeat!
Can't say enough how much the list, and all those with their dedicated
websites helped me build a wonderful airplane. Thanks. And no kidding, when
I got home from the flight I sent money to Matt, don't forget that!
You have got to hand it to those builders that built before the internet and
didn't have matched holes, etc. etc.. I probably would have taken 16 years
without the internet help.
Everyone still building, (I couldn't wait to finally get to say that) should
press on, it is sooooo worth it. Read that new article in Sport Aviation,
it's all true!
See the video of my flight if you like at:
<http://www.youtube.com/user/73toaster#p/a/u/0/ISlitLMaRWk>
-Chris Lucas
N919AR
#40072
"Flying"
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
Sounds like a good reason to buy a used C4B5.
On 11/29/2011 6:49 PM, DLM wrote:
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> The IO540 D4A5 has to carry the load for all those other engines with
> company funded/subsidized ADs
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
That's correct. This specific jump from the previous price was an even
$3,500. I think they had a smaller one in the early summer, so I'll bet
it's slightly over the $4K that you noticed.
Got ours hung last week.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384720_2448633629128_1650597149_2485999_919415608_n.jpg
Phil
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, until recently the experimental version was under $41K. That is a
> whopping jump of $4K in one year or 10 percent for experimental. I guess
> that will make used and rebuilt a bit more attractive. Seems like a huge
> markup for an engine that has been in production for 45 years or so with
> very few changes.
>
> On 11/29/2011 2:33 PM, DLM wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm34077@q.com>
>>
>> I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in
>> anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD
>> on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price
>> for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental
>> version.
>> The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or
>> about $400 per year or about 1% a year.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything i
mported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more...
Tony Woods
Sent from my phone
On Nov 30, 2011, at 6:38, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's correct. This specific jump from the previous price was an even $3
,500. I think they had a smaller one in the early summer, so I'll bet it's
slightly over the $4K that you noticed.
>
> Got ours hung last week.
>
> http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/384720_2448633629128_165059
7149_2485999_919415608_n.jpg
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> Phil
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e:
>
> Hmmm, until recently the experimental version was under $41K. That is a wh
opping jump of $4K in one year or 10 percent for experimental. I guess that w
ill make used and rebuilt a bit more attractive. Seems like a huge markup fo
r an engine that has been in production for 45 years or so with very few cha
nges.
>
> On 11/29/2011 2:33 PM, DLM wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "DLM"<dlm34077@q.com>
>
> I bought my certified engine through Vans at the 2004 price of $38900 in
> anticipation of the 2005 increase. Lycoming had to cover the crankshaft AD
> on other IO540s so the Van's 2005 price was $44600? The current Vans price
> for the certified version is $47705 or $45800 for the experimental version
.
> The price increase from 2005 - 2012 (8 years) has been a total of $3105 or
> about $400 per year or about 1% a year.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
.... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit stages
that will mostly be buying new D4A5's.
The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 months.
Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency
We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. I
did hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having their
clone D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out there for
the D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that could happen
to those thousand-plus buyers.
Phil
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods <twoods@sesa.af> wrote:
> The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything
> imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more...
> Tony Woods
>
> Sent from my phone
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| Subject: | Engine order blues |
Actually it is because of little or no competition resulting from a
government that "certifies" (controls, specifies, approves) everything
aviation except some experimental. The bureaucrats cost money and we have
them in spades.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues
.... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit stages that
will mostly be buying new D4A5's.
The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 months.
Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency
We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. I did
hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having their clone
D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out there for the
D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that could happen to
those thousand-plus buyers.
Phil
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods <twoods@sesa.af> wrote:
The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything
imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more...
Tony Woods
Sent from my phone
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
If you were talking a certified engine, relatively new design, I could
buy that argument. But for an engine that was designed, certified and
produced 45 years ago, the only on-going FAA involvement is in the parts
manufacturing quality control. In the case of the experimental version
even that cost goes away. Lycoming can build the experimental with the
reject parts from the certified versions if they chose to. Or they can
just take advantage of cost savings from additional volume in parts
production. The design and certification costs were paid for in the
first 5 years of Comanche and Aztec production, not to mention the
Cherokee 235. All the same parts. Lycoming actually produces very few if
any parts in the engine, and hasn't for the last 20 years. They sold all
the tooling, dies, machine equipment and subcontracted for all the
parts. Only their type certificate and assembly work was retained. I
hear they are thinking about returning to some in house production.
On 11/29/2011 9:16 PM, DLM wrote:
>
> Actually it is because of little or no competition resulting from a
> government that certifies (controls, specifies, approves) everything
> aviation except some experimental. The bureaucrats cost money and we
> have them in spades.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Phillip Perry
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:17 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues
>
> .... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit
> stages that will mostly be buying new D4A5's.
>
> The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12
> months. Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011.
> http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency
>
> We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed.
> I did hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having
> their clone D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits
> out there for the D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing
> that could happen to those thousand-plus buyers.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods <twoods@sesa.af
> <mailto:twoods@sesa.af>> wrote:
>
> The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys.
> Anything imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more...
>
> Tony Woods
>
> Sent from my phone
>
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| Subject: | Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price |
increase!
Yah=2C I hear there are some good new lycomings for sale in Somalia and the
y are really cheap. I think it is because there is no government to stop th
e pirates who stole the engines off a freighter bound for Indonesia.
I can send an inquiry to these people if you are interested=2C but they onl
y accept cash in person. I think it is a good deal and should be safe.
From: dlm34077@q.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine order blues
Actually it is because of little or no
competition resulting from a government that =93certifies=94 (controls=2C
specifies=2C approves) everything aviation except some experimental. The
bureaucrats cost money and we have them in spades.
From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Tuesday=2C November 29=2C 2011
8:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine
order blues
.... and greed because
there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit stages that will mostly be buying
new
D4A5's.
The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 months.
Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency
We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. I
did hear rumors at OSH
last year that ECI was very close to having their clone D4A5 ready for
market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out there for the D4A5.
Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that could happen to those
thousand-plus buyers.
Phil
On Tue=2C Nov 29=2C 2011 at 8:53 PM=2C Tony Woods <twoods@sesa.af> wrote:
The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys.
Anything imported into the USA
to build engines now costs a lot more...
Tony Woods
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