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0. 12:22 AM - [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:04 AM - Re: Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price increase! (DLM)
2. 08:18 AM - Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale (Billy & Tami Britton)
3. 10:03 AM - Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale (Bob Turner)
4. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale (Billy & Tami Britton)
5. 10:26 AM - Re: Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price increase! (David Leikam)
6. 12:23 PM - Electrical schematic (Rick Lark)
7. 01:03 PM - Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? (Bill Watson)
8. 01:34 PM - Re: Electrical schematic (Bob Turner)
9. 01:43 PM - Re: Electrical schematic (Michael Kraus)
10. 01:49 PM - Re: Electrical schematic (Linn Walters)
11. 02:00 PM - Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? (William Curtis)
12. 02:00 PM - Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? (Dave Bowman)
13. 03:01 PM - Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Bill Watson)
14. 03:20 PM - Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? (Tom Hanaway)
15. 03:24 PM - Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? (Bill Watson)
16. 03:44 PM - Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Pascal)
17. 04:52 PM - Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Chris)
18. 04:52 PM - Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Bill Watson)
19. 04:53 PM - Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Bob Turner)
20. 05:24 PM - Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Bob Turner)
21. 06:15 PM - Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Kelly McMullen)
22. 06:28 PM - Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Bob Turner)
23. 06:40 PM - Moving Door Pin Holes (Phillip Perry)
24. 07:10 PM - Re: Moving Door Pin Holes (DLM)
25. 07:10 PM - Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (Don McDonald)
26. 07:23 PM - Re: Moving Door Pin Holes (Phillip Perry)
27. 07:25 PM - Re: Electrical schematic (Rick Lark)
28. 07:29 PM - Re: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation (DLM)
29. 07:31 PM - Re: Electrical schematic (Kelly McMullen)
30. 07:41 PM - Re: Moving Door Pin Holes (Dave Saylor)
31. 08:10 PM - Re: Electrical schematic (Billy & Tami Britton)
32. 08:20 PM - Re: Electrical schematic (Jim Berry)
33. 08:42 PM - Re: Electrical schematic (Bob Turner)
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday again, 48
of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those really
nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this year.
Please read them over and see if you don't agree.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
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Thank you to all in advance!
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| Subject: | Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price |
increase!
I would not be interested in the Somali engines as I already purchased mine
back when the dollar was worth more. Perhaps the bureaucrats in the PRC
could help builders with the alternative engine to be supplied by the
Canadian company who collected funds and never delivered. Or perhaps the US
company who sold an alternative with "special" parts that has left that
business to supply another alternative. Pray for the orphans of OSH.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes
price increase!
Yah, I hear there are some good new lycomings for sale in Somalia and they
are really cheap. I think it is because there is no government to stop the
pirates who stole the engines off a freighter bound for Indonesia.
I can send an inquiry to these people if you are interested, but they only
accept cash in person. I think it is a good deal and should be safe.
_____
From: dlm34077@q.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine order blues
Actually it is because of little or no competition resulting from a
government that "certifies" (controls, specifies, approves) everything
aviation except some experimental. The bureaucrats cost money and we have
them in spades.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues
.... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit stages that
will mostly be buying new D4A5's.
The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12 months.
Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency
We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed. I did
hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having their clone
D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out there for the
D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that could happen to
those thousand-plus buyers.
Phil
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods <twoods@sesa.af> wrote:
The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys. Anything
imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more...
Tony Woods
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale |
I have interest in the tail strobe and power supply. Anyone interested
in the position lights or wiring kit?
Bill
From: Billy & Tami Britton
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:53 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
I have decided to go with LED's in my RV-10 so I've decided to sell the
Whelen setup that came with the kit when I bought it. I believe it is
what they called a "System 6". However, I stand corrected if I'm wrong.
It consists of a Model HDACF Power Supply, Model A500A-V-14 tail
strobe, Model A650-PR-14V red position light and a Model A650-PG-14V
green position light. Also has the Whelen 60' 3-wire shielded wire kit
with connectors to connect the lights to the power supply. I have
everything that came with the original setup. None of it has ever been
used, in fact it's only been out of the boxes a couple times. Selling
as new. All parts are marked "9/03" so I assume they were
assembled/manufactured in September '03.
Pricing is questionable. Checking Spruce, pricing is as follows:
Whelen HD60 Installation Package---$77.50
Whelen A650PG14 Tip Strobe---$218.95
Whelen A650PR14 Tip Strobe---$219.95
Whelen A500AV14 Tail Pos. Strobe---$158.95
Whelen HDACF 14/28V $393.95
Adding all of these up comes to a total of $1069.30. Considering age, I
think 75% of new should be fair to start. Therefore, I'd like $800 even
and I'll ship priority mail to the 48 states insured for $800. Shipping
outside of the 48 states will be actual shipping.
Pictures are available upon request. Just drop me an e-mail at
william@gbta.net or text me at 6205464942.
Thanks,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale |
Bill, that may be a tough split, as mechanically the tail strobe and tail nav light
are one unit. Also the one power supply powers both the tail and the wingtip
strobes.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359916#359916
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| Subject: | Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale |
Yeah, we'll see how it works out. I've got one guy that wants the power
supply and another that wants the tail strobe. I won't get rid of any of it
until all parts (with the exception of the wiring kit) are spoken for
though.
Thanks for the insight,
Bill
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bob Turner" <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Whelen System 6 (???) For Sale
>
> Bill, that may be a tough split, as mechanically the tail strobe and tail
> nav light are one unit. Also the one power supply powers both the tail and
> the wingtip strobes.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359916#359916
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues government bureaucracy causes price |
increase!
Maybe this guy could build a good engine at a reasonable price?
http://www.wimp.com/tiniestengine/
David Leikam
RV10
Flying
do not archive
On Nov 30, 2011, at 7:59 AM, DLM wrote:
> I would not be interested in the Somali engines as I already purchased
mine back when the dollar was worth more. Perhaps the bureaucrats in the
PRC could help builders with the alternative engine to be supplied by
the Canadian company who collected funds and never delivered. Or perhaps
the US company who sold an alternative with =93special=94 parts that has
left that business to supply another alternative. Pray for the orphans
of OSH.
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine order blues government bureaucracy
causes price increase!
>
> Yah, I hear there are some good new lycomings for sale in Somalia and
they are really cheap. I think it is because there is no government to
stop the pirates who stole the engines off a freighter bound for
Indonesia.
>
> I can send an inquiry to these people if you are interested, but they
only accept cash in person. I think it is a good deal and should be
safe.
>
> From: dlm34077@q.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine order blues
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:16:54 -0700
>
> Actually it is because of little or no competition resulting from a
government that =93certifies=94 (controls, specifies, approves)
everything aviation except some experimental. The bureaucrats cost money
and we have them in spades.
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:17 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine order blues
>
> .... and greed because there are a thousand RV-10's in early kit
stages that will mostly be buying new D4A5's.
>
> The dollars has been sideways almost on the nose for the past 12
months. Compare Nov 2010 to Nov 2011.
> http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency
>
> We're really suffering from lack of competition and lycoming's greed.
I did hear rumors at OSH last year that ECI was very close to having
their clone D4A5 ready for market. They see the the same 1000+ kits out
there for the D4A5. Having ECI in the game would be the best thing that
could happen to those thousand-plus buyers.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tony Woods <twoods@sesa.af> wrote:
> The US dollar has dropped sharply in value in the last year guys.
Anything imported into the USA to build engines now costs a lot more...
> Tony Woods
>
> Sent from my phone
>
>
>
> www.buildersbooks.com
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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> ks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com
> rget="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com
> rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> lank">http://forums.matronics.com
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>
>
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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| Subject: | Electrical schematic |
Hi all
-
Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or schematic?- I'm
not sure if it's copyrighted, or ??
-
I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are almost complete a
nd someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting point.
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Thx in advance
-
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had
any response to my last 2 calls/emails.
Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long?
Thanks
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical schematic |
I sent a copy (pdf) to larkRV10@yahoo.ca
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359938#359938
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical schematic |
I thought there was a copy of it in the front of the builders manual... Iva
n check tonight, but I'm sure someone will beat me to it...
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or schematic? I'm n
ot sure if it's copyrighted, or ??
>
> I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are almost complete a
nd someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting point.
>
> Thx in advance
>
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical schematic |
Attached.
Linn
On 11/30/2011 3:19 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> Hi all
> Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or schematic?
> I'm not sure if it's copyrighted, or ??
> I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are almost
> complete and someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting point.
> Thx in advance
> Rick
> #40956
> Southampton, Ont
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade back
in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they are
trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He
gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have
to return it before it will support an future software upgrades, new
features, etc." I opted to wait.
William
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had
> any response to my last 2 calls/emails.
>
> Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long?
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
I received mine after about 3 mos. Just hold on.
Dave Bowman
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:00 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had
any response to my last 2 calls/emails.
Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long?
Thanks
Bill
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| Subject: | Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
Is it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in the
article BS.
Flap extension speed = 115 knots
22" & 2300 producing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher
Target speed on final = 98 knots
Seems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be
believed. Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and knots (which
again, is how old school reviews were done).
Bill
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| Subject: | Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
According to Bill Moffit, one of the planned software upgrades is to give
GPS output. I want to use this to drive my ELT. Hopefully, it will come
with this software upgrade. Given that we already have to enter a number of
software commands into the ADS-600B for setup and ID purposes, I don't
understand why Navworx doesn't make the software available for online
downloading as opposed to requiring the unit to be sent back in.
Tom H.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently?
I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade back
in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that "they are
trying to get the latest software into all units prior to shipment." He
gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they did, "I would have
to return it before it will support an future software upgrades, new
features, etc." I opted to wait.
William
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit. Haven't had any
response to my last 2 calls/emails.
Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long?
Thanks
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Navworx deliveries - anybody rec'd any recently? |
I just got an email with the same answer. No ETA but something.
Thanks
Bill
On 11/30/2011 4:56 PM, William Curtis wrote:
> I'm still awaiting my ADS-600B unit. Sent my ADS-600 unit for upgrade
> back in September. I did get a reply from Bill Moffitt yesterday that
> "they are trying to get the latest software into all units prior to
> shipment." He gave me the option for them to ship it now, but if they
> did, "I would have to return it before it will support an future
> software upgrades, new features, etc." I opted to wait.
> William
> -----------
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com
> <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com <mailto:Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>>
>
> I'm getting close to 60 days since ordering an ADS-b unit.
> Haven't had any response to my last 2 calls/emails.
>
> Has anyone rec'd a unit recently? How long?
>
> Thanks
> Bill
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
First off I believe the demo plane(s) are MPH so believe everything as MPH,
those flying and have done the transition training in Tx, know that Alex
teaches the Vans way 90-95 MPH on final. I floated at that speed, at 98
knots I call that a "fly-by". As far as flaps I believe the flap speed is
100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH.
Yes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I can tell you that at 5500
MSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 161 MPH.
So I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right in that case.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Is it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in the
article BS.
Flap extension speed = 115 knots
22" & 2300 producing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher
Target speed on final = 98 knots
Seems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be
believed. Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and knots (which
again, is how old school reviews were done).
Bill
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| Subject: | Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
I noticed the numbers being all over the place too, very odd.
With Mike Seager I was taught 85-90 mph from initial to base and to final.
I usually preferred the 85 mph on relatively calm day, stay at 9o mph if
windy.
We used 100 mph for Vfe.
At 23" and 2400 I think we would see about 165 Mph IAS.
-Chris
N919AR
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
First off I believe the demo plane(s) are MPH so believe everything as MPH,
those flying and have done the transition training in Tx, know that Alex
teaches the Vans way 90-95 MPH on final. I floated at that speed, at 98
knots I call that a "fly-by". As far as flaps I believe the flap speed is
100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH.
Yes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I can tell you that at 5500
MSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 161 MPH.
So I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right in that case.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Watson
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Is it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in the
article BS.
Flap extension speed = 115 knots
22" & 2300 producing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher
Target speed on final = 98 knots
Seems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be
believed. Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and knots (which
again, is how old school reviews were done).
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
Yes, it looks like a lot of confusion over mph and knots, though the
confusion isn't even consistent.
So much of what we do is about precision. One of the reasons so many of
us are here with the RV line is the refreshing veracity of Van's
performance quotes. I'm sure they're not looking for marketing hype of
this kind.
Budd, gush if you like, but leave the numbers alone unless you make the
effort to get them right!
Bill "entertained but not enlightened... think I'll just go fly
tomorrow" Watson
On 11/30/2011 6:41 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> First off I believe the demo plane(s) are MPH so believe everything as
> MPH, those flying and have done the transition training in Tx, know
> that Alex teaches the Vans way 90-95 MPH on final. I floated at that
> speed, at 98 knots I call that a "fly-by". As far as flaps I believe
> the flap speed is 100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH.
>
> Yes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I can tell you that
> at 5500 MSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 161 MPH.
>
> So I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right in that
> case.
>
> Pascal
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
I too assumed the numbers must be MPH.
Also, the "flap speed" mentioned is only for the first two notches. Vans recommends
something slower (87 KIAS as I recall) for full flaps.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
"One of the reasons so many of
us are here with the RV line is the refreshing veracity of Van's
performance quotes."
Amen.
I think that's why the grins are so large.
I still can't get over the fact that something I put together came in at book weight,
and makes book speeds.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
Wow. 1.3 Vso if you believe Van's advertised numbers is 82mph at gross wt
of 2700. I could see 85mph on final decreasing to 80 over the fence. Most
folks are going to make the majority of their landings at least 100-200lbs
below gross, which would indicate even lower numbers. Of course if less
flaps are used, speeds would have to go up. I'd have to believe that Van's
landing distance numbers are achieved with lower speeds.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> First off I believe the demo plane(s) are MPH so believe everything as
> MPH, those flying and have done the transition training in Tx, know that
> Alex teaches the Vans way 90-95 MPH on final. I floated at that speed, at
> 98 knots I call that a "fly-by". As far as flaps I believe the flap speed
> is 100knots per Alex so that would be 115 MPH.
>
> Yes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I can tell you that at
> 5500 MSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 161 MPH.
>
> So I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right in that case.
>
> Pascal
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Watson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:57 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
>
>
>
> Is it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in the
> article BS.
>
> Flap extension speed = 115 knots
> 22" & 2300 producing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher
> Target speed on final = 98 knots
>
> Seems like an old school factory ride where none of the numbers can be
> believed. Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and knots (which
> again, is how old school reviews were done).
>
> Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
Kelly,
I'd guess most cfi's will recommend a somewhat high approach speed, especially
for new comers to the plane, because, compared to a typical Cessna, it is much
easier to inadvertently apply a little back pressure on final. And if you do,
especially with full flaps, the plane loses speed rapidly.
I'd say it works out well with a nice gentle round out, because then your over-the-fence
speed ends up being quite a bit lower.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Moving Door Pin Holes |
Has anyone had success moving their door pin holes?
I drilled one of mine earlier and after all was said and done, the aft hole
for the door shifted inboard about 1/16". I'd really like the door to sit
as close to flush as possible so I don't make any additional work for
myself. As it stands right now, I'd have to add quite a bit of filler to
build-up the door and that would be enough to cover the tops of the screws
holding the plastic pin guides in the door.
My thought is to go ahead and oval the hole in the bulk head enough to
bring the door flush, then rivet a doubler plate with the properly sized
7/16" hole on the backside of the oval. Of course it would be the same
thickness as bulkhead.
- Has anyone done this successfully?
- Are there any other techniques out there that I haven't thought of?
- I'm assuming the door pin holes must be a tight fit (minimal slop) and
that slightly enlarging the hole (without the doubler idea) is a bad idea?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Moving Door Pin Holes |
Just ensure that the entire circumference of the pin (no part of the bevel)
is in the most restrictive hole. You may have to lengthen the pins
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Perry
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Moving Door Pin Holes
Has anyone had success moving their door pin holes?
I drilled one of mine earlier and after all was said and done, the aft hole
for the door shifted inboard about 1/16". I'd really like the door to sit
as close to flush as possible so I don't make any additional work for
myself. As it stands right now, I'd have to add quite a bit of filler to
build-up the door and that would be enough to cover the tops of the screws
holding the plastic pin guides in the door.
My thought is to go ahead and oval the hole in the bulk head enough to bring
the door flush, then rivet a doubler plate with the properly sized 7/16"
hole on the backside of the oval. Of course it would be the same thickness
as bulkhead.
* Has anyone done this successfully?
* Are there any other techniques out there that I haven't thought of?
* I'm assuming the door pin holes must be a tight fit (minimal slop)
and that slightly enlarging the hole (without the doubler idea) is a bad
idea?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
Had to chime in here.... flying back to TX last Sat from SoCal I was inform
ed halfway that conditions were terrible... winds at destination 30mph gust
ing 45, and the airport I was landing at it also meant a 60 degree crosswin
d landing.... all that coupled with a low, very low, left main tire. (which
later meant wheel pant repair)- In an attempt to reach home before dark,
I ran an rpm setting 200 higher than I normally do.- (and yes, I normall
y cruise at 2,100rpm.... 3 blade MT, and lot's of hp)- -Attached is a p
ic of my panel during the last part of the trip.... 2300rpm, 20.2mp, 10.7gp
h, 21.6mpg, 166mph IAS, 199mph TAS, 231mph GS, 11,700', winds 316 at 81mph
with crosswind comp of 69mph.=0AThis is a great plane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=0A-
=0AOK, I threw in a pic taken several days before while I was heading from
Fullerton to the Sacramento area, showing my normal cruise rpm of-2,100,
21.5mp (not- WOT, ck quadrant), 8,500', 9.8gph, 19.6mpg, 164mph IAS, 189m
ph TAS, 192mph GS.=0A-=0ATwo weeks ago we ran some speed checks with 3 RV
10's and an RV7.- 5,500', wot, 2,500rpm.... all 3 10's were within 3mph,
with the fastest achieving 207TAS... the 7 was about 5mph slower.- We did
not work on mixture or see if a slightly higher rpm would have increased t
he TAS.=0A-=0ASome other very useful info for others out there like me (c
heap)....- Cruising back from Sedona last month at 9,500' with my normal
settings the ground speed was 181knots while burning 10.0 gph.- Pushed th
e levers forward... wot and 2,500rpm, although speed increased a whopping 7
knots (a 3.8% increase), the fuel burn was now 16.6 (a 66% increase).... N
OT a good tradeoff. =0A-=0ADon McDonald=0AFlying, and loving every minute
.=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Chris <toaster73@embar
qmail.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, November 30, 2
011 6:48 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport
ail.com>=0A=0AI noticed the numbers being all over the place too, very odd.
=0A=0AWith Mike Seager I was taught 85-90 mph from- initial to base and t
o final.=0AI usually preferred the 85 mph on relatively calm day, stay at 9
o mph if=0Awindy.=0AWe used 100 mph for Vfe. =0AAt 23" and 2400 I think we
would see about 165 Mph IAS. =0A-Chris=0AN919AR=0A=0A-----Original Message-
----=0AFrom: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-rv10-list
-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal=0ASent: Wednesday, November 30,
2011 6:41 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Budd D
avisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation=0A=0A--> RV10-List message posted
by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net>=0A=0AFirst off I believe the demo plan
e(s) are MPH so believe everything as MPH, =0Athose flying and have done th
e transition training in Tx, know that Alex =0Ateaches the Vans way 90-95 M
PH on final. I floated at that speed, at 98 =0Aknots I call that a "fly-by"
. As far as flaps I believe the flap speed is =0A100knots per Alex so that
would be 115 MPH.=0A=0AYes, I thought it was a great marketing article. I c
an tell you that at 5500=0A=0AMSl 22/2300 I saw 159 TAS/ 140 indicated or 1
61 MPH.=0A=0ASo I conclude it is MPH not Knots. That would be about right i
n that case.=0A=0APascal=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: Bill W
atson=0ASent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:57 PM=0ATo: rv10-list@matronic
s.com=0ASubject: RV10-List: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
=0A=0AIs it my imagination or are most of the speeds and feeds stated in th
e=0Aarticle BS.=0A=0AFlap extension speed = 115 knots=0A22" & 2300- pro
ducing 160 to 165 knots indicated, true even higher=0ATarget speed on final
= 98 knots=0A=0ASeems like an old school factory ride where none of the
numbers can be=0Abelieved.- Or is just as simple as scrambling mph and kn
ots (which=0Aagain, is how old school reviews were done).=0A=0ABill=0A=0A
=
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| Subject: | Re: Moving Door Pin Holes |
I should have added. I have plenty of pin extension to pull it off.
Phil
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:07 PM, DLM <dlm34077@q.com> wrote:
> Just ensure that the entire circumference of the pin (no part of the
> bevel) is in the most restrictive hole. You may have to lengthen the pins*
> ***
>
> ** **
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Phillip Perry
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:38 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Moving Door Pin Holes****
>
> ** **
>
> Has anyone had success moving their door pin holes?
>
> I drilled one of mine earlier and after all was said and done, the aft
> hole for the door shifted inboard about 1/16". I'd really like the door to
> sit as close to flush as possible so I don't make any additional work for
> myself. As it stands right now, I'd have to add quite a bit of filler to
> build-up the door and that would be enough to cover the tops of the screws
> holding the plastic pin guides in the door.
>
> My thought is to go ahead and oval the hole in the bulk head enough to
> bring the door flush, then rivet a doubler plate with the properly sized
> 7/16" hole on the backside of the oval. Of course it would be the same
> thickness as bulkhead.****
>
> - Has anyone done this successfully?****
> - Are there any other techniques out there that I haven't thought of?**
> **
> - I'm assuming the door pin holes must be a tight fit (minimal slop)
> and that slightly enlarging the hole (without the doubler idea) is a bad
> idea?****
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> ****
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical schematic |
Hi Bob & Linn, thanks for the copies, that is what I had hoped for.
Michael, if it was in the builders manual, I didn't get a copy as this
is the first time I've seen the schematic and parts list.
Thanks all......Rick
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Linn Walters
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electrical schematic
Attached.
Linn
On 11/30/2011 3:19 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
Hi all
Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or
schematic? I'm not sure if it's copyrighted, or ??
I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are
almost complete and someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting
point.
Thx in advance
Rick
#40956
Southampton, Ont
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| Subject: | Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation |
Slow to flap speed upon entering the pattern; 120 KIAS remove reflex; <100
KIAS 0-15 degrees; about 85 KIAS for flap >15 degrees. I use 65-70 KIAS
50-100% flaps on short final; 65 KIAS if two aboard; 70 KIAS if four aboard
over the numbers. Easy turnoff at 2500 feet without braking; easy turnoff at
1200 feet with moderate braking. If you plan to use strips < 1000 feet, you
may want to practice technique.
See http://www.azcloudflyer.com/flight_test/proc_landing.jpg this website is
updated by a friend who is an engineer and flew a comprehensive Phase I.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Budd Davisson's RV10 article in Sport Aviation
Kelly,
I'd guess most cfi's will recommend a somewhat high approach speed,
especially for new comers to the plane, because, compared to a typical
Cessna, it is much easier to inadvertently apply a little back pressure on
final. And if you do, especially with full flaps, the plane loses speed
rapidly.
I'd say it works out well with a nice gentle round out, because then your
over-the-fence speed ends up being quite a bit lower.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical schematic |
IIRC Vans only sends that drawing if you buy their electrical kit.
On 11/30/2011 8:22 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
> Hi Bob & Linn, thanks for the copies, that is what I had hoped for.
> Michael, if it was in the builders manual, I didn't get a copy as this
> is the first time I've seen the schematic and parts list.
> Thanks all......Rick
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Linn Walters <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:45 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Electrical schematic
>
> Attached.
> Linn
>
> On 11/30/2011 3:19 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
>> Hi all
>> Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or
>> schematic? I'm not sure if it's copyrighted, or ??
>> I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are almost
>> complete and someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting
>> point.
>> Thx in advance
>> Rick
>> #40956
>> Southampton, Ont
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Moving Door Pin Holes |
Phil,
If I understand your question, you're talking about the holes in the
fuselage, right?
If so you could substitute the plastic guide blocks for a set of our
aluminum guide blocks and just mount the blocks in the desired
position.
I'd highly recommend changing out the plastic blocks for any of the
metal guides that are available. Ours are pretty inexpensive and are
dimensionally the same as the plastic blocks.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone had success moving their door pin holes?
>
> I drilled one of mine earlier and after all was said and done, the aft hole
> for the door shifted inboard about 1/16". I'd really like the door to sit
> as close to flush as possible so I don't make any additional work for
> myself. As it stands right now, I'd have to add quite a bit of filler to
> build-up the door and that would be enough to cover the tops of the screws
> holding the plastic pin guides in the door.
>
> My thought is to go ahead and oval the hole in the bulk head enough to bring
> the door flush, then rivet a doubler plate with the properly sized 7/16"
> hole on the backside of the oval. Of course it would be the same thickness
> as bulkhead.
>
> Has anyone done this successfully?
> Are there any other techniques out there that I haven't thought of?
> I'm assuming the door pin holes must be a tight fit (minimal slop) and that
> slightly enlarging the hole (without the doubler idea) is a bad idea?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical schematic |
If it's not too much trouble could someone please forward me a copy also.
Thanks,
Bill
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kelly McMullen" <kellym@aviating.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Electrical schematic
>
> IIRC Vans only sends that drawing if you buy their electrical kit.
>
> On 11/30/2011 8:22 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
>> Hi Bob & Linn, thanks for the copies, that is what I had hoped for.
>> Michael, if it was in the builders manual, I didn't get a copy as this
>> is the first time I've seen the schematic and parts list.
>> Thanks all......Rick
>> do not archive
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Linn Walters <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:45 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Electrical schematic
>>
>> Attached.
>> Linn
>>
>> On 11/30/2011 3:19 PM, Rick Lark wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> Does anyone have an electronic copy of Vans wiring kit or
>>> schematic? I'm not sure if it's copyrighted, or ??
>>> I'm starting to plan my electrical system as my wings are almost
>>> complete and someone mentioned Vans drawing was a good starting
>>> point.
>>> Thx in advance
>>> Rick
>>> #40956
>>> Southampton, Ont
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical schematic |
Vans used to sell the wiring schematic by itself for $10. I would guess that they
still do.
Jim Berry
N15JB
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical schematic |
Bill:
click on "download" on the post 3 before your post.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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