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1. 04:38 AM - Re: Does anyone know what these avionics do? (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 08:34 AM - Re: FW: Window Glue (Les Kearney)
3. 09:07 AM - Re: FW: Window Glue (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 11:45 AM - Re: FW: Window Glue (Geoff Combs)
5. 04:38 PM - Re: FW: Window Glue (Patrick Pulis)
6. 06:04 PM - Re: FW: Window Glue (g.combs)
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| Subject: | Re: Does anyone know what these avionics do? |
The one on the left looks like a marker beacon display - could be part of an audio
panel.
The one on the right has old-style numeric display lights -
-----Original Message-----
>From: Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
>Sent: Dec 6, 2011 11:39 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Does anyone know what these avionics do?
>
>This flew into our neighboring strip yesterday.
>
>I recognise the ancient G420 (?), but that's all.
>
>Any of you read russian?
>
>I suspect the blue box may be autopilot, but possible not.
>(the funny curved thing above the blue box appears to be an outboard motor)
>
>Cheers
>Neil
>
>do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Window Glue |
Michael
The post and the links are greatly appreciated.
For clarity, how many tubes are require each side, door and main window.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-12-06, at 8:47 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
wrote:
> Here is my original write-up that Kelley referred to......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Sausen On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:30 AM
> To: 'rv10-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Window Glue
>
> I thought I would share my experience with an alternative glue for adhering the
windows. Based on a recommendation from Geoff Combs, I picked up some Lord
7545A/E urethane adhesive rather than using the Weldon 10 we are all familiar
with.
>
> I did follow the standard process with the rear windows and after that experience,
along with forgetting my shims in the rush, I thought I would look into
the alternatives. After not really finding anything definitive from the existing
alternatives like Sikaflex I basically resigned myself to use Weldon for the
doors. As I got within a couple weeks of doing the door windows Geoff had
mentioned to me that he used something else for the window adhesive that was very
much suited for the task and didn't have the quick cure times and viscosity
issues of Weldon. I had forgot about it until he had a brief blurb in one of
his post a couple weeks back. So I got more details from him and found a distributor
that I could get the 50ML two part cartridge. The stuff is comparable
in price to the Weldon at about $13 a kit and each 50ML kit will do a window
easily. There is an additional cost in that you need a gun which is about $30
but it will work with any two part, 1:1, gun packaged product. Each pak also
comes with a self mixing dispensing nozzle so you just stick it in the gun,
put the nozzle on, and squeeze. Extra tips are less than a buck and if you don't
use the whole cartridge you just chuck the tip and put the cap back on.
>
> I'm sure many of you are saying that you've heard this before but this stuff
is GREAT! It looks and acts similar to the Weldon but you get upwards of 30min
working time and it doesn't even sag! This stuff is made specifically as a
structural adhesive for plastics so it seems to be an excellent product for this
application.
>
> Not wanting to completely trust what I read I decided to a little non-scientific
destructive testing. I didn't have a piece of scrap fiberglass anymore but
I did have plenty of scrap plexi from trimming the windows so I took two pieces
and glued an overlap of about 1.5x1.5 inch on two pieces of scrap. Cure time
for this stuff is about 24 hours but I let it sit for about a week. This
stuff doesn't get as rock hard as Weldon but it isn't flexible either. I took
the glued piece and put it in the vise on its edge and tried to separate it in
full edge shear (not really sure how to describe it but was the most difficult
way to break it) and the plexi broke clear of the glue joint. I then turned
it flat and tried to peel it apart and again the plexi broke away from the glue
joint. So far the glue joint hasn't budged. I then took a hammer and beat
the crap out of the remaining square which was basically just the glued area.
After several whacks with the framing hammer I was finally able to get it to
break into 3 pieces without ANY separation of the glue joint. I've attached
a few pictures below so you can see what I'm talking about.
>
> Here is a link to the distributor I got it from. This page also has a link to
the gun you need and extra tips if you want them. Keep in mind each pack comes
with one tip too.
>
> http://chemical-concepts.com/products.php?sid=192&limit
>
> Here is a technical datasheet on 7545A:
>
> http://www.glue4you.com/PDF/Lord7545_TN001.pdf
>
> Michael
>
>
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It's been a while and I only used it on the doors so far but I would budget one
kit for each side window and probably 2-3 for the windshield just to be safe.
Someone else may have a better recollection. I did the side windows with
Weldon and I was in such a rush that I forgot to put the spacers in and had the
windows much too low so now there is a transition down to them. Really wish
I had the Lord stuff for those.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Window Glue
Michael
The post and the links are greatly appreciated.
For clarity, how many tubes are require each side, door and main window.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-12-06, at 8:47 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
wrote:
> Here is my original write-up that Kelley referred to......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Sausen On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:30 AM
> To: 'rv10-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Window Glue
>
> I thought I would share my experience with an alternative glue for adhering the
windows. Based on a recommendation from Geoff Combs, I picked up some Lord
7545A/E urethane adhesive rather than using the Weldon 10 we are all familiar
with.
>
> I did follow the standard process with the rear windows and after that experience,
along with forgetting my shims in the rush, I thought I would look into
the alternatives. After not really finding anything definitive from the existing
alternatives like Sikaflex I basically resigned myself to use Weldon for the
doors. As I got within a couple weeks of doing the door windows Geoff had
mentioned to me that he used something else for the window adhesive that was very
much suited for the task and didn't have the quick cure times and viscosity
issues of Weldon. I had forgot about it until he had a brief blurb in one of
his post a couple weeks back. So I got more details from him and found a distributor
that I could get the 50ML two part cartridge. The stuff is comparable
in price to the Weldon at about $13 a kit and each 50ML kit will do a window
easily. There is an additional cost in that you need a gun which is about $30
but it will work with any two part, 1:1, gun pack!
aged product. Each pak also comes with a self mixing dispensing nozzle so you
just stick it in the gun, put the nozzle on, and squeeze. Extra tips are less
than a buck and if you don't use the whole cartridge you just chuck the tip
and put the cap back on.
>
> I'm sure many of you are saying that you've heard this before but this stuff
is GREAT! It looks and acts similar to the Weldon but you get upwards of 30min
working time and it doesn't even sag! This stuff is made specifically as a
structural adhesive for plastics so it seems to be an excellent product for this
application.
>
> Not wanting to completely trust what I read I decided to a little non-scientific
destructive testing. I didn't have a piece of scrap fiberglass anymore but
I did have plenty of scrap plexi from trimming the windows so I took two pieces
and glued an overlap of about 1.5x1.5 inch on two pieces of scrap. Cure time
for this stuff is about 24 hours but I let it sit for about a week. This
stuff doesn't get as rock hard as Weldon but it isn't flexible either. I took
the glued piece and put it in the vise on its edge and tried to separate it in
full edge shear (not really sure how to describe it but was the most difficult
way to break it) and the plexi broke clear of the glue joint. I then turned
it flat and tried to peel it apart and again the plexi broke away from the glue
joint. So far the glue joint hasn't budged. I then took a hammer and beat
the crap out of the remaining square which was basically just the glued area.
After several whacks with the framing hammer I wa!
s finally able to get it to break into 3 pieces without ANY separation of the
glue joint. I've attached a few pictures below so you can see what I'm talking
about.
>
> Here is a link to the distributor I got it from. This page also has a link to
the gun you need and extra tips if you want them. Keep in mind each pack comes
with one tip too.
>
> http://chemical-concepts.com/products.php?sid=192&limit
>
> Here is a technical datasheet on 7545A:
>
> http://www.glue4you.com/PDF/Lord7545_TN001.pdf
>
> Michael
>
>
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Lord says that a 50ml cartridge will do 4.5 feet at 1/4" bead. I would buy
the 200ML and get 2 of them.
200 ml will do 19 ft. Rear windows are about 6.5 feet circumference fronts a
little more. The Windshield
is about the same as the door windows.
Order 4 extra mixing tips. This is also good for gluing the canopy top to
the fuse at the door
Frame area.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-8659p
614-834-5230f
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Window Glue
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
It's been a while and I only used it on the doors so far but I would
budget one kit for each side window and probably 2-3 for the windshield just
to be safe. Someone else may have a better recollection. I did the side
windows with Weldon and I was in such a rush that I forgot to put the
spacers in and had the windows much too low so now there is a transition
down to them. Really wish I had the Lord stuff for those.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Window Glue
Michael
The post and the links are greatly appreciated.
For clarity, how many tubes are require each side, door and main window.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-12-06, at 8:47 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
> Here is my original write-up that Kelley referred to......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Sausen On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:30 AM
> To: 'rv10-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: Window Glue
>
> I thought I would share my experience with an alternative glue for
adhering the windows. Based on a recommendation from Geoff Combs, I picked
up some Lord 7545A/E urethane adhesive rather than using the Weldon 10 we
are all familiar with.
>
> I did follow the standard process with the rear windows and after that
experience, along with forgetting my shims in the rush, I thought I would
look into the alternatives. After not really finding anything definitive
from the existing alternatives like Sikaflex I basically resigned myself to
use Weldon for the doors. As I got within a couple weeks of doing the door
windows Geoff had mentioned to me that he used something else for the window
adhesive that was very much suited for the task and didn't have the quick
cure times and viscosity issues of Weldon. I had forgot about it until he
had a brief blurb in one of his post a couple weeks back. So I got more
details from him and found a distributor that I could get the 50ML two part
cartridge. The stuff is comparable in price to the Weldon at about $13 a
kit and each 50ML kit will do a window easily. There is an additional cost
in that you need a gun which is about $30 but it will work with any two
part, 1:1, gun pack!
aged product. Each pak also comes with a self mixing dispensing nozzle so
you just stick it in the gun, put the nozzle on, and squeeze. Extra tips
are less than a buck and if you don't use the whole cartridge you just chuck
the tip and put the cap back on.
>
> I'm sure many of you are saying that you've heard this before but this
stuff is GREAT! It looks and acts similar to the Weldon but you get upwards
of 30min working time and it doesn't even sag! This stuff is made
specifically as a structural adhesive for plastics so it seems to be an
excellent product for this application.
>
> Not wanting to completely trust what I read I decided to a little
non-scientific destructive testing. I didn't have a piece of scrap
fiberglass anymore but I did have plenty of scrap plexi from trimming the
windows so I took two pieces and glued an overlap of about 1.5x1.5 inch on
two pieces of scrap. Cure time for this stuff is about 24 hours but I let
it sit for about a week. This stuff doesn't get as rock hard as Weldon but
it isn't flexible either. I took the glued piece and put it in the vise on
its edge and tried to separate it in full edge shear (not really sure how to
describe it but was the most difficult way to break it) and the plexi broke
clear of the glue joint. I then turned it flat and tried to peel it apart
and again the plexi broke away from the glue joint. So far the glue joint
hasn't budged. I then took a hammer and beat the crap out of the remaining
square which was basically just the glued area. After several whacks with
the framing hammer I wa!
s finally able to get it to break into 3 pieces without ANY separation of
the glue joint. I've attached a few pictures below so you can see what I'm
talking about.
>
> Here is a link to the distributor I got it from. This page also has a
link to the gun you need and extra tips if you want them. Keep in mind each
pack comes with one tip too.
>
> http://chemical-concepts.com/products.php?sid=192&limit
>
> Here is a technical datasheet on 7545A:
>
> http://www.glue4you.com/PDF/Lord7545_TN001.pdf
>
> Michael
>
>
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> <CIMG2083.JPG>
> <CIMG2089.JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Window Glue |
Geoff, I'm struggling to track down the Lord urethane adhesive here in Sout
h Australia, could you please indicate if its retailed through a specific a
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Window Glue |
I am considering selling it to builders.
I will know here by the end of the week.
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone Geoff
On Dec 7, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Patrick Pulis <rv10free2fly@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Geoff, I'm struggling to track down the Lord urethane adhesive here in Sou
th Australia, could you please indicate if its retailed through a specific a
gency or alternatively, would you consider supplying it to builders?
>
> Regards
>
> Patrick Pulis
> Adelaide
> South Australia
>
> From: Geoff Combs <g.combs@aerosportmodeling.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 6:12 AM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Window Glue
>
com>
>
> Lord says that a 50ml cartridge will do 4.5 feet at 1/4" bead. I would buy
> the 200ML and get 2 of them.
> 200 ml will do 19 ft. Rear windows are about 6.5 feet circumference fronts
a
> little more. The Windshield
> is about the same as the door windows.
> Order 4 extra mixing tips. This is also good for gluing the canopy top to
> the fuse at the door
> Frame area.
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
> Geoff Combs
> Aerosport
> 8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
> Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
> 614-834-8659p
> 614-834-5230f
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen)
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:04 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: Window Glue
>
> --> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> It's been a while and I only used it on the doors so far but I would
> budget one kit for each side window and probably 2-3 for the windshield ju
st
> to be safe. Someone else may have a better recollection. I did the side
> windows with Weldon and I was in such a rush that I forgot to put the
> spacers in and had the windows much too low so now there is a transition
> down to them. Really wish I had the Lord stuff for those.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:31 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: Window Glue
>
>
> Michael
>
> The post and the links are greatly appreciated.
>
> For clarity, how many tubes are require each side, door and main window.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2011-12-06, at 8:47 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
>
> > Here is my original write-up that Kelley referred to......
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Sausen On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:30 AM
> > To: 'rv10-list@matronics.com'
> > Subject: Window Glue
> >
> > I thought I would share my experience with an alternative glue for
> adhering the windows. Based on a recommendation from Geoff Combs, I picke
d
> up some Lord 7545A/E urethane adhesive rather than using the Weldon 10 we
> are all familiar with.
> >
> > I did follow the standard process with the rear windows and after that
> experience, along with forgetting my shims in the rush, I thought I would
> look into the alternatives. After not really finding anything definitive
> from the existing alternatives like Sikaflex I basically resigned myself t
o
> use Weldon for the doors. As I got within a couple weeks of doing the doo
r
> windows Geoff had mentioned to me that he used something else for the wind
ow
> adhesive that was very much suited for the task and didn't have the quick
> cure times and viscosity issues of Weldon. I had forgot about it until he
> had a brief blurb in one of his post a couple weeks back. So I got more
> details from him and found a distributor that I could get the 50ML two par
t
> cartridge. The stuff is comparable in price to the Weldon at about $13 a
> kit and each 50ML kit will do a window easily. There is an additional cos
t
> in that you need a gun which is about $30 but it will work with any two
> part, 1:1, gun pack!
>
> aged product. Each pak also comes with a self mixing dispensing nozzle so
> you just stick it in the gun, put the nozzle on, and squeeze. Extra tips
> are less than a buck and if you don't use the whole cartridge you just chu
ck
> the tip and put the cap back on.
> >
> > I'm sure many of you are saying that you've heard this before but this
> stuff is GREAT! It looks and acts similar to the Weldon but you get upwar
ds
> of 30min working time and it doesn't even sag! This stuff is made
> specifically as a structural adhesive for plastics so it seems to be an
> excellent product for this application.
> >
> > Not wanting to completely trust what I read I decided to a little
> non-scientific destructive testing. I didn't have a piece of scrap
> fiberglass anymore but I did have plenty of scrap plexi from trimming the
> windows so I took two pieces and glued an overlap of about 1.5x1.5 inch on
> two pieces of scrap. Cure time for this stuff is about 24 hours but I let
> it sit for about a week. This stuff doesn't get as rock hard as Weldon bu
t
> it isn't flexible either. I took the glued piece and put it in the vise o
n
> its edge and tried to separate it in full edge shear (not really sure how t
o
> describe it but was the most difficult way to break it) and the plexi brok
e
> clear of the glue joint. I then turned it flat and tried to peel it apart
> and again the plexi broke away from the glue joint. So far the glue joint
> hasn't budged. I then took a hammer and beat the crap out of the remainin
g
> square which was basically just the glued area. After several whacks with
> the framing hammer I wa!
>
> s finally able to get it to break into 3 pieces without ANY separation of
> the glue joint. I've attached a few pictures below so you can see what I'
m
> talking about.
> >
> > Here is a link to the distributor I got it from. This page also has a
> link to the gun you need and extra tips if you want them. Keep in mind ea
ch
> pack comes with one tip too.
> >
> > http://chemical-concepts.com/products.php?sid=192&limit
> >
> > Here is a technical datasheet on 7545A:
> >
> > http://www.glue4you.com/PDF/Lord7545_TN001.pdf
> >
> > Michael
> >
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