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1. 05:38 AM - Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (Jesse Saint)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (johngoodman)
3. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Engine order blues (Jeff Nichols)
4. 09:54 AM - 500 hours with no ignition boost (Dan Masys)
5. 11:48 AM - Re: 500 hours with no ignition boost (rv10flyer)
6. 12:02 PM - Re: 500 hours with no ignition boost (Bob Turner)
7. 12:02 PM - Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (rv10flyer)
8. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: Engine order blues (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: Engine order blues (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (Robin Marks)
13. 12:55 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
14. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (davidsoutpost@comcast.net)
15. 01:44 PM - Re: New electronic ignition (Albert Gardner)
16. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (Jesse Saint)
17. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (Les Kearney)
18. 03:47 PM - Re: New electronic ignition (Michael Kraus)
19. 04:38 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (Robin Marks)
21. 06:55 PM - Re: New electronic ignition (David Maib)
22. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (Bob Leffler)
23. 08:26 PM - Re: New electronic ignition (Robert Brunkenhoefer)
24. 08:32 PM - Re: Baron Mobile Link? (greghale)
25. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner (Les Kearney)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner |
Speaking of which, I just went through my boxes of stuff and found that
I have 2-4 full flap positioning systems that I will not be using. I
will let them go for a good price (half of Van's price) plus shipping.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Dec 9, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Patrick Pulis wrote:
> Could anyone tell me what flap positioning system they've used?
>
> Should I install the stock standard Vans flap positioner or
alternatively the FPS-Plus Reflex unit from Aircraft Extras Inc.?
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> Many thanks in anticipation.
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> Pat
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner |
[quote="rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com"]Could anyone tell me what flap positioning system
they've used?
Should I install the stock standard Vans flap positioner or alternatively the
FPS-Plus Reflex unit from Aircraft Extras Inc.?
Many thanks in anticipation.
Pat
> [b]
I used the Vertical Power VP-200 instead. You simply put a Ray Allen position sensor
on it and the VP does the rest. It reminds me to raise the flaps for takeoff,
and won't extend them if the airspeed is too high. You can make the increments
any angle you want.
John
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#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
My used engine came with LASER ignition system installed. Does anyone have a
ny experience with this system as I am not flying yet and do plan on using i
t. I believe it is electronic with mag backup.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 9, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good luck getting PMags for a Lyc 540 as they do not exist. You options a
re to go with a Lightspeed electronic ignition or Mags.
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> Jim Combs
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| Subject: | 500 hours with no ignition boost |
My RV-10 has been flying since 2007 with a factory new Lycoming IO-540 with Slick
Mags. It always started well when cold, and was a little tricky to start when
something other than cold (either some middle temperature or the classic hot
start with fuel boiling in the injector lines). But is was all pretty workable
until about 480 flight hours when it just would not fire up when flown just
a few minutes to some middle engine temp between stone cold and very hot.
Pulled both of the mags and got them rebuilt at 500 hrs as part of the annual condition
inspection, and discovered something I guess I should have picked up
on five hundred hours ago: neither mag on the Lyc IO-450 D4A5 has an impulse
coupling in it, though both of them have the collar that caused both me and several
A&P's to guess that I had not one, but two impulse couplings. And the left
Slick mag has the extra stud on it for attaching a SlickStart unit. (Of course,
there was never the distinctive 'clack' of an impulse coupling, but what
did I know -- perhaps Slick had some new silent technology hidden in those mag
collars.)
Suffice it to say, my IO-540 now has a SlickStart that totally solved the starting
problem, but I wonder how did this all fall through the cracks during the
original build? Nowhere in Van's instructions from 2007 does it say that if you
get a factory new IO-540 through them that you will also need to add a SlickStart
to complete the firewall forward installation.
I'm guessing I am not the only RV-10 builder to whom this mini-revelation might
apply. So if you've got dual Slick mags on an engine you bought new through
Van's, there is an additional ignition accessory you might or might not have known
to add to your build.
On the other hand, I did get a rather amazing 500 flight hours from a new IO-540
that was able to get going without any ignition boost.
-Dan Masys
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| Subject: | Re: 500 hours with no ignition boost |
You must have the fast turning lightweight starter and Odyssey pc925 battery like
me. I wonder if your battery needs replacing. This would occur about now.
I really like my slick start. It will jump a good 1/2" gap to ground when I tested
mine.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
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| Subject: | Re: 500 hours with no ignition boost |
I'll admit, I made the same mistake. I discovered it when I first drained the preservation
oil and turned the prop over by hand, and said, "Where's the click?".
Only then did I research the mags and find they had retard breakers but no
impulse coupling (actually, just the left mag). So I bought the Slick start then.
The paperwork from Vans is a little unclear; as I recall it says "Slick start recommended".
No where did it mention that there were no impulse couplings, so
that the Slick start was really required.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner |
I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yoy choose
that route.
When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place. I have
the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle position twice
to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. It is just
one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not have the money
for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more circuit boards
you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you better know your
stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+ hvac systems.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner |
Before I went with the VP-200, I was planning on that Aircraft Extras unit.
Rich is great to work with and I have his fuel guardian unit and I'm about to
get the LCD button to use as a warn for different alerts.
Michael
On Dec 10, 2011, at 8:59 AM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> [quote="rv10free2fly(at)yahoo.com"]Could anyone tell me what flap positioning
system they've used?
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> Should I install the stock standard Vans flap positioner or alternatively the
FPS-Plus Reflex unit from Aircraft Extras Inc.?
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> Many thanks in anticipation.
>
> Pat
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>> [b]
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> I used the Vertical Power VP-200 instead. You simply put a Ray Allen position
sensor on it and the VP does the rest. It reminds me to raise the flaps for takeoff,
and won't extend them if the airspeed is too high. You can make the increments
any angle you want.
> John
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> #40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
Tell them that I recommended the light speed and you'll get an even more animated
response! Seriously though, great family to deal with.
Michael
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:11 PM, "Michael Kraus" <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
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> Let me know what Barrett says when you tell them you want to use Lightspeed.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:34 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
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>> congrats on the Barrett! They are a great builder and great with support. You
will be very happy with that decision.
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>> -----Original Message----- From: woxofswa
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:00 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine order blues
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>> After researching the various options currently available and watching the prices
steadily escalate, I ended up ordering a core rebuild from Barrett Precision
Engines. For my needs and budget, it seemed like the most bang for the buck.
I still have some time to decide final configuration, but right now I'm planning
standard compression (for future fuel unknowns), overhauled certified
FI, and Pmags.
>> I'm building a cruiser, not a racer.
>> Thanks to everyone for their comments and suggestions. For those early in the
build process, good luck (and start saving).
>>
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>> Myron Nelson
>> Mesa, AZ
>> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing
kit in progress.
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>> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner |
I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my buddies cold
(freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues on the Cozy MKIV we
built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board that has been nothing but trouble,,,,
and you really need to know that stuff when it fails. And yes,,,,you
are grounded until fixed. The last time it failed it took an electronic engineer
from Visteon who is a good friend to fix it! No Thanks. Not bashing VP at all.
Its just not for me.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yoy choose
that route.
When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place. I have
the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle position twice
to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. It is just
one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not have the money
for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more circuit boards
you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you better know your
stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+ hvac systems.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360632#360632
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| Subject: | Re: Engine order blues |
Klaus as a personality is a dick to deal with, that's why I was the last person
that Barrett put a lightspeed on. Ignoring Klaus's personality his product
is well proven. P/E Mag had TONS of problems when they came out that are well
documented.
For every person that says they pulled their light speed there is probably 2-3
that pulled their p-mag. But that was then and they have improved their product
greatly.
Bottom line, do your research and base your decision on history and performance
not just the guy selling it. There is no place to pull over at 10,000 feet.
Michael
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:03 PM, "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@verizon.net> wrote:
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> I would be amazed if any engine builder still endorses Lightspeed.
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> I replaced a dual Lightspeed install in my 8A with dual P-mags a few years
> ago and an very pleased with the Pmags. If anyone is interested I'll send
> my experience with Klaus and why I pulled his ignition out off my plane off
> line.
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> Just got a note from Brad at eMag - providing some confidence on his
> shipping me the two 6 cylinder units in the near future. The plane is
> painted and I'm now in the final panel wire and bolt on phase so I'm hopeful
> the timing works.
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> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 1:56 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Engine order blues
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> Let me know what Barrett says when you tell them you want to use Lightspeed.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:34 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer@verizon.net> wrote:
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>> congrats on the Barrett! They are a great builder and great with support.
> You will be very happy with that decision.
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>> -----Original Message----- From: woxofswa
>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:00 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Engine order blues
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>> After researching the various options currently available and watching the
> prices steadily escalate, I ended up ordering a core rebuild from Barrett
> Precision Engines. For my needs and budget, it seemed like the most bang for
> the buck. I still have some time to decide final configuration, but right
> now I'm planning standard compression (for future fuel unknowns), overhauled
> certified FI, and Pmags.
>> I'm building a cruiser, not a racer.
>> Thanks to everyone for their comments and suggestions. For those early in
> the build process, good luck (and start saving).
>>
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>> Myron Nelson
>> Mesa, AZ
>> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done,
> finishing kit in progress.
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Not exactly apples to apples though. Blue Mountain had a short and sorted
history and I would compare them more to Jan and his engine building escapa
des than a company like VP.
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 10, 2011, at 2:40 PM, "davidsoutpost@comcast.net<mailto:davidsoutpos
t@comcast.net>" <davidsoutpost@comcast.net<mailto:davidsoutpost@comcast.net
>> wrote:
I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my buddies
cold (freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues on the Cozy
MKIV we built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board that has been not
hing but trouble,,,, and you really need to know that stuff when it fails.
And yes,,,,you are grounded until fixed. The last time it failed it took
an electronic engineer from Visteon who is a good friend to fix it! No Tha
nks. Not bashing VP at all. Its just not for me.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
________________________________
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com<mailto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.c
om>>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
lto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>>
I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yoy c
hoose that route.
When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place. I
have the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle positio
n twice to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. I
t is just one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not have t
he money for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more circ
uit boards you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you bet
ter know your stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+ h
vac systems.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
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Very well aware that these are two different products from two different companies.
Point being at least for me is that there is no way I am willing to let one
single electronic component control all the electronics in my plane. Not bashing
VP or those that go this route. Just saying that if it takes a crap for
whatever reason while your away from home,,,,your gonna be hard pressed to get
back in the air anytime soon.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:52:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
Not exactly apples to apples though. Blue Mountain had a short and sorted history
and I would compare them more to Jan and his engine building escapades than
a company like VP.
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 10, 2011, at 2:40 PM, " davidsoutpost@comcast.net " < davidsoutpost@comcast.net
> wrote:
I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my buddies cold
(freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues on the Cozy MKIV we
built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board that has been nothing but trouble,,,,
and you really need to know that stuff when it fails. And yes,,,,you
are grounded until fixed. The last time it failed it took an electronic engineer
from Visteon who is a good friend to fix it! No Thanks. Not bashing VP at all.
Its just not for me.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: "rv10flyer" < wayne.gillispie@gmail.com >
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yoy choose
that route.
When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place. I have
the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle position twice
to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. It is just
one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not have the money
for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more circuit boards
you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you better know your
stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+ hvac systems.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360632#360632
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| Subject: | New electronic ignition |
I've had a Slick mag and a Lightspeed Plasma ignition on my RV-10 since new with
over 660 hours on it now. A coil went bad and needed to be replaced and just
recently I added the panel meter that displays rpm/mp/advance and the meter was
intermittent. Worked directly with Klaus both times and could not be more impressed
with his support. The Lightspeed unit is great, works well, and has been
very reliable. Can't say the same for the Slick mag.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner |
I agree completely with this. I just finished wiring an airframe with a
VP-200. It took 2 days from start to finish. There is absolutely no way
I could have done that the traditional way, with the bus bars, switches,
breakers, etc. The VP keeps it clean and makes it easy, as well as
giving a lot more information about a problem when you have it. In over
2,000 hours flown on VP's that I have installed, I have had to send a
total of one unit back to VP for repair, and have never had a completely
dead unit. As Robin said, you can't lump quality equipment made by VP
with "nothing-but-headache" stuff from BM.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> I don't think you can lump VP and BMA in the same category. One is
exceptionally well thought out and tested system while the other is a
"let's start selling it and then work on finishing the development over
promising while under delivering. I don't own a VP because my -10 build
was too early but it is an impressive system. I kick myself for not
adding it to my 8A build.
>
> Respectfully,
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Ofdavidsoutpost@comcast.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:29 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
>
> I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my
buddies cold (freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues
on the Cozy MKIV we built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board
that has been nothing but trouble,,,, and you really need to know that
stuff when it fails. And yes,,,,you are grounded until fixed. The last
time it failed it took an electronic engineer from Visteon who is a good
friend to fix it! No Thanks. Not bashing VP at all. Its just not for
me.
>
> David Clifford
>
> RV-10 Builder
> Howell, MI
>
> From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
>
<wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>
>
> I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if
yoy choose that route.
>
> When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in
place. I have the same problem as others with having to hit the down
toggle position twice to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with
micro switches. It is just one more thing to go bad...more
money/wire/weight.
>
> VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not
have the money for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the
more circuit boards you put on something the more expensive it is to fix
and you better know your stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not
sell 16 seer+ hvac systems.
>
> --------
> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
> Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
> N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360632#360632
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Hi
This is one topic that I can add a bit of perspective. I have just powered
up the avionics on my -10 that uses a VP-X integrated with am AFS 4500 EFIS
screens with the avionics backbone being provided by Approach Systems Fast
Stack. No smoke and lots of pretty displays!
All the wiring was done by me, myself and I. Although I have read everything
on the VP-X etc, I was amazed at how simple the wiring was done. With Tim
Hass's Fast Stack, I was left with wiring sensors, power lead, antennas etc.
I started slowly as I was learning as I went but by the end I was pretty
confident as to how things would turn out. There is still a lot of work
involved in wiring - I was surprised about the amount of wire that goes to
the tail.
After seeing how the VP-X spins up on the EFIS, how easy it is to define
circuits and how they operate, how the number of high energy wires being
switched was reduced (all the VP-X switches are to ground), I can't imagine
using a traditional bus bar for my avionics etc. It was beyond cool watching
the avionics turn on, box by box, as I changed the VP-X configuration
settings on the EFIS.
With any system, it is wise to think about failure modse. I my case, if the
VP-X fails I need only replace the box. Even if this happened in flight, my
EFIS screens have internal backup batteries so it shouldn't be a huge issue.
A final note, the support from Marc (VP) and Tim (Approach Systems) has been
stellar. Both have been very helpful getting up a steep learning curve.
Cheers
Les
#40643
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: December-10-11 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
I agree completely with this. I just finished wiring an airframe with a
VP-200. It took 2 days from start to finish. There is absolutely no way I
could have done that the traditional way, with the bus bars, switches,
breakers, etc. The VP keeps it clean and makes it easy, as well as giving a
lot more information about a problem when you have it. In over 2,000 hours
flown on VP's that I have installed, I have had to send a total of one unit
back to VP for repair, and have never had a completely dead unit. As Robin
said, you can't lump quality equipment made by VP with
"nothing-but-headache" stuff from BM.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
I don't think you can lump VP and BMA in the same category. One is
exceptionally well thought out and tested system while the other is a "let's
start selling it and then work on finishing the development over promising
while under delivering. I don't own a VP because my -10 build was too early
but it is an impressive system. I kick myself for not adding it to my 8A
build.
Respectfully,
Robin
Do Not Archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Ofdavidsoutpost@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my buddies
cold (freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues on the Cozy
MKIV we built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board that has been
nothing but trouble,,,, and you really need to know that stuff when it
fails. And yes,,,,you are grounded until fixed. The last time it failed it
took an electronic engineer from Visteon who is a good friend to fix it! No
Thanks. Not bashing VP at all. Its just not for me.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
_____
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yoy
choose that route.
When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place. I
have the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle position
twice to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. It
is just one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not have
the money for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more
circuit boards you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you
better know your stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+
hvac systems.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
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| Subject: | Re: New electronic ignition |
You must be the one guy that got along with Klaus....
I sent him my flywheel to drill in the magnets, he drilled them in the wrong spot,
and he blamed it on me?!?!? I didn't specify where they needed to be, he tells
me?!?! Then he hangs up on me after he said it wasn't his problem?!?!
Excuse me, I thought the guy who designed the system would know where they'd go,
and if there was a question, I thought he'd ask....
I'm not sure how many times you have had your prop on and off, but it's no small
task and thanks to Klaus it has been more than I'd like....
-Mike Kraus
RV-10 61 hours
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 10, 2011, at 4:40 PM, "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> I've had a Slick mag and a Lightspeed Plasma ignition on my RV-10 since new with
over 660 hours on it now. A coil went bad and needed to be replaced and just
recently I added the panel meter that displays rpm/mp/advance and the meter
was intermittent. Worked directly with Klaus both times and could not be more
impressed with his support. The Lightspeed unit is great, works well, and has
been very reliable. Can't say the same for the Slick mag.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
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No master avionics switch for you then. :)
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:48 PM, "davidsoutpost@comcast.net<mailto:davidsoutpos
t@comcast.net>" <davidsoutpost@comcast.net<mailto:davidsoutpost@comcast.net
>> wrote:
Very well aware that these are two different products from two different co
mpanies. Point being at least for me is that there is no way I am willing
to let one single electronic component control all the electronics in my pl
ane. Not bashing VP or those that go this route. Just saying that if it t
akes a crap for whatever reason while your away from home,,,,your gonna be
hard pressed to get back in the air anytime soon.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
________________________________
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net<mailto:rvbuilder@
sausen.net>>
matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:52:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
Not exactly apples to apples though. Blue Mountain had a short and sorted
history and I would compare them more to Jan and his engine building escapa
des than a company like VP.
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 10, 2011, at 2:40 PM, "davidsoutpost@comcast.net<mailto:davidsoutpos
t@comcast.net>" <davidsoutpost@comcast.net<mailto:davidsoutpost@comcast.net
>> wrote:
I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my buddies
cold (freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues on the Cozy
MKIV we built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board that has been not
hing but trouble,,,, and you really need to know that stuff when it fails.
And yes,,,,you are grounded until fixed. The last time it failed it took
an electronic engineer from Visteon who is a good friend to fix it! No Tha
nks. Not bashing VP at all. Its just not for me.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
________________________________
From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com<mailto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.c
om>>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
lto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>>
I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yoy c
hoose that route.
When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place. I
have the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle positio
n twice to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. I
t is just one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not have t
he money for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more circ
uit boards you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you bet
ter know your stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+ h
vac systems.
--------
Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
Read this topic online here:
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Les,
If you replace the box do you have to reprogram anything/everything? I assu
me they have some system in place for this?
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:26 PM, "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca<mailto:kearney@
shaw.ca>> wrote:
Hi
This is one topic that I can add a bit of perspective. I have just powered
up the avionics on my -10 that uses a VP-X integrated with am AFS 4500 EFIS
screens with the avionics backbone being provided by Approach Systems Fast
Stack. No smoke and lots of pretty displays!
All the wiring was done by me, myself and I. Although I have read everythin
g on the VP-X etc, I was amazed at how simple the wiring was done. With Tim
Hass's Fast Stack, I was left with wiring sensors, power lead, antennas et
c. I started slowly as I was learning as I went but by the end I was pretty
confident as to how things would turn out. There is still a lot of work in
volved in wiring - I was surprised about the amount of wire that goes to th
e tail.
After seeing how the VP-X spins up on the EFIS, how easy it is to define ci
rcuits and how they operate, how the number of high energy wires being swit
ched was reduced (all the VP-X switches are to ground), I can't imagine usi
ng a traditional bus bar for my avionics etc. It was beyond cool watching t
he avionics turn on, box by box, as I changed the VP-X configuration settin
gs on the EFIS.
With any system, it is wise to think about failure modse. I my case, if the
VP-X fails I need only replace the box. Even if this happened in flight, m
y EFIS screens have internal backup batteries so it shouldn't be a huge iss
ue.
A final note, the support from Marc (VP) and Tim (Approach Systems) has bee
n stellar. Both have been very helpful getting up a steep learning curve.
Cheers
Les
#40643
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ma
tronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jes
se Saint
Sent: December-10-11 2:41 PM
st@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
I agree completely with this. I just finished wiring an airframe with a VP-
200. It took 2 days from start to finish. There is absolutely no way I coul
d have done that the traditional way, with the bus bars, switches, breakers
, etc. The VP keeps it clean and makes it easy, as well as giving a lot mor
e information about a problem when you have it. In over 2,000 hours flown o
n VP's that I have installed, I have had to send a total of one unit back t
o VP for repair, and have never had a completely dead unit. As Robin said,
you can't lump quality equipment made by VP with "nothing-but-headache" stu
ff from BM.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>jesse@saintaviation.com<mailto:jesse@sainta
viation.com>
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
I don't think you can lump VP and BMA in the same category. One is exceptio
nally well thought out and tested system while the other is a "let's start
selling it and then work on finishing the development over promising while
under delivering. I don't own a VP because my -10 build was too early but i
t is an impressive system. I kick myself for not adding it to my 8A build.
Respectfully,
Robin
Do Not Archive
From: <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com<mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv
10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of<mailto:davidsoutpost@comcast.net
>davidsoutpost@comcast.net<mailto:davidsoutpost@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:29 PM
st@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my buddies
cold (freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues on the Cozy
MKIV we built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board that has been not
hing but trouble,,,, and you really need to know that stuff when it fails.
And yes,,,,you are grounded until fixed. The last time it failed it took
an electronic engineer from Visteon who is a good friend to fix it! No Tha
nks. Not bashing VP at all. Its just not for me.
David Clifford
RV-10 Builder
Howell, MI
________________________________
From: "rv10flyer" <<mailto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>wayne.gillispie@gmail.
com<mailto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>>
st@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
.com>wayne.gillispie@gmail.com<mailto:wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>>
I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yoy c
hoose that route.
When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place. I
have the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle positio
n twice to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. I
t is just one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not have t
he money for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more circ
uit boards you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you bet
ter know your stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+ h
vac systems.
--------
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Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
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I guess I am the second guy that has gotten along fine with Klaus.
One minor problem with the crank sensor during the build was
immediately corrected with no unpleasant issues. As a matter of fact,
Klaus brought the new sensor to Sun n' Fun that year and delivered it
to me in person. As most have noted, the performance of the
Lightspeed has been flawless with 440 hours to date. I am not
doubting the people who have had issues with him, (there have been
plenty!) but my experience with Klaus has been fine. I don't know if
you just have to catch him on a good day, or what.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Dec 10, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Michael Kraus wrote:
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>
> You must be the one guy that got along with Klaus....
>
> I sent him my flywheel to drill in the magnets, he drilled them in
> the wrong spot, and he blamed it on me?!?!? I didn't specify where
> they needed to be, he tells me?!?! Then he hangs up on me after he
> said it wasn't his problem?!?!
>
> Excuse me, I thought the guy who designed the system would know
> where they'd go, and if there was a question, I thought he'd ask....
>
> I'm not sure how many times you have had your prop on and off, but
> it's no small task and thanks to Klaus it has been more than I'd
> like....
>
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-10 61 hours
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 10, 2011, at 4:40 PM, "Albert Gardner"
> <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>> <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
>>
>> I've had a Slick mag and a Lightspeed Plasma ignition on my RV-10
>> since new with over 660 hours on it now. A coil went bad and
>> needed to be replaced and just recently I added the panel meter
>> that displays rpm/mp/advance and the meter was intermittent.
>> Worked directly with Klaus both times and could not be more
>> impressed with his support. The Lightspeed unit is great, works
>> well, and has been very reliable. Can't say the same for the Slick
>> mag.
>> Albert Gardner
>> N991RV
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner |
Just like most efis, you can save the configuration.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 10, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
Les,
If you replace the box do you have to reprogram anything/everything? I assum
e they have some system in place for this?
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:26 PM, "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi
>
> This is one topic that I can add a bit of perspective. I have just powered
up the avionics on my -10 that uses a VP-X integrated with am AFS 4500 EFIS
screens with the avionics backbone being provided by Approach Systems Fast S
tack. No smoke and lots of pretty displays!
>
> All the wiring was done by me, myself and I. Although I have read everythi
ng on the VP-X etc, I was amazed at how simple the wiring was done. With Tim
Hass's Fast Stack, I was left with wiring sensors, power lead, antennas etc
. I started slowly as I was learning as I went but by the end I was pretty c
onfident as to how things would turn out. There is still a lot of work invol
ved in wiring - I was surprised about the amount of wire that goes to the ta
il.
>
> After seeing how the VP-X spins up on the EFIS, how easy it is to define c
ircuits and how they operate, how the number of high energy wires being swit
ched was reduced (all the VP-X switches are to ground), I can't imagine usin
g a traditional bus bar for my avionics etc. It was beyond cool watching the
avionics turn on, box by box, as I changed the VP-X configuration settings o
n the EFIS.
>
> With any system, it is wise to think about failure modse. I my case, if th
e VP-X fails I need only replace the box. Even if this happened in flight, m
y EFIS screens have internal backup batteries so it shouldn't be a huge issu
e.
>
> A final note, the support from Marc (VP) and Tim (Approach Systems) has be
en stellar. Both have been very helpful getting up a steep learning curve.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
> #40643
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: December-10-11 2:41 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
>
> I agree completely with this. I just finished wiring an airframe with a VP
-200. It took 2 days from start to finish. There is absolutely no way I coul
d have done that the traditional way, with the bus bars, switches, breakers,
etc. The VP keeps it clean and makes it easy, as well as giving a lot more i
nformation about a problem when you have it. In over 2,000 hours flown on VP
's that I have installed, I have had to send a total of one unit back to VP f
or repair, and have never had a completely dead unit. As Robin said, you can
't lump quality equipment made by VP with "nothing-but-headache" stuff from B
M.
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> C: 352-427-0285
> F: 815-377-3694
>
> On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>> I don't think you can lump VP and BMA in the same category. One is except
ionally well thought out and tested system while the other is a "let's start
selling it and then work on finishing the development over promising while u
nder delivering. I don't own a VP because my -10 build was too early but it i
s an impressive system. I kick myself for not adding it to my 8A build.
>> Respectfully,
>> Robin
>> Do Not Archive
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Ofdavidsoutpost@comcast.net
>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:29 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
>> I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my buddi
es cold (freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues on the Coz
y MKIV we built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board that has been not
hing but trouble,,,, and you really need to know that stuff when it fails. A
nd yes,,,,you are grounded until fixed. The last time it failed it took an e
lectronic engineer from Visteon who is a good friend to fix it! No Thanks.
Not bashing VP at all. Its just not for me.
>>
>> David Clifford
>>
>> RV-10 Builder
>> Howell, MI
>>
>> From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
>>
>>
>> I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yoy
choose that route.
>>
>> When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place.
I have the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle positi
on twice to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. I
t is just one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
>>
>> VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not have
the money for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more cir
cuit boards you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you bet
ter know your stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+ hv
ac systems.
>>
>> --------
>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
>> Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
>> N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New electronic ignition |
Lightspeed has worked for me with no problems for 350hours. My dealings with Klaus
have been cordial and professional. I am glad I installed his ignition system.
I have nothing but good things to say about him and his product. Robert RV
10 N661G.
Robert Brunkenhoefer
Sent from my Apple iPad
On Dec 10, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:
>
> You must be the one guy that got along with Klaus....
>
> I sent him my flywheel to drill in the magnets, he drilled them in the wrong
spot, and he blamed it on me?!?!? I didn't specify where they needed to be, he
tells me?!?! Then he hangs up on me after he said it wasn't his problem?!?!
>
> Excuse me, I thought the guy who designed the system would know where they'd
go, and if there was a question, I thought he'd ask....
>
> I'm not sure how many times you have had your prop on and off, but it's no small
task and thanks to Klaus it has been more than I'd like....
>
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-10 61 hours
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 10, 2011, at 4:40 PM, "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've had a Slick mag and a Lightspeed Plasma ignition on my RV-10 since new
with over 660 hours on it now. A coil went bad and needed to be replaced and just
recently I added the panel meter that displays rpm/mp/advance and the meter
was intermittent. Worked directly with Klaus both times and could not be more
impressed with his support. The Lightspeed unit is great, works well, and has
been very reliable. Can't say the same for the Slick mag.
>> Albert Gardner
>> N991RV
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Baron Mobile Link? |
I have the baron mobile link using the USB adapter to my XM rcvr. The ipad recognizes
the wireless "mobile link" and connects with the rcvr. The weather is
downloaded every 5 minutes so it may take a few minutes before you actually get
the weather display. It then refreshes every 5 minutes after.
All the weather functions on Foreflight work in the air using the mobile link.
Taping on an airport on the chart will bring up the airport page with the weather
for that airport.
Greg...
--------
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www.nwacaptain.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360659#360659
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner |
Robin
I am still in setup mode but there is a facility to save / restore the setup
on a SD card. This part of the EFIS. That being said, I expect that I could
redo the setup quite quickly from my docs.
It really seems quite straightforward.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2011-12-10, at 5:48 PM, Robin Marks <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
> Les,
> If you replace the box do you have to reprogram anything/everything? I ass
ume they have some system in place for this?
>
> Robin
>
> Sent from my iPad2.
>
> On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:26 PM, "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> This is one topic that I can add a bit of perspective. I have just powere
d up the avionics on my -10 that uses a VP-X integrated with am AFS 4500 EFI
S screens with the avionics backbone being provided by Approach Systems Fast
Stack. No smoke and lots of pretty displays!
>>
>> All the wiring was done by me, myself and I. Although I have read everyth
ing on the VP-X etc, I was amazed at how simple the wiring was done. With Ti
m Hass's Fast Stack, I was left with wiring sensors, power lead, antennas et
c. I started slowly as I was learning as I went but by the end I was pretty c
onfident as to how things would turn out. There is still a lot of work invol
ved in wiring - I was surprised about the amount of wire that goes to the ta
il.
>>
>> After seeing how the VP-X spins up on the EFIS, how easy it is to define c
ircuits and how they operate, how the number of high energy wires being swit
ched was reduced (all the VP-X switches are to ground), I can't imagine usin
g a traditional bus bar for my avionics etc. It was beyond cool watching the
avionics turn on, box by box, as I changed the VP-X configuration settings o
n the EFIS.
>>
>> With any system, it is wise to think about failure modse. I my case, if t
he VP-X fails I need only replace the box. Even if this happened in flight, m
y EFIS screens have internal backup batteries so it shouldn't be a huge issu
e.
>>
>> A final note, the support from Marc (VP) and Tim (Approach Systems) has b
een stellar. Both have been very helpful getting up a steep learning curve.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Les
>> #40643
>>
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
>> Sent: December-10-11 2:41 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
>>
>> I agree completely with this. I just finished wiring an airframe with a V
P-200. It took 2 days from start to finish. There is absolutely no way I cou
ld have done that the traditional way, with the bus bars, switches, breakers
, etc. The VP keeps it clean and makes it easy, as well as giving a lot more
information about a problem when you have it. In over 2,000 hours flown on V
P's that I have installed, I have had to send a total of one unit back to VP
for repair, and have never had a completely dead unit. As Robin said, you c
an't lump quality equipment made by VP with "nothing-but-headache" stuff fro
m BM.
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> C: 352-427-0285
>> F: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think you can lump VP and BMA in the same category. One is excep
tionally well thought out and tested system while the other is a "let's star
t selling it and then work on finishing the development over promising while
under delivering. I don't own a VP because my -10 build was too early but i
t is an impressive system. I kick myself for not adding it to my 8A build.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Robin
>>> Do Not Archive
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
r@matronics.com] On Behalf Ofdavidsoutpost@comcast.net
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:29 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
>>> I could not agree more with Wayne. Yesterday I spent the day at my budd
ies cold (freezing) hanger to help trouble shoot electrical issues on the Co
zy MKIV we built. He went with a Blue Mountain power board that has been no
thing but trouble,,,, and you really need to know that stuff when it fails.
And yes,,,,you are grounded until fixed. The last time it failed it took a
n electronic engineer from Visteon who is a good friend to fix it! No Thank
s. Not bashing VP at all. Its just not for me.
>>>
>>> David Clifford
>>>
>>> RV-10 Builder
>>> Howell, MI
>>>
>>> From: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie@gmail.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:00:44 PM
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Flap Positioner
>>>
>>>
>>> I used the show planes from Vans like Jessie is selling. Good deal if yo
y choose that route.
>>>
>>> When it breaks it will be pulled out with a std flap switch put in place
. I have the same problem as others with having to hit the down toggle posit
ion twice to go from 18 to 33 degrees flaps. Has to do with micro switches. I
t is just one more thing to go bad...more money/wire/weight.
>>>
>>> VP is a nice system unless it goes out then your grounded. I did not hav
e the money for it anyway. I have learned with hvac systems that the more ci
rcuit boards you put on something the more expensive it is to fix and you be
tter know your stuff to fix it yourself. One reason I do not sell 16 seer+ h
vac systems.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
>>> Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
>>> N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> f="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>> ">www.buildersbooks.com
>> ref="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
>> f="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/cont
ribution
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