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1. 03:26 AM - Re: Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (Andrew Long)
2. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (Bob Leffler)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Save a few bucks on headsets (Kelly McMullen)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (DLM)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Save a few bucks on headsets (dmaib@me.com)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: Save a few bucks on headsets (AirMike)
7. 08:58 AM - Re: Save a few bucks on headsets (Robin Marks)
8. 10:44 AM - Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 10:47 AM - Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 10:55 AM - Re: Save a few bucks on headsets (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
11. 11:45 AM - ipad Accessory (Albert Gardner)
12. 12:09 PM - Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (Bob Turner)
13. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (Andrew Long)
14. 05:15 PM - Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (Jim Combs)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (Jim Combs)
16. 11:14 PM - Re: ipad Accessory (Bill Watson)
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
Thanks for your help. I appreciate it. Thanks.
Regards,
Andrew Long
www.ozrv10.com
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message posted by: LES KEARNEY <Kearney@shaw.ca>
>
>
> Andrew
>
> This manual show give you
the info you want regarding the AFS ap.
>
>
http://www.trutrakap.com/documents/AFS%20Pilot%20Installation%20Manual.pdf
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
From:
Andrew Long <along@aanet.com.au>
> Date: Sunday, December
11, 2011 10:07 pm
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast
Stack Based Panel
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> But you can dial in altitude and heading and AP will
>> follow correct? Which means that it runs independantly. That is
>> fine. I
>> would couple the Heading to the EFIS
and the Garmin GPS with an
>> ability to
>>
uncouple as per your setup. Then I have an independant AP if all
>> else is lost that can manually be tuned in.
>>
>> Do you know which
>> of the AP's from TruTrak
and/OR AFS do this? Do they all?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrew Long
>> www.ozrv10.com
>>
>> > -->
"Bob Turner"
>> <bobturner@alum.rpi.edu>
>> >
>> > Neither the TruTrak,
>>
nor the Trio, will fly an ILS without coupling to an
>> >
EFIS.
>> > If you get them with the GPSS/GPSV options, they
will fly an LPV
>> approach
>> > without an
EFIS. They need the GPS signal, of course,
>> to do this.
>> >
>> > Your EFIS needs to have an ARINC
>> interface to couple to them for the ILS.
>> >
>> > --------
>>
>> > Bob Turner
>> > RV-10 QB
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
Not entirely true. The Trutrak Sourcerer has the capability. But whether
the additional expense is worth the added value is another discussion.
Check out the following table.
http://www.trutrakap.com/autopilot2_2.html
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel
Neither the TruTrak, nor the Trio, will fly an ILS without coupling to an
EFIS.
If you get them with the GPSS/GPSV options, they will fly an LPV approach
without an EFIS. They need the GPS signal, of course, to do this.
Your EFIS needs to have an ARINC interface to couple to them for the ILS.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Save a few bucks on headsets |
Some vendors have been offering used Bose X headsets in about same price
range. Some folks have offered to sell their Bose X or Zulu headsets so
they can upgrade to the latest models.
On 12/11/2011 10:54 PM, AirMike wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>
> For those of you finishing up who need headsets, here is a money saving idea.
I just Bought a Bose QC-15 headset at the extra holiday savings deal of -10%
or $270. This is the headset that is sold to airline passengers, but there is
an add-on from UFlyMike, LLC that makes an after market mic for $225 + $7 shipping.
For $500 bucks total, you have a really cool and lightweight uber-noice-cancelling
headset. Plus the headset can still be used as a super nice headset
for music, air travel, etc.
> There is no permanent mod to the headset, just plug in and go.
>
> Might not fly as your primary headset, but sure makes for a great backup or co-pilot
headset. After flying in 152/172's with doggy D/C's my hearing is shot.
Whether you go this route or another, I cannot encourage you strongly enough
to get some good noise canceling headsets. Deafness only advantage is that you
can tell your wife that you didn't hear her !
>
> --------
> See you OSH '12
> Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360731#360731
>
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
My TT VSGV has a switch (mine(AP signal source)) which allows (1) track and
pitch synchronization, altitude hold; (2) LNAV VNAV with the Cheltons and
(3) LNAV with the GRT Sport.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel
If you want an autopilot that can stand alone, I'll put in a pitch for Trio.
I have no connection to the company, it's just that I see them as the
'little guy' and I think competition with the big guys is a good thing. With
their recent price reduction they are very competitive.
I cannot vouch for their interface with AFS; but I have a GRT EFIS (HX) and
it interfaces perfectly with it. And, works fine in a stand-alone mode.
Of course like all these autopilots it can only follow a GPS signal, not an
ILS or VOR, in the stand alone mode.
If you decide to go this route be sure to order the auto pitch trim option.
I use this even when hand-flying (it can be used when the servos are off)
for a very fine pitch trim adjustment.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: Save a few bucks on headsets |
I started flying with the Bose/UFlyMike setup several years ago while I was flying
for a living. First with the QC-2, and now with the QC-15. I have been very
happy with the combo. The UFlyMike microphone is very good quality. The only
heads up, is that when the single AAA battery goes dead, the headset is inop.
The battery lasts for forty or more hours. I change the battery once a month,
or prior to a long cross country. UFLyMike also sells a TSO'd model that includes
ear buds that you wear with the headset. Kind of a belt and suspenders approach,
but it removes the threat of battery failure causing lost commo. The QC-15
indicator light blinks on and off red when you turn it on, if the battery
is low. I read somewhere that it also gives some clicks or tones in the headset
with a low battery, but I don't know if that is correct.
The battery issue makes it a non-starter for some folks, but I am a long time user
that is very happy with the setup. It is comfortable, very light weight, and
great quality sound.
--------
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
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| Subject: | Re: Save a few bucks on headsets |
Lightspeed has an excellent "trade-up" program for factory direct purchases right now at http://www.lightspeedaviation.com
Their lightspeeds are great. The advantage of the Bose QC15 is that it gives you
a dual-use headset and it is very light. Might be a better choice for women
and kids who do not want a conventional heavy aviation headset with high clamping
force.
--------
See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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| Subject: | Save a few bucks on headsets |
I purchased my first 2 Bose X at full price new. The next 4 I purchased used but
in good to excellent condition never paying more than $500.00 all in. Now that
the new Bose plus a few more premium options are available I expect more used
Bose X headsets will come to the resale market in that price range.
I do like the inventiveness of the UFlyMike unit but feel it's a touch pricy when
added to the Bose QC-15 which is also overpriced (IMHO). I own a QC-15 (free
gift with purchase) and it's nice for what it is but it's not worth nearly $300.00.
Typical Bose $ premium.
Just my opinion,
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Save a few bucks on headsets
Some vendors have been offering used Bose X headsets in about same price range.
Some folks have offered to sell their Bose X or Zulu headsets so they can upgrade
to the latest models.
On 12/11/2011 10:54 PM, AirMike wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>
> For those of you finishing up who need headsets, here is a money saving idea.
I just Bought a Bose QC-15 headset at the extra holiday savings deal of -10%
or $270. This is the headset that is sold to airline passengers, but there is
an add-on from UFlyMike, LLC that makes an after market mic for $225 + $7 shipping.
For $500 bucks total, you have a really cool and lightweight uber-noice-cancelling
headset. Plus the headset can still be used as a super nice headset
for music, air travel, etc.
> There is no permanent mod to the headset, just plug in and go.
>
> Might not fly as your primary headset, but sure makes for a great backup or co-pilot
headset. After flying in 152/172's with doggy D/C's my hearing is shot.
Whether you go this route or another, I cannot encourage you strongly enough
to get some good noise canceling headsets. Deafness only advantage is that you
can tell your wife that you didn't hear her !
>
> --------
> See you OSH '12
> Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360731#360731
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
I also have a similar configuration using a pair of AFS, TT AFS AP, VP200
, etc. I have a switch next to the AFS TT AP that will switch ARINC inputs
from the AFS units to the GTN650 so in addition to the AP alt/hdg mode I c
an drive the AP directly from the GTN if I want.
Michael
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 11, 2011, at 9:17 PM, "Jim Combs" <jiminlexky@gmail.com<mailto:jimin
lexky@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am flying the same configuration as Les except I have the AFS AP (TT with
different software). The Static and Pitot are plumbed into both EFIS unit
s and the AP. GPS receivers are also wired into both EFIS units and the AP
as well.
Holding the AP Engage button on the stick for 3 seconds gets you into AP st
and alone mode (heading and alt hold). Pressing the EFIS button on the AP
couples the EFIS and AP together to allow the Flight Director in the EFIS t
o command the AP. Works very well.
Jim C
N312F 300+ hours
rsbooks.com>
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
By itself no, but when coupled with the AFS efis or other ARINC input yes.
Michael
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 11, 2011, at 10:26 PM, "Andrew Long" <along@aanet.com.au<mailto:alon
g@aanet.com.au>> wrote:
Hi Jim,
Does that AP have ILS/GPS RNAV approach capability (i.e. with it navigate a
lt as well as heading?)
My want.... is basically to have a 3-axis AP that can be managed independan
t of the EFIS should it fail (shounds like this does) and can be coupled to
a ILS/GPS RNAV approach. Does this fit the bill? Sounds like it does, just
clarifying..... :-)
Regards,
Andrew Long
www.ozrv10.com<http://www.ozrv10.com>
> I am flying the same configuration as Les except I have the AFS AP (TT
> with
> different software). The Static and Pitot are plumbed into both EFIS
> units
> and the AP. GPS receivers are also wired into both EFIS units and the AP
> as well.
>
> Holding the AP Engage button on the stick for 3 seconds gets you into AP
> stand alone mode (heading and alt hold). Pressing the EFIS button on the
> AP couples the EFIS and AP together to allow the Flight Director in the
> EFIS to command the AP. Works very well.
>
> Jim C
> N312F 300+ hours
>
rsbooks.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Save a few bucks on headsets |
That's been my thought too, I have a set that I got for credit card or another
frequent traveler program. I wouldn't pay that much for them normally but the
cost of adding the uflymike microphone to them make it my primary plan for
the back seaters. I would never use them in the front seat as they loose all
audio if the battery dies.
Michael
Sent from my iPad2
On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:11 AM, "Robin Marks" <robin@PaintTheWeb.com> wrote:
>
> I purchased my first 2 Bose X at full price new. The next 4 I purchased used
but in good to excellent condition never paying more than $500.00 all in. Now
that the new Bose plus a few more premium options are available I expect more
used Bose X headsets will come to the resale market in that price range.
> I do like the inventiveness of the UFlyMike unit but feel it's a touch pricy
when added to the Bose QC-15 which is also overpriced (IMHO). I own a QC-15 (free
gift with purchase) and it's nice for what it is but it's not worth nearly
$300.00. Typical Bose $ premium.
>
> Just my opinion,
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:16 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Save a few bucks on headsets
>
>
> Some vendors have been offering used Bose X headsets in about same price range.
Some folks have offered to sell their Bose X or Zulu headsets so they can upgrade
to the latest models.
>
> On 12/11/2011 10:54 PM, AirMike wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>>
>> For those of you finishing up who need headsets, here is a money saving idea.
I just Bought a Bose QC-15 headset at the extra holiday savings deal of -10%
or $270. This is the headset that is sold to airline passengers, but there is
an add-on from UFlyMike, LLC that makes an after market mic for $225 + $7 shipping.
For $500 bucks total, you have a really cool and lightweight uber-noice-cancelling
headset. Plus the headset can still be used as a super nice headset
for music, air travel, etc.
>> There is no permanent mod to the headset, just plug in and go.
>>
>> Might not fly as your primary headset, but sure makes for a great backup or
co-pilot headset. After flying in 152/172's with doggy D/C's my hearing is shot.
Whether you go this route or another, I cannot encourage you strongly enough
to get some good noise canceling headsets. Deafness only advantage is that
you can tell your wife that you didn't hear her !
>>
>> --------
>> See you OSH '12
>> Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360731#360731
>>
>>
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Ever have a regret that there was something at Oshkosh you should have done
but didn't do? I bought a ipad holder there from somebody but failed to get
a necessary accessory. I bought a holder/shell with a manufacturers logo on
it from "Vogel's" but they also had a small insert that allowed it to clamp
onto a RAM mount I can't figure out where to get that accessory now - does
anyone have any ideas on sources for it? I really like the holder/shell. It
has a strap that comes with it that would allow it to become a kneeboard
although I think the ipad is to large to be a kneeboard.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
Andrew,
At the risk of being redundant, let me summarize. I am most familiar with the Trio
Pro since that's what I have, but I think the TT models function similarly.
1. If you have nothing but the autopilot - absolutely nothing else - then these
autopilots will attempt to hold the wings level but there may be a slow drift
in course, left or right. They won't really hold a course. The autopilot will
hold a commanded altitude; or, it will climb or descend at a commanded rate to
a designated altitude.
2. If you have a serial gps input to the autopilot (this can even be from most
battery operated handheld units), then the autopilot will hold a course (ground
track). It will also track the course entered into the gps. So you can do a
GPS LNAV approach by letting the autopilot track the course, while you manually
enter the desired altitude(s) to descend to, at the appropriate time(s).
3. If you have a WASS capable gps feeding the autopilot via an ARINC line, then
these autopilots will do a full GPS LPV approach on their own (you have to order
the GPSS/GPSV options for the autopilot).
4. If you feed the autopilot (which again has to have the GPSS/GPSV options) from
a compatible EFIS then it can do an ILS.
--------
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
Great summary thanks. I was just getting it, however, your explanation
made it clear.
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
No I misread your note looks like we are both flying the AFS (TT) AP. It
works great stand alone or coupled to the EFIS unit (Via the ARINC)
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> My A/P is a TruTrak branded with the AFS logo. Is that different from
> yours.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2011-12-11, at 8:06 PM, Jim Combs <jiminlexky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am flying the same configuration as Les except I have the AFS AP (TT
> with different software). The Static and Pitot are plumbed into both EFIS
> units and the AP. GPS receivers are also wired into both EFIS units and
> the AP as well.
>
> Holding the AP Engage button on the stick for 3 seconds gets you into AP
> stand alone mode (heading and alt hold). Pressing the EFIS button on the
> AP couples the EFIS and AP together to allow the Flight Director in the
> EFIS to command the AP. Works very well.
>
> Jim C
> N312F 300+ hours
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
No stand alone ILS/GPS approach capability for the AP. If you get into
that mode you have to fly the approach yourself. But having the AP fly the
airplane in case the EFIS units go south, is a benefit all by itself. The
GPS is providing the AP with heading, and airspeed information (and maybe
altitude?). Not sure if it is using the static port for altitude or the
data from the GPS. The AP will not allow a climb to go below a min
airspeed nor will it allow a descent to go above a max airspeed. Min and
max airspeed override a commanded climb or descent rate. These are
programmable via the AP setup (and via the AFS EFIS too).
So that is one reason I have a second $40 GPS receiver driving the AP and
co-pilot EFIS while the GNS430W GPS drives the pilot side EFIS. I can keep
power to the secondary GPS and the AP in the case of a power issue. I am
in the process of adding additional fuses for power. I had both EFIS units
on a single fuse (What the heck was I thinking?) and that caused an issue
on a flight. One of the other pilots found a supply of fuses with a
internal LED that glows when it blows. Makes identification much easier.
Jim C
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Andrew Long <along@aanet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Does that AP have ILS/GPS RNAV approach capability (i.e. with it navigate
> alt as well as heading?)
>
> My want.... is basically to have a 3-axis AP that can be managed
> independant of the EFIS should it fail (shounds like this does) and can be
> coupled to a ILS/GPS RNAV approach. Does this fit the bill? Sounds like it
> does, just clarifying..... :-)
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Long
> www.ozrv10.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
The iPad works well as a knee pad in the '10. Specificallay, the knee
pad suggested by ForeFlight works very well.
The pad clears the stick quite well in normal flight. The 2/3 size
cover prevents your arm from inadvertently 'operating' the iPad, not
that it is much of a problem without such protection.
The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for
freqs and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing
freqs (perhaps not long clearances). Since the 2/3 size cover is such
good protection, I'll just stick with paper and the scratch pad for now.
On 12/12/2011 2:37 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"<ibspud@roadrunner.com>
>
> Ever have a regret that there was something at Oshkosh you should have done
> but didn't do? I bought a ipad holder there from somebody but failed to get
> a necessary accessory. I bought a holder/shell with a manufacturers logo on
> it from "Vogel's" but they also had a small insert that allowed it to clamp
> onto a RAM mount I can't figure out where to get that accessory now - does
> anyone have any ideas on sources for it? I really like the holder/shell. It
> has a strap that comes with it that would allow it to become a kneeboard
> although I think the ipad is to large to be a kneeboard.
> Albert Gardner
> N991RV
> Yuma, AZ
>
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