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1. 05:10 AM - Re: ipad Accessory (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:58 AM - Re: ipad Accessory (Don McDonald)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: ipad Accessory (Tim Olson)
4. 06:03 AM - Re: ipad Accessory (Robin Marks)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: ipad Accessory (Bill Watson)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 07:31 AM - Re: ipad Accessory (Strasnuts)
8. 10:42 AM - Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel (Jim Combs)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: ipad Accessory (Albert Gardner)
10. 12:44 PM - Re: ipad Accessory (Kelly McMullen)
11. 01:47 PM - Re: ipad Accessory (John Ackerman)
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think about. As good
of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in Foreflight, I have yet to find
it useful at all. When flying, I always use paper to write frequencies so I can
list them out as well as write the name of the center I am talking to and the
Baro that they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is useless
in this type of application in my opinion. How many people use the scratch
pad in flight and how many use paper?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> The iPad works well as a knee pad in the '10. Specificallay, the knee pad suggested
by ForeFlight works very well.
>
> The pad clears the stick quite well in normal flight. The 2/3 size cover prevents
your arm from inadvertently 'operating' the iPad, not that it is much of
a problem without such protection.
>
> The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for freqs
and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing freqs (perhaps
not long clearances). Since the 2/3 size cover is such good protection, I'll
just stick with paper and the scratch pad for now.
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
I use the scratch pad for several things....also nice to have a nice flat s
urface, which the ipad provides automatically.... certainly for-center fr
eqs, but also to keep up with the wind... it's direction and speed... as I'
m climbing... I level off at several altitudes, and scribble the alt, direc
tion and speed.- Also can make notes the day before of things I want to d
o or ck while flying the next day... so I think it's great.- Always had b
een a problem trying to find that pencil and paper in a hurry.=0ADon=0A =0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviati
on.com>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7
:05 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: ipad Accessory=0A =0A--> RV10-List message
posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>=0A=0AThat brings up an is
sue that I'd like to hear what people think about. As good of an idea as it
is to have the scratch pad in Foreflight, I have yet to find it useful at
all. When flying, I always use paper to write frequencies so I can list the
m out as well as write the name of the center I am talking to and the Baro
that they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is usele
ss in this type of application in my opinion. How many people use the scrat
ch pad in flight and how many use paper?=0A=0AJesse Saint=0ASaint Aviation,
Inc.=0Ajesse@saintaviation.com=0AC: 352-427-0285=0AF: 815-377-3694=0A=0AOn
Dec 13, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Bill Watson wrote:=0A=0A> --> RV10-List message
posted by: Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>=0A> =0A> The iPad works well
as a knee pad in the '10.- Specificallay, the knee pad suggested by Fore
Flight works very well.=0A> =0A> The pad clears the stick quite well in nor
mal flight.- The 2/3 size cover prevents your arm from inadvertently 'ope
rating' the iPad, not that it is much of a problem without such protection.
=0A> =0A> The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch pap
er for freqs and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing
freqs (perhaps not long clearances).- Since the 2/3 size cover is such go
od protection, I'll just stick with paper and the scratch pad for now.=0A
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
I'd tend to agree with that. I don't really find it much
use at all, except maybe in an emergency when you can't
get to your notepad. It's too "head down" to type things
in, and the touch drawing would be too large. I also like
keeping the notepad page full of the entire trip. You
can use it for historical tracking of events and things too.
I take a photo of my notepad with my camera after trips
so that I have a record of my ATC interactions, and
the route and fuel/time information. So while I'm
thrilled to be paper free in many areas, the cockpit is
the last remaining place where I really find any use
for handwriting. I probably write more on my notepad
in the plane in a year than I write on all other paper
combined in 5 years. I simply don't do handwriting outside
of the cockpit. But in the cockpit, I haven't found
anything that would make a great replacement.
I DO find that the scratchpad has one good use though...
in formation flight it makes a great signalling device.
You can write something on it to show the plane next
to you if you need to be sans-radio for a while.
Tim
do not archive
On 12/13/2011 7:05 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse
> Saint<jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think
> about. As good of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in
> Foreflight, I have yet to find it useful at all. When flying, I
> always use paper to write frequencies so I can list them out as well
> as write the name of the center I am talking to and the Baro that
> they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is
> useless in this type of application in my opinion. How many people
> use the scratch pad in flight and how many use paper?
>
> Jesse Saint
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
Paper for me.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
Jesse Saint wrote:
That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think about. As g
ood of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in Foreflight, I have yet t
o find it useful at all. When flying, I always use paper to write frequenci
es so I can list them out as well as write the name of the center I am talk
ing to and the Baro that they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The
scratch pad is useless in this type of application in my opinion. How many
people use the scratch pad in flight and how many use paper?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> The iPad works well as a knee pad in the '10. Specificallay, the knee pa
d suggested by ForeFlight works very well.
>
> The pad clears the stick quite well in normal flight. The 2/3 size cover
prevents your arm from inadvertently 'operating' the iPad, not that it is
much of a problem without such protection.
>
> The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for f
reqs and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing freqs (p
erhaps not long clearances). Since the 2/3 size cover is such good protect
ion, I'll just stick with paper and the scratch pad for now.
rsbooks.com>
m>
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
Well, necessity can be the mother of discovery...
When I saw the scratch pad, my first thought was, "nice touch but won't
replace paper and pencil". Well, it won't but in fact, on my last
flight I found myself -naturally- using the scratch pad for freq
changes! The primary reason being that I haven't found a place to put
my pencil(s) yet.
Before I had an AP, having a pencil (and a backup pencil) attached to my
clipboard was essential. And in round gauge land, writing everything
down was equally essential. In that environment, pens weren't even
reliable enough.
In my current glassed over state, I've settled into 'writing' baro
changes directly into my GRT EFIS. I'm also writing altitude clearances
directlyl into the EFIS (though I miss the little stick-on pointer I
used to use on my round altimeter but in the end, it didn't drive an AP
or otherwise remind me to level off at the right time). I'm still
writing most vectors on paper (or the scratch pad) but I'm not sure why
- maybe the small size of the heading display on the GRT.
What's left are multi-part clearances, which absolutely get written on
paper, and routine freq changes which still get written but I find
myself naturally using the scratchpad if I don't have a pencil in my
hand. I didn't expect that.
So right now, I'm keeping pencils and pens on the left side wall where
they can be accessed but not accessed unconciously. Given that
situation, I'm naturally deciding to use the scratch pad for freq changes.
In addition, the scratch pad has a keyboard input option too. It's
actually 2 scratch pads - one for hand scritching and one for keyboard.
Clearing one doesn't clear the other. So for fuel data at fuel stops
and other in flight notes that I want to retain, I'm keying into the
scratch pad for later reference. A nice feature.
So, the scratch pad has become a part of my 'system'. On my last
flight, my paper scratch had had some throw away freqs on it, and so did
my iPad scratch pad. The keyed in scratch pad will be copied into a
spreadsheet later today. Nice feature!
I know if I fabricate a pencil holder for my knee board, I'll go back to
pencil and paper exclusively so I'm going to hold off on that for awhile
and see how paperless I can get.
Bill "loving my AP" Watson
GRT EFIS, TT AP, G430W
On 12/13/2011 8:05 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint<jesse@saintaviation.com>
>
> That brings up an issue that I'd like to hear what people think about. As good
of an idea as it is to have the scratch pad in Foreflight, I have yet to find
it useful at all. When flying, I always use paper to write frequencies so I
can list them out as well as write the name of the center I am talking to and
the Baro that they gave me (and squawk code as applicable). The scratch pad is
useless in this type of application in my opinion. How many people use the scratch
pad in flight and how many use paper?
>
> Jesse Saint
>
>
> The conundrum is whether to use the 2/3 size cover to scratch paper for freqs
and clearances, or to use ForeFlight's scratchpad for writing freqs (perhaps
not long clearances). Since the 2/3 size cover is such good protection, I'll
just stick with paper and the scratch pad for now.
>
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| Subject: | AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
Jim,
If you put in a selector switch you can switch the ARINC to a second sourc
e such as a 430 or 650 and it will take GPSS/GPSV commands like the regular
TT DII VSGV independent of the AFS EFIS. The fuses you are referring to a
very handy and can be found in pretty much any auto parts store now.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Combs
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel
No stand alone ILS/GPS approach capability for the AP. If you get into tha
t mode you have to fly the approach yourself. But having the AP fly the ai
rplane in case the EFIS units go south, is a benefit all by itself. The GP
S is providing the AP with heading, and airspeed information (and maybe alt
itude?). Not sure if it is using the static port for altitude or the data
from the GPS. The AP will not allow a climb to go below a min airspeed nor
will it allow a descent to go above a max airspeed. Min and max airspeed o
verride a commanded climb or descent rate. These are programmable via the
AP setup (and via the AFS EFIS too).
So that is one reason I have a second $40 GPS receiver driving the AP and c
o-pilot EFIS while the GNS430W GPS drives the pilot side EFIS. I can keep
power to the secondary GPS and the AP in the case of a power issue. I am i
n the process of adding additional fuses for power. I had both EFIS units
on a single fuse (What the heck was I thinking?) and that caused an issue o
n a flight. One of the other pilots found a supply of fuses with a interna
l LED that glows when it blows. Makes identification much easier.
Jim C
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Andrew Long <along@aanet.com.au<mailto:al
ong@aanet.com.au>> wrote:
Hi Jim,
Does that AP have ILS/GPS RNAV approach capability (i.e. with it navigate a
lt as well as heading?)
My want.... is basically to have a 3-axis AP that can be managed independan
t of the EFIS should it fail (shounds like this does) and can be coupled to
a ILS/GPS RNAV approach. Does this fit the bill? Sounds like it does, just
clarifying..... :-)
Regards,
Andrew Long
www.ozrv10.com<http://www.ozrv10.com>
rsbooks.com>
m>
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
For VFR or common IFR routes that I normally do I don't write anything down. I
feed the instruments as they speak with emer power on jets and backup power on
my RV-10. I do have the ipad handy if I need to scratch something down.
For IFR routes I normally don't fly I use the paper print out from fltplan.com.
I write down the ATIS on the bottom and the clearance right next to the planned
clearance. This way I have everything on one piece pf paper. It also has
the times, fuel burn, etc. It even states if RAIM is available throughout the
entire route.
--------
40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=360837#360837
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| Subject: | Re: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel |
I have the switch installed.
Per some older schematics. The new schematics do not show the switch.
Jim C
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:13 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <
rvbuilder@sausen.net> wrote:
> Jim,****
>
> ** **
>
> If you put in a selector switch you can switch the ARINC to a second
> source such as a 430 or 650 and it will take GPSS/GPSV commands like the
> regular TT DII VSGV independent of the AFS EFIS. The fuses you are
> referring to a very handy and can be found in pretty much any auto parts
> store now.****
>
> ** **
>
> Michael****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Combs
> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2011 7:28 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: AFS / VP-X / Fast Stack Based Panel****
>
> ** **
>
> No stand alone ILS/GPS approach capability for the AP. If you get into
> that mode you have to fly the approach yourself. But having the AP fly the
> airplane in case the EFIS units go south, is a benefit all by itself. The
> GPS is providing the AP with heading, and airspeed information (and maybe
> altitude?). Not sure if it is using the static port for altitude or the
> data from the GPS. The AP will not allow a climb to go below a min
> airspeed nor will it allow a descent to go above a max airspeed. Min and
> max airspeed override a commanded climb or descent rate. These are
> programmable via the AP setup (and via the AFS EFIS too).
>
> So that is one reason I have a second $40 GPS receiver driving the AP and
> co-pilot EFIS while the GNS430W GPS drives the pilot side EFIS. I can keep
> power to the secondary GPS and the AP in the case of a power issue. I am
> in the process of adding additional fuses for power. I had both EFIS units
> on a single fuse (What the heck was I thinking?) and that caused an issue
> on a flight. One of the other pilots found a supply of fuses with a
> internal LED that glows when it blows. Makes identification much easier.
>
> Jim C
>
> ****
>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Andrew Long <along@aanet.com.au> wrote:*
> ***
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Does that AP have ILS/GPS RNAV approach capability (i.e. with it navigate
> alt as well as heading?)
>
> My want.... is basically to have a 3-axis AP that can be managed
> independant of the EFIS should it fail (shounds like this does) and can be
> coupled to a ILS/GPS RNAV approach. Does this fit the bill? Sounds like it
> does, just clarifying..... :-)
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Long
> www.ozrv10.com ****
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
OK, I found the source for my ipad accessory as well as a lot of other stuff
for ipad's such as RAM mounts, Bad Elf gps, ipad stuff. Prices look ok and
they had what I badly needed. As I said I had purchased the shell and carry
bag at OSK but couldn't remember who from. I'm experimenting with a center
console mount for the ipad.
http://www.mygoflight.com
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
INteresting discussion, as one who still flies an aircraft with steam
gauges and only a wing leveler. Frequency changes are dialed into standby
on either com radio, heading is set with HSI heading bug, altitude is
written down, as are any changes to FP route, squawk is dialed into
transponder..........all of the above when in the air. On the ground
getting clearance, I have FP clearance written in sequence, so that I only
have to note changes, altitude, heading and squawk. All on paper. Gives
some ideas how the -10 glass panel with no steam gauges routine will differ.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Well, necessity can be the mother of discovery...
>
> When I saw the scratch pad, my first thought was, "nice touch but won't
> replace paper and pencil". Well, it won't but in fact, on my last flight I
> found myself -naturally- using the scratch pad for freq changes! The
> primary reason being that I haven't found a place to put my pencil(s) yet.
>
> Before I had an AP, having a pencil (and a backup pencil) attached to my
> clipboard was essential. And in round gauge land, writing everything down
> was equally essential. In that environment, pens weren't even reliable
> enough.
>
> In my current glassed over state, I've settled into 'writing' baro changes
> directly into my GRT EFIS. I'm also writing altitude clearances directlyl
> into the EFIS (though I miss the little stick-on pointer I used to use on
> my round altimeter but in the end, it didn't drive an AP or otherwise
> remind me to level off at the right time). I'm still writing most vectors
> on paper (or the scratch pad) but I'm not sure why - maybe the small size
> of the heading display on the GRT.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ipad Accessory |
All our flying has been VFR so far...
In our plane the FO has complete control of the ipad, and she uses the
scratch pad for her notes, and maps to follow position, airport data,
etc.
The captain uses a conventional kneeboard and note pad. It works out
well; she is able to keep the data she wants - tach times, etc. Helps a
lot with "what altitude did he say?" kind of stuff, too. I'm told that
the iPad is essential equipment, (even though much of the info is
available on the EFISes).
On Dec 13, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
> INteresting discussion, as one who still flies an aircraft with steam
gauges and only a wing leveler. Frequency changes are dialed into
standby on either com radio, heading is set with HSI heading bug,
altitude is written down, as are any changes to FP route, squawk is
dialed into transponder..........all of the above when in the air. On
the ground getting clearance, I have FP clearance written in sequence,
so that I only have to note changes, altitude, heading and squawk. All
on paper. Gives some ideas how the -10 glass panel with no steam gauges
routine will differ.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
wrote:
>
> Well, necessity can be the mother of discovery...
>
> When I saw the scratch pad, my first thought was, "nice touch but
won't replace paper and pencil". Well, it won't but in fact, on my last
flight I found myself -naturally- using the scratch pad for freq
changes! The primary reason being that I haven't found a place to put
my pencil(s) yet.
>
> Before I had an AP, having a pencil (and a backup pencil) attached to
my clipboard was essential. And in round gauge land, writing everything
down was equally essential. In that environment, pens weren't even
reliable enough.
>
> In my current glassed over state, I've settled into 'writing' baro
changes directly into my GRT EFIS. I'm also writing altitude clearances
directlyl into the EFIS (though I miss the little stick-on pointer I
used to use on my round altimeter but in the end, it didn't drive an AP
or otherwise remind me to level off at the right time). I'm still
writing most vectors on paper (or the scratch pad) but I'm not sure why
- maybe the small size of the heading display on the GRT.
>
>
>
>
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