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1. 05:06 AM - RV-10 List (Albert Gardner)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (John Cox)
3. 06:22 AM - RV-10 Tail kit for sale (Stephen Blank,DDS)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (rv10flyer)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (johngoodman)
6. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (Geoff Combs)
7. 02:38 PM - Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (nukeflyboy)
8. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (Kelly McMullen)
9. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (Kelly McMullen)
10. 06:35 PM - Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (Bob Turner)
11. 07:56 PM - G900X Checklists (Jesse Saint)
12. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (Jesse Saint)
13. 08:14 PM - Re: G900X Checklists (Robin Marks)
14. 08:37 PM - Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... (Strasnuts)
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PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
PJ, are you still on the list? Contact me off list if so.
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
ibspud@roadrunner.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
The RV-12 is being redesigned for the Skyview so it is getting a major
VAN's endorsement. Much like the AFS as standard in the Glastar - Two
weeks to Taxi... that has big impact on widespread marketplace endorsement.
John
On Dec 27, 2011 10:45 PM, "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
> >At 09:47 PM 12/27/2011 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >I have looked at the Dynon stuff up at Arlington Air Show the past two
> years
> >and really like the looks of them. They added autopilot and said last year
> >that they were about to announce communications added to their system. A
> >single 10" screen to do everything would be pretty easy to install learn
> to
> >operate. Mostly Dynon looks best in the magazines. I guess you get used
> to
> >any of them or they would not all still be in business.
> >Pete
>
>
> I have a Dynon 10" Skyview in the RV-6:
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv6.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV6&project 43&category=0&log=138164&row=45
>
> http://www.mattsrv6.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV6&project 43&category=0&log=138163&row=46
>
> and a triple GRT HX setup in the RV-8:
>
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'376&row=134
>
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/users/display_log.php?user=MattsRV8&project=638&category=2973&log'375&row=135
>
> I've flown the GRT HX setup about 170 hours and the Dynon Skyview system
> about 45 hours now.
>
> Which do I prefer? That's a tough call. There are parts about each
> system that I like a lot...
>
> The installation and configuration of the Dynon is easier. Instructions
> are also better. The network cable interconnect system that Dynon uses (I
> think it is just RS485, but it works well) is also a no-brainer to install.
> Their display (PFD/Engine/Map) are definitely very pretty and demo well.
>
> The GRT is a little harder to get installed, the manual is a little
> sketchy in places and there are a LOT of configuration options that can
> seem daunting at first. BUT, there is power and utility in those options.
> If you use them to your advantage, you can probably do more, better on the
> GRT compared to the Dynon. The displays on the GRT don't have the "3D-y",
> "Windows-y" look to them. BUT, I think I'm preferring that at this point.
> Doing a scan on the GRT looking for something out of the ordinary is
> quicker and more accurate. I also like the PFD layout and operation on the
> GRT better. It feels more "accurate" and "believable" to me for some
> reason. I never quite "trust" what I'm seeing on the Dynon for some reason
> and I don't know why. Maybe I just need more time on the Dynon.
>
> So, the Dynon has it for Installation and Configuation, but the GRT has it
> for Operation and Presentation as far as I'm concerned. If I was building
> a new plane, I think that I would probably go with the GRT. But its a
> close race. I really like the Dynon system too.
>
> I guess I'm saying if you're in the market for a full-featured EFIS
> system, give GRT and Dynon both very close look before you make your
> selection. In my opinion, it comes down to personal preferences in a few
> select areas on which way to go. Both systems are top notch.
>
> BTW, Dynon's autopilot add-on for the Skyview which I have in the RV-6
> works well. Its a good autopilot that does the job. The servos are the
> same as with the TruTrak system. In the RV-8, I have the TruTrak
> Digiflight II VSGV system. The TruTrak is a smoother, more accurate
> autopilot in my opinion, and I would go that route again. But, it also
> costs quite a bit more than just adding servos to the Dynon or GRT.
>
> $.02
>
> -
> Matt "Red Dawg" Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 42+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer
> Mode
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Tail kit for sale |
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From: "Stephen Blank,DDS" <sblankdds@gmail.com>
Subject: RV-10 Tail kit for sale
I have an 80% built tailcone for sale. I am asking $3,000. This is a great
jump start. The horizontal stabilizer and elevators are complete, the
vertical fin and rudder are finished. I am located in Florida and would
prefer someone that is able to pick up the project. A few images are
available at the link below. Contact info below. - Steve
http://www.psldentist.com/rv10.html
Stephen Blank,DDS
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL. 34983
772-475-5556 cell
E-mail: sblankdds@gmail.com
sent from my Evo-Shift
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
Agree with all said about GRT. I have 2 8.4" HX, TT DFIIVSGV, 430W. Yes the ap
is almost perfect with recommended settings for the -10. After flying behind two
different AFS systems and one Chelton system for a very short time each...I
also noticed minor differences.
I do like having my ap independent. I am hoping GRT has the charts option soon.
I am happy with the glitch-free GRT products and support.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
rv10flyer wrote:
>
> I do like having my ap independent. I am hoping GRT has the charts option soon.
I am happy with the glitch-free GRT products and support.
I have charts in my HX right now... Is there something different you are talking
about?
John
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#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
I believe what Wayne is referring to is the VFR sectionals, IFR low en-route
charts/maps and AFD now available
On the New AFS 5600 and 5500 screens. I have been flying these new screens
for 10 hours and they are loaded with features. Attached are some picture of
the VFR sectional on the left screen and the other picture shows the
Rubber band feature move the joy stick to a location on the chart and it
gives you the heading and distance
Pretty cool.
Geoff
Geoff Combs
Aerosport Modeling & Design
8090 Howe Industrial Parkway
Canal Winchester, Ohio 43110
614-834-5227p
614-834-5230f
www.aerosportmodeling.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS...
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rv10flyer wrote:
>
> I do like having my ap independent. I am hoping GRT has the charts option
soon. I am happy with the glitch-free GRT products and support.
I have charts in my HX right now... Is there something different you are
talking about?
John
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#40572 Phase One complete and flying.
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
When I was doing my EFIS hunting I found three issues with the Dynon that do not
exist with the GRT, AFS, or Garmin suites.
1. Dynon does not have an XM WX interface
2. The Dynon in-house required A/P is not independent, therefore not usable if
the EFIS fails
3. No vertical guidance to the A/P so you can't do a complete coupled approach.
Otherwise the Skyview is a capable unit at a good price.
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Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB - Working G3X panel
Rest almost done
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
I'd be interested in comments from folks that have flown with both XM and
ADSB weather. I expect XM is so yesterday and will disappear in a few years
when ADSB In weather is widely available for free, since we will need all
the XM bucks to go to paying FAA for the database updates. But things may
change.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:34 PM, nukeflyboy <flymoore@charter.net> wrote:
>
> When I was doing my EFIS hunting I found three issues with the Dynon that
> do not exist with the GRT, AFS, or Garmin suites.
> 1. Dynon does not have an XM WX interface
> 2. The Dynon in-house required A/P is not independent, therefore not
> usable if the EFIS fails
> 3. No vertical guidance to the A/P so you can't do a complete coupled
> approach.
> Otherwise the Skyview is a capable unit at a good price.
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - Working G3X panel
> Rest almost done
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
Don't recall on the XM, but Dyon is working on getting ADSB-IN, and
vertical guidance on A/P. If you are flying it IFR you likely will do
dual ADHRS and dual backup batteries, so you will have two control heads
for A/P, which is one more than you have with standalone.
On 12/28/2011 3:34 PM, nukeflyboy wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "nukeflyboy"<flymoore@charter.net>
>
> When I was doing my EFIS hunting I found three issues with the Dynon that do
not exist with the GRT, AFS, or Garmin suites.
> 1. Dynon does not have an XM WX interface
> 2. The Dynon in-house required A/P is not independent, therefore not usable
if the EFIS fails
> 3. No vertical guidance to the A/P so you can't do a complete coupled approach.
> Otherwise the Skyview is a capable unit at a good price.
>
> --------
> Dave Moore
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB - Working G3X panel
> Rest almost done
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361859#361859
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
I have the GRT HX/HS and a fully coupled Trio autopilot, and of course I like the
panel very much.
Having said that, I really don't think too much emphasis should be placed on having
an approach coupled autopilot. The autopilot's job is to relieve fatigue,
not to do things which the pilot is incapable of. An altitude holding autopilot
does the job of relieving fatigue just fine.
It is not that difficult to hand fly approaches in the -10. In fact, it might
be best for many GA pilots (who don't get enough practice) to hand fly approaches,
even if the autopilot can do it, just to keep really current.
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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB
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| Subject: | G900X Checklists |
Does anybody flying with a G900X have a checklists data file that they could send
me as a starting point for another -10 that I am helping on?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
I agree in general that practicing approaches by hand is always a great idea, but
when it counts, you want all the help you can get. There are enough other things
to be doing and verifying and watching that letting the a/p fly for you
is well worth it if it can.
That said, the Dynon will fly the lateral portion of the approach, and with a reasonable
vertical speed set up, dialing in your altitudes on an approach make
it pretty close to being coupled, just needing a little more monitoring. And,
as was mentioned by someone else, Dynon is working on vertical guidance as well
as XM weather and ADS-B weather. Everybody promises things like this, and Dynon
may be a little slower to implement some of the features, but for the most
part, they do get them done slowly, and they usually work quite well when they
do, and they seem to always find a way to do it cheaper than the competition.
I love the ADS-B traffic display on the Skyview, and it works just as well
as it does on the G900X for a fraction of the cost. Also, as was mentioned, it's
not a bad idea to go with dual backup batteries and dual ADAHRS, which would
make your autopilot redundantly supported if a single failure occurred on the
Skyview because of their network setup.
I have only installed one GRT, and have worked on a couple more. They are made
to support just about anything out there, which makes them a lot harder to set
up, but they are very flexible as well. AFS makes great equipment that give a
lot of functionality and a lot of eye candy at a good price also. I haven't worked
with the G3X at all, but hear great things about it, although I think I
would prefer wide format screen to vertical format screen, but if you have enough
screens, then that probably becomes mostly a non-issue. On moving map, vertical
format is probably better. The Dynon has some great-looking stuff, and a
great price tag. I'd probably stay away from any BMA stuff that may be floating
around used.
I'll step down from the soap box now and go back into the world of silence that
I have been spending so much time in lately.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
On Dec 28, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
>
> I have the GRT HX/HS and a fully coupled Trio autopilot, and of course I like
the panel very much.
>
> Having said that, I really don't think too much emphasis should be placed on
having an approach coupled autopilot. The autopilot's job is to relieve fatigue,
not to do things which the pilot is incapable of. An altitude holding autopilot
does the job of relieving fatigue just fine.
>
> It is not that difficult to hand fly approaches in the -10. In fact, it might
be best for many GA pilots (who don't get enough practice) to hand fly approaches,
even if the autopilot can do it, just to keep really current.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361869#361869
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| Subject: | Re: G900X Checklists |
I suggest u do a small test checklist before you install the real checklist.
Robin
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
Does anybody flying with a G900X have a checklists data file that they could send
me as a starting point for another -10 that I am helping on?
Thanks.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
C: 352-427-0285
F: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Skyview vs. GRT HX EFIS... |
I agree. The FAA requires a working autopilot before dispatch on single pilot
jets. It's nice to have when initiating a missed approach and re-reading the alternate.
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RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
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