---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/04/12: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:26 AM - LAX (Jesse Saint) 2. 08:53 AM - Aileron trailing edge (Rick Lark) 3. 09:09 AM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (Dave Saylor) 4. 09:16 AM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (Ralph E. Capen) 5. 09:35 AM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (Thane States) 6. 09:40 AM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (Jesse Saint) 7. 09:53 AM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (mds4878) 8. 01:16 PM - Keep building... (Robin Marks) 9. 02:48 PM - RV 10 Empennage Kit for Sale (Joseph Rhodes) 10. 03:09 PM - Re: Keep building... (Ben Westfall) 11. 03:16 PM - Re: RV 10 Empennage Kit for Sale (Stefan Kothe) 12. 05:05 PM - Re: Keep building... (Robin Marks) 13. 06:37 PM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (Chris) 14. 07:23 PM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (Rick) 15. 07:33 PM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (Jae Chang) 16. 07:33 PM - Re: Aileron trailing edge (Rick Lark) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:04 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: LAX From: Jesse Saint I'm flying into LAX this afternoon and leave tomorrow afternoon. Anybody in the area have any suggestions for a place to stay and/or words of wisdom for the city? Any projects near there? Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:49 AM PST US From: Rick Lark Subject: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge Hi all - I'm presently working on the trailing edge of my ailerons (please see jpg) and have noticed the VA-140 wedge extrusion is sticking out of the aileron skins by almost 1/16".- I obviously have not misplaced the extrusion as a ll holes are already punched.- This is not the case with the rudder, elev ators etc, as their skins are flush with the extrusion.- Joe at Vans was not concerned, but still I can't help but think the skins are a little shor t.- - Has anyone else run into this? - Regards,- - Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:47 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge My QB ailerons look exactly the same. Still flies great! Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Rick Lark wrote: > Hi all > > I'm presently working on the trailing edge of my ailerons (please see jpg) > and have noticed the VA-140 wedge extrusion is sticking out of the aileron > skins by almost 1/16". I obviously have not misplaced the extrusion as all > holes are already punched. This is not the case with the rudder, elevators > etc, as their skins are flush with the extrusion. Joe at Vans was not > concerned, but still I can't help but think the skins are a little short. > > Has anyone else run into this? > > Regards, > > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:13 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge I would start by measuring the edge-distance between the rivet holes and the edge. If they're good, on to the wedge - compare the edge distances on the wedge to the plans spec to make sure it's correct too. My .02....... Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: Rick Lark >Sent: Jan 4, 2012 11:48 AM >To: RV10-list >Subject: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge > >Hi all > >I'm presently working on the trailing edge of my ailerons (please see jpg) and have noticed the VA-140 wedge extrusion is sticking out of the aileron skins by almost 1/16". I obviously have not misplaced the extrusion as all holes are already punched. This is not the case with the rudder, elevators etc, as their skins are flush with the extrusion. Joe at Vans was not concerned, but still I can't help but think the skins are a little short. > >Has anyone else run into this? > >Regards, > >Rick >#40956 >Southampton, Ont ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:15 AM PST US From: "Thane States" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge Mine had areas that were a little proud of T.E. Once riveted, just gently file down that sharp edge if you want. That way paint will adhere better, and when the little ones run there noggin into it, maybe it wont cut so bad. My boy went running around the airplane and just missed the aileron and hit the wing tip, knocked him off his feet but no lasting wounds. Thane 205. Hrs. N321BY ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Lark To: RV10-list Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:48 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge Hi all I'm presently working on the trailing edge of my ailerons (please see jpg) and have noticed the VA-140 wedge extrusion is sticking out of the aileron skins by almost 1/16". I obviously have not misplaced the extrusion as all holes are already punched. This is not the case with the rudder, elevators etc, as their skins are flush with the extrusion. Joe at Vans was not concerned, but still I can't help but think the skins are a little short. Has anyone else run into this? Regards, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge From: Jesse Saint Just file the trailing edge down after you rivet it. That's not uncommon. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Rick Lark wrote: > Hi all > > I'm presently working on the trailing edge of my ailerons (please see jpg) and have noticed the VA-140 wedge extrusion is sticking out of the aileron s kins by almost 1/16". I obviously have not misplaced the extrusion as all h oles are already punched. This is not the case with the rudder, elevators e tc, as their skins are flush with the extrusion. Joe at Vans was not concer ned, but still I can't help but think the skins are a little short. > > Has anyone else run into this? > > Regards, > > Rick > #40956 > Southampton, Ont > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:10 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aileron trailing edge From: "mds4878" Hi, I just finished mine and they look just like yours. -------- RV-10 #40447 Fuselage almost done. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362403#362403 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:29 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RV10-List: Keep building... Happy New Year -10 List. Here are a few motivational photos in case you som etimes wonder what all the hard work leads to: Santa Barbara coast as sun sets [Description: J:\Users\Robin_2\Desktop\Recent Flight Photos\Evening flight to SBP 1-3-12.jpg] Pismo Beach (Vanderburg AFB to the left) [Description: J:\Users\Robin_2\Desktop\Recent Flight Photos\Pismo Beach Ret urnign home.jpg] Cross country flight Atlanta to California over Arizona. [Description: J:\Users\Robin_2\Desktop\Recent Flight Photos\Returning from AR over AZ.jpg] Blurry pointless photo. Exactly how my panel looks without my glasses. :-) [Description: J:\Users\Robin_2\Desktop\Recent Flight Photos\SAM_0560.JPG] Robin Just cracking 300 hours. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:36 PM PST US From: "Joseph Rhodes" Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 Empennage Kit for Sale RV 10 Empennage Kit for Sale Spring Hill Fl 34610 Building a RV12 $2750 See www.joesrv10.com Call 727-8569812 Thanks Joe Rhodes .. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:13 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Keep building... Robin what is that thing in the lower right corner with the words "FLIGHT GUIDE" stamped on it J. From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Keep building... Happy New Year -10 List. Here are a few motivational photos in case you sometimes wonder what all the hard work leads to: ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:28 PM PST US From: "Stefan Kothe" Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV 10 Empennage Kit for Sale Did you start working on the kit, any photos, and how old? From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Rhodes Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:42 PM Subject: RV10-List: RV 10 Empennage Kit for Sale RV 10 Empennage Kit for Sale Spring Hill Fl 34610 Building a RV12 $2750 See www.joesrv10.com Call 727-8569812 Thanks Joe Rhodes .. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:11 PM PST US From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV10-List: Keep building... During the condition inspection this year we installed Geoff's interior (wh ich looks great) and ripped out a bunch of electronics I thought were a goo d idea to entertain the troops during long cross country flights. By first flight all that entertainment electronics were replaced with iPads. I proba bly removed 12 pounds worth of now useless A/V displays & support electroni cs. The single DIN in the panel was a pop up AM/FM/SAT/DVD (below). Once ju nked I had to fill the hole with something so I located a simple single DIN plug that acts like an open glove box perfect for filling with my now usel ess paper Flight Guide which has also been replaced by the iPad. Not sure w hat I will ultimately put in the glove box but for now it fills the vacant space. Maybe a couple of O2 cannulas? Old panel: [Description: http://www.painttheweb.com/painttheweb/rv-10/Images/Panel/198 %5b2%5d.jpg] New panel: [Description: J:\Users\Robin_2\Desktop\RV 10 Build Photos\Glairshield\Glare shield cover 004.jpg] Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 3:04 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Keep building... Robin what is that thing in the lower right corner with the words "FLIGHT G UIDE" stamped on it :). From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Keep building... Happy New Year -10 List. Here are a few motivational photos in case you som etimes wonder what all the hard work leads to: ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:37 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge Way back when I think this question came up and word I got was one engineer designed the tail feathers and another designed the ailerons. Each had a different idea of how much the wedge should stick out. One thought a smidge the other thought none. It's all fine. -Chris Lucas #40072 Flying From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge Hi all I'm presently working on the trailing edge of my ailerons (please see jpg) and have noticed the VA-140 wedge extrusion is sticking out of the aileron skins by almost 1/16". I obviously have not misplaced the extrusion as all holes are already punched. This is not the case with the rudder, elevators etc, as their skins are flush with the extrusion. Joe at Vans was not concerned, but still I can't help but think the skins are a little short. Has anyone else run into this? Regards, Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge From: Rick I filed mine down flush with the skins and did it again on the second. The s harper the trailing edge of any control surface increases the sensitivity ar ound neutral but the RV-10 doesn't go fast enough to make a difference. =46rom a safety aspect, it will be much better on your forearms and children's for eheads if you file it down. This is another reason that proseal should be us ed to join the skin and avex wedge. Makes for a nice, filled, paintable fini shed product. Now back to my been there done that cave. Don't poke the bear. Rick Sked RV-10 40185 finished and sold RV-10 41154 finishing Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:31 PM, "Chris" wrote: > Way back when I think this question came up and word I got was one enginee r designed the tail feathers and another designed the ailerons. Each had a d ifferent idea of how much the wedge should stick out. One thought a smidge t he other thought none. It's all fine. > > -Chris Lucas > > #40072 > > Flying > > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:49 AM > To: RV10-list > Subject: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge > > > > Hi all > > > > I'm presently working on the trailing edge of my ailerons (please see jpg) and have noticed the VA-140 wedge extrusion is sticking out of the aileron s kins by almost 1/16". I obviously have not misplaced the extrusion as all h oles are already punched. This is not the case with the rudder, elevators e tc, as their skins are flush with the extrusion. Joe at Vans was not concer ned, but still I can't help but think the skins are a little short. > > > > Has anyone else run into this? > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick > > #40956 > > Southampton, Ont > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:24 PM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: Re: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge When I had thoughts like that during my build, i typically compromised with half a smidge. :D jae do not archive On 1/4/2012 6:31 PM, Chris wrote: > > Way back when I think this question came up and word I got was one > engineer designed the tail feathers and another designed the ailerons. > Each had a different idea of how much the wedge should stick out. One > thought a smidge the other thought none. It's all fine. > > -Chris Lucas > > #40072 > > Flying > > -- #40533 RV-10 First flight 10/19/2011 Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:31 PM PST US From: Rick Lark Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge Guys, thx for the feedback.- I will file the extrusion slightly to help k eep paint adhered to the trailing edge, and leave it at that. - Rick --- On Thu, 1/5/12, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: RE: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge Received: Thursday, January 5, 2012, 2:31 AM Way back when I think this question came up and word I got was one engineer designed the tail feathers and another designed the ailerons. Each had a d ifferent idea of how much the wedge should stick out. One thought a smidge the other thought none. It's all fine. -Chris Lucas #40072 Flying - From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lark Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: RV10-List: Aileron trailing edge - Hi all - I'm presently working on the trailing edge of my ailerons (please see jpg) and have noticed the VA-140 wedge extrusion is sticking out of the aileron skins by almost 1/16".- I obviously have not misplaced the extrusion as a ll holes are already punched.- This is not the case with the rudder, elev ators etc, as their skins are flush with the extrusion.- Joe at Vans was not concerned, but still I can't help but think the skins are a little shor t.- - Has anyone else run into this? - Regards,- - Rick #40956 Southampton, Ont - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.