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1. 11:23 AM - Rear Seat Heat Issue (jchang10)
2. 11:46 AM - Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (Marcus Cooper)
3. 12:07 PM - Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (Pascal)
4. 12:33 PM - Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (jchang10)
5. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (Miller John)
6. 02:01 PM - Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (Marcus Cooper)
7. 02:14 PM - Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (Tim Olson)
8. 02:28 PM - Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (Pascal)
9. 02:32 PM - Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (David Maib)
10. 06:25 PM - Re: New Headset Bracket Design (Robin Marks)
11. 07:32 PM - Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue (rv10flyer)
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| Subject: | Rear Seat Heat Issue |
I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint brought up by
rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and little to
none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane? It is so odd
that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting, but the rear
seat passengers are chilled.
A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area cover has those
corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move forward. In
fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward. I will try and
seal those gaps up somehow eventually.
Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the heat openings, such
as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to retrofit them in and
whether or not it would be effective.
Any thoughts?
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
Jae,
I haven't really had much of a problem with heating the cabin, even in very
cold weather. A big difference may be that I installed the Flightline Interiors
package which includes a lining on the back bulkhead which completely seals
it from airflow. You may want to work on sealing the gaps as you mentioned before
working too hard on the other solutions.
One problem I have not yet dealt with is the leaking cold air through the front
vents. There have been a number of posting on how to solve this on the forum,
I've just been too lazy to apply them. A rag in the vent is an effective, but
decidedly poor solution if you come across rain.
Marcus
do not archive
On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:19 PM, jchang10 wrote:
I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint brought up by
rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and little to
none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane? It is so odd
that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting, but the rear
seat passengers are chilled.
A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area cover has those
corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move forward. In
fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward. I will try and
seal those gaps up somehow eventually.
Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the heat openings, such
as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to retrofit them in and
whether or not it would be effective.
Any thoughts?
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any leaks. What
type of vents are you using?
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seat Heat Issue
Jae,
I haven't really had much of a problem with heating the cabin, even in
very cold weather. A big difference may be that I installed the Flightline
Interiors package which includes a lining on the back bulkhead which
completely seals it from airflow. You may want to work on sealing the gaps
as you mentioned before working too hard on the other solutions.
One problem I have not yet dealt with is the leaking cold air through the
front vents. There have been a number of posting on how to solve this on
the forum, I've just been too lazy to apply them. A rag in the vent is an
effective, but decidedly poor solution if you come across rain.
Marcus
do not archive
On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:19 PM, jchang10 wrote:
I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint brought
up by rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and
little to none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane?
It is so odd that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting,
but the rear seat passengers are chilled.
A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area cover has
those corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move
forward. In fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward.
I will try and seal those gaps up somehow eventually.
Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the heat
openings, such as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to
retrofit them in and whether or not it would be effective.
Any thoughts?
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
Hmm, a few people mentioned once they added a backing to the baggage cover to seal
those gaps, they have not had any complaints about rear seat heat.
I'll start looking for something to use for backing, and hope it solves my problem
too.
Thanks again!
Jae
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#40533 RV-10
First flight 10/19/2011
Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
I got my fire retardant treated foam from Abby at Flightline Interiors.
On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:30 PM, jchang10 wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
I used the standard plastic ones. There's a fix reported to add some sealant to
the barrel after putting wax on the valve portion.
Marcus
do not archive
On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Pascal wrote:
I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any leaks. What type
of vents are you using?
-----Original Message----- From: Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seat Heat Issue
Jae,
I haven't really had much of a problem with heating the cabin, even in very cold
weather. A big difference may be that I installed the Flightline Interiors
package which includes a lining on the back bulkhead which completely seals it
from airflow. You may want to work on sealing the gaps as you mentioned before
working too hard on the other solutions.
One problem I have not yet dealt with is the leaking cold air through the front
vents. There have been a number of posting on how to solve this on the forum,
I've just been too lazy to apply them. A rag in the vent is an effective, but
decidedly poor solution if you come across rain.
Marcus
do not archive
On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:19 PM, jchang10 wrote:
I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint brought up by
rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and little to
none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane? It is so odd
that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting, but the rear
seat passengers are chilled.
A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area cover has those
corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move forward. In
fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward. I will try and
seal those gaps up somehow eventually.
Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the heat openings, such
as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to retrofit them in and
whether or not it would be effective.
Any thoughts?
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
I had plastic. They leaked something awful. I now have aluminum. They seal pretty
well.
Big difference, but big difference in price too.
Tim
On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85@verizon.net> wrote:
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> I used the standard plastic ones. There's a fix reported to add some sealant
to the barrel after putting wax on the valve portion.
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> Marcus
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> On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Pascal wrote:
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> I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any leaks. What
type of vents are you using?
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> -----Original Message----- From: Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seat Heat Issue
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> Jae,
> I haven't really had much of a problem with heating the cabin, even in very cold
weather. A big difference may be that I installed the Flightline Interiors
package which includes a lining on the back bulkhead which completely seals
it from airflow. You may want to work on sealing the gaps as you mentioned before
working too hard on the other solutions.
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> One problem I have not yet dealt with is the leaking cold air through the front
vents. There have been a number of posting on how to solve this on the forum,
I've just been too lazy to apply them. A rag in the vent is an effective,
but decidedly poor solution if you come across rain.
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> Marcus
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by rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and little
to none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane? It is so
odd that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting, but the rear
seat passengers are chilled.
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corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move forward. In
fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward. I will try
and seal those gaps up somehow eventually.
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such as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to retrofit them in and
whether or not it would be effective.
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
I mentioned the ones I bought from Steinair. At the time I was building
these came recommended- I hesitated buying a couple as they are expensive,
but they have been quite solid and never opened or leaked in flight. I
recommend these as being a good decision for those still needing vents.
http://www.steinair.com/store.cfm?tlcatid=30
I do recall that there was a thread, maybe VAF that mentioned a while back
that the plastic ones did have a problem but there was a solution, seems you
found that.
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seat Heat Issue
I used the standard plastic ones. There's a fix reported to add some
sealant to the barrel after putting wax on the valve portion.
Marcus
do not archive
On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Pascal wrote:
I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any leaks. What
type of vents are you using?
-----Original Message----- From: Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seat Heat Issue
Jae,
I haven't really had much of a problem with heating the cabin, even in very
cold weather. A big difference may be that I installed the Flightline
Interiors package which includes a lining on the back bulkhead which
completely seals it from airflow. You may want to work on sealing the gaps
as you mentioned before working too hard on the other solutions.
One problem I have not yet dealt with is the leaking cold air through the
front vents. There have been a number of posting on how to solve this on
the forum, I've just been too lazy to apply them. A rag in the vent is an
effective, but decidedly poor solution if you come across rain.
Marcus
do not archive
On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:19 PM, jchang10 wrote:
I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint brought
up by rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at their feet and
little to none above their waist. Has anyone addressed this in their plane?
It is so odd that the front seats get almost all of the heat to be toasting,
but the rear seat passengers are chilled.
A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area cover has
those corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the tailcone to move
forward. In fact, it seems most of my air in the cabin flows aft to forward.
I will try and seal those gaps up somehow eventually.
Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the heat
openings, such as the rotating air vents. I have to look into how to
retrofit them in and whether or not it would be effective.
Any thoughts?
Jae
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
I have these aluminum ones from Vans. They are expensive, but they
work great with no leaking of air or water. They fit right on the
Van's mounting with no modification. My Flightline Interiors rear
bulkhead panel probably cuts down on some of the cold air coming out
of the tail, but it is still pretty cold in the back seat on long
flights in cold temps. The baggage area stays very cool, as well.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
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> I had plastic. They leaked something awful. I now have aluminum.
> They seal pretty well.
> Big difference, but big difference in price too.
> Tim
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> On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:57 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85@verizon.net> wrote:
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>> I used the standard plastic ones. There's a fix reported to add
>> some sealant to the barrel after putting wax on the valve portion.
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>> Marcus
>> do not archive
>> On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Pascal wrote:
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>> I bought the aluminum vents from Steinair, I haven't noticed any
>> leaks. What type of vents are you using?
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>> -----Original Message----- From: Marcus Cooper
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rear Seat Heat Issue
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>> Jae,
>> I haven't really had much of a problem with heating the cabin,
>> even in very cold weather. A big difference may be that I
>> installed the Flightline Interiors package which includes a lining
>> on the back bulkhead which completely seals it from airflow. You
>> may want to work on sealing the gaps as you mentioned before
>> working too hard on the other solutions.
>>
>> One problem I have not yet dealt with is the leaking cold air
>> through the front vents. There have been a number of posting on
>> how to solve this on the forum, I've just been too lazy to apply
>> them. A rag in the vent is an effective, but decidedly poor
>> solution if you come across rain.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> do not archive
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>> On Jan 15, 2012, at 2:19 PM, jchang10 wrote:
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>> I haven't seen this issue brought up much here. A common complaint
>> brought up by rear seat passengers, is that all of the heat is at
>> their feet and little to none above their waist. Has anyone
>> addressed this in their plane? It is so odd that the front seats
>> get almost all of the heat to be toasting, but the rear seat
>> passengers are chilled.
>>
>> A factor contributing to the cold air is that the baggage area
>> cover has those corrugated bends, which allows cold air from the
>> tailcone to move forward. In fact, it seems most of my air in the
>> cabin flows aft to forward. I will try and seal those gaps up
>> somehow eventually.
>>
>> Another idea is to add some kind of directional control to the
>> heat openings, such as the rotating air vents. I have to look into
>> how to retrofit them in and whether or not it would be effective.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Jae
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| Subject: | New Headset Bracket Design |
Attached is a cell photo of the nylon strap headset solution. I have seen t
hinner strapping used and it probably works better. This strapping was exce
ss from my seatbelts so I figured why not (the pax don't need no stinking s
eatbelts).
Robin
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 8:19 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: New Headset Bracket Design
Rob, I was just showing our solution. No commerce here. If you can't make a
set then I would try go with the nylon strap & Velcro. Making those are ul
tra easy and they work just as well it's just a little harder to reach to p
ut in the headsets in place. I will try to snap a few photos soon of the se
tup we use on the 8A.
Robin
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wner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]> On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Headset Bracket Design
Well... do tell how we can buy a pair.
Do not archive
Rob Kermanj
On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
We have recently been playing around with a headset bracket that would work
with the beautiful Aerosport interior we recently installed. In my 8A we w
ent the simple route with a color matched nylon strap and Velcro to hold th
e headsets when not in use. For the RV-10 I wanted the headsets low & out o
f the way for several reasons. Because of how low I wanted the headsets usi
ng a strap was not that easy to reach. We built up a hanging bracket that i
s ultra-light weight (thin material) and hangs over the edge of the interio
r paneling. Works well so far and keeps the headsets substantially out of v
iew.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Rear Seat Heat Issue |
I have the larger eyeball vents from Stein. They leak so little it is barely noticeable.
I have sealed the corrugations. I have aileron pushrod boots from Abby.
I have painted interior.
I like it cool in the plane, so I wear a tshirt while the rest of my family dresses
much warmer. We flew this morning at 20F on the ground. They all have small
lightweight wool blankets and need them. If we went down in a remote area or
if the need arose to escape through fire we are more prepared.
Agree, there is more than enough heat, but not in the right areas. I may try to
redirect it, but the family is fine dressing in warm cotton/wool clothing. When
we land we needed the warm clothes anyway. I just pull mine out of the baggage
area.
We will never be nice and toasty like in an airliner, a car or house because of
the low insulation values. Airliners have double pane windows which help alot
at -60C.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
Bldr# 40983SB Started 12/1/2009
N715WD Flying 12/1/2011. Paint 2012.
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