---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/20/12: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:27 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (Jesse Saint) 2. 07:06 AM - Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (tsts4) 3. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (Pascal) 4. 08:04 AM - Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (Kellym) 5. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (Pascal) 6. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (Kelly McMullen) 7. 09:00 AM - Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (tsts4) 8. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (BPA) 9. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (Kelly McMullen) 10. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (BPA) 11. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (Rhonda Bewley) 12. 10:15 AM - Re: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? (Seano) 13. 09:31 PM - Any RV-10's in Hawaii Please? (Patrick Pulis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: Jesse Saint I don't think Mattituck is doing it either. I think Lycoming pulled it from them as well. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Jan 19, 2012, at 12:48 PM, woxofswa wrote: > > I spoke with them recently about an engine. It appears that neither Aerosport nor Barrett's build kit engines anymore. From what I gather, Lycoming has raised the kit prices to the point that there is no competitive margin for a house shop. > Aerosport will do a buildup of a 540 core, they just couldn't find one when I was looking. Barrett did find me one and I went with them. > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse in mostly done, finishing kit in progress. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364303#364303 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:54 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: "tsts4" Yep Mattituck stopped building new TMX 540s last Spring due to the "new" business relationship that Lycoming developed. I had a discussion with Mahlon from Mattituck about this over on VAF. My personal opinion is this move by Lycoming was purely an attempt to eliminate competition for their Thunderbolt engines. YMMV.... In the end, a BPE rebuilt be came the best option for me. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364355#364355 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:42 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? You will be so much happier to have a BPA rebuilt than a new engine. You'll need to fly 40 versus 25 hours, but having that engine will run so much more smoothly than a new Lycoming. P -----Original Message----- From: tsts4 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:03 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Yep Mattituck stopped building new TMX 540s last Spring due to the "new" business relationship that Lycoming developed. I had a discussion with Mahlon from Mattituck about this over on VAF. My personal opinion is this move by Lycoming was purely an attempt to eliminate competition for their Thunderbolt engines. YMMV.... In the end, a BPE rebuilt be came the best option for me. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364355#364355 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:27 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: "Kellym" rv10flyer(at)verizon.net wrote: > You will be so much happier to have a BPA rebuilt than a new engine. You'll > need to fly 40 versus 25 hours, but having that engine will run so much more > smoothly than a new Lycoming. > P > -- Whether the engine is new or overhauled has no bearing on the hours for Phase I testing. Only whether it is a certified configuration of engine and prop or not is what determines that. -------- Kelly McMullen A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 KCHD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364358#364358 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:06 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? You are correct, if one uses Lycoming parts it would be certified. I was thinking about Eci cylinders as applied to me. Thank you for that clarification. -----Original Message----- From: Kellym Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:02 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? rv10flyer(at)verizon.net wrote: > You will be so much happier to have a BPA rebuilt than a new engine. > You'll > need to fly 40 versus 25 hours, but having that engine will run so much > more > smoothly than a new Lycoming. > P > -- Whether the engine is new or overhauled has no bearing on the hours for Phase I testing. Only whether it is a certified configuration of engine and prop or not is what determines that. -------- Kelly McMullen A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 KCHD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364358#364358 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: Kelly McMullen ECI cylinders, if PMA'd would not change that situation. More likely stuff like electronic ignition or non-certified prop will cause the extra time. You can have a certified engine that has 99.9% PMA parts with only the sump with the data plate being OEM. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Pascal wrote: > > You are correct, if one uses Lycoming parts it would be certified. I was > thinking about Eci cylinders as applied to me. > Thank you for that clarification. > > -----Original Message----- From: Kellym > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:02 AM > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? > > > > rv10flyer(at)verizon.net wrote: > >> You will be so much happier to have a BPA rebuilt than a new engine. >> You'll >> need to fly 40 versus 25 hours, but having that engine will run so much >> more >> smoothly than a new Lycoming. >> P >> -- >> > > Whether the engine is new or overhauled has no bearing on the hours for > Phase I testing. Only whether it is a certified configuration of engine and > prop or not is what determines that. > > -------- > Kelly McMullen > A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 > KCHD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=364358#364358 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:46 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: "tsts4" In my case I'll get the 40 hr Phase I due to the addition of an AFP FI system which will make it a experimental BPE IO-540-C4B5 with a BPE serial number instead of a Lycoming IO-540. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364368#364368 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: "BPA" Technically Todd, it's an IO-540X. The engine is rated at 2700 max continuous rpm. Allen B. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? In my case I'll get the 40 hr Phase I due to the addition of an AFP FI system which will make it a experimental BPE IO-540-C4B5 with a BPE serial number instead of a Lycoming IO-540. -------- Todd Stovall 728TT (reserved) RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364368#364368 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:59 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Which raises the interesting question of why Lycoming issued different model numbers for the 250 hp Aztec C4B5 vs the 260 hp Comanche D4A5, which besides governor setting are allegedly identical. I suppose the feds against aviation made them do it. On 1/20/2012 10:05 AM, BPA wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "BPA" > > Technically Todd, it's an IO-540X. The engine is rated at 2700 max > continuous rpm. > > Allen B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4 > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:58 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "tsts4" > > In my case I'll get the 40 hr Phase I due to the addition of an AFP FI > system which will make it a experimental BPE IO-540-C4B5 with a BPE > serial number instead of a Lycoming IO-540. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364368#364368 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: "BPA" Most likely Kelly, it is airframe related and requested by the manufacturer. You are correct though, they are identical engines. Except for the OEM data plate. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Which raises the interesting question of why Lycoming issued different model numbers for the 250 hp Aztec C4B5 vs the 260 hp Comanche D4A5, which besides governor setting are allegedly identical. I suppose the feds against aviation made them do it. On 1/20/2012 10:05 AM, BPA wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "BPA" > > Technically Todd, it's an IO-540X. The engine is rated at 2700 max > continuous rpm. > > Allen B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4 > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:58 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "tsts4" > > In my case I'll get the 40 hr Phase I due to the addition of an AFP FI > system which will make it a experimental BPE IO-540-C4B5 with a BPE > serial number instead of a Lycoming IO-540. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364368#364368 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:18 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: "Rhonda Bewley" It's possible the aircraft manufacturer wanted the hp restriction due to airframe issues. Rather than design and build a completely different engine, it was easier to restrict an engine already in production. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? Which raises the interesting question of why Lycoming issued different model numbers for the 250 hp Aztec C4B5 vs the 260 hp Comanche D4A5, which besides governor setting are allegedly identical. I suppose the feds against aviation made them do it. On 1/20/2012 10:05 AM, BPA wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "BPA" > > Technically Todd, it's an IO-540X. The engine is rated at 2700 max > continuous rpm. > > Allen B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4 > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:58 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? > > --> RV10-List message posted by: "tsts4" > > In my case I'll get the 40 hr Phase I due to the addition of an AFP FI > system which will make it a experimental BPE IO-540-C4B5 with a BPE > serial number instead of a Lycoming IO-540. > > -------- > Todd Stovall > 728TT (reserved) > RV-10 Empacone, Wings, Fuse > www.mykitlog.com/auburntsts > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364368#364368 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aero Sport Power no longer selling (I)O-540s? From: Seano Correct...I have an aerosport rebuilt, Hartzell combo with a 25 hr phase 1 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:02, "Kellym" wrote: > > > rv10flyer(at)verizon.net wrote: >> You will be so much happier to have a BPA rebuilt than a new engine. You'll >> need to fly 40 versus 25 hours, but having that engine will run so much more >> smoothly than a new Lycoming. >> P >> -- > > Whether the engine is new or overhauled has no bearing on the hours for Phase I testing. Only whether it is a certified configuration of engine and prop or not is what determines that. > > -------- > Kelly McMullen > A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286 > KCHD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364358#364358 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:52 PM PST US From: Patrick Pulis Subject: RV10-List: Any RV-10's in Hawaii Please? 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