---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/28/12: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:53 AM - Re: Loose aileron hinge bearings (James McGrew) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: Loose aileron hinge bearings (Kelly McMullen) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: Loose aileron hinge bearings (Dave Saylor) 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Loose aileron hinge bearings (Dave Saylor) 5. 07:41 AM - Re: N541RV First Flight (nukeflyboy) 6. 04:50 PM - Re: First flight video N541RV (Chris) 7. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: N541RV first flight (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Loose aileron hinge bearings From: James McGrew I just checked mine. Similiar to what you describe on 3 of 4 hinge bearings. Just enough play to feel a slight click when pushed on. 200 hours on my -10, so I'm guessing that's what it was like when new. -Jim N312JE On 1/27/12, Dave Saylor wrote: > > > I'm doing annual no. 5 and I see there's some looseness in 3 of the 4 > aileron hinge bearings. If I lift up or push/pull on the aileron I > can feel a little click and see a tiny bit of movement. I can't say > I've seen this before, but I don't think I really looked for it. I > have to look more carefully than I do on a preflight, but now that I'm > looking, it's obvious. The plane has 988 hours. > > I measured the play with a dial indicator and it's about .010" > radially between the inner ball and the outer race. I'm almost > certain the outer race is tight in the hinge bracket since I can see > part of the outer race with the aileron removed. > > I know on other homebuilts the ailerons can buzz when the hinges get > loose. Not flutter, just a high frequency hum. I don't notice > anything like that in flight. > > Has anyone else seen this? Can someone with newer bearings try the > same thing and let me know if you feel any looseness? > > I called the factory and Gus' impression was that it's probably not an > issue. Most of my experience with worn spherical bearings is on > helicopters, and these would just be approaching "boarderline". > > What do you guys think? > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > -- Sent from my mobile device ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Loose aileron hinge bearings From: Kelly McMullen Dave, I agree with you. I would monitor them and see if it gets any worse. If they get any worse, I think it would be worth the peace of mind to replace them. Control surfaces are not an area you want to tolerate much play. Of course, if you get the chance to be somewhere that 410RV happens to be on the ramp, you could see how the "original" is faring in this department. Maybe you could even get that infamous Tech Counselor (initials of Cox) that resides near the factory to do a surreptitious check of that aircraft or 220RV for you. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Dave Saylor < dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com> wrote: > > I know on other homebuilts the ailerons can buzz when the hinges get > loose. Not flutter, just a high frequency hum. I don't notice > anything like that in flight. > > Has anyone else seen this? Can someone with newer bearings try the > same thing and let me know if you feel any looseness? > > I called the factory and Gus' impression was that it's probably not an > issue. Most of my experience with worn spherical bearings is on > helicopters, and these would just be approaching "boarderline". > > What do you guys think? > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA 95076 > 831-722-9141 Shop > 831-750-0284 Cell > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:17 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Loose aileron hinge bearings Yeah, Gus and I talked a little bit about the easiest way to replace them (none). It wouldn't be that bad, but I'll avoid it a long as possible. If others note the same thing on newer ships then I'll fly it and watch it. I'm all ears for an Aurora report. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote: > Dave, > I agree with you. I would monitor them and see if it gets any worse. If they > get any worse, I think it would be worth the peace of mind to replace them. > Control surfaces are not an area you want to tolerate much play. Of course, > if you get the chance to be somewhere that 410RV happens to be on the ramp, > you could see how the "original" is faring in this department. Maybe you > could even get that infamous Tech Counselor (initials of Cox) that resides > near the factory to do a surreptitious check of that aircraft or 220RV for > you. > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Dave Saylor > wrote: >> >> >> I know on other homebuilts the ailerons can buzz when the hinges get >> loose. Not flutter, just a high frequency hum. I don't notice >> anything like that in flight. >> >> Has anyone else seen this? Can someone with newer bearings try the >> same thing and let me know if you feel any looseness? >> >> I called the factory and Gus' impression was that it's probably not an >> issue. Most of my experience with worn spherical bearings is on >> helicopters, and these would just be approaching "boarderline". >> >> What do you guys think? >> >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141Shop >> 831-750-0284Cell >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:18 AM PST US From: Dave Saylor Subject: Re: RV10-List: Loose aileron hinge bearings Thanks, Jim. That's what I was hoping. I don't think those bearings live a very hard life so it wouldn't make a lot of sense for them to be worn out already. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:50 AM, James McGrew wrote: > > I just checked mine. Similiar to what you describe on 3 of 4 hinge > bearings. Just enough play to feel a slight click when pushed on. 200 > hours on my -10, so I'm guessing that's what it was like when new. > > -Jim > N312JE > > > On 1/27/12, Dave Saylor wrote: >> >> >> I'm doing annual no. 5 and I see there's some looseness in 3 of the 4 >> aileron hinge bearings. If I lift up or push/pull on the aileron I >> can feel a little click and see a tiny bit of movement. I can't say >> I've seen this before, but I don't think I really looked for it. I >> have to look more carefully than I do on a preflight, but now that I'm >> looking, it's obvious. The plane has 988 hours. >> >> I measured the play with a dial indicator and it's about .010" >> radially between the inner ball and the outer race. I'm almost >> certain the outer race is tight in the hinge bracket since I can see >> part of the outer race with the aileron removed. >> >> I know on other homebuilts the ailerons can buzz when the hinges get >> loose. Not flutter, just a high frequency hum. I don't notice >> anything like that in flight. >> >> Has anyone else seen this? Can someone with newer bearings try the >> same thing and let me know if you feel any looseness? >> >> I called the factory and Gus' impression was that it's probably not an >> issue. Most of my experience with worn spherical bearings is on >> helicopters, and these would just be approaching "boarderline". >> >> What do you guys think? >> >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA 95076 >> 831-722-9141 Shop >> 831-750-0284 Cell >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:59 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: N541RV First Flight From: "nukeflyboy" Congratulations! I like the paint job and hope the plane flies as well. With some luck I may get air under my tires this summer. -------- Dave Moore RV-6 flying RV-10 QB - Working G3X panel Rest almost done Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365025#365025 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:28 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: RV10-List: First flight video N541RV Nice job Bob!! ...Your fellow 8 year builder -Chris Lucas N919AR flying From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:02 PM Subject: RV10-List: First flight video N541RV Here=99s a really lame attempt at editing some of the video together from my first flight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE9SsXji6Fs Bob Newman 40176 ...flying N541RV ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:27 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: RV10-List: re: N541RV first flight can I ask....empty weight? -Chris From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bob-tcw Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 8:25 AM Subject: RV10-List: re: N541RV first flight Thanks to all for your compliments, congrats, and support, from both on-list and off-list email. I really do appreciate it. For those that inquired here=99s some of the details on the plane: Stock Lycoming O-540-E4B5 converted to fuel injection with AFP system 3 AFS screens in a symmetrical fiberglass panel (dual 4500=99s with a 3400 as a mfd) and AFS pilot autopilot dual Garmin 430W for radios/nav/gps PS engineering audio panel GTX327 transponder Navworx 600-b ADS-b tranceiver MH pulse O2 system CO guardin panel mount detector TCW Technologies stuff......everything we got Smile Paint: All body work and prep by me, Paint shot by Lancaster Aero Refinisher at S37 Azko Noble paint wet sanded and clear coated the whole plane. Interior: Abbey at Flightline plus custom interior panels by Aerosport products plus some by me. Thanks again to everyone that helped along the way! 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