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1. 07:19 AM - Re: N541RV.....the grin continues (Robin Marks)
2. 03:38 PM - new BP reward program (DLM)
3. 04:12 PM - Re: new BP reward program (Robin Marks)
4. 04:20 PM - Proper nyloc nut torquing (Dan Charrois)
5. 04:28 PM - Re: new BP reward program (n801bh@netzero.com)
6. 04:43 PM - Re: Proper nyloc nut torquing (n801bh@netzero.com)
7. 04:51 PM - Re: Proper nyloc nut torquing (Rene Felker)
8. 05:02 PM - Re: new BP reward program (Pascal)
9. 05:31 PM - Re: new BP reward program (DLM)
10. 06:33 PM - Re: new BP reward program (Pascal)
11. 07:48 PM - Re: Helicoil kit for nose wheel - still in circulation? (bill.peyton)
12. 07:53 PM - Re: Midwest Paint Shops (bill.peyton)
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| Subject: | Re: N541RV.....the grin continues |
In my regular commute Tuesday I had a good push of a tail wind producing a
203 knot ground speed on 13.2 gph. I was grinning too till my decent closer
to the mountain ridges. What a great plane for traveling.
Robin
Sent from my iPad2.
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:47 PM, "Scott Schmidt" <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com<mailto
:scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Yup, the grin never goes away.
It just gets better and better. It is an amazing plane. I wish more flew it
before buying a Cessna or Cirrus.
-Scott
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 1, 2012, at 5:07 AM, "bob-tcw" <<mailto:rnewman@tcwtech.com>rnewman@
tcwtech.com<mailto:rnewman@tcwtech.com>> wrote:
Robin, I was burning 15 gph with all egt < 1400F, so about 50-75 rich
of peak, all cht <350F.
bob
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From: Robin Marks<mailto:robin@PaintTheWeb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N541RV.....the grin continues
Bob what's your fuel burn at 70% / 4500'?
Good fun ain't it.
Robin
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On Jan 31, 2012, at 7:59 PM, "Bill Watson" <<mailto:mauledriver@nc.rr.com>m
auledriver@nc.rr.com<mailto:mauledriver@nc.rr.com>> wrote:
Yep, know exactly what you are saying. One sweet ride
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On Jan 31, 2012, at 9:04 PM, "bob-tcw" <<mailto:rnewman@tcwtech.com>rnewman
@tcwtech.com<mailto:rnewman@tcwtech.com>> wrote:
For those already flying you know what I=92m about to say...,,,, for those
building, holy cow, this is one going airplane!
Today I left the comfort of the local airport practice area and began the e
xploration of my Phase 1 area. I headed out on a 166 nm journey and in
1 hour I was back where I started!! Leveled out and cruising I saw 171 t
o 173 knots TAS at 4500 ft and 70% power the whole way, rock steady. I
was with full fuel, and with about 50 lbs of junk in the trunk.
Bob Newman
N541RV 8 hrs.
having more fun than I can remember in a long time!
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| Subject: | new BP reward program |
They have secured first place in the "Baffle them with BS" contest. The old
program was straight forward percentages of purchase; now they obfuscate the
situation with cents per gallon. Plug in some numbers and see that they are
limiting the fuel purchase rebate to fewer than 3% at today's prices whereas
their old rate was 5%.
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| Subject: | new BP reward program |
Wait... now I am totally confused an oil company is trying to screw the cus
tomer. How can that be?
Robin
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: new BP reward program
They have secured first place in the "Baffle them with BS" contest. The old
program was straight forward percentages of purchase; now they obfuscate t
he situation with cents per gallon. Plug in some numbers and see that they
are limiting the fuel purchase rebate to fewer than 3% at today's prices wh
ereas their old rate was 5%.
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| Subject: | Proper nyloc nut torquing |
Hi there.
When I first started building my RV10, I was introduced to "proper" torquing of
nuts, and probably like most people, was surprised at how light typical torquing
forces were. Most of my life, I'd been overtorquing nuts, and it's nice to
finally know how to do it right.
But I'm the sort of person who when I learn something want to learn it fully, and
now I'm not sure I actually *have* been doing it right. Like probably most
people, I've been following Van's guidelines in section 5V for torquing. I've
found that this corresponds with AC43.13-1B, Table 7-1 (with a small deviation
for AN10 bolts, but I haven't ran into anything that big yet), so it seems
like a reliable guide.
The only problem is that AC43.13-1B specifies those torque values are for oil-free
cadmium-plated (but otherwise standard) fine threads.. not particularly for
nylocs. And most of Van's nuts are nylocs.
Proper torquing values take into account friction between the face of the nut and
the surface, force required to lengthen the bolt (which is ultimately what
a specified torque is trying to control), and dry thread friction. But nylocs
have far more dry thread friction than standard nuts - that's what they're for,
after all. Measuring the prevailing torque on AN3- and AN4-sized nuts (before
the face of the nut contacts the surface), I've found a few foot pounds of
torque required to just overcome the nyloc's friction. Installing into nutplates
usually requires even more prevailing torque than nylocs do.
>From what I've read, this sort of prevailing torque should really be added to
the final installed torque. And that makes sense - a nyloc or nutplate's internal
friction does nothing to add stress to a bolt under load - it only adds stress
while the nut is actually being torqued (and of course, helps prevent the
nut from loosening later on its own)
I know this is pretty much nit-picking - thousands of RVs have been built and are
flying fine, and I'd be willing to wager than 90% or more of the builders never
worry about this and just used the torque values that Van's quoted. The
torque values specify a range anyway. But I'm doing this as more an exercise
of understanding the engineering involved. Am I correct in this assumption, and
that theoretically the prevailing torque of nylocs and/or nutplates should
be added to the torque values Van's provides? That would add a few extra foot
pounds to the torque values aimed for, which might at least have a small significance
for smaller bolts like the AN3s which aren't torqued very high in the
first place.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: new BP reward program |
I still get rattled when they use " Beyond Petroleum" as a spin to their
name.... For gosh sakes just use the real name of " British Petreleum "
. I am sure the did market studies and the majority of people reacted ne
gatively to a foreign company.......
Anyone else notice BP's new commercials trying to get visitors back to t
he Gulf Coast after the spill ? They use subliminal messaging by posting
their name on a solid color screen for the last 8 seconds of the commer
cial..... Sheeples buy into that stuff..... YMMV.
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "DLM" <dlm34077@q.com>
Subject: RV10-List: new BP reward program
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| Subject: | Re: Proper nyloc nut torquing |
http://www.mechanicsupport.com/Nylock_nut_torques.html
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: Dan Charrois <danlist@syz.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Proper nyloc nut torquing
Hi there.
When I first started building my RV10, I was introduced to "proper" torq
uing of nuts, and probably like most people, was surprised at how light
typical torquing forces were. Most of my life, I'd been overtorquing nu
ts, and it's nice to finally know how to do it right.
But I'm the sort of person who when I learn something want to learn it f
ully, and now I'm not sure I actually *have* been doing it right. Like
probably most people, I've been following Van's guidelines in section 5V
for torquing. I've found that this corresponds with AC43.13-1B, Table
7-1 (with a small deviation for AN10 bolts, but I haven't ran into anyth
ing that big yet), so it seems like a reliable guide.
The only problem is that AC43.13-1B specifies those torque values are fo
r oil-free cadmium-plated (but otherwise standard) fine threads.. not pa
rticularly for nylocs. And most of Van's nuts are nylocs.
Proper torquing values take into account friction between the face of th
e nut and the surface, force required to lengthen the bolt (which is ult
imately what a specified torque is trying to control), and dry thread fr
iction. But nylocs have far more dry thread friction than standard nuts
- that's what they're for, after all. Measuring the prevailing torque
on AN3- and AN4-sized nuts (before the face of the nut contacts the surf
ace), I've found a few foot pounds of torque required to just overcome t
he nyloc's friction. Installing into nutplates usually requires even mo
re prevailing torque than nylocs do.
>From what I've read, this sort of prevailing torque should really be ad
ded to the final installed torque. And that makes sense - a nyloc or nu
tplate's internal friction does nothing to add stress to a bolt under lo
ad - it only adds stress while the nut is actually being torqued (and of
course, helps prevent the nut from loosening later on its own)
I know this is pretty much nit-picking - thousands of RVs have been buil
t and are flying fine, and I'd be willing to wager than 90% or more of t
he builders never worry about this and just used the torque values that
Van's quoted. The torque values specify a range anyway. But I'm doing
this as more an exercise of understanding the engineering involved. Am
I correct in this assumption, and that theoretically the prevailing torq
ue of nylocs and/or nutplates should be added to the torque values Van's
provides? That would add a few extra foot pounds to the torque values
aimed for, which might at least have a small significance for smaller bo
lts like the AN3s which aren't torqued very high in the first place.
Dan
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Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada
Phone: 780-961-2213
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| Subject: | Proper nyloc nut torquing |
I think you have it correct. But, I just set my wrench to the high side of
the range and went for it. I could not figure out how to accurately measure
the resistance.....
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Charrois
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:17 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Proper nyloc nut torquing
Hi there.
When I first started building my RV10, I was introduced to "proper" torquing
of nuts, and probably like most people, was surprised at how light typical
torquing forces were. Most of my life, I'd been overtorquing nuts, and it's
nice to finally know how to do it right.
But I'm the sort of person who when I learn something want to learn it
fully, and now I'm not sure I actually *have* been doing it right. Like
probably most people, I've been following Van's guidelines in section 5V for
torquing. I've found that this corresponds with AC43.13-1B, Table 7-1 (with
a small deviation for AN10 bolts, but I haven't ran into anything that big
yet), so it seems like a reliable guide.
The only problem is that AC43.13-1B specifies those torque values are for
oil-free cadmium-plated (but otherwise standard) fine threads.. not
particularly for nylocs. And most of Van's nuts are nylocs.
Proper torquing values take into account friction between the face of the
nut and the surface, force required to lengthen the bolt (which is
ultimately what a specified torque is trying to control), and dry thread
friction. But nylocs have far more dry thread friction than standard nuts -
that's what they're for, after all. Measuring the prevailing torque on AN3-
and AN4-sized nuts (before the face of the nut contacts the surface), I've
found a few foot pounds of torque required to just overcome the nyloc's
friction. Installing into nutplates usually requires even more prevailing
torque than nylocs do.
>From what I've read, this sort of prevailing torque should really be added
to the final installed torque. And that makes sense - a nyloc or nutplate's
internal friction does nothing to add stress to a bolt under load - it only
adds stress while the nut is actually being torqued (and of course, helps
prevent the nut from loosening later on its own)
I know this is pretty much nit-picking - thousands of RVs have been built
and are flying fine, and I'd be willing to wager than 90% or more of the
builders never worry about this and just used the torque values that Van's
quoted. The torque values specify a range anyway. But I'm doing this as
more an exercise of understanding the engineering involved. Am I correct in
this assumption, and that theoretically the prevailing torque of nylocs
and/or nutplates should be added to the torque values Van's provides? That
would add a few extra foot pounds to the torque values aimed for, which
might at least have a small significance for smaller bolts like the AN3s
which aren't torqued very high in the first place.
Dan
--
Syzygy Research & Technology
Box 83, Legal, AB T0G 1L0 Canada
Phone: 780-961-2213
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| Subject: | Re: new BP reward program |
Let=99s see I get 1-2% on my American Express towards gas, BP wont
give you squat unless you buy Amoco or BP (although Arco, a BP company
wont except the card) but 3% is well... 3%. I have not seen the fine
print but it does say =9C5% on fuel purchases=9D so I am
interested in the technicality that makes it less than 3%.. were did you
get the 3% from?
I have a application I was about to send off so this is great timing.
From: DLM
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: new BP reward program
They have secured first place in the =9CBaffle them with
BS=9D contest. The old program was straight forward percentages of
purchase; now they obfuscate the situation with cents per gallon. Plug
in some numbers and see that they are limiting the fuel purchase rebate
to fewer than 3% at today=99s prices whereas their old rate was
5%.
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| Subject: | new BP reward program |
I have been getting 5% using a BP Visa card at BP FBOs; now they are
changing to limit rebate to 15 cents per gallon; I have been getting 25
cents plus on $5 100LL for at least a year.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: new BP reward program
Let's see I get 1-2% on my American Express towards gas, BP wont give you
squat unless you buy Amoco or BP (although Arco, a BP company wont except
the card) but 3% is well... 3%. I have not seen the fine print but it does
say "5% on fuel purchases" so I am interested in the technicality that makes
it less than 3%.. were did you get the 3% from?
I have a application I was about to send off so this is great timing.
From: DLM <mailto:dlm34077@q.com>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: new BP reward program
They have secured first place in the "Baffle them with BS" contest. The old
program was straight forward percentages of purchase; now they obfuscate the
situation with cents per gallon. Plug in some numbers and see that they are
limiting the fuel purchase rebate to fewer than 3% at today's prices whereas
their old rate was 5%.
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| Subject: | Re: new BP reward program |
They still advertise:
With your BP Visa Card, you can:
a.. Earn 5% rebates on all BP location purchases
b.. Earn 2% rebates on all eligible travel and dining purchases
c.. Earn 1% rebates on all other eligible purchases
Nice marketing and poor follow-through!
From: DLM
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: new BP reward program
I have been getting 5% using a BP Visa card at BP FBOs; now they are
changing to limit rebate to 15 cents per gallon; I have been getting 25
cents plus on $5 100LL for at least a year.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: new BP reward program
Let=99s see I get 1-2% on my American Express towards gas, BP wont
give you squat unless you buy Amoco or BP (although Arco, a BP company
wont except the card) but 3% is well... 3%. I have not seen the fine
print but it does say =9C5% on fuel purchases=9D so I am
interested in the technicality that makes it less than 3%.. were did you
get the 3% from?
I have a application I was about to send off so this is great timing.
From: DLM
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: RV10-List: new BP reward program
They have secured first place in the =9CBaffle them with
BS=9D contest. The old program was straight forward percentages of
purchase; now they obfuscate the situation with cents per gallon. Plug
in some numbers and see that they are limiting the fuel purchase rebate
to fewer than 3% at today=99s prices whereas their old rate was
5%.
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| Subject: | Re: Helicoil kit for nose wheel - still in circulation? |
Lew,
I would like to make the mod to my front wheel and use your tools. I think I understand
what you are doing, but need to see a dwg. Also, you mentioned you
have a source the bolts and washers.
Thanks
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Midwest Paint Shops |
There is a great paint shop in Quincy Il at UIN. I have seen his work and it is
great. Price for RV-8 was 8K.
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