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1. 04:48 AM - Re: Looking for Finish kit and FF kit inventories (was fuselage kit inventory) (Carlos Trigo)
2. 10:14 AM - Rv10 insurance (DLM)
3. 10:39 AM - Re: Rv10 insurance (DLM)
4. 10:56 AM - Re: Rv10 insurance (Pascal)
5. 02:32 PM - Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Billy & Tami Britton)
6. 02:55 PM - Drilling the Spar Web? (maca2790)
7. 02:55 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Shannon Hicks)
8. 03:15 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (maca2790)
9. 03:49 PM - Re: Drilling the Spar Web? (Pascal)
10. 03:49 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Pascal)
11. 04:00 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Bob Leffler)
12. 04:18 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Linn Walters)
13. 04:30 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Kelly McMullen)
14. 04:37 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Billy & Tami Britton)
15. 04:51 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Linn Walters)
16. 04:56 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (n801bh@netzero.com)
17. 05:02 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (Carl Froehlich)
18. 05:04 PM - Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring (William Greenley)
19. 05:05 PM - Re: Drilling the Spar Web? (Carl Froehlich)
20. 05:39 PM - Re: Drilling the Spar Web? (Tim Olson)
21. 06:13 PM - Re: Drilling the Spar Web? (Robin Marks)
22. 06:43 PM - Re: Drilling the Spar Web? (Tim Olson)
23. 07:53 PM - Re: Rv10 insurance (rv10flyer)
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| Subject: | : RV10-List:Looking for Finish kit and FF kit inventories (was fuselage |
kit inventory)
Hi Gordon
That list surely helps me, because I'm helping a buddy to build an RV-10 in
Portugal (not so far from where you are located. next time I go to Zurich,
I'll try to make a visit).
And also the options and changes you made.
By the way, would you be so kind to also send the inventory lists for the
Finish kit and the Firewall Forward kit?
Thanks in advance
Carlos Trigo
#40788
Portugal
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Anderson
> Sent: segunda-feira, 6 de Fevereiro de 2012 21:17
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Looking for fuselage kit inventory
>
> Hi Stuewe,
>
> 2 documents are attached. First is the Van's text file contents for the
QB fuselage
> and wings.
> Second is the pdf of my final packing list from early 2011. If you look
on the last 2
> pages of this document you will see things marked as "-1" in the "Qty to
Pick"
> column - these are the items which I deleted after reading all the advice
on the
> forum. The last page also shows stuff I ordered additionally from Van's
along with
> the kit (Andair fuel valve, HID lights, etc).
>
> In summary:
> Change nose wheel and axle for Matco parts
> I skipped tyres and tubes at this point and will order them with the
windows and
> wingtip lenses from Desser
> Bonaco brake lines replace the plastic lines and associated hardware.
> Bonaco fuel and brake lines could replace the aluminum tubing except for
the tank
> breathers (I did not delete the alloy tubing).
> Andair fuel valve and pump.
> Gear leg fairings from S.Africa
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Gordon Anderson
> 41015
>
>
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Has anyone any experience with the Britt/Paulk insurance Agency? They may be
based in GA. Anyone have knowledge of their aviation insurance companies who
reinsure their customers?
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One insurance carrier is Star Insurance Southfield MI. Anyone have
experience?
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DLM
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:10 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rv10 insurance
Has anyone any experience with the Britt/Paulk insurance Agency? They may be
based in GA. Anyone have knowledge of their aviation insurance companies who
reinsure their customers?
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| Subject: | Re: Rv10 insurance |
I use them, they are the least expensive option for me.
I have Skysmith proving the insurance. They were great to work with. EAA
works with Britt/Paulk as well.
From: DLM
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Rv10 insurance
Has anyone any experience with the Britt/Paulk insurance Agency? They
may be based in GA. Anyone have knowledge of their aviation insurance
companies who reinsure their customers?
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| Subject: | Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one tank.
The balloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not found any
leaks so far. My question is how long does the balloon need to hold
air. It's not going down, or leaking anywhere--atleast from what I've
seen using the soapy water. Do I need to leave the balloon connected
for a certain amount of time (over night, or perhaps just a few hours)
before I move onto the next tank.
Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings before
I install my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through vans 3/4"
conduit. Is this good for now or should I pull wires? I've got a Gretz
heated pitot, will have Duckworks leading edge lights, and some type of
HID position/strobes in the wingtips. I do not plan on any wingtip
mounted antennas, so, have I missed anything else? Is there any of
these items, or any I may have missed, that I simply cannot do after the
bottom skins are installed?
Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan on
using yet. Can this all be completed later?
Thanks for any suggestions,
Bill
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| Subject: | Drilling the Spar Web? |
Hi, I'm thinking about drilling the Spar web under the co-pilots seat so that I
can mount my Safety Trim control box. Has anyone done similar or
have any thoughts on it?
cheers
John MacCallum
Builder 41016
VH-DUU
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365827#365827
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
You might want to consider the auto pilot harness, roll trim wires, and AOA
or stall sensor.
Shannon 41153
On Feb 7, 2012 4:43 PM, "Billy & Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
Hi Bill,
I can't help you there with the Fuel Tank testing since I have Quick Build wings
but the wiring issue I'm facing right now.
I'm using # 14 wire for the 55 watt Duckworks HIDs and # 16 for the Gretz Pitot
heat. I bench tested my Gretz yesterday and it was drawing 7 amps.
The HIDs when I tested them drew around 5.5 amps each on start and then settled
down to 3.5 amps. Duckworks recommend the use of #14 wire to aid the startup
process.
I'm running ground wires for each of the Lights as well as the Pitot heat.
The ground return for the Fuel Senders and Stall warning are via the airframe.
Check AC 43.13-1B chapter 11 for Electrical Information including the current
carrying capacity of wire.
cheers
John MacCallum
Builder #41016
VH-DUU
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling the Spar Web? |
don't drill the spar.
put it on the landing gear mount or somewhere else.
-----Original Message-----
From: maca2790
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Drilling the Spar Web?
Hi, I'm thinking about drilling the Spar web under the co-pilots seat so
that I can mount my Safety Trim control box. Has anyone done similar or
have any thoughts on it?
cheers
John MacCallum
Builder 41016
VH-DUU
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365827#365827
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
Leave the balloon on overnight. It will probably lose some air as Latex
does that but if you fill it pretty full and don=99t see any
bubbles you are probably fine. In my case I left it overnight and the
balloon was slightly less inflated, my tanks haven=99t leaked.
Wires- I left my bottom skins off until the end. I put all the wires in
as I went. However if you cut the conduit where the access panels are
you will be able to add and route wires with the skins on without any
issue.
Autopilot- let alone panel- are you 6 months from being done with the
plane- I planned 18 months before I finished and went the Dynon route,
the skyview was recently released and I felt I would be fine, but with
technology going the way it is with experimental plan on a panel, wire
for it and wait until you are completely ready before committing. In my
case I ended up making changes anyway and lost about $200 in wiring
changes (fast stack) if you are doing you=99r own wiring than it
would be a matter of adjusting pins for the new design.
I have the Dynon Skyview Autopilot- The servo looks like a Trutrak and
the price is right. Dynon is excellent for customer service unlike the
Gxxx certified company, if you want IFR, Dynon is working to improve
their system but it is not there yet, great for VFR. As I mentioned
above Dynon may be where you need by the time your ready, AFS uses
Trutrak.
There is a =9310 up in Norcal, he just bought his autopilot after
flying 60 plus hours on his plane.. your don=99t need a autopilot
right away, you need to know what you will buy first than focus on the
autopilot.
Hope this helps!
Pascal
From: Billy & Tami Britton
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:24 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one tank.
The balloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not found any
leaks so far. My question is how long does the balloon need to hold
air. It's not going down, or leaking anywhere--atleast from what I've
seen using the soapy water. Do I need to leave the balloon connected
for a certain amount of time (over night, or perhaps just a few hours)
before I move onto the next tank.
Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings before
I install my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through vans 3/4"
conduit. Is this good for now or should I pull wires? I've got a Gretz
heated pitot, will have Duckworks leading edge lights, and some type of
HID position/strobes in the wingtips. I do not plan on any wingtip
mounted antennas, so, have I missed anything else? Is there any of
these items, or any I may have missed, that I simply cannot do after the
bottom skins are installed?
Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan on
using yet. Can this all be completed later?
Thanks for any suggestions,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
If you have the vans conduit run, no problems with pulling wire after the bo
ttom skins on. The ap and stall are near openings and be reached later
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:24 PM, "Billy & Tami Britton" <william@gbta.net> wrote:
I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one tank. The b
alloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not found any leaks so far
. My question is how long does the balloon need to hold air. It's not goin
g down, or leaking anywhere--atleast from what I've seen using the soapy wat
er. Do I need to leave the balloon connected for a certain amount of time (
over night, or perhaps just a few hours) before I move onto the next tank.
Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings before I i
nstall my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through vans 3/4" condui
t. Is this good for now or should I pull wires? I've got a Gretz heated pi
tot, will have Duckworks leading edge lights, and some type of HID position/
strobes in the wingtips. I do not plan on any wingtip mounted antennas, so,
have I missed anything else? Is there any of these items, or any I may hav
e missed, that I simply cannot do after the bottom skins are installed?
Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan on usin
g yet. Can this all be completed later?
Thanks for any suggestions,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
On 2/7/2012 6:42 PM, Pascal wrote:
> Leave the balloon on overnight. It will probably lose some air as
> Latex does that but if you fill it pretty full and don=99t see an
y
> bubbles you are probably fine. In my case I left it overnight and the
> balloon was slightly less inflated, my tanks haven=99t leaked.
Barring any leaks the balloon may get bigger or smaller with a change in
ambient air pressure. If you set your altimeter (if you have a round
gauge) to 0 Ft. you can correlate what the balloon does.
Linn
snip
> Pascal
> *From:* Billy & Tami Britton <mailto:william@gbta.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:24 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
> I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one
> tank. The balloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not
> found any leaks so far. My question is how long does the balloon need
> to hold air. It's not going down, or leaking anywhere--atleast from
> what I've seen using the soapy water. Do I need to leave the balloon
> connected for a certain amount of time (over night, or perhaps just a
> few hours) before I move onto the next tank.
> Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings
> before I install my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through
> vans 3/4" conduit. Is this good for now or should I pull wires? I've
> got a Gretz heated pitot, will have Duckworks leading edge lights, and
> some type of HID position/strobes in the wingtips. I do not plan on
> any wingtip mounted antennas, so, have I missed anything else? Is
> there any of these items, or any I may have missed, that I simply
> cannot do after the bottom skins are installed?
> Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan
> on using yet. Can this all be completed later?
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
Ditto for temperature changes. If you want peace of mind, leave balloon
for a couple days and compare how it deflates and re-inflates with temp
changes.
On 2/7/2012 5:14 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
> On 2/7/2012 6:42 PM, Pascal wrote:
>> Leave the balloon on overnight. It will probably lose some air as
>> Latex does that but if you fill it pretty full and dont see any
>> bubbles you are probably fine. In my case I left it overnight and the
>> balloon was slightly less inflated, my tanks havent leaked.
> Barring any leaks the balloon may get bigger or smaller with a change
> in ambient air pressure. If you set your altimeter (if you have a
> round gauge) to 0 Ft. you can correlate what the balloon does.
> Linn
> snip
>> Pascal
>> *From:* Billy & Tami Britton <mailto:william@gbta.net>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:24 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
>> I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one
>> tank. The balloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not
>> found any leaks so far. My question is how long does the balloon
>> need to hold air. It's not going down, or leaking anywhere--atleast
>> from what I've seen using the soapy water. Do I need to leave the
>> balloon connected for a certain amount of time (over night, or
>> perhaps just a few hours) before I move onto the next tank.
>> Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings
>> before I install my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through
>> vans 3/4" conduit. Is this good for now or should I pull wires?
>> I've got a Gretz heated pitot, will have Duckworks leading edge
>> lights, and some type of HID position/strobes in the wingtips. I do
>> not plan on any wingtip mounted antennas, so, have I missed anything
>> else? Is there any of these items, or any I may have missed, that I
>> simply cannot do after the bottom skins are installed?
>> Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan
>> on using yet. Can this all be completed later?
>> Thanks for any suggestions,
>> Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
Thanks for the insight so far guys. After the first 2.5 hours the
balloon is still the same size. I'll leave it overnight and check it in
the morning. As for the autopilot harness, I'm sure it would be best to
run it now but I really don't know what I'm going to use and probably
won't mess with it until I decide on a panel (kinda up in the air
between AFS and GRT right now). However, it's taken me 3 winters so far
to get to this point on the wings so any plans I have now may completely
change before I need to start planning the panel. This is the biggest
reason I'm not buying anything other than mainly airframe stuff at this
point.
Thanks again,
Bill
From: Linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
On 2/7/2012 6:42 PM, Pascal wrote:
Leave the balloon on overnight. It will probably lose some air as
Latex does that but if you fill it pretty full and don=99t see any
bubbles you are probably fine. In my case I left it overnight and the
balloon was slightly less inflated, my tanks haven=99t leaked.
Barring any leaks the balloon may get bigger or smaller with a change in
ambient air pressure. If you set your altimeter (if you have a round
gauge) to 0 Ft. you can correlate what the balloon does.
Linn
snip
Pascal
From: Billy & Tami Britton
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:24 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one tank.
The balloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not found any
leaks so far. My question is how long does the balloon need to hold
air. It's not going down, or leaking anywhere--atleast from what I've
seen using the soapy water. Do I need to leave the balloon connected
for a certain amount of time (over night, or perhaps just a few hours)
before I move onto the next tank.
Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings
before I install my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through
vans 3/4" conduit. Is this good for now or should I pull wires? I've
got a Gretz heated pitot, will have Duckworks leading edge lights, and
some type of HID position/strobes in the wingtips. I do not plan on any
wingtip mounted antennas, so, have I missed anything else? Is there any
of these items, or any I may have missed, that I simply cannot do after
the bottom skins are installed?
Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan
on using yet. Can this all be completed later?
Thanks for any suggestions,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
On 2/7/2012 7:34 PM, Billy & Tami Britton wrote:
> Thanks for the insight so far guys. After the first 2.5 hours the
> balloon is still the same size. I'll leave it overnight and check it
> in the morning. As for the autopilot harness, I'm sure it would be
> best to run it now but I really don't know what I'm going to use and
> probably won't mess with it until I decide on a panel (kinda up in the
> air between AFS and GRT right now).
If you haven't yet, check out MGL .... http://www.mglavionics.com/.
Linn
> However, it's taken me 3 winters so far to get to this point on the
> wings so any plans I have now may completely change before I need to
> start planning the panel. This is the biggest reason I'm not buying
> anything other than mainly airframe stuff at this point.
> Thanks again,
> Bill
>
> *From:* Linn Walters <mailto:pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:14 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
>
> On 2/7/2012 6:42 PM, Pascal wrote:
>> Leave the balloon on overnight. It will probably lose some air as
>> Latex does that but if you fill it pretty full and don=99t see a
ny
>> bubbles you are probably fine. In my case I left it overnight and the
>> balloon was slightly less inflated, my tanks haven=99t leaked.
> Barring any leaks the balloon may get bigger or smaller with a change
> in ambient air pressure. If you set your altimeter (if you have a
> round gauge) to 0 Ft. you can correlate what the balloon does.
> Linn
> snip
>> Pascal
>> *From:* Billy & Tami Britton <mailto:william@gbta.net>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:24 PM
>> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> *Subject:* RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
>> I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one
>> tank. The balloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not
>> found any leaks so far. My question is how long does the balloon
>> need to hold air. It's not going down, or leaking anywhere--atleast
>> from what I've seen using the soapy water. Do I need to leave the
>> balloon connected for a certain amount of time (over night, or
>> perhaps just a few hours) before I move onto the next tank.
>> Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings
>> before I install my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through
>> vans 3/4" conduit. Is this good for now or should I pull wires?
>> I've got a Gretz heated pitot, will have Duckworks leading edge
>> lights, and some type of HID position/strobes in the wingtips. I do
>> not plan on any wingtip mounted antennas, so, have I missed anything
>> else? Is there any of these items, or any I may have missed, that I
>> simply cannot do after the bottom skins are installed?
>> Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan
>> on using yet. Can this all be completed later?
>> Thanks for any suggestions,
>> Bill
>> *
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
Temp will play a bigger part then ambient air pressure.. And latex ballo
ons leak badly, so you will see a smaller inflation of the balloon anywa
y. Best test is the bubble route... No bubbles - no leaks..IMHO.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
On 2/7/2012 6:42 PM, Pascal wrote:
Leave the balloon on overnight. It will probably lose some air as Latex
does that but if you fill it pretty full and don=99t see any bubbl
es you are probably fine. In my case I left it overnight and the balloon
was slightly less inflated, my tanks haven=99t leaked.Barring any
leaks the balloon may get bigger or smaller with a change in ambient ai
r pressure.=C2 If you set your altimeter (if you have a round gauge) to
0 Ft. you can correlate what the balloon does.
Linn
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| Subject: | Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
On my RV-8A I did the leak test and all, then ended up with a weeping rivet
on one tank (small blue fuel stain around the rivet). This happened before
paint so the fix was painless. On the RV-10 I did the leak test again, but
then put about 5 gallons of avgas in each tank, the tanks off the wings. I
left the tanks sit for a week or so then rotated each to a new position and
let them sit for another week. This way I got gas to sit on each rivet for
a few days. No weeps this time.
The side benefit of this weep test is that it provides an initial flush of
the tank. I drained the fuel via the sump fitting using an automotive
inline filter to a 5 gallon can. The next flush will be with the wings on
the plane, an automotive filter in place of the real fuel filter, and gas
pumped through the system to gas cans. This process also provided means to
calibrate the float fuel gauges and perform the required test to verify
adequate fuel system flow (after you replace the temporary filter with the
real fuel filter).
Carl
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy & Tami
Britton
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one tank. The
balloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not found any leaks so
far. My question is how long does the balloon need to hold air. It's not
going down, or leaking anywhere--atleast from what I've seen using the soapy
water. Do I need to leave the balloon connected for a certain amount of
time (over night, or perhaps just a few hours) before I move onto the next
tank.
Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings before I
install my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through vans 3/4"
conduit. Is this good for now or should I pull wires? I've got a Gretz
heated pitot, will have Duckworks leading edge lights, and some type of HID
position/strobes in the wingtips. I do not plan on any wingtip mounted
antennas, so, have I missed anything else? Is there any of these items, or
any I may have missed, that I simply cannot do after the bottom skins are
installed?
Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan on
using yet. Can this all be completed later?
Thanks for any suggestions,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring |
Is there any reason simply to cleco the bottom skin on, but wait to
rivet it until much later in the build.
Bill Greenley
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Billy & Tami Britton <william@gbta.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the insight so far guys. After the first 2.5 hours the balloon
> is still the same size. I'll leave it overnight and check it in
> themorning. As for the autopilot harness, I'm sure it would be best to run
> it now but I really don't know what I'm going to use and probably won't mess
> with it until I decide on a panel (kinda up in the air between AFS and GRT
> right now). However, it's taken me 3 winters so far to get to this point on
> the wings so any plans I have now may completely change before I need to
> start planning the panel. This is the biggest reason I'm not buying
> anything other than mainly airframe stuff at this point.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bill
>
> From: Linn Walters
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:14 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
>
> On 2/7/2012 6:42 PM, Pascal wrote:
>
> Leave the balloon on overnight. It will probably lose some air as Latex does
> that but if you fill it pretty full and dont see any bubbles you are
> probably fine. In my case I left it overnight and the balloon was slightly
> less inflated, my tanks havent leaked.
>
> Barring any leaks the balloon may get bigger or smaller with a change in
> ambient air pressure. If you set your altimeter (if you have a round gauge)
> to 0 Ft. you can correlate what the balloon does.
> Linn
> snip
>
> Pascal
>
> From: Billy & Tami Britton
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:24 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel tank leak testing, wing wiring
>
> I'm using vans fuel tank leak testing kit and have completed one tank. The
> balloon is holding air and using soapy water, I've not found any leaks so
> far. My question is how long does the balloon need to hold air. It's not
> going down, or leaking anywhere--atleast from what I've seen using the soapy
> water. Do I need to leave the balloon connected for a certain amount of
> time (over night, or perhaps just a few hours) before I move onto the next
> tank.
>
> Next, how do I determine what wire sizes to run through the wings before I
> install my bottom skins. I already have strings ran through vans 3/4"
> conduit. Is this good for now or should I pull wires? I've got a Gretz
> heated pitot, will have Duckworks leading edge lights, and some type of HID
> position/strobes in the wingtips. I do not plan on any wingtip mounted
> antennas, so, have I missed anything else? Is there any of these items, or
> any I may have missed, that I simply cannot do after the bottom skins are
> installed?
>
> Next, question is regarding the autopilot. I don't know what I plan on
> using yet. Can this all be completed later?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> Bill
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| Subject: | Drilling the Spar Web? |
Since most people have the control stick cable going to behind the panel to
connect the other stick switches, this tends to be a better place to mount
the Safety Trim box. Mine is mounted on the next forward bulkhead, top left
corner.
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Drilling the Spar Web?
don't drill the spar.
put it on the landing gear mount or somewhere else.
-----Original Message-----
From: maca2790
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Drilling the Spar Web?
Hi, I'm thinking about drilling the Spar web under the co-pilots seat so
that I can mount my Safety Trim control box. Has anyone done similar or
have any thoughts on it?
cheers
John MacCallum
Builder 41016
VH-DUU
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling the Spar Web? |
I wouldn't drill it. But, that plastic high-strength velcro 2" wide
would work perfectly.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 2/7/2012 4:47 PM, maca2790 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "maca2790"<vk2gcn@cirruscomms.com.au>
>
> Hi, I'm thinking about drilling the Spar web under the co-pilots seat so that
I can mount my Safety Trim control box. Has anyone done similar or
> have any thoughts on it?
>
> cheers
>
> John MacCallum
> Builder 41016
> VH-DUU
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365827#365827
>
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| Subject: | Drilling the Spar Web? |
Dual Lock is great stuff. I put in in some products I manufacture. It comes
in a couple of different interlocking head density as well as in Black or
Clear. It can be purchased in any HD / LOWES aviation department or on eBay
.
http://www.3m.com/product/information/Dual-Lock-Reclosable-Fastener.html
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-CLEAR-DUAL-LOCK-VHB-TYPE-250-1-W-X-6-FT-ROLL-/11
0811861079?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cce6d057#ht_500wt_1156
[Description: reclosable fastener]
Robin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Drilling the Spar Web?
0.com>>
I wouldn't drill it. But, that plastic high-strength velcro 2" wide would
work perfectly.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 2/7/2012 4:47 PM, maca2790 wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by:
> --> "maca2790"<vk2gcn@cirruscomms.com.au<mailto:vk2gcn@cirruscomms.com.au
>>
>
> Hi, I'm thinking about drilling the Spar web under the co-pilots seat
> so that I can mount my Safety Trim control box. Has anyone done similar o
r have any thoughts on it?
>
> cheers
>
> John MacCallum
> Builder 41016
> VH-DUU
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365827#365827
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| Subject: | Re: Drilling the Spar Web? |
That's the stuff...it's darn tough. My safety trim is held on by
that stuff, stuck upside down to the bottom of my radio stack.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 2/7/2012 8:09 PM, Robin Marks wrote:
> Dual Lock is great stuff. I put in in some products I manufacture. It
> comes in a couple of different interlocking head density as well as in
> Black or Clear. It can be purchased in any HD / LOWES aviation
> department or on eBay.
>
> http://www.3m.com/product/information/Dual-Lock-Reclosable-Fastener.html
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-CLEAR-DUAL-LOCK-VHB-TYPE-250-1-W-X-6-FT-ROLL-/110811861079?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cce6d057#ht_500wt_1156
> <http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-CLEAR-DUAL-LOCK-VHB-TYPE-250-1-W-X-6-FT-ROLL-/110811861079?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cce6d057#ht_500wt_1156>
>
> Description: reclosable fastener
>
> Robin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:38 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Drilling the Spar Web?
>
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> I wouldn't drill it. But, that plastic high-strength velcro 2" wide
> would work perfectly.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
>
> do not archive
>
> On 2/7/2012 4:47 PM, maca2790 wrote:
>
>
> > --> "maca2790"<vk2gcn@cirruscomms.com.au
> <mailto:vk2gcn@cirruscomms.com.au>>
>
> >
>
> > Hi, I'm thinking about drilling the Spar web under the co-pilots seat
>
> > so that I can mount my Safety Trim control box. Has anyone done
> similar or have any thoughts on it?
>
> >
>
> > cheers
>
> >
>
> > John MacCallum
>
> > Builder 41016
>
> > VH-DUU
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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>
> > Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Rv10 insurance |
Check with Jeff Rhodes at CS & A Insurance. Taylorsville, GA. Great guy and he
flies an RV too. Best rates for low time pilot.
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