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1. 04:22 AM - Re: Fuel Line (Bob Leffler)
2. 04:25 AM - Re: Medical (Alan Mekler)
3. 08:14 AM - Re: extended range tank (AirMike)
4. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: extended range tank (Dave Saylor)
5. 11:08 AM - Re: Fuel Line (DLM)
6. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Pitot tube mast (David Maib)
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Yes, I just replaced about 95% of the tubing in the tunnel. I even replaced
the tubing going to the tanks. Another RV-10 builder, Dana Saucier, also
did the same. Both of us worked with Tom Swearengen at tsflightlines.com.
Photos are on mykitlog.com. Tom is getting ready to take the plunge and
start building a RV-7.
Tom Swearengen
TS Flightlines
2 Clovis Court
Beaufort, SC, 29906
843-647-1027 (H) / 843-271-2329 (c)
www.tsflightlines.com
tsflightlines@gmail.com
It took several iterations to get things correct, due to my inability to
accurately measure and not completely thinking through a couple issues.
With that said, several things were learned. There is no such thing as a
standard RV-10 installation. Since Van's has change the location of several
items in the tunnel (i.e. fuel valve), type of fule valve (Van's or Andair)
and did the builder construct per plans (i.e. the fuel valve mount in the
correct orientation).
The lines going to the tanks and brakes if you remove the fittings will have
a turn radius issue if you attempt to make a tight right angle turn. They
do fit quite nicely to turn and run along the opposite tunnel wall, so you
may need to think about routing before you order. There were several
connections that a 90 degree on the end of the hose solved some of the
radius turn issue.
Tom even fabricated some of the really short pieces with stainless.
Some of my brake lines are Bonaco. There is no comparison is working with
Brent at Bonaco or Tom at TS Flightlines. My experience was that Brent
didn't respond to email and was hard to reach even if you called. It seemed
that I always called when he was busy working in the shop. Tom has always
responded to emails, regardless of when they were sent. I've had him call
me a couple times late in the evening or one the weekend to follow up on
email. Tom just provides outstanding support.
If you are going to replace your lines, then I would give him a call. A 5
minute call to understand what he needs for measurements and what he's
learned from fitting other RV-10s will save you frustration down the road.
bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Line
That's why I wondered too....I couldn't remember if mine came with the
engine or from Van's, but it had fire sleeve, so I was curious as to how
yours didn't. I have some photos though and it looks like it came with the
engine from Aerosport, so that's how I got it.
Has anyone replaced the fuel line in the tunnel from fuel pump to firewall
with teflon yet? I'm about to start tearing open that area again and I
think if teflon will do the curves right I would like to do flex there too.
I still have the poor quality aluminum tube there now.
I bought some of the better stuff too, so in a pinch I could remake it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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Rene,
As an AME, ocular hypertension is a condition the AME cannot approve(the
initial time) It requires your ophthalmologist to fill out FA form 8500-14
and visual field testing. Your AME can get the approval through Oklahoma
City or the regional flight surgeon(I don't know which state you live in)
but I prefer to go through the regional flight surgeon rather than Oklahoma.
It is usually much quicker.
Regards,
Alan Mekler MD
AME #20052
RV10 N668G
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Medical
Got my first old age scare this past year....one year ago I was told I had
ocular hypertension.....high pressure in the eye. I looked it up on the FAA
site and found out that although my eye doctor said I had no problems, that
my flight surgeon would not be able to sign my medical. Trying to be
proactive I got my eye doctor the form the FAA said they needed and well
before my medical expired, I got a fresh eye exam with all the special test
I needed and then did my flight physical...due to scheduling problems that
was done right after Christmas. My flight surgeon proceeded to defer my
medical to the FAA and sent in all the paperwork. Since my old medical
expired 31 Jan 12, I started calling the last week of Jan. They were very
pleasant, but all they would tell me was that they had the paperwork and
they would get to it when they got to it. Long story short, they got to it
and I receive a new medical 10 Feb.
Although I thought there was no problem......it really hit me hard when it
got to a point where I could not fly.
Caution....the FAA can be slow....
Rene
N423CF
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| Subject: | Re: extended range tank |
Looks like a very well made tank. Are they using .050 aluminum or thicker? Also
does it contain any baffles.
I was thinking that a gravity feed might be a good way to go. Obviously it has
a risk of leakage and fire which is a big deal, but for occasional use and simplicity
it cannot be beat. Turn a spigot and it empties into the main tank by
gravity. Have a stopcock at the tank and next to the pilot.
Also how big does a tank need to be to need baffles inside. I figure with a partial
tank in turbulence that the sloshing could induce some uncomfortable motion.
Just wondering.
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See you OSH '12
Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366133#366133
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| Subject: | Re: extended range tank |
The tank structure is honeycomb sheet. It pins together on the sides and
breaks down to flat sheets for storage. The bladder is supported inside
the tank by heavy duty cords, which is pretty standard.
I don't know if there are baffles inside the bladder. The volume is pretty
compact so I don't think sloshing would be much of an issue even without
any baffles.
I'd put a small Facet-type transfer pump that still allows gravity feed and
T it into one of the mains with the valves you mentioned.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 8:13 AM, AirMike <Mikeabel@pacbell.net> wrote:
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> Looks like a very well made tank. Are they using .050 aluminum or thicker?
> Also does it contain any baffles.
>
> I was thinking that a gravity feed might be a good way to go. Obviously it
> has a risk of leakage and fire which is a big deal, but for occasional use
> and simplicity it cannot be beat. Turn a spigot and it empties into the
> main tank by gravity. Have a stopcock at the tank and next to the pilot.
>
> Also how big does a tank need to be to need baffles inside. I figure with
> a partial tank in turbulence that the sloshing could induce some
> uncomfortable motion. Just wondering.
>
> --------
> See you OSH '12
> Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366133#366133
>
>
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I am a little late to this thread; I assume you are referring to the good
hard lines made from 6061T6? We used Teflon line from fuselage to brakes and
6061T6 lines and bulkhead fittings for brake and internal fuselage hard
lines. No leaks 540TT.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Line
That's why I wondered too....I couldn't remember if mine came
with the engine or from Van's, but it had fire sleeve, so I
was curious as to how yours didn't. I have some photos though
and it looks like it came with the engine from Aerosport, so
that's how I got it.
Has anyone replaced the fuel line in the tunnel from fuel
pump to firewall with teflon yet? I'm about to start
tearing open that area again and I think if teflon will
do the curves right I would like to do flex there too.
I still have the poor quality aluminum tube there now.
I bought some of the better stuff too, so in a pinch
I could remake it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 2/11/2012 5:15 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "Albert Gardner"<ibspud@roadrunner.com>
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> I'm going to replace the hose Tim but don't know of a source. I got mine
> from an off-road supply house and it was not fire-sleeved. Do you remember
> where your came from? Albert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 2:54 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Line
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
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> Where did you get the hose from? Mine had fire sleeve on it.
> Tim
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
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> On 2/11/2012 3:13 PM, Albert Gardner wrote:
>> I found a leak in my fuel line that runs from the spider down to the
>> fuel servo. The leak occurred where the hose goes through the baffle
>> from the spider so I removed the armor from the hose over the leak and
>> found that the rubber center was very stiff and not very flexible. The
>> hose has been affected by the heat in that area but I don't know where
>> to get a replacement hose or what to specify as to hose type. Is this a
>> time limited part-mine has been in service in sunny Arizona for 3-1/2
>> years- or was the hose quality not good enough in the first place. The
>> original did not have fire-sleeve on it: would fire-sleeve have help
>> protect it from the heat?
>>
>> Albert Gardner
>>
>> N991RV
>>
>> Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot tube mast |
I will echo Tim's comments. I have no experience with the others, but
have been very happy with the Gretz. Installation was straight forward.
David Maib
40559
Flying 460 hours
On Feb 10, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> While the only one I know is the Gretz, I've been happy with it.
> I bought it only for it's thermostatic control. I leave it
> on for long periods of time and I see by the lights that it
> only cycles as-needed. So from an energy (battery) conservation
> perspective, I like it. That said, I'd probably not be too
> unhappy with any good heated pitot. The gretz mount I liked
> either way.
>
> Tim
>
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> On 2/10/2012 12:36 PM, Nikolaos Napoli wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Nikolaos Napoli<napolin@me.com>
>>
>> I installed the gretz. Its pretty straightforward and appears
>> sturdy. Havent flown it yet. Dont know how it compares to others.
>>
>> Niko
>>
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>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen<apilot2@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Thanks Bill. I was beginning to wonder if my question made it to the
>>> list. I know some used the Gretz....arguments for it?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM,
>>> bill.peyton<peyton.b@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> --> RV10-List message posted by:
>>>> "bill.peyton"<peyton.b@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>
>>>> I installed the safeair. The quality looks fine and the install
>>>> was not difficult.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Bill Peyton
>>>>
>
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