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1. 06:49 AM - Re: Wheel Pants (dmaib@me.com)
2. 09:30 AM - Re: Wheel Pants (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 09:37 AM - Re: Leaking tanks (Rob Kochman)
4. 09:43 AM - Re: Wheel Pants (Robin Marks)
5. 12:10 PM - RunwayFinder (Tim Olson)
6. 12:23 PM - Re: Leaking tanks (Rob Kermanj)
7. 01:12 PM - Re: Leaking tanks (DLM)
8. 03:18 PM - Re: Wheel Pants (David Maib)
9. 04:20 PM - Re: Wheel Pants (Michael Kraus)
10. 05:08 PM - Re: Wheel Pants (David Maib)
11. 10:16 PM - Re: Leaking tanks (AirMike)
12. 10:48 PM - Re: Re: Leaking tanks (Rene Felker)
13. 11:34 PM - Re: Leaking tanks (jchang10)
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Thanks guy's. Alan Bikle at Airflow Technology is the one I was looking for. I
will get in touch with him.
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366278#366278
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He actually had new inlet rings machined at 6" I believe. I talked to him at
Airventure and told me about some of his adventures with the James cowl. He
had some extras machined so I bought a set from him.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
Airflow Technology is Alan Bickle. He built a beautiful -10 with a James cowl (I
think) and then modified the inlets about 1.5" for greater airflow in the upper
deck. His fiberglass work (pants, cowl, plenum) on the 10 looks amazing from
the photos I have seen.
Info below was copied from a Matronics posting the middle of last year.
Alan Bikle
AIRFLOW TECHNOLOGY
1586 Moffett Street Ste. E
Salinas, CA. 93905
Tel: 831-320-0193
Robin
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building)
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
--> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
You may be thinking of a product from Airflow Technology which they describe as
"Low Profile Pressure Recovery Wheel Pants". I have a flier from them in my
files but don't remember where I got it. The flier lists the main gear pants
including gear leg fairings for $390 each and the nosewheel pant at $275. Surprisingly
I don't see a URL but they list the phone number 831-771-0438. If interested,
I would try to find them on the web first by searching for them by
company name tolearn a little more about them.
Dave
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Wings
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 2/13/2012 6:44 PM, David Maib wrote:
>
> No, the pants I remember seeing were not the James pants. Someone was
> making them with an eye to offering them as a replacement for the
> stock pants. They looked like they would have really nice fit and
> finish with far less work than the originals. Mine are beginning to
> show some wear and tear, and since I have never been very happy with
> the way mine turned out, I was just wondering if there was another
> option out there, or if I had been dreaming again!
>
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
>
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>
>> I have the James wheel pants on my 10. They were harder to fit than
>> the Van's pants. They are not as wide as the Van's pants but I don't
>> yet have any performance data.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> dmaib@me.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:00 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
>>
>>
>> I remember seeing a post a year or two ago about someone that was
>> producing aftermarket main gear wheel pants. Does anybody know
>> anything about this? I don't know if it was on this forum or VAF.
>> [Question]
>>
>> --------
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 #40559
>> Transition Trainer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366204#366204
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tanks |
Resurrecting this thread... I had the same problem on my right quickbuild
tank (leaking not at the outlet fitting, but rather the VA-141 part that
the fitting screws into), which I wrote about here earlier. I ended up
gooping a bunch of proseal around the fitting and finger strainer, and that
stopped the leak... at the time. Now I have 100 hours on the airplane and
it's leaking again.
Also, on the same tank, I'm always had a fuel vent leak. It must be
leaking at the fuel vent line fitting inside the tank, because that part
passes the pressure leak test and it only leaks fuel when the fuel level
is above the vent fitting at the wing root. Also, I have confirmed that
the end of the fuel vent line (by the fuel cap) is completely out of the
fuel, so it's not that.
Anyone have any further suggestions? I'm pretty frustrated--I want to be
flying, not fixing someone else's mistakes. FWIW, I picked up this wing
kit in mid-2008.
-Rob
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Thats what they tell me.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Fri, January 14, 2011 2:39:50 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
>
> Hard to believe 20 lbs didn't distort/deform/ destroy the tank.... You
> must be one lucky guy.
>
> IMHO.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:25:29 -0800 (PST)
>
> OK I cleaned all the gummy sealant out of the way and did an air test
> and found it was leaking between the rivets. I thought maybe it was the
> fitting but after changing them out my conclusion is between the rivets. I
> put the fittings back in place and put a vacuum on the tank and tried some
> green loc tite. I am letting it dry over night and then will air test again
> tomorrow. I might even try some epoxy around the edges of the fitting
> before air tests. By the way the tanks can take quite a bit of pressure, my
> plan was around 3 lbs but the valve got kicked and it went up to 20lbs,
> really made the leaks standout though. The tank came out with no visible
> problems. After I get the left one one stopped on to the right. Seems
> there was a problem on the day my tanks were assembled in the
> Philippines.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thu, January 13, 2011 1:21:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
>
> One of my QB tanks leaked in exactly the same place (seemed to be leaking
> between the riveted fitting and the rib). There's no visible proseal in
> that area, though the proseal on the areas of the tank I can see looks fine
> (not gummy as you describe). I put the finger strainer in and put new seal
> around it. Now no air leak in testing, but I haven't filled with fuel yet.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Has anybody else had problems with the quick build tanks leaking. Mine
>> seem to be leaking around the outlet port. The sealant they used is turning
>> gummy and it is more of a seep than a leak.I cant believe they used rivets
>> on that particular piece as there is no way to snug them a little.Any ideas
>> on how to remedy this?
>>
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>>
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> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
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I purchased a pair too but have decided to go a different route.
Robin
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
--> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
He actually had new inlet rings machined at 6" I believe. I talked to him at
Airventure and told me about some of his adventures with the James cowl. He
had some extras machined so I bought a set from him.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
Airflow Technology is Alan Bickle. He built a beautiful -10 with a James cowl (I
think) and then modified the inlets about 1.5" for greater airflow in the upper
deck. His fiberglass work (pants, cowl, plenum) on the 10 looks amazing from
the photos I have seen.
Info below was copied from a Matronics posting the middle of last year.
Alan Bikle
AIRFLOW TECHNOLOGY
1586 Moffett Street Ste. E
Salinas, CA. 93905
Tel: 831-320-0193
Robin
Do Not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building)
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
--> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
You may be thinking of a product from Airflow Technology which they describe as
"Low Profile Pressure Recovery Wheel Pants". I have a flier from them in my
files but don't remember where I got it. The flier lists the main gear pants
including gear leg fairings for $390 each and the nosewheel pant at $275. Surprisingly
I don't see a URL but they list the phone number 831-771-0438. If interested,
I would try to find them on the web first by searching for them by
company name tolearn a little more about them.
Dave
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
Wings
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 2/13/2012 6:44 PM, David Maib wrote:
>
> No, the pants I remember seeing were not the James pants. Someone was
> making them with an eye to offering them as a replacement for the
> stock pants. They looked like they would have really nice fit and
> finish with far less work than the originals. Mine are beginning to
> show some wear and tear, and since I have never been very happy with
> the way mine turned out, I was just wondering if there was another
> option out there, or if I had been dreaming again!
>
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
>
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>
>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>
>> I have the James wheel pants on my 10. They were harder to fit than
>> the Van's pants. They are not as wide as the Van's pants but I don't
>> yet have any performance data.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> dmaib@me.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:00 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
>>
>>
>> I remember seeing a post a year or two ago about someone that was
>> producing aftermarket main gear wheel pants. Does anybody know
>> anything about this? I don't know if it was on this forum or VAF.
>> [Question]
>>
>> --------
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 #40559
>> Transition Trainer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366204#366204
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Not sure if this got much publicity, but...
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RunwayFinder Closing
RunwayFinder, the charting and airport information website that was
embroiled in legal action with FlightPrep a year ago, is closing. In a
statement, owner Dave Parsons said the decision was made partly because
of the FAA's intention to charge fees for chart downloads through its
online charting division AeroNav. "While I understand AeroNav's need to
re-capture costs, the new chart fees along with other licensing fees
will put RunwayFinder firmly into the red," Parsons wrote. He said the
money issues might have been overcome but there is also a lot of work
that needs to be done to update the service. "I've had many people
suggest alternatives, but unfortunately there is no way to keep it going
(for reasons I can't disclose)," he wrote. The non-disclosure is likely
a reference to an agreement he signed with FlightPrep last March that
settled a well-publicized lawsuit over alleged patent infringement by
RunwayFinder.
FlightPrep holds a broadly worded patent on the technology of online
flight planning and Parsons was among the first to challenge
FlightPrep's claims. Parsons reached an agreement with FlightPrep before
the conclusion of the legal action against RunwayFinder. A
non-disclosure agreement was part of that deal. Parsons said he started
RunwayFinder in 2005 when he was learning to fly because he had a hard
time putting together flight planning information from online sources.
"Being a software engineer, I wrote some code, collected a bunch of data
and charts, and RunwayFinder was born."
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tanks |
Rob, I had the same problem and chased it for a year. It started with a
minor leak at one of the top rivets and worsened to leaks from the same
places you describe. Van gave me a repair kit and it held for a while
but it did not work. I know you probably don't want to hear this; I
had to replace the tank completely. Talk to van and see what they will
do for you.
Do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
> Resurrecting this thread... I had the same problem on my right
quickbuild tank (leaking not at the outlet fitting, but rather the
VA-141 part that the fitting screws into), which I wrote about here
earlier. I ended up gooping a bunch of proseal around the fitting and
finger strainer, and that stopped the leak... at the time. Now I have
100 hours on the airplane and it's leaking again.
>
> Also, on the same tank, I'm always had a fuel vent leak. It must be
leaking at the fuel vent line fitting inside the tank, because that part
passes the pressure leak test and it only leaks fuel when the fuel level
is above the vent fitting at the wing root. Also, I have confirmed that
the end of the fuel vent line (by the fuel cap) is completely out of the
fuel, so it's not that.
>
> Anyone have any further suggestions? I'm pretty frustrated--I want to
be flying, not fixing someone else's mistakes. FWIW, I picked up this
wing kit in mid-2008.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Bruce Johnson
<bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thats what they tell me.
>
> From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 2:39:50 AM
>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
>
> Hard to believe 20 lbs didn't distort/deform/ destroy the tank.... You
must be one lucky guy.
>
> IMHO.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:25:29 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> OK I cleaned all the gummy sealant out of the way and did an air test
and found it was leaking between the rivets. I thought maybe it was the
fitting but after changing them out my conclusion is between the rivets.
I put the fittings back in place and put a vacuum on the tank and tried
some green loc tite. I am letting it dry over night and then will air
test again tomorrow. I might even try some epoxy around the edges of the
fitting before air tests. By the way the tanks can take quite a bit of
pressure, my plan was around 3 lbs but the valve got kicked and it went
up to 20lbs, really made the leaks standout though. The tank came out
with no visible problems. After I get the left one one stopped on to
the right. Seems there was a problem on the day my tanks were assembled
in the Philippines.
>
> From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 1:21:22 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
>
> One of my QB tanks leaked in exactly the same place (seemed to be
leaking between the riveted fitting and the rib). There's no visible
proseal in that area, though the proseal on the areas of the tank I can
see looks fine (not gummy as you describe). I put the finger strainer
in and put new seal around it. Now no air leak in testing, but I
haven't filled with fuel yet.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Bruce Johnson
<bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Has anybody else had problems with the quick build tanks leaking. Mine
seem to be leaking around the outlet port. The sealant they used is
turning gummy and it is more of a seep than a leak.I cant believe they
used rivets on that particular piece as there is no way to snug them a
little.Any ideas on how to remedy this?
>
> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
> --
> Rob Kochman
> RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
> Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
> http://kochman.net/N819K
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One other thing to consider is whether anyone stands on any portion of the
tank during loading or unloading.
Standing on the tank induces substantial stress beyond the weight of the
fuel in the tanks.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
Rob, I had the same problem and chased it for a year. It started with a
minor leak at one of the top rivets and worsened to leaks from the same
places you describe. Van gave me a repair kit and it held for a while but
it did not work. I know you probably don't want to hear this; I had to
replace the tank completely. Talk to van and see what they will do for you.
Do not archive.
Rob Kermanj
On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:
Resurrecting this thread... I had the same problem on my right quickbuild
tank (leaking not at the outlet fitting, but rather the VA-141 part that the
fitting screws into), which I wrote about here earlier. I ended up gooping
a bunch of proseal around the fitting and finger strainer, and that stopped
the leak... at the time. Now I have 100 hours on the airplane and it's
leaking again.
Also, on the same tank, I'm always had a fuel vent leak. It must be leaking
at the fuel vent line fitting inside the tank, because that part passes the
pressure leak test and it only leaks fuel when the fuel level is above the
vent fitting at the wing root. Also, I have confirmed that the end of the
fuel vent line (by the fuel cap) is completely out of the fuel, so it's not
that.
Anyone have any further suggestions? I'm pretty frustrated--I want to be
flying, not fixing someone else's mistakes. FWIW, I picked up this wing kit
in mid-2008.
-Rob
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Thats what they tell me.
_____
From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 2:39:50 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
Hard to believe 20 lbs didn't distort/deform/ destroy the tank.... You must
be one lucky guy.
IMHO.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com <http://www.haaspowerair.com/>
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
OK I cleaned all the gummy sealant out of the way and did an air test and
found it was leaking between the rivets. I thought maybe it was the fitting
but after changing them out my conclusion is between the rivets. I put the
fittings back in place and put a vacuum on the tank and tried some green loc
tite. I am letting it dry over night and then will air test again tomorrow.
I might even try some epoxy around the edges of the fitting before air
tests. By the way the tanks can take quite a bit of pressure, my plan was
around 3 lbs but the valve got kicked and it went up to 20lbs, really made
the leaks standout though. The tank came out with no visible problems. After
I get the left one one stopped on to the right. Seems there was a problem
on the day my tanks were assembled in the Philippines.
_____
From: Rob Kochman <rv10rob@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, January 13, 2011 1:21:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Leaking tanks
One of my QB tanks leaked in exactly the same place (seemed to be leaking
between the riveted fitting and the rib). There's no visible proseal in
that area, though the proseal on the areas of the tank I can see looks fine
(not gummy as you describe). I put the finger strainer in and put new seal
around it. Now no air leak in testing, but I haven't filled with fuel yet.
-Rob
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Bruce Johnson <bruce1hwjohnson@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Has anybody else had problems with the quick build tanks leaking. Mine seem
to be leaking around the outlet port. The sealant they used is turning gummy
and it is more of a seep than a leak.I cant believe they used rivets on that
particular piece as there is no way to snug them a little.Any ideas on how
to remedy this?
get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/>
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
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RV-10 "Finishing" Kit
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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I talked with Alan Bikle today. He never got enough interest in his
wheel pants to produce them.
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Airflow Technology is Alan Bickle. He built a beautiful -10 with a
> James cowl (I think) and then modified the inlets about 1.5" for
> greater airflow in the upper deck. His fiberglass work (pants,
> cowl, plenum) on the 10 looks amazing from the photos I have seen.
> Info below was copied from a Matronics posting the middle of last
> year.
>
> Alan Bikle
> AIRFLOW TECHNOLOGY
> 1586 Moffett Street Ste. E
> Salinas, CA. 93905
> Tel: 831-320-0193
>
> Robin
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building)
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:31 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
>
> --> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>
> You may be thinking of a product from Airflow Technology which they
> describe as "Low Profile Pressure Recovery Wheel Pants". I have a
> flier from them in my files but don't remember where I got it. The
> flier lists the main gear pants including gear leg fairings for
> $390 each and the nosewheel pant at $275. Surprisingly I don't see
> a URL but they list the phone number 831-771-0438. If interested,
> I would try to find them on the web first by searching for them by
> company name tolearn a little more about them.
>
> Dave
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Dave Fritzsche
> 40813
> Puyallup, WA
> Wings
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> On 2/13/2012 6:44 PM, David Maib wrote:
>>
>> No, the pants I remember seeing were not the James pants. Someone was
>> making them with an eye to offering them as a replacement for the
>> stock pants. They looked like they would have really nice fit and
>> finish with far less work than the originals. Mine are beginning to
>> show some wear and tear, and since I have never been very happy with
>> the way mine turned out, I was just wondering if there was another
>> option out there, or if I had been dreaming again!
>>
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 #40559
>> Transition Trainer
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>
>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> I have the James wheel pants on my 10. They were harder to fit
>>> than the
>>> Van's pants. They are not as wide as the Van's pants but I don't
>>> yet
>>> have
>>> any performance data.
>>>
>>> Carl
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>> dmaib@me.com
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:00 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
>>>
>>>
>>> I remember seeing a post a year or two ago about someone that was
>>> producing
>>> aftermarket main gear wheel pants. Does anybody know anything about
>>> this? I
>>> don't know if it was on this forum or VAF. [Question]
>>>
>>> --------
>>> David Maib
>>> RV-10 #40559
>>> Transition Trainer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366204#366204
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Just curious, what's wrong with the stock ones? I have an early kit and they are
very well made and fit fairly good with little work.....
-Mike Kraus
RV-10 Flying
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:16 PM, David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
>
> I talked with Alan Bikle today. He never got enough interest in his wheel pants
to produce them.
>
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
> Transition Trainer
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>
>>
>> Airflow Technology is Alan Bickle. He built a beautiful -10 with a James cowl
(I think) and then modified the inlets about 1.5" for greater airflow in the
upper deck. His fiberglass work (pants, cowl, plenum) on the 10 looks amazing
from the photos I have seen.
>> Info below was copied from a Matronics posting the middle of last year.
>>
>> Alan Bikle
>> AIRFLOW TECHNOLOGY
>> 1586 Moffett Street Ste. E
>> Salinas, CA. 93905
>> Tel: 831-320-0193
>>
>> Robin
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building)
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:31 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
>>
>> --> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>>
>> You may be thinking of a product from Airflow Technology which they describe
as "Low Profile Pressure Recovery Wheel Pants". I have a flier from them in
my files but don't remember where I got it. The flier lists the main gear pants
including gear leg fairings for $390 each and the nosewheel pant at $275.
Surprisingly I don't see a URL but they list the phone number 831-771-0438. If
interested, I would try to find them on the web first by searching for them
by company name tolearn a little more about them.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Dave Fritzsche
>> 40813
>> Puyallup, WA
>> Wings
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/13/2012 6:44 PM, David Maib wrote:
>>>
>>> No, the pants I remember seeing were not the James pants. Someone was
>>> making them with an eye to offering them as a replacement for the
>>> stock pants. They looked like they would have really nice fit and
>>> finish with far less work than the originals. Mine are beginning to
>>> show some wear and tear, and since I have never been very happy with
>>> the way mine turned out, I was just wondering if there was another
>>> option out there, or if I had been dreaming again!
>>>
>>> David Maib
>>> RV-10 #40559
>>> Transition Trainer
>>>
>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>>
>>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>> I have the James wheel pants on my 10. They were harder to fit than the
>>>> Van's pants. They are not as wide as the Van's pants but I don't yet
>>>> have
>>>> any performance data.
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dmaib@me.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:00 PM
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I remember seeing a post a year or two ago about someone that was
>>>> producing
>>>> aftermarket main gear wheel pants. Does anybody know anything about
>>>> this? I
>>>> don't know if it was on this forum or VAF. [Question]
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> David Maib
>>>> RV-10 #40559
>>>> Transition Trainer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366204#366204
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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The stock ones are fine, but I was never too happy with the job I did
on mine. Now that they are showing some wear and tear, I was just
curious if there were any other options out there that I might like
better. Apparently not, so I will repair mine and move on.
David Maib
RV-10 #40559
Transition Trainer
On Feb 14, 2012, at 7:19 PM, Michael Kraus wrote:
> <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>
>
> Just curious, what's wrong with the stock ones? I have an early
> kit and they are very well made and fit fairly good with little
> work.....
>
> -Mike Kraus
> RV-10 Flying
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 14, 2012, at 6:16 PM, David Maib <dmaib@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I talked with Alan Bikle today. He never got enough interest in
>> his wheel pants to produce them.
>>
>> David Maib
>> RV-10 #40559
>> Transition Trainer
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:25 AM, Robin Marks wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Airflow Technology is Alan Bickle. He built a beautiful -10 with
>>> a James cowl (I think) and then modified the inlets about 1.5"
>>> for greater airflow in the upper deck. His fiberglass work
>>> (pants, cowl, plenum) on the 10 looks amazing from the photos I
>>> have seen.
>>> Info below was copied from a Matronics posting the middle of last
>>> year.
>>>
>>> Alan Bikle
>>> AIRFLOW TECHNOLOGY
>>> 1586 Moffett Street Ste. E
>>> Salinas, CA. 93905
>>> Tel: 831-320-0193
>>>
>>> Robin
>>> Do Not Archive
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
>>> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building)
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:31 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
>>>
>>> --> <fritzsch@eskimo.com>
>>>
>>> You may be thinking of a product from Airflow Technology which
>>> they describe as "Low Profile Pressure Recovery Wheel Pants". I
>>> have a flier from them in my files but don't remember where I got
>>> it. The flier lists the main gear pants including gear leg
>>> fairings for $390 each and the nosewheel pant at $275.
>>> Surprisingly I don't see a URL but they list the phone number
>>> 831-771-0438. If interested, I would try to find them on the web
>>> first by searching for them by company name tolearn a little more
>>> about them.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Dave Fritzsche
>>> 40813
>>> Puyallup, WA
>>> Wings
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/13/2012 6:44 PM, David Maib wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, the pants I remember seeing were not the James pants.
>>>> Someone was
>>>> making them with an eye to offering them as a replacement for the
>>>> stock pants. They looked like they would have really nice fit and
>>>> finish with far less work than the originals. Mine are beginning to
>>>> show some wear and tear, and since I have never been very happy
>>>> with
>>>> the way mine turned out, I was just wondering if there was another
>>>> option out there, or if I had been dreaming again!
>>>>
>>>> David Maib
>>>> RV-10 #40559
>>>> Transition Trainer
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <carl.froehlich@verizon.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the James wheel pants on my 10. They were harder to fit
>>>>> than the
>>>>> Van's pants. They are not as wide as the Van's pants but I
>>>>> don't yet
>>>>> have
>>>>> any performance data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>> dmaib@me.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:00 PM
>>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Pants
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember seeing a post a year or two ago about someone that was
>>>>> producing
>>>>> aftermarket main gear wheel pants. Does anybody know anything
>>>>> about
>>>>> this? I
>>>>> don't know if it was on this forum or VAF. [Question]
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> David Maib
>>>>> RV-10 #40559
>>>>> Transition Trainer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366204#366204
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tanks |
Same problem here on the port side tank. Leaks when I fill over 20-25 gallons.
Kind of a pain, so I keep the fuel level down except when I am ready to launch.
Quick build 2007.
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Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tanks |
I know it will not make this any better......but I flew 410RV for my
transition training. The fuel tank leaked on the co-pilot side (starboard).
I build my own tanks and have a leak on the starboard side also. My leak is
one rivet on the walk plate. I have tried several times to seal it with no
success. I tried again last week and first indications are that I was
successful.....but only time will tell. It is really no big deal because
mine is such a minor leak....but I feel I need to keep trying. I think of
my RV-10 as a tool and tools do not have to look perfect, they just need to
work that way. I have not seen any adverse handling qualities with the
leak....(that is a joke)...so it is ok. If I had paid someone else to build
my tanks, I think it would be P$%^ me off if they leaked. But since I built
them myself, I just feel real lucky that I only have one minor
leak.....after I completed the leak test. The leak testing did show another
more significant leak that I was able to fix during the build....but it did
not show the leaking rivet. I think that did not show up until after
somebody stepped on that portion of the tank.
Rene' Felker
N423CF
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Leaking tanks
Same problem here on the port side tank. Leaks when I fill over 20-25
gallons. Kind of a pain, so I keep the fuel level down except when I am
ready to launch. Quick build 2007.
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Q/B - flying 2 yrs.
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| Subject: | Re: Leaking tanks |
I have weeping top rivets, too. I did the leak testing with a ballon, etc. after
building the tanks, and all checked out at the time.
Recently, I tried squishing proseal with some negative pressure in the tank. It
seemed to help some. I repeated the positive tank pressure test with soapy water
which revealed one weeping rivet but not some others with fuel.
Clearly, the positive tank pressure test with just a balloon is not good enough
to reveal all weeping rivets.
Jae
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#40533 RV-10
First flight 10/19/2011
Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011
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