---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/14/12: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:48 AM - Re: Re: Lightspeed engineering (Carl Froehlich) 2. 04:49 AM - Re: Re: Lightspeed engineering (Jesse Saint) 3. 09:42 AM - IO-540 P-Mag (was Re: Re: Lightspeed engineering) (Jim Ayers) 4. 09:42 AM - FWF Fuel Line Torque Values (Nikolaos Napoli) 5. 10:17 AM - Re: FWF Fuel Line Torque Values (Pascal) 6. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Lightspeed engineering (Jae Chang) 7. 06:09 PM - Re: IO-540 P-Mag (was Re: Re: Lightspeed engineering) (Miller John) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:15 AM PST US From: Carl Froehlich Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I now h ave 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless. First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has not y et delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with the mags for the first few hours. Carl On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: > Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of peopl e that can speak to the reliability of that system. > > Michael > > On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" w rote: > >> Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the reliability part. >> >> From: rwwende >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM >> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering >> >> >> So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the ex tra dollars? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" - List Contribution Web Site - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >> ics.com >> .matronics.com/contribution >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:43 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering There are many of us that have been talking to eMag for years and they keep saying that they are almost there. On the 6-cyl version, I guess they decided to go the certification route from the get-go, instead of making it available to the experimental market. =46rom the looks of it, the P-mag is going to be a great product. Again, the reliability will take time to know, but the concept is great and the backup power coming from the engine is a great idea. Timing them is also very easy. Can't wait to hear how they work. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I now have 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless. > > First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has not yet delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with the mags for the first few hours. > > Carl > > > > On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: > >> Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of people that can speak to the reliability of that system. >> >> Michael >> >> On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" wrote: >> >>> Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the reliability part. >>> >>> From: rwwende >>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM >>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering >>> >>> >>> So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extra dollars? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" - List Contribution Web Site - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>> ics.com >>> .matronics.com/contribution >>> >> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:08 AM PST US Subject: IO-540 P-Mag (was Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering) From: Jim Ayers I talked with E-Mag yesterday. I was told to visit their booth at Sun-N-Fu n to see the IO-540 "production" P-Mag unit. (They are gearing up for production. I told them they needed to shot the e ngineer to go into production. :-) I hope they didn't take that literally.) I have my "deposit in" on their (just started) buyers list for the IO-540 P -Mag. I believe they will be taking names at their booth at Sun-N-Fun, or you can wait for a while to see how it goes. JIm Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. Less Drag Special (modified HR2) IO-540 with 86 hours using Slick mags. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Saint Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50 am Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering There are many of us that have been talking to eMag for years and they keep saying that they are almost there. On the 6-cyl version, I guess they deci ded to go the certification route from the get-go, instead of making it ava ilable to the experimental market. From the looks of it, the P-mag is going to be a great product. Again, the reliability will take time to know, but the concept is great and the backup power coming from the engine is a great idea. Timing them is also very easy. Can't wait to hear how they work. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I now have 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless. First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has not yet delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with the ma gs for the first few hours. Carl On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of people that can speak to the reliability of that system. Michael On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" wr ote: Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the r eliability part. From: rwwende Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extr a dollars? 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The Lycoming Overhaul Manual has fairly low torque values for "flexible hose or tube fittings " in the order of 30 to 35 in-lbs with corresponding values of over 100in-lb from Aeroquip and similar sources. Not sure which values to use. Thanks Niko ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:30 AM PST US From: "Pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: FWF Fuel Line Torque Values I used Aeroquip's settings for all lines. (brake, oil, fuel, etc) -----Original Message----- From: Nikolaos Napoli Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: RV10-List: FWF Fuel Line Torque Values I am wondering what the correct torque value for the FWF fuel and oil lines is. The Lycoming Overhaul Manual has fairly low torque values for "flexible hose or tube fittings " in the order of 30 to 35 in-lbs with corresponding values of over 100in-lb from Aeroquip and similar sources. Not sure which values to use. Thanks Niko ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:14 AM PST US From: Jae Chang Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/electroair0807272.php "Replacing one magneto with the EIS-41000 will typically improve fuel economy on average by 10-15% (many operators have reported consistent fuel savings of 1gph or greater)." By that measure, they should pay for themselves in 200 to 300 hours or so which isn't bad at all. After so many promises over the past several years, it is great to see something actually making it to market! Jae -- #40533 RV-10 First flight 10/19/2011 Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011 do not archive On 3/13/2012 12:39 PM, rwwende wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: "rwwende" > > So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extra dollars? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:15 PM PST US From: Miller John Subject: Re: IO-540 P-Mag (was Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering) Have they gotten their certification yet for the 6 cyl? They were working on it last year at Osh. grumpy On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Jim Ayers wrote: > I talked with E-Mag yesterday. I was told to visit their booth at Sun-N-Fun to see the IO-540 "production" P-Mag unit. > (They are gearing up for production. I told them they needed to shot the engineer to go into production. :-) > I hope they didn't take that literally.) > > I have my "deposit in" on their (just started) buyers list for the IO-540 P-Mag. I believe they will be taking names at their booth at Sun-N-Fun, or you can wait for a while to see how it goes. > > JIm Ayers > Less Drag Products, Inc. > Less Drag Special (modified HR2) IO-540 with 86 hours using Slick mags. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Saint > To: rv10-list > Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 4:50 am > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering > > There are many of us that have been talking to eMag for years and they keep saying that they are almost there. On the 6-cyl version, I guess they decided to go the certification route from the get-go, instead of making it available to the experimental market. =46rom the looks of it, the P-mag is going to be a great product. Again, the reliability will take time to know, but the concept is great and the backup power coming from the engine is a great idea. Timing them is also very easy. Can't wait to hear how they work. > > Jesse Saint > Saint Aviation, Inc. > jesse@saintaviation.com > C: 352-427-0285 > F: 815-377-3694 > > On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:44 AM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > >> Three hard failures in 350 hours, dual Plasma II+ install in my 8A. I now have 300+ hours on dual pMags and they have been flawless. >> >> First engine start on the RV-10 is 2-3 weeks away and Brad at eMag has not yet delivered my ignitions for the IO-540. I guess I'll put up with the mags for the first few hours. >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:07 PM, "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" wrote: >> >>> Lightspeed has been around for quite some time so there is plenty of people that can speak to the reliability of that system. >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Bruce Johnson" wrote: >>> >>>> Less weight and supposedly better reliability. Only time will tell on the reliability part. >>>> >>>> From: rwwende >>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:39 PM >>>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed engineering >>>> >>>> >>>> So what is the advantage of these products? Are they really worth the extra dollars? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com//www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List" - List Contribution Web Site - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List >>>> ics.com >>>> .matronics.com/contribution >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.