---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/19/12: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - Re: N541RV phase1 complete (rv10flyer) 2. 05:12 AM - Re: Flap actuation (rv10flyer) 3. 05:12 AM - Re: Flap actuation (Jesse Saint) 4. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Flap actuation (Jesse Saint) 5. 07:45 AM - Re: Inlet rings (Paul Bowmar) 6. 07:45 AM - Re: Flap actuation (curtis groote) 7. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Flap actuation (Patrick Thyssen) 8. 08:56 AM - Re: Flap actuation (Geoff Combs) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:45 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: N541RV phase1 complete From: "rv10flyer" It is great to really go somewhere, especially with all four seats filled. No crazy interstate drivers to watch out for while getting 15 mpg. How many kids get to say my Dad, Mom and Sister picked me up from college in our plane. I know you are loving that plane as much as I am. Now for some summer trip plans. We are planning FL and SW US(2 separate trips). -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011 N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368872#368872 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:24 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap actuation From: "rv10flyer" My Show Planes from Vans has always required two taps down to go from half to full. I will pull that whole mess out and install a manual switch if I have any additional faults. One less wire and much simpler to troublehoot or repair. As for landing and takeoff with or without flaps, it is no problem with a CS prop and 260 hp. Having a manual switch would not be any more distracting than dealing with this. It may just be a matter of the micro switch rods not having the cutouts in the right place at the right time. Anybody troubleshot this problem yet? -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011 N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368873#368873 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:25 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap actuation This is the first email I've read of this thread. Do you really have to hold the switch down the whole way, or does it just have to be more than the normal press? I have seen it where you had to hold it down for a little longer than normal for it to get past the limit switch on the rod. I know that when using a position sensor, the flap position on the ground and the position in flight does not match. I assume that is because on the ground gravity is pulling the flaps as far down as it can, and in the air the relative wind is pushing the flaps up as far as it can, so that may have something to do with it. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Mar 19, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Bill Watson wrote: > I'm having roughly the same problem. Just doing it manually now. > > Bill > > On 3/18/2012 6:11 PM, curtis groote wrote: >> >> I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full flaps). A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take them down to the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in flight, reflex to zero to half is still the same but to go from half to full flaps I have to press and hold the switch down until full flaps is achieved. However, on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have to hold the switch to go from half to full, it'll go with the momentary press like it always did heretofore. Suggestions anyone? >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flap actuation From: Jesse Saint This might be a good time to plug Vertical Power. With the VP-200 you set 4 total positions and have a sensor for location. You can click the switch down 3 times and it will go down all the way. Click twice to go down 2 "notches". Click up once to go all the way up. Very nice to work with. I have not affiliation with VP. I just really like flying with their equipment. Jesse Saint I-TEC, Inc. jesse@itecusa.org www.itecusa.org www.mavericklsa.com C: 352-427-0285 O: 352-465-4545 F: 815-377-3694 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:11 AM, "rv10flyer" wrote: > > My Show Planes from Vans has always required two taps down to go from half to full. I will pull that whole mess out and install a manual switch if I have any additional faults. One less wire and much simpler to troublehoot or repair. As for landing and takeoff with or without flaps, it is no problem with a CS prop and 260 hp. Having a manual switch would not be any more distracting than dealing with this. It may just be a matter of the micro switch rods not having the cutouts in the right place at the right time. Anybody troubleshot this problem yet? > > -------- > Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 > 40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011 > N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368873#368873 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:14 AM PST US From: Paul Bowmar Subject: Re: RV10-List: Inlet rings Eric, Are you familiar with the inlet rings Alan Bickle was marketing through Airflow Technologies? He didn't get enough interest to carry on, but I made the rings for him. If you want some, I could make a run. Contact me offline or at Plane Innovations LLC. (435) 826-4662 www.planeinnovations.com Paul Bowmar On Mar 18, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Eric_Kallio wrote: > > In the eternal quest to make the Sam James cowl functional I am on the hunt for some inlet rings. Looking to increase the inlet area so ideally a 5.5" diameter ring would work, but I am willing to try up to a 6" ring. Anyone out there have a production run with a spare set leftover they might be willing to part with? PM or email me at scout019(at)msn.com if you have some or know where they might be procured. Thanks. > > Eric Kallio > N518RV > Flying > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368859#368859 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:41 AM PST US From: curtis groote Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap actuation Yup. -Have to hold the switch down the whole way or the flaps stop moveme nt on release.=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Jesse Sain t =0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:11 AM=0ASubject: Re: RV10-List: Flap actuation=0A =0A=0AT his is the first email I've read of this thread. Do you really have to hold the switch down the whole way, or does it just have to be more than the no rmal press? I have seen it where you had to hold it down for a little longe r than normal for it to get past the limit switch on the rod. I know that w hen using a position sensor, the flap position on the ground and the positi on in flight does not match. I assume that is because on the ground gravity is pulling the flaps as far down as it can, and in the air the relative wi nd is pushing the flaps up as far as it can, so that may have something to do with it.=0A=0A=0AJesse Saint=0ASaint Aviation, Inc.=0Ajesse@saintaviatio n.com=0AC: 352-427-0285=0AF: 815-377-3694 =0A=0AOn Mar 19, 2012, at 12:57 A M, Bill Watson wrote:=0A=0AI'm having roughly the same problem.- Just doi ng it manually now.=0A>=0A>Bill=0A>=0A>On 3/18/2012 6:11 PM, curtis groote wrote: =0A>I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full flaps). -A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take t hem down to the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in fligh t, reflex to zero to half is still the same but to go from half to full fla ps I have to press and hold the switch down until full flaps is achieved. -However, on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have to hold th e switch to go from half to full, it'll go with the momentary press like it =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:21 AM PST US From: Patrick Thyssen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Flap actuation Yes two of us here had that problem of flaps working in air but not on grou nd.Little pressures on the flaps on ground and they would start moving agai n.After I figured out what was happening I sent mine back and they fixed it and sent two more washers to keep the actuator from rotating so far and we aring away at the guide holes. Had nothing to do with too much grease. That seems to have fixed the problem. for both of ours. And yes its one Hit down to get neutral the second is half flap and third is full flaps. Alll this was happening around 150 -200 hrs. Patrick Thyssen N15PT 407 hrs. --- On Mon, 3/19/12, rv10flyer wrote: From: rv10flyer Subject: RV10-List: Re: Flap actuation My Show Planes from Vans has always required two taps down to go from half to full. I will pull that whole mess out and install a manual switch if I h ave any additional faults. One less wire and much simpler to troublehoot or repair. As for landing and takeoff with or without flaps, it is no problem with a CS prop and 260 hp. Having a manual switch would not be any more di stracting than dealing with this. It may just be a matter of the micro swit ch rods not having the cutouts in the right place at the right time. Anybod y troubleshot this problem yet? -------- Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08 40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011 N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368873#368873 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:15 AM PST US From: "Geoff Combs" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flap actuation The problem is that your actuator pivots a slight bit when you are putting the flaps down and because the 1/8' sensor rod with notches is worn now the twist that happens when the air flow is hitting the flaps when flying makes it react differently then just sitting. You will need to get into your tunnel area and re-adjust the sensor unit which mounts to the flap motor. This is a problem with the Show planes unit after a while. Operate your flaps and watch how the unit twist and you will see it. You need to stop the the flap rod end from rotating so much. Geoff Geoff Combs Aerosport Modeling & Design www.aerosportmodeling.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of curtis groote Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap actuation Yup. Have to hold the switch down the whole way or the flaps stop movement on release. _____ From: Jesse Saint Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flap actuation This is the first email I've read of this thread. Do you really have to hold the switch down the whole way, or does it just have to be more than the normal press? I have seen it where you had to hold it down for a little longer than normal for it to get past the limit switch on the rod. I know that when using a position sensor, the flap position on the ground and the position in flight does not match. I assume that is because on the ground gravity is pulling the flaps as far down as it can, and in the air the relative wind is pushing the flaps up as far as it can, so that may have something to do with it. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com C: 352-427-0285 F: 815-377-3694 On Mar 19, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Bill Watson wrote: I'm having roughly the same problem. Just doing it manually now. Bill On 3/18/2012 6:11 PM, curtis groote wrote: I have the Van's flap system (reflex, zero degrees, half flaps, full flaps). A momentary press down on the panel flap switch will take them down to the next position -- up until a month ago so that now, in flight, reflex to zero to half is still the same but to go from half to full flaps I have to press and hold the switch down until full flaps is achieved. However, on the ground taxiing or at standstill, I don't have to hold the switch to go from half to full, it'll go with the momentary press like it always did heretofore. 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