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1. 01:05 PM - Riveting HS "horizontally"? (EdKranz)
2. 01:19 PM - Re: Milestone: How to mount the wings and take them off in 6 min (Phil White)
3. 01:21 PM - Re: Riveting HS "horizontally"? (Bill Watson)
4. 01:48 PM - Anybody here going to S&F? (Bill Watson)
5. 01:51 PM - AOPA Digital Charts survey (Tim Olson)
6. 02:04 PM - Re: Anybody here going to S&F? (Jesse Saint)
7. 02:20 PM - Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey (Bill Watson)
8. 02:32 PM - Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey (Tim Olson)
9. 02:36 PM - Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey (Marcus Cooper)
10. 04:07 PM - Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey (Tim Olson)
11. 04:13 PM - Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey (John Jessen)
12. 04:21 PM - Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey (Dj Merrill)
13. 06:31 PM - Re: Anybody here going to S&F? (rv10flyer)
14. 10:49 PM - Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey (Chris Colohan)
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| Subject: | Riveting HS "horizontally"? |
Does anyone see any potential issues riveting the HS together as it sits flat in
the cradles instead of vertically as depicted in the plans? It seems like it
will be MUCH easier to buck the rivets in this orientation.
Pic included to clarify:
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Ed Kranz
41347
Working on Emp Kit
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| Subject: | Re: Milestone: How to mount the wings and take them off in |
6 min
SIX Minutes?!? Geesh, it took us 90 minutes to move mine out of the one car garage,
hang 2 wings and the tail feathers, photograph it, then put it all back.
But, of course, we only had 2 people to do the work. [Wink]
Mazda 20-B conversion progressing. This one will fly yet!
(And, it will likely be the least expensive one in the air.)
Phil White
#40220
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| Subject: | Re: Riveting HS "horizontally"? |
That's how I did it (one person). Didn't use the cradles, just laid it
down on 2 workbenches. Allowed me to sit while riveting and as you soon
find out, the more comfortable you are, the better job you tend to do.
Bill Watson
N215TG flying
On 3/26/2012 4:04 PM, EdKranz wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: "EdKranz"<ed.kranz@gmail.com>
>
> Does anyone see any potential issues riveting the HS together as it sits flat
in the cradles instead of vertically as depicted in the plans? It seems like
it will be MUCH easier to buck the rivets in this orientation.
>
> Pic included to clarify:
>
> --------
> Ed Kranz
> 41347
> Working on Emp Kit
>
>
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| Subject: | Anybody here going to S&F? |
We're planning to go down this Wednesday - maybe 2 days. Hopefully meet
some of the vendor folks I've been talking to.
Bill Watson
N215TG
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| Subject: | AOPA Digital Charts survey |
Hi all,
If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
1 line field so it looked too small.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody here going to S&F? |
I'll be in the Maverick booth most of the week (right next to Van's).
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse@itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: 352-427-0285
O: 352-465-4545
F: 815-377-3694
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> We're planning to go down this Wednesday - maybe 2 days. Hopefully meet some
of the vendor folks I've been talking to.
>
> Bill Watson
> N215TG
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
Thanks Tim. Done.
I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry that
big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!
One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of use
digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2) to
always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have
multiple digital backups.
Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless. Foreflight
on the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero
bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.
Bill "a day at S&F" Watson
On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>
>
> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
>
> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
> the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
> 1 line field so it looked too small.
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
For me it's a huge safety and convenience thing. I used to buy
only my portion of the US and then buy individual charts for trips.
Planning a trip to Florida meant spending $75 on paper that I'd
only use that week. It was a freakin' waste. I didn't use
the charts most of the time, but you had to have them.
With the RV-10, I often don't know where I'm even going until
the day we leave, and that may mean tomorrow we could go
Wisconsin to South Carolina. There is no time to order charts
and plan. So having 100% US coverage is a huge bonus.
It's also a huge safety thing...to have proper chart data so
you don't bust airspace, use improper freq's, and such.
But, if they jack the cost up I'll just drop most
of my subscriptions. It will come at a cost of safety,
but I'm not paying for 3 EFB products (well, one is lifetime),
if I have to pay big chart fees.
So they need to consider the long term effects of
some of the choices they make.
Charge planes $100 to file an IFR plan? Fine, just fly VFR
and stay low. Now, how safe will THAT be?
Most aviation rule changes were paid for in blood...
honestly...and they should remember that.
Tim
On 3/26/2012 4:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim. Done.
>
> I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry that
> big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!
>
> One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of use
> digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2) to
> always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have
> multiple digital backups.
>
> Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless. Foreflight on
> the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero
> bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.
>
> Bill "a day at S&F" Watson
>
> On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
>> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>>
>>
>> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
>>
>> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
>> the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
>> 1 line field so it looked too small.
>> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
Ditto all around. The only snag I run into is going to the airport for a quick
spin and then having to go hope to get the iPad. Never an issue with paper charts
that stayed in the airplane, but I'd hate to get ramp checked without any
charts on board. Not a big deal, just something I realize I have to be aware
with my upgrade to digital.
I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight subscription
runs out I'll be looking at alternatives. Seems like a lot of folks prefer Wingx,
any updated thoughts?
Thanks,
Marcus
do not archive
On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
Thanks Tim. Done.
I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry that big 'ol
flight bag/chart case around any longer!
One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of use digital
charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2) to always have all the
charts covering a particular area, 3) to have multiple digital backups.
Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless. Foreflight on the iPad
for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero bucks, AirWx plates
on my Android phone for ? bucks.
Bill "a day at S&F" Watson
On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>
>
> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
>
> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
> the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
> 1 line field so it looked too small.
> Tim
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
:) It's not as much of a problem when you have foreflight/wingx
on your iphone too. You can always claim to have the data
then.
That whole Foreflight/WingX thing is a real pain to
come to a conclusion on. I stick by my previous comments
that WingX really is best in flight. Foreflight is really
best pre-flight. Both can be used in the realm that they're
not so good at, but they're best at what they're best at.
If cost is a huge object, go with no geo-referenced charts...
from either package. So for Foreflight, don't go Pro.
If you don't fly IFR or fly complex routes often, Foreflight
would be just fine. If you fly IFR a lot, I'd for sure
look hard at WingX and spending money on Georef charts.
But at the end of the day, if money was super tight, I'd
just probably go foreflight, non-Pro, and call it good.
You just loose so much in-flight capability that way though.
I use Foreflight more as a preflight and weather planner
now...and leave the inflight to WingX.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
On 3/26/2012 4:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Marcus Cooper<coop85@verizon.net>
>
> Ditto all around. The only snag I run into is going to the airport
> for a quick spin and then having to go hope to get the iPad. Never
> an issue with paper charts that stayed in the airplane, but I'd hate
> to get ramp checked without any charts on board. Not a big deal,
> just something I realize I have to be aware with my upgrade to
> digital.
>
> I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight
> subscription runs out I'll be looking at alternatives. Seems like a
> lot of folks prefer Wingx, any updated thoughts?
>
> Thanks, Marcus
>
> do not archive On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson<Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
>
> Thanks Tim. Done.
>
> I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry
> that big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!
>
> One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of
> use digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2)
> to always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have
> multiple digital backups.
>
> Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless. Foreflight
> on the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero
> bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.
>
> Bill "a day at S&F" Watson
>
> On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>>
>> Hi all, If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
>> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>>
>>
>> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
>>
>> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in the comment
>> blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a 1 line field so it looked
>> too small. Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
Foreflight for VFR is more than adequate
... by phone
On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
> :) It's not as much of a problem when you have foreflight/wingx
> on your iphone too. You can always claim to have the data
> then.
>
> That whole Foreflight/WingX thing is a real pain to
> come to a conclusion on. I stick by my previous comments
> that WingX really is best in flight. Foreflight is really
> best pre-flight. Both can be used in the realm that they're
> not so good at, but they're best at what they're best at.
> If cost is a huge object, go with no geo-referenced charts...
> from either package. So for Foreflight, don't go Pro.
> If you don't fly IFR or fly complex routes often, Foreflight
> would be just fine. If you fly IFR a lot, I'd for sure
> look hard at WingX and spending money on Georef charts.
>
> But at the end of the day, if money was super tight, I'd
> just probably go foreflight, non-Pro, and call it good.
> You just loose so much in-flight capability that way though.
> I use Foreflight more as a preflight and weather planner
> now...and leave the inflight to WingX.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
> do not archive
>
>
> On 3/26/2012 4:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Marcus Cooper<coop85@verizon.net>
>>
>> Ditto all around. The only snag I run into is going to the airport
>> for a quick spin and then having to go hope to get the iPad. Never
>> an issue with paper charts that stayed in the airplane, but I'd hate
>> to get ramp checked without any charts on board. Not a big deal,
>> just something I realize I have to be aware with my upgrade to
>> digital.
>>
>> I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight
>> subscription runs out I'll be looking at alternatives. Seems like a
>> lot of folks prefer Wingx, any updated thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks, Marcus
>>
>> do not archive On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Bill Watson wrote:
>>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Watson<Mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
>>
>> Thanks Tim. Done.
>>
>> I've gone completely paperless now...it's fun not having to carry
>> that big 'ol flight bag/chart case around any longer!
>>
>> One of the things I quickly realized is how the low cost and ease of
>> use digital charts allows me 1) to fly only with current charts, 2)
>> to always have all the charts covering a particular area, 3) to have
>> multiple digital backups.
>>
>> Number 3 is a big deal if you really are going paperless. Foreflight
>> on the iPad for x bucks, maps and approach plates on the GRT for zero
>> bucks, AirWx plates on my Android phone for ? bucks.
>>
>> Bill "a day at S&F" Watson
>>
>> On 3/26/2012 4:51 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson<Tim@myrv10.com>
>>>
>>> Hi all, If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
>>> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc
>>>
>>> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in the comment
>>> blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a 1 line field so it looked
>>> too small. Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
On 3/26/2012 5:36 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote:
> I know it's been discussed a bunch already, but when my Foreflight subscription
runs out I'll be looking at alternatives. Seems like a lot of folks prefer
Wingx, any updated thoughts?
>
I was looking for a replacement for my aging Garmin 295 handheld,
and WingX easily won the competition with Foreflight for the in-flight
stuff. I think Foreflight has better pre-flight planning, but doesn't
really compare for the in-flight needs.
WingX has a 30 day free trial. You may consider giving it a try
before your Foreflight subscription runs out to see how you like it.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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| Subject: | Re: Anybody here going to S&F? |
Snf 2013 yes. Osh 2012 yes.
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Wayne Gillispie, A&P 05/93 PP 10/08
40983SB 12/1/2009-12/1/2011
N715WD 382nd Flying. TT= 37
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Digital Charts survey |
Note that the survey link Tim sent includes a session ID (SID) string. It
is possible, depending on how this is set up, that anyone who follows Tim's
link and fills out the survey simply overwrites the previous person's data.
To make sure your answers count, search your inbox for an email from AOPA
titled "AOPA Digital Chart Use Survey". That will have a personalized and
unique link just for you to use.
Chris
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> If you have time to take AOPA's survey, they're gathering
> ammo in the fight against digital chart fees. Go here:
>
>
> http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?**SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc<http://aopa.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_b7yMajDKsRqAmEc>
>
> It took me about 5 minutes. I added some comments in
> the comment blank too. Good thing it wraps...it's a
> 1 line field so it looked too small.
> Tim
>
>
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