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1. 08:28 AM - Re: Turboprop RV10 (johngoodman)
2. 09:50 AM - Aircraft Spruce Story Contest ()
3. 05:50 PM - Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Sean Stephens)
4. 06:18 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Les Kearney)
5. 07:03 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (bill.peyton)
6. 07:18 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Bob Leffler)
7. 07:27 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Bob Leffler)
8. 09:01 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Les Kearney)
9. 09:16 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Sean Stephens)
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| Subject: | Re: Turboprop RV10 |
I didn't see it at SNF, but I'm surprised at the weight - only 128 pounds before
accessories. A 17 to 1 gear reduction, so the gearbox should be included in
the 128 pounds.
John
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| Subject: | Aircraft Spruce Story Contest |
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/kits/0aircraftstories.html
Rv-10 dedication story
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| Subject: | Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed
off the entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch
with 3/8 inch bulb seals he used.
I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I
do, there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually
touch and seal against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and
the door would be too large.
His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a
difference there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full
radius on the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb?
Thanks,
-Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel)
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
Hi Sean
There is a very big difference - I believe it is the colour.
Cheers
Les
Ps. I was told by someone who knows that there really isn't any difference.
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-04-09, at 6:48 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the
entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch
bulb seals he used.
>
> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do,
there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal
against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be too
large.
>
> His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference
there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on the
gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
Sean,
Part of installing the seal is to build up the area on both sides of the old gutter
rail. Once you cut it flat it needs to be extended out and thickened both
on the inside and the out. Ultimately, the seal will be about 50% compressed
when you are complete. Here is how my seal fits.
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
There are differences, but they arent significant. The pink tops are slightly
better finished. Only important if you aren't using a headliner.
There appears to be two different pink top molds, as well as the green mold, that
have the step up behind the front seat line in different places. it makes
delivering an after market overhead more difficult.
I'm not aware of any differences around the door gutter.
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Sean
>
> There is a very big difference - I believe it is the colour.
>
> Cheers
>
> Les
>
> Ps. I was told by someone who knows that there really isn't any difference.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 2012-04-09, at 6:48 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the
entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch
bulb seals he used.
>>
>> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do,
there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal
against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be
too large.
>>
>> His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference
there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on
the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
Be careful on ordering the trim. If I remember Les's doc, the picture showed a
version of the seal with the barb on the exterior. You'll want the version that
has the barb on the inside of the door frame. You don't want the barb to add
thickness to the seal into between the free and the door.
Go to Ivan Kristense's phanfare.com photo site. In the middle o f his door photos,
there is a video showing in detail how to trim the door gutter.
I cut off the full radius and my doors are very tight fitting with the seals on.
I have a pink top.
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 9, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the
entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch
bulb seals he used.
>
> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do,
there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal
against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be too
large.
>
> His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference
there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on the
gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
Hi Again
Bob is right about my seals. That being said, I did make mine work. I am not sure
if the barb orientation makes a significant difference but would probably go
with the inside barb if I was doing things again.
Cheers
Les
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-04-09, at 8:27 PM, Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
> Be careful on ordering the trim. If I remember Les's doc, the picture showed
a version of the seal with the barb on the exterior. You'll want the version
that has the barb on the inside of the door frame. You don't want the barb to
add thickness to the seal into between the free and the door.
>
> Go to Ivan Kristense's phanfare.com photo site. In the middle o f his door
photos, there is a video showing in detail how to trim the door gutter.
>
> I cut off the full radius and my doors are very tight fitting with the seals
on. I have a pink top.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Sean Stephens <sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the
entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch
bulb seals he used.
>>
>> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do,
there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal
against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be
too large.
>>
>> His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference
there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on
the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals |
Ivan's pictures were a big help. After looking at them and the video it
seems like the following rough steps can be taken.
- Once the doors are trimmed to fit, mark the interior edge of the
gutter for a consistent gap (less than 3/8 for the bulb)
- Sand down the radius to marks on interior edge of gutter and trim/sand
gutter width to dimensions at various locations given by Ivan
- Fill/sand to achieve necessary gutter thickness of 1/4 inch for
attaching seal
Thanks for pointing me to Ivan's pictures.
-Sean
On 4/9/12 9:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler<rv@thelefflers.com>
>
> Be careful on ordering the trim. If I remember Les's doc, the picture showed
a version of the seal with the barb on the exterior. You'll want the version
that has the barb on the inside of the door frame. You don't want the barb to
add thickness to the seal into between the free and the door.
>
> Go to Ivan Kristense's phanfare.com photo site. In the middle o f his door
photos, there is a video showing in detail how to trim the door gutter.
>
> I cut off the full radius and my doors are very tight fitting with the seals
on. I have a pink top.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 9, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Sean Stephens<sean@stephensville.com> wrote:
>
>> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens<sean@stephensville.com>
>>
>> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the
entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch
bulb seals he used.
>>
>> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do,
there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal
against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be
too large.
>>
>> His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference
there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on
the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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