---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/09/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:28 AM - Re: Turboprop RV10 (johngoodman) 2. 09:50 AM - Aircraft Spruce Story Contest () 3. 05:50 PM - Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Sean Stephens) 4. 06:18 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Les Kearney) 5. 07:03 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (bill.peyton) 6. 07:18 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Bob Leffler) 7. 07:27 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Bob Leffler) 8. 09:01 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Les Kearney) 9. 09:16 PM - Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals (Sean Stephens) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:48 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Turboprop RV10 From: "johngoodman" I didn't see it at SNF, but I'm surprised at the weight - only 128 pounds before accessories. A 17 to 1 gear reduction, so the gearbox should be included in the 128 pounds. John -------- #40572 Phase One complete and flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370370#370370 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:59 AM PST US From: Subject: RV10-List: Aircraft Spruce Story Contest http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/kits/0aircraftstories.html Rv-10 dedication story Adrian Moses 719AM Flying 167 hrs This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the desig nated recipient, please notify the sender immediately, and delete the origi nal and any copies. Any use of the message by you is prohibited. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:08 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: RV10-List: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch bulb seals he used. I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do, there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be too large. His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb? Thanks, -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:07 PM PST US From: Les Kearney Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals Hi Sean There is a very big difference - I believe it is the colour. Cheers Les Ps. I was told by someone who knows that there really isn't any difference. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-04-09, at 6:48 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch bulb seals he used. > > I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do, there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be too large. > > His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb? > > Thanks, > > -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel) > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals From: "bill.peyton" Sean, Part of installing the seal is to build up the area on both sides of the old gutter rail. Once you cut it flat it needs to be extended out and thickened both on the inside and the out. Ultimately, the seal will be about 50% compressed when you are complete. Here is how my seal fits. -------- Bill WA0SYV Aviation Partners, LLC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370413#370413 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1396_198.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals From: Bob Leffler There are differences, but they arent significant. The pink tops are slightly better finished. Only important if you aren't using a headliner. There appears to be two different pink top molds, as well as the green mold, that have the step up behind the front seat line in different places. it makes delivering an after market overhead more difficult. I'm not aware of any differences around the door gutter. Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Les Kearney wrote: > > Hi Sean > > There is a very big difference - I believe it is the colour. > > Cheers > > Les > > Ps. I was told by someone who knows that there really isn't any difference. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-04-09, at 6:48 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > >> >> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch bulb seals he used. >> >> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do, there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be too large. >> >> His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel) >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals From: Bob Leffler Be careful on ordering the trim. If I remember Les's doc, the picture showed a version of the seal with the barb on the exterior. You'll want the version that has the barb on the inside of the door frame. You don't want the barb to add thickness to the seal into between the free and the door. Go to Ivan Kristense's phanfare.com photo site. In the middle o f his door photos, there is a video showing in detail how to trim the door gutter. I cut off the full radius and my doors are very tight fitting with the seals on. I have a pink top. Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > > I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch bulb seals he used. > > I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do, there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be too large. > > His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb? > > Thanks, > > -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel) > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:19 PM PST US From: Les Kearney Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals Hi Again Bob is right about my seals. That being said, I did make mine work. I am not sure if the barb orientation makes a significant difference but would probably go with the inside barb if I was doing things again. Cheers Les Cheers Les Sent from my iPhone On 2012-04-09, at 8:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > > Be careful on ordering the trim. If I remember Les's doc, the picture showed a version of the seal with the barb on the exterior. You'll want the version that has the barb on the inside of the door frame. You don't want the barb to add thickness to the seal into between the free and the door. > > Go to Ivan Kristense's phanfare.com photo site. In the middle o f his door photos, there is a video showing in detail how to trim the door gutter. > > I cut off the full radius and my doors are very tight fitting with the seals on. I have a pink top. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > >> >> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch bulb seals he used. >> >> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do, there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be too large. >> >> His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel) >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:17 PM PST US From: Sean Stephens Subject: Re: RV10-List: Door Gutter and McMaster Seals Ivan's pictures were a big help. After looking at them and the video it seems like the following rough steps can be taken. - Once the doors are trimmed to fit, mark the interior edge of the gutter for a consistent gap (less than 3/8 for the bulb) - Sand down the radius to marks on interior edge of gutter and trim/sand gutter width to dimensions at various locations given by Ivan - Fill/sand to achieve necessary gutter thickness of 1/4 inch for attaching seal Thanks for pointing me to Ivan's pictures. -Sean On 4/9/12 9:27 PM, Bob Leffler wrote: > --> RV10-List message posted by: Bob Leffler > > Be careful on ordering the trim. If I remember Les's doc, the picture showed a version of the seal with the barb on the exterior. You'll want the version that has the barb on the inside of the door frame. You don't want the barb to add thickness to the seal into between the free and the door. > > Go to Ivan Kristense's phanfare.com photo site. In the middle o f his door photos, there is a video showing in detail how to trim the door gutter. > > I cut off the full radius and my doors are very tight fitting with the seals on. I have a pink top. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 9, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Sean Stephens wrote: > >> --> RV10-List message posted by: Sean Stephens >> >> I've read Les' document on using McMaster Carr door seals. He trimmed off the entire radius on the door gutter. I ordered the same 1/4 inch with 3/8 inch bulb seals he used. >> >> I have yet to trim off the full radius as he did, but it seems that if I do, there will me no way the 3/8 inch bulb will be enough to actually touch and seal against the door. Seems the gap between the gutter and the door would be too large. >> >> His doc showed the older green canopy instead of the pink. Is there a difference there? Did others using the McMaster seals trim off the full radius on the gutter and have it work with the 3/8 inch bulb? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Sean #40303 (very dim light at the end of the tunnel) >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.